Does BBCOR Bat Rolling Work? We Measure Pre and Post BBCOR Exit Velocity
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We find that bat compression does work, at least a little bit. However, the results in our test were not overwhelming different. This might change if we tried to test a USA bat or a USSSA bat. We also might find more success using a fastpitch of softball bat. - Sport
It might be illegal but no ump would ever know
Great video guys. Very informative and good watching. I feel bad that your son had to read some of these distasteful comments. Please share with him that we appreciate his dedication and love his attitude towards baseball. Also, he should know that the people that make these negative comments are compensating for something lacking within themselves. Thanks.
I don't use rolled bats, but I don't think it is illegal because you're just simulating hits, and it has a similar effect to if you were using it in the game. To me, it is just speeding up the process of breaking in a bat.
Facts this does nothing for other bats besides bbcor they have a breaking in period
I am a professional bat roller. I have done it for 11 years now. It really does make a difference.
Rolling is like hitting with your bat for a long time. It just speeds up the “break in” process.
Geez, all I used to get better was an old broomstick handle and blue racquet ball or tennis ball. A couple thousand games on a one way street in Canarsie or any flat land we could find in upstate NY.
Rolling is just an accelerated break in process. I don't roll my kids bats but I don't have a problem with it. I do so much batting practice with my boys , their bats get broken in relatively quick.
Hey guys, I've got a question about rolling. I highly my son a 2018 LS SELECT 718 USA bay last season. It's the Alloy barrel. My question is, in your opinion would rolling it help with exit velocity and help remove dead spots? Thanks in advance. Rob B.
It takes much more than just rolling or shaving a bat. Now if you match good approach and proper mechanics with altering the bat, then yes, you will see an advantage.
Do this same Rapsodo test with the Ghost X you shaved vs normal. There, I think you'll see a considerable difference.
Are you by chance selling that 33 axe Avenge ?
Imagine swinging a 3 ounce bat. 33 drop 30 holy cow
x nathan x I was like did I hear that right? 😂
Same
That's the bat I swing
You would have no power
What app is being used on the IPad for the Velocity?!?!?!
0:9 I've never heard of a 33 inch bat that's -30 wow thsts amazing!!!
What’s that app and tracker thing called, I’m really interested
Do a 2019 review Avenge vs Hybrid
Where did you get your bat roll Machine
Rolling the bat is just bringing your bat up to the level of other players’ bats that have already been broken in, therefore not putting you at an advantage.
Atleast that is the argument that people make who are okay with rolling bats. We agree. But, we also think its likely illegal. I wish leagues were more clear about it being legal or illegal.
Rolling is NOT illegal it’s just breaking the bat in faster.
Brent Baker it is illegal, almost all leagues consider it illegal... So don’t be a bitch and just don’t do it. (Not to say you specifically are a bitch)
Maybe for BBCOR but I completely disagree with rolling non BBCOR bats because it causes them to have insane pop.
Says the man who rolls his sons bat😁😁😁😭😭
Need these numbers on the rolled bat.
Also axe does advertise that it increases swing speed by 4 mph so they data might be correct
Wat do u do with all the bats u guys dont game use?
does rolling it make it have more pop ?
What is the app that u use at 1:15
Do a video with shaving the bat please
Dang it’s 3 oz never seen a 3 oz bat
I'm a lil out of the loop on the new bat mechanics and what have you. I used to roll softball bats back in the days. I understand that it's illegal to do. But realistically, should it be? Rolling is mimicking hundreds of hits all over the bat. So if you say rolling is illegal, your essentially saying taking a bat out and hitting BP with it to break it in is illegal too, because they both are, mechanically, the same thing. And to the ppl that say it's illegal altering the bat, what did it change? No, its not altering the bat, everything about the bat is still the same. Shaving is altering a bat.
I am sure it helped give it more pop, but also maybe he was warmed up more too could have only helped. Nice swing though. Sort of like Darren Ernstad (former good Angels hitter).
You can hit it 500 times or roll it same effect diff effort. Prove to me that it’s rolled and it’s not from swings. So i wash my bat after every hitting session. That’s why it’s still clean/new looking after 500 hits. Plus i square the ball up which doesn’t leave scuff marks on the bat like mishits and foul balls.
David Robinson it's the hitter that makes the difference. As a coach, I am not concerned about rolled bats. A rolled bat does not make a slap hitter dangerous. A hitter is a hitter. An out is an out. Rolled bat or not. Shaving a bat had a dramatic difference and can give a plus hitter even more pop. But even a shaved bat in the hands of an out still equals an out.
Adam O'Neal i agreed with you until the last sentence.
Talks about how the bat is designed to be hit on the black side not the gold, continues to video the kid not hitting on the proper side. Kid needs mad work on his swing.
Maybe watch it slower?
Hi, I am wondering if there are different ways of rolling bats because this is illegal in my league. Thanks!!
Just get a tee and some baseballs. Hit it 500 times in different spots.
I know people who hit a light pole with a towel on it.
Baseballstar 5 just hit with the bat
Nice tech
Yes
Nice...
33 drop 30????
168 I’m dead haha wow 😂 that not over at my field witch is small
Do you keep all the bats you get, or are they just sent to you to try out
Ayee my home Truman
I can see where you would argue that mechanical force has been added to the bat thus making it illegal. However it's merely compressing the barrel duplicating the same force as hitting a ball. If you hit enough balls you'd have similar results. You could argue that a mild roll, and I don't even know if there is such a thing, would more evenly break in the bat improving durability.
In the end though the kid who has his bat rolled probably isn't putting in the work and it doesn't matter how hot a bat is that doesn't make clean contact.
Fair enough John. In the coming days we will test this idea that hitting balls enough is akin to rolling it. We think you are right, but have never seen anyone actually prove as much. Should be fun.
The modern bats are designed to last maybe 2 season. The composite material they are made from will cause the bat to break down the more it is used. It will become "hotter" the more hits it has on it. Rolling to to break it in faster shortens the life of the bat. Additionally, rolling puts pressure on the bat that hitting a ball doesn't and will make the walls thinner and start to crack. When hat happens, the bat is illegal.
So many keyboard warriors out there bad mouthing the kid, is his swing perfect no but hes working on it as every kid his age is. Atleast he is doing something instead of playing video games or online talking crap about other people.
33-30????
How old is that kid?
Not illegal it’s almost like working in gloves and adding oil
Where u get the roller
ebay.
Dang how much it cost I wanna do a test like dis
fastest bat speed ever
"Drop 30" lol
out here swingin’ a wiffle ball bat
I laughed at that too.
Are you sponsored
That is a nice fucking bat mannnnnn. That thing is pretty. Smh
Rolling is not illegal that just breaks the bat in a lot quicker
No modifications of bats allowed
This isn't modification
Well if you ain't cheating you ain't trying! LOL!
Rolling not cheating just speeding up the break in process
willam tell Ne and my dad say that all the time
How does anyone say these are real bats
33 -30
Rolling the bat is NOT illegal it is just breaking in the bat faster
I my opinion Rolling a bat is a faster way to break in your bat and nit illegal
I don’t work my bats in I get mine rolled to lol
where can i get a bat rolled
Personally, I don’t believe rolling a bat should be considered “illegal” as most have already said, it’s simply speeding up the break in process.
When we buy new bats, I take them to a cage with a tee and hit between 200 - 300 balls before my son ever takes the first swing. I would LOVE to have a rolling machine to simply save time.
33 drop 30, haha lmao u mean drop 3
I look at bat rolling and PEDs with a very similar perspective. Not to the same degree of seriousness but why take a shortcut in the bat breaking in process. Because that's what it is, a shortcut to get to a hot bat. If you just work on your swing or your kids swing for those 200-300 swings to break in the bat there would be no reason to even consider rolling a bat because they would be that much better. It takes time to get bats hot just like it takes time to get ripped. But that's apart of the game.
I don't think rolling is that big of deal as compared to shaving. It just speeds it up. And you can see in the data, it doesn't make that big of a deal.
rolling is not illegal now shaving is illegal
And little dudes not hitting with the black side
I think the bat is illegal but i dont think that its that big of a deal
yall talking about rolling is illegal,this dude on my team rolled,shaved and had the inner rings removed of his bat..
Did he do it cuz he was cheeks with a regular bat
Give this kid a 32
Doesn't matter if there's real improvement or not, if you rolled it, it's illegal. But who's going to tell on you?
Rolling is not illegal. Shaving is illegal
2002champ13 rolling is also illegal. It carries with it the same penalties as shaving a bat.
It depends on the league you idiot.
Hardcore Gamer only leagues that have sanctions that no one recognizes. Most leagues prohibit any modification to a bat.
100% agree. The rule of thumb is, are you adding or subtracting anything from the bat? If the answer is no, the process should be legal. Thus, shaving bats is 100% illegal but rolling is a more efficient break in of the bat. No different than trying to take a lot of BP with a new bat prior to game use.
Ever read a rule book? Anything that changes the dynamics of a bat is illegal. I've been an umpire and tournament director for over 50 years. Guarantee that if I catch you rolling a bat, you will be disbarred from USSSA, and probably for all the other associations out there.
JOE TROUT you don't know what you are talking about. You DO shave composite bats. The best results you get is from shaving composite bats.
Weight**
168😂😂
Looks like axe bat copied the Quattro design and added their handle
All these bats and this nice equipment would be nice for someone that could hit
So that leaves you out of the mix.
I don’t get it
Can you give me a bat
Even if it is illegal nobody would know in a game
Fourth
Rolling is illegal in high school Leagues. But i know someone who did it anyway.
What about bat shaving
We can be sure that is very illegal. We'll get a shaved bat at some point here and do the same test. Will be interesting to see how well that does in comparison.
2:19 u tell me what’s wrong here
someone tell the kid to stop forcing his elbow come up when he swings it’s just making his swing slower and longer
We told him. And his response to you was to get a life by spending more time in the cage and less time watching other kids who are better than you in the cage.
Bat Digest he’s definitely not better than me, i spend almost an hour and half in the cage taking 200 swings a day. if he doesn’t want to get better than don’t take my advice then 😂 lame ass fuckin response
Bat Digest if he wants to step in the box against me i’d gladly blow 3 fastballs past him and watch him cry bag to the dugout
Bat Digest 66 mph exit velo off of a machine? get the kid in the weight room while you’re at it.
@@batdigest this is the kinda bullshit i hate. Its called CONSTRUCTIVE CRITICISM. The kid was right. Elbow should not come up that high. My coach just retired after 28 years so according to you and your son he is wrong? Just take the criticism or just stay quiet.
Rolling isn't illegal shaving a bat is.
The only one D Most ppl dont understand why to roll a bat . Rolling is not illegal . All you doing is doing a pre break-in
@@christophervasquez2446 , absolutely it's like going to the batting cage and hitting 1000 balls. People talk out of their butt
#legal
Stop rolling your hands before you swing. You need to load up on your back leg
You need to get in the cage and do some hitting instead of watching CZcams videos. :)
Need a better hitter hit for is terrible and no power
Hahaha. Thanks coach!
Lol it is not illegal all you are doing is breaking it in
First
-30
No
Drop 30? That doesn’t sound right
Ha. :) Drop 3 ....
*Why isn't that kid wearing a helmet?* 😫
And now....shaved.
True, True. Soon, we'll do this one too.
You know I like putting you to work! Like you have nothing better to do! LOL Keep up the great work. You know I appreciate your efforts.
delcy28 shaved and heat rolled dang
nah nobody knows you roll it
Its illegal because it’s non USA approved
Travel ball still uses u-trip bats for the most part. At least here in so cal.
Noah Goscinski not USA approved? Its a BBCOR bat...what do USA standards have to do with BBCOR..either roll the bat or hit a baseball 1000x...you decide
False. there is no USSSA BBCOR or USA BBCOR difference. It it's BBCOR it's BBCOR, which is approved for all High School and College level play. web.usssa.com/usssa/usssa-general/BaseballBatMarks.pdf
Chris C USA Bats are to perform like wood.
not only illegal.... it a criminal and jail time if someone gets hurt
Ray B it’s not illegal
ok see the rule below in the NFHS Rule book: ART 2- 3 SECTION 3 BATS, BALLS AND GLOVES
ART. 1 . . . The ball shall be a sphere formed by yarn wound around a small core of cork,
rubber or similar material and covered with two strips of white horsehide or two strips of white
cowhide tightly stitched together. It shall be 5 to 5 ¼ ounces in weight and have a circumference
of 9 to 9 ¼ inches. The Coefficient of Restitution (COR) of baseballs shall not exceed .555. A
minimum of three umpire-approved baseballs shall be provided to start the game. Unless
otherwise mutually agreed upon, the home team has this responsibility. No less than two
baseballs shall be used to complete a game.
The NFHS Authenticating Mark is required on all balls
that will be used in high school competition.
A current list of NFHS authenticated products can be
found on the Web site: www.nfhs.org.
ART. 2 . . . The bat shall have the following characteristics and components.
a. Each legal wood, aluminum or composite bat shall:
1. Be one piece, multi-pieces and permanently assembled, or two pieces with
interchangeable barrel construction.
2. Not have exposed rivets, pins, rough or sharp edges or any form of exterior
fastener that would present a hazard.
3. Be free of rattles, dents, burrs, cracks and sharp edges. Bats that are broken,
altered or that deface the ball are illegal. Materials inside the bat or
treatments/devices used to alter the bat specifications and/or enhance performance
are prohibited and render the bat illegal.
b. Each legal wood, aluminum or composite bat shall have the following components:
1. Knob. The bat knob shall protrude from the handle. The knob may be molded,
lathed, welded or permanently fastened. Devices, attachments or wrappings are
permitted except those that cause the knob to become flush with the handle. A
one-piece rubber knob and bat grip combination is illegal.
2. Handle. The bat handle is the area of the bat that begins at, but does not include
the knob and ends where the taper begins.
3. Barrel. The barrel is the area intended for contact with the pitch. The barrel
shall be round, cylindrically symmetric and smooth. The barrel may be aluminum,
SOURCE : alyb.org/blog/wp-content/uploads/2017/01/2017-Vermilion-County-Pony-League-Regulations.pdf
ART 2-D)_NOTE: The NFHS has been advised that certain manufacturers consider alteration,
modification and "doctoring" of their bats to be unlawful and subject to civil and, under certain
circumstances, criminal action
Not rolling fool! Shaving
It is illegal but if they ask say it’s not and you can use it 😂
Quit wasting money on all these gimmicks and buy that kid some hitting lessons to fix his atrocious swing.
It’s illegal
Rolled wrong
False.
Can’t hit for shit
Next video don’t put a rec ball player in the cage
Next time you watch a CZcams video get your mom's permission.
Completely illegal