Just for future reference regarding the fuse box under the headlight. There is access and egress routes for cables, if you remove the fuse board itself which just unclips you will see the route down the bottom, no need for drilling and plenty of space for additional cables. I found this out recently when adding some DRLs.
I'm afraid I cheated and is a perk of buying a new van.... If you specify "no bulkhead" as a no cost option you get all the trim pre installed. (Also, single seat is a no cost option, and passenger airbags are simple). Saves c. £1k in bits + hassle over a 2nd hand van with double seats and bulkhead. There is a company, coastalmotorhomes.co.uk/body-exhaust/trim-panels.html who sell the parts but you need quite a few and is quite expensive as you can see.
Hi Graham, thats the converts socket that is an option so may not be on all vans. I can take no credit for the info - look at MrG's blog here - has all you need to know (and all I used to set it up) www.misterg.org.uk/camper-converters-socket.html
@@Ryan_DYD my van is the Peugeot 2018 blue, its got the same as yours, I used the Sargent 155 unit to power the van, I need a direct live from the van to the Sargent, that would make it so easy to do from there, thanks graham
Hi buddy can you recall when fitting the instructions tell you to cut the blue wire pin 13 on the multi plug to the big relay, it seems a bit strange to me so I’m not cutting that until I speak to pf jones… I’ve picked up the 12v from the battery itself under the van and into the battery box.
Hi. Getting power was my challenge! I did have to snip a wire going into a box in the rear corner pillar. That box, I believe, is the reversing sensor controller. So that when you go into reverse with a trailer on it doesn't beep. I did what it said, and it all works.....! If you don't do it, I'd expect it all to work, but beep when you reverse a trailer. (of course, my kit may've been different to yours, but thats what mine did)
Nope. The interface board with the kit (dedicated) connects and thats it. Software only needed for complex beasts, like cars with ESP to deal with trailers, or self levelling suspension. This just interfaces to work the lights and the van is otherwise unaware.
Hi. I installed 7 pin, but the 13 pin is similar and just drops in - may need a beefier +12v feed but nothing complex. (My trailer is a simple 7 pin thing and no need for more). I did install their 13 pin kit on a previous van, and it simply dropped in and installed the same way. Check out PFJones website, they have the manuals there for the dedicated kit, and check the part numbers. Search their store on ebay as they may sell the same kits cheaper on ebay (eg boxer kit XXXX may be cheaper than ducato kit XXXX even though they are the same and same part number). Good luck
@@paulchambers5029 No worries. Easy job *apart* from getting a +12v feed (which you need regardless of method). But the kits are faultless and removable if issues. 100000x better than snipping/joining. Good luck
@@paulchambers5029 I don't know. It may confuse the canbus bulb failure system. I really didn't know. I did consider the same as my batteries are at the rear. But in the end used the live feed in the converters socket. If you are charging off the engine you could use the same source....?
just bought an l3h2 ducato 70plate for conversion. fitted rear cameras and now looking at a towbar. i piggybacked the feed via the dashboard fusebox would that have been easier than fitting via the battery isolator?
I didn't see a way of getting a cable into the cab area easily, so if you managed it - good on you! It beat me. I needed to use the converters socket for Battery-to-battery system, D+ signal for step, dashcam (+12v & D+) - so I was going to wire in there any (see lh3.googleusercontent.com/pw/ACtC-3eNznEslKenzx8n0T7G4rZe6hv-6U0nI0flDgkJ1qgX5qevdGyMyAwrs0h8K0LuuY7l11ZUSBOmhbeWe87uPv9S92igzO_uTJedeLkW5cizNZa7-ra9pmNMSK3-PfwDcCfTatTiA82beXsrPiIQBu4QiQ=w493-h657-no?authuser=0 ). So using it for towbar wasn't any hassle. (Its on the live side of the isolator - the isolator is just for link to battery-to-battery system)
@@Ryan_DYD I followed the lights wiring loom along the top channel drivers side and the down the door frame and under the step then up the inside of the door. if that makes sense. now you got me looking at air suspension. 👍
Yes I understand what you did now - hope your comment will help someone else without converters socket! I went roughly the same route but stopped early. Re air suspension - the kit I bought is really good and simple to fit - depending on where you want the gauges. Yesterday first drive in a month with more weight in now, and the van handled really well and no suspension noise at all. Bargain for the price compared to some. (of course, if you want a cleverer system you may want a different kit, but I don't). Do it before the rubber helper nut rusts :)
Hi Again, may i ask? in the end when you need to connect the wires to the bonnet fuse box to get power... Why didn't you connect them to the battery instead of the pillar?
Could not find an easy route to the battery without drilling battery box etc. The 12v at the converters socket, that I was going to use anyway, was easy access. The route to the engine fuse box was a lot more work. To be honest, it was the least impact route - I didn't want to drill/damage/touch anything on a new van
Hi Ryan, its now time to think about our bikes and install a towbar in our 2021 boxer. PFJones have 6 towbars for the boxer 2021: Westfalia, Brink, PCT, Witter, PFJones, and Oris. which one is yours Ryan?
We have the bikes inside :) Tow bar part number: 481900 - Brink - and wiring kit 19500565PF - check ebay (from pfjones) as they can be cheaper on there. Also pfj sometimes participate on the ebay 20% off deals. (Hence I bought the towbar and electrics 6+ mths before I bought the van!)
hi ryan ive nearly done the towbar wiring on my ducato the only concern i have is connecting to number 6 pin on the senser module plug , when you cut the wire for yours did you connect the loom wire to the plug , were you able to plug the new wire in or did you solder , i rang pf jones and didn,t get much joy, hope you can advise cheers john
I really can't remember? I remember snipping near the reverse sensor box - did you have to connect a wire to that? If so I *vaguely* remember, and its is what I'd do today, is use a Wago connector which I love and keep spares!
hi ryan i followed your towbar install, and learnt a lot from you. however i cocked up on the electrics i just bought a relay for canbus electrics wired it up . great stuff it worked ok with sensors. soon as i put my towbar bike rack on the sensors just beeped continuous and brought a warning light up on dashboard . so now i think yours is wired to the sensor wiring with the correct wiring kit. i know ive made a mistake , but some people may want to tow a car so the sensors automatically switch off , is this the case with yours cheers john
Hi. Yeah, the dedicated kit (c. £100) is weeeeell worth it! Plug n play and just works. Links with the reversing sensors happily and just works as you'd expect and no beeping when something connected. Also deals with foglights so you don't get "bright" reflections. I'd not want to snip and use relay kits - these vans are sensitive enough.
@@jessestrum may be too late but check eBay as they seem on there too and I bought the boxer version same part number cheaper than the fiat and cheaper than their main page. Think I got an eBay 20% code too! I did have tow bar in loft for months before I bought the van lol
thanks ryan i looked all over on ebay , ended up having to pay £140 very painfull but dont need a dealers code , and it will switch the sensors of when my bike rack is on@@Ryan_DYD
Yeah, agree. But hey - I'm not nor do I profess to be a youtube expert! The background music is much more muted in future videos. Hope the info is useful anyway, good luck with your install
Just for future reference regarding the fuse box under the headlight. There is access and egress routes for cables, if you remove the fuse board itself which just unclips you will see the route down the bottom, no need for drilling and plenty of space for additional cables. I found this out recently when adding some DRLs.
Thanks, I got scared so didn't take it further! I've pinned this comment for any future readers - thanks
Thanks so much, I have ordered a kit and your video makes it so much clearer and saves me poking about for ages.
Glad I could help!
Highly appreciate you taking the time to make this video.
No worries, hope it helped! I learned a lot from others snippets so happy to share
Once again a great video thanks
Thanks. First job on the van, could've gone better :)
Hi Ryan, may I ask, you removed the bulkhead but the void space around is now covered, where did you buy that bulkhead around cover?
I'm afraid I cheated and is a perk of buying a new van.... If you specify "no bulkhead" as a no cost option you get all the trim pre installed. (Also, single seat is a no cost option, and passenger airbags are simple). Saves c. £1k in bits + hassle over a 2nd hand van with double seats and bulkhead. There is a company, coastalmotorhomes.co.uk/body-exhaust/trim-panels.html who sell the parts but you need quite a few and is quite expensive as you can see.
behind the drivers seat where you took power from, where do you get the plug that plugs straight in, thanks graham
Hi Graham, thats the converts socket that is an option so may not be on all vans. I can take no credit for the info - look at MrG's blog here - has all you need to know (and all I used to set it up) www.misterg.org.uk/camper-converters-socket.html
@@Ryan_DYD my van is the Peugeot 2018 blue, its got the same as yours, I used the Sargent 155 unit to power the van, I need a direct live from the van to the Sargent, that would make it so easy to do from there,
thanks
graham
Hi buddy can you recall when fitting the instructions tell you to cut the blue wire pin 13 on the multi plug to the big relay, it seems a bit strange to me so I’m not cutting that until I speak to pf jones… I’ve picked up the 12v from the battery itself under the van and into the battery box.
Hi. Getting power was my challenge! I did have to snip a wire going into a box in the rear corner pillar. That box, I believe, is the reversing sensor controller. So that when you go into reverse with a trailer on it doesn't beep. I did what it said, and it all works.....! If you don't do it, I'd expect it all to work, but beep when you reverse a trailer.
(of course, my kit may've been different to yours, but thats what mine did)
Did you need to program the software or anything like that to finish the installation?
Nope. The interface board with the kit (dedicated) connects and thats it. Software only needed for complex beasts, like cars with ESP to deal with trailers, or self levelling suspension. This just interfaces to work the lights and the van is otherwise unaware.
Great video, very useful info. May I ask was the wiring you were installing for a 7 pin or 13 pin electrics? Thanks.
Hi. I installed 7 pin, but the 13 pin is similar and just drops in - may need a beefier +12v feed but nothing complex. (My trailer is a simple 7 pin thing and no need for more). I did install their 13 pin kit on a previous van, and it simply dropped in and installed the same way. Check out PFJones website, they have the manuals there for the dedicated kit, and check the part numbers. Search their store on ebay as they may sell the same kits cheaper on ebay (eg boxer kit XXXX may be cheaper than ducato kit XXXX even though they are the same and same part number). Good luck
@@Ryan_DYD thanks for the extra info.
@@paulchambers5029 No worries. Easy job *apart* from getting a +12v feed (which you need regardless of method). But the kits are faultless and removable if issues. 100000x better than snipping/joining. Good luck
@@Ryan_DYD I was wondering if the live feed could come from the leisure battery as it’s right at the back of the van?,
@@paulchambers5029 I don't know. It may confuse the canbus bulb failure system. I really didn't know. I did consider the same as my batteries are at the rear. But in the end used the live feed in the converters socket. If you are charging off the engine you could use the same source....?
just bought an l3h2 ducato 70plate for conversion. fitted rear cameras and now looking at a towbar. i piggybacked the feed via the dashboard fusebox would that have been easier than fitting via the battery isolator?
I didn't see a way of getting a cable into the cab area easily, so if you managed it - good on you! It beat me. I needed to use the converters socket for Battery-to-battery system, D+ signal for step, dashcam (+12v & D+) - so I was going to wire in there any (see lh3.googleusercontent.com/pw/ACtC-3eNznEslKenzx8n0T7G4rZe6hv-6U0nI0flDgkJ1qgX5qevdGyMyAwrs0h8K0LuuY7l11ZUSBOmhbeWe87uPv9S92igzO_uTJedeLkW5cizNZa7-ra9pmNMSK3-PfwDcCfTatTiA82beXsrPiIQBu4QiQ=w493-h657-no?authuser=0 ). So using it for towbar wasn't any hassle. (Its on the live side of the isolator - the isolator is just for link to battery-to-battery system)
@@Ryan_DYD I followed the lights wiring loom along the top channel drivers side and the down the door frame and under the step then up the inside of the door. if that makes sense. now you got me looking at air suspension. 👍
Yes I understand what you did now - hope your comment will help someone else without converters socket! I went roughly the same route but stopped early. Re air suspension - the kit I bought is really good and simple to fit - depending on where you want the gauges. Yesterday first drive in a month with more weight in now, and the van handled really well and no suspension noise at all. Bargain for the price compared to some. (of course, if you want a cleverer system you may want a different kit, but I don't). Do it before the rubber helper nut rusts :)
Hi Again, may i ask? in the end when you need to connect the wires to the bonnet fuse box to get power... Why didn't you connect them to the battery instead of the pillar?
Could not find an easy route to the battery without drilling battery box etc. The 12v at the converters socket, that I was going to use anyway, was easy access. The route to the engine fuse box was a lot more work. To be honest, it was the least impact route - I didn't want to drill/damage/touch anything on a new van
Hi Ryan, its now time to think about our bikes and install a towbar in our 2021 boxer. PFJones have 6 towbars for the boxer 2021: Westfalia, Brink, PCT, Witter, PFJones, and Oris. which one is yours Ryan?
We have the bikes inside :) Tow bar part number: 481900 - Brink - and wiring kit 19500565PF - check ebay (from pfjones) as they can be cheaper on there. Also pfj sometimes participate on the ebay 20% off deals. (Hence I bought the towbar and electrics 6+ mths before I bought the van!)
hi when you fitted your towbar and electrics when carrying your bikes have you had any trouble with your reverse sensors hope you can help cheers john
hi ryan ive nearly done the towbar wiring on my ducato the only concern i have is connecting to number 6 pin on the senser module plug , when you cut the wire for yours did you connect the loom wire to the plug , were you able to plug the new wire in or did you solder , i rang pf jones and didn,t get much joy, hope you can advise cheers john
I really can't remember? I remember snipping near the reverse sensor box - did you have to connect a wire to that? If so I *vaguely* remember, and its is what I'd do today, is use a Wago connector which I love and keep spares!
thanks mate i did try to de- pin the plug, but i ended up soldering kind of you to reply@@Ryan_DYD
hi ryan i followed your towbar install, and learnt a lot from you. however i cocked up on the electrics i just bought a relay for canbus electrics wired it up . great stuff it worked ok with sensors. soon as i put my towbar bike rack on the sensors just beeped continuous and brought a warning light up on dashboard . so now i think yours is wired to the sensor wiring with the correct wiring kit. i know ive made a mistake , but some people may want to tow a car so the sensors automatically switch off , is this the case with yours cheers john
Hi. Yeah, the dedicated kit (c. £100) is weeeeell worth it! Plug n play and just works. Links with the reversing sensors happily and just works as you'd expect and no beeping when something connected. Also deals with foglights so you don't get "bright" reflections. I'd not want to snip and use relay kits - these vans are sensitive enough.
thanks mate,just ordered a kit from cf jones today @@Ryan_DYD
@@jessestrum may be too late but check eBay as they seem on there too and I bought the boxer version same part number cheaper than the fiat and cheaper than their main page. Think I got an eBay 20% code too! I did have tow bar in loft for months before I bought the van lol
thanks ryan i looked all over on ebay , ended up having to pay £140 very painfull but dont need a dealers code , and it will switch the sensors of when my bike rack is on@@Ryan_DYD
Don't you have to reprogram it I did on vw caddy
no. caddy is more car based. ducatto is commercial van. legislation is different for things like obd so maybe that's why.
Great video thank you but the music is so annoying and distracting.
Yeah, agree. But hey - I'm not nor do I profess to be a youtube expert! The background music is much more muted in future videos. Hope the info is useful anyway, good luck with your install