Hollow Knight - the Bug Who Became a GOD
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- čas přidán 1. 06. 2024
- You've played Hollow Knight, you've explored Hallownest, you know who Monomon is, right?
Well, that's what I thought until I dug a bit deeper and uncovered the story of one of the most epic bugs in Hallownest history.
(I swear the timeline video will follow shortly. Soon. Definitely.)
00:00 - Spoiler Warning
00:07 - When the player meets Monomon
01:32 - Canon Lore
02:16 - The Archive
03:15 - The King's Request
04:16 - The Defenders
04:50 - The Long Sleep
06:03 - The Rise
06:29 - The God Particles - Krátké a kreslené filmy
Thanks for the Monomon video I honestly didn’t even consider that Monomon created the ooma probably because I couldn’t decipher the lore tablets there
Honestly it only occurred to me when I really thought about the bubble god particles. That and the realization that the acid was piped to fog canyon FOR the Archives. Oh and also all the Jellyfish dream nail dialogue is focused on Monomon.
Glad you enjoyed it!
Yeah you earned my subscription with your 2 videos
i thought they were made to contain the infection, like the knight, but on smaller scale and explosive
As someone who knows the tip of the hollow knight iceberg, this helps so much lore wise for me. For me, a lot of characters are just there and idk what their part is- like the bug you buy eggs from, jiji and the snail shamans (despite the lore of how powerful they are) the mask guy in deepnest and the one that looks like baymax in kingdoms edge- the spider lady- this should be a whole series tbh
I'm really glad to hear that, that's exactly what I was hoping to do with these non-timeline videos.
I honestly feel like there are almost as many small stories in Hollow Knight as in a Souls game, they're just not nearly as directly told.
I'm hoping to get a good number of these Hallownest Stories done before Silksong releases, so keep an eye out for them!
@@errric_enniawlI promise!
Binge the entirety mossbags videos
@@starnorthstarnorth i have already theres still a few bugs he hasn't gone over yet- can't wait for Eric to make more tho I've been dying for as much lore as possible lol
It seems in HK the lore is very open minded to what's considered a god re: Godhome. But there are greater and lesser gods, i think. And creation eg motherhood is very high. In this theory, the way monomon had an objective in a dying world with her offspring reminds me of the white lady & the vessels.
You're absolutely right about the open definition of godhood. All it takes is for a lot of living things to be devoted to you.
When you consider the Fungal Wastes god particles, the definition gets even broader. There the particles convey that the shared mind of all the mushrooms is a god in and of itself. Cool stuff, honestly.
@@errric_enniawlyou're sore it seems, seems like you're finking about it too mach, not to rude.
But Godhome is different, it isn't that all those bosses you fight were or are gods. The Godseekers, abandoned by their old higher beings went on a quest to find more, they felt PK and went there, and probably because they weren't finding much, any slightly more powerful than average being was allowed in.
MORE MONOMON LOVE!! YESS!!
I love this. Not only does this video flesh out one of the most underrated characters, but it also helps explain the existence of the Ooma and the Uoma. Your videos are so well made for your size, and I'm so glad I found your channel.
Eagerly waiting for the Lore Timeline video, hats off to you!
So glad that the algorithm sent me here! Brilliantly produced and written video, and I'm happy to say you've gained a new sub. One thing I would say is that a lot of this seems like a bit of a stretch - I'm sure everything is very well thought-out, but it would be good to see/hear more of the evidence you have for the story and your thought process in deciphering it. Keep up the great work though! I've always thought that producing quality content from the very start is the way to grow as a creator, and I'm sure that you'll see the benefits of all the effort you clearly put in sometime soon.
Thanks! As soon as the first timeline episode is done I'm going to do a video where I explain the evidence and reasoning behind everything. I figured that stopping to explain things as I went would kinda detract from the tone, though I completely understand the skepticism.
Fwiw, the only thing in the video which is speculation is the timing of the construction of the archives. It could have also been started due to the infection, but this way made for a better story.
Wow this video was insanely captivating, well done 😳
Deserves more views tbh
Thank you! I'm hard at work on the next one, and I hope you'll enjoy that too.
Bro how does this guy not have more subs, he's epic
i agree
exactly
Before my long write-up, I'll say - your editing is great! The timestamps are a really nice addition too, as it helps mark where the canon stops and your theories begins; personally though, I'd make it even clearer, just so people don't get to lost on the storytelling.
Now, I, like a few other people here, don't really buy the "god particle" stuff, even having read some of your arguments. It's a bit too early to engage in a full discussion in regards to the subject, so I'll just leave some thoughts here.
The fungus area has spores in the air, the bubble area has bubbles in the air, the crystal area has crystal in the air, the void area has void in the air - it's so simple and straightforward that trying to tie into something much grander and more divine feels awkward. Even the white particles are easily explained as soul in the air, as per the description of the Deep Focus charm and their much greater concentration in the Soul Sanctum.
I think there's merit to your idea in the sense that higher beings may affect the particles of the areas they find themselves in, as the White Lady and Pale King probably either gather or release soul into their domains, explaining it's higher concentration there compared to, say, Forgotten Crossroads. My issue is with the idea that this is somehow true to ALL areas, as it feels like a very forced conclusion. The more absolute a statement is, the more likely it is to be wrong.
Despite all this doubting, I hope you'll still share the video explaing your arguments. Believe me when I say that I know that dreadful sensation of standing alone with your theory against a world that seemingly doesn't believe in it. Just be prepared to have your views challenged and to either agree to disagree or, better yet, improve your theory by adapting to and learning from other peoples' counter-arguments.
Fantastic comment!
I am going to address my reasoning for everything not explicitly canon in my next video, but I totally understand and welcome the skepticism.
Obviously from one lens anything not directly stated in canon is speculative, but not only is there a lot of fun to be had piecing things together, I personally believe that some of the direct lore is misleading, either intentionally or from someone repeating misinformation.
Either way I'm looking forward to hearing what the community has to say about my reasoning. If only I wasn't brand new to video editing and could move faster 😅
This is criminally underrated this is one of the most informative and well edited videos I have watched in the hollow knight community
I have been researching hk lore a lot and this topic never came to my mind ( including the god particles). this type of video is so unique and interesting I hadn't thought about how powerful monomon really is before would love to see more
What a lovely made video discussing one of my favorite characters in this game. Interesting observations, well made editing and overall pretty entertaining ✨ ;< you gained a new follower. I'll eagerly await that upcoming timeline exploration video!
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Beautifully done video! Can't wait for the next one to come out. ❤
These are genuinely some of the best hollow knight lore videos I’ve seen, and there are only two of them! I can’t believe you’re such a small channel
Great video! It's easy to understand, interesting to look at but not too many effects that give me a headache, and the sprites and speech bubbles are really fun :D
Questions:
- Why did you say that the King sent Isma and Ogrim to protect the Archives?
- Also, did you think that the jellyfish only exist in the Archive at first? And then spread because the infection started again? How, though? Did the jellyfish engage in asexual reproduction? Did the infection manifest jellyfish out of nowhere?
Thank you for reading, I'd love to hear your thoughts!
this is a really well made video.
your music choices enhance the tone and follows the flow of the video.
The thought bubble animations are well done I played them frame by frame and noticed that the burst animation starts behind the starting animation and seamlessly blends together.
your script writing is both informative and entertaining.
Is this channel your first experience in video making/editing?
That's so flattering! Yep, this is my first time doing this kind of thing. I'm a UX/UI engineer by trade, and have been learning video editing for a couple of months now. That's why it's taking me so long between videos, but it's definitely a great learning experience!
Thanks for watching, and I hope you'll like the next one just as much
Very interesting, I always love to see what the god particles can tell us.
Minor correction: 3:24 The Radiance isn't the Pale King's ancient foe, as far as we know. It's not even clear if the Pale King knew the Radiance was behind the Infection. The Radiance only considers Void to be her ancient enemy, and it's not clear if the Void reciprocated until recently.
Personally, my head canon regarding Monomon is that she told Quirrell to take one of the vessels (the player character) out of the kingdom so it could survive the Infection and hopefully return if the Hollow Knight needed replacing. Quirrell did so, but unfortunately Quirrell lost his memories. I also like to think that this led to the Knight becoming truly hollow, but I could take it or leave it.
I think they very much were aware of each other, here's why:
1. He tells us so in one of the Palace tablets:
"No blazing kin. Only one light shall shine against the dark."
He's talking about getting rid of the Radiance.
2. The Seer tells us when we bring her 2400 essence:
"The folk of my tribe were born from a light. Light similar to Essence, similar to that powerful blade, though much brighter still.
They were content to bask in that light and honoured it... for a time.
But another light appeared in our world... A wyrm that took the form of a king.
How fickle my ancestors must have been. They forsook the light that spawned them. Turned their backs to it... Forgot it even."
That's off the top of my head, so I may have missed some stuff. I'll present my full reasoning in my next video.
Thanks for watching!
@@errric_enniawl I don't really think that second one was evidence that the Pale King knew about the Radiance, just the moth tribe which we already knew.
I didn't know about that first quote though, but still it's poetic form doesn't necessarily suggest he knows exactly what it is. There are many regular bugs who describe their experience with the Infection as a light, so it's still not quite clear. Although the term "blazing kin" certainly suggests there's more to it than what he's written.
I'll look forward to your video!
And I am 100% relying on community members like you to not just take what I say for granted. It's kinda rad that my favorite game has my favorite community.
@@errric_enniawl It's all just speculation anyway lol. Team Cherry has said they don't want to give away too much lore so as not to delegitimize fans theories, which is both frustrating and also relieving lol.
@@errric_enniawl I don’t mean to come off as rude but here is what I gather.
1: that palace tablet is called hallownests beacon, the “light” is likely referring to the beacon or the king himself as he is stated to emit a pale light and we even see it in the abyss flashback,the room only gets brighter when he’s in it. the stand against the dark part most likely refers to: under the context that this IS a beacon that it will be the only place of civilization in the “dark” which is the wasteland outside the kingdom.
2: the moths worshipped the radiance before they left her for the pale king willingly because of the intelligence he offered. I feel like if they were always enemies they wouldn’t side with him or they would’ve done it sooner since they would already know what he was capable of.
While i do believe he would know it was the radiance causing the infection I don’t think he was always at qualms with her.
(Btw sorry for the long explanation)
"Do not dispair"
"Do not sacrifice"
"Light for Monomon"
-Uumuu
I see you are just starting out on youtube and it seems like you're primarily going to be doing hollow knight lore? I like the sound of the timeline project. I'm a big fan of this type of lore content, particularly videos on hollow knight and rain world, two of my favourite games both of which tend to have these sorts of videos made about them. Nice to see another addition to the hollow knight community on youtube, I have subscribed and am looking forward to seeing your future endeavours. Have a nice day :)
I'm definitely going to be doing HK for the foreseeable future. I've got the timeline thing I desperately want to finish before Silksong releases, and some other stuff planned as well.
Thanks for your support and for watching!
Amazing video! I haven't watched any of your content, so the ,,god particles'' feel kinda.... weird? idk i feel like it's kinda sketch, but you probably explained very well in that vid
I get your skepticism about the concept, but it's pretty constant across the entire game world - the particles that fly across the screen in any given region correlate to the higher power controlling that area.
Then you have "dead" regions where there are super sparse, tiny white dots. And void regions with black particles.
Next time you're playing HK, check it out! And thanks for watching and commenting
Honestly, it took me more than finishing the pantheon of hallownest just to find sly was the fucking great nailsage and you did this? i mean this is underrated asf
it also seems like monomon can make people immortal and mess with memory. as the moment quirrel gave up the mask. he began to age (or atleast feel it)
Yeah, Monomon was freaking awesome. I just assumed that part of the ritual of handing her mask to Quirrel was to extend his life. After all, she was too smart to risk him simply dying of old age while she slept.
This work is phenomenal, Errric! When I went to visit your channel, I was genuinely baffled that you have less than 1000 subs at this point. Hands down, this deserves far more recognition, and I’m so excited to see what you make next!
Great video man can’t wait for the complete timeline video drop
WHAT!!! I thought this channel had around 3k at least! So UNDerrrated!
I also love hk as well!
Also the Hollowknight did last for some time though it is unclear how long this was but was a long ish time. The Plae King and the White Lady left after the black egg was sealed out of shame... also maybe just maybe I am crazy here but the background bubbles In fog canyon are just that bubbles and background art to make the biome look nicer with 0 lore implications because that's a silly and absurd lore claim.
I never claimed the Hollow knight didn't last long. I just said that when it failed, the second wave came and wiped out Hallownest, and at that point the King and Queen fled.
None of that is controversial, it's all directly stated in game.
The only reason I skipped over that time period is because this is Monomon's story, and not much happened then that relates to her story
@@errric_enniawl My mistake I thought that the Pale King and White lady left after the sealing of the temple of the black egg they did move to their current after the Hollow Knight started to decay, but they still did move out of shame. I think that the Pale king and white lady did move to where they are currently are before the events of the Quirrel comic and were there for a decent period of time. How long this period was is hard to say. But I don't think PK and WL moved to where we see them in game right before we get Hallownest and start the game. I think that is just too soon in the time line IMO.
You're gonna make it big on CZcams one day man, this video is top notch.
Also amazing, and I'm going to watch part 1 when I can. I never knew Fog Canyon's lore, even though I made my own meme speedrun category about it, but it is so intresting.
This video is really well put together, and honestly deserves more views!
That's a pretty good explanation of what the jellyfish are! Never heard that theory before.
I watched the whole video thinking you had at least a thousand subscribers and then i saw that you only have around two hundred, keep it up man you earned another sub
Some points opposing this theory:
- The particles of the gods which have been confirmed (Unn, Pale king, White lady, Grimm and Radiance) are represented as dreamcatcher particles. The bubble particles of fog canyon are probably just the acid bubbling and the particles in the fungal wastes are most likely the spores of the fungi. Similarly, the crystal particles is the crystal peaks are probably just that, small crystal particles light and small enough to float in the air.
- Could you clarify how you know that Isma's grove is where all (if not most) of the acid comes from? and where are the pipelines now?
I agree with most of this video except these points.
As soon as I finish the timeline video I'm working on now, I'm going to post a video which explains my reasoning for anything I think the community might find questionable, including both of your points.
Off the top of my head tho, some evidence for my theories about the acid:
- the mister mushroom lore tablet refers to the grove as "the source of acid blight".
- the hunter's journal entry on the durandoo (I think, the armored thing that swims in acid) points out that the acid kills almost every bug that touches it. We can observe that this is also true for plants except the specific ones that like it.
- if acid were native to any region, you'd expect some of the flora and fauna to have adapted to it
- we can see the main pipeline next to Dung Defender, and if you look carefully in the room at the heart of the grove, you can see many more pipes in the background
- Apart from very few living things, the acid kills everything it touches. But at the archives it's used to store knowledge. If we know that the source of the acid blight is the grove, it must have been pumped to the archive site
@@errric_enniawl Thanks for clarifying. Yeah, those points are pretty compelling. And yeah, the acid going from waterways to fungal to fog canyon would explain why there is acid along that path.
Thank you I had the same thoughts (especially relating to the particles) But I was battling with how to wording it.
You deserve at least 10k subs, this is some quality content!!
I see amazing potential in your channel and your hollow knight timeline videos! I hope you become a larger creator soon
Hey, this was an amazing video and it does a good job explaining the lore of Monomon, It could be wrong but that doesn't matter, it still makes sense and mostly lines up with the rest of the story, good job.
your good at this. 👏
Dude hope to see your channel grow
Your narration was quite pleasant to the ear!
Is it considered general knowledge that the particles of areas are attributed to gods? I know they're related to higher powers, for instance the void presence in an area and infection in the crossroads, but is that the case for each area?
Like the "dust" particles in kingdoms edge for example, those are from the decaying body right?
Not that I know of. I'm going to be releasing the first timeline video shortly, which will include reasoning for my claims. I'll be sure to address your question.
Thanks for the question, and for watching!
@@errric_enniawl looking forward to that! Thanks :)
love this video, well done
also 2:13 "does not a story tell"
Awesome video, right up there with mossbag for lore knowledge. More please 😁
You got it, more on the way - I'm currently working on the first part of the full timeline. And thanks for the kind words!
Great video! Very well made
this is great keep it up! you need so much more subs
The jelly's do a good job of protecting the lore too cuz I don't want to be around them long enough to look.
Omg I literally laughed out loud 🤣
Underrated video.
The presentation in this channel is top notch. Also ASMR voice!
damn how you tell the story is great. you need more views and subs
such a well put together video, its surprising it has so little likes and views
Man the music for this game is possibly the best ever…this game really wouldn’t be half as amazing without it
this is so cool! Good job
I've been thinking of making lore videos to! Your video has inspired me :D
Do it! If you remember, post a link here or on one of my videos and I'll check it out!
@@errric_enniawl sure!!!! I already got an idea! So I'll post it here when I do :).
@@errric_enniawl I made the video and here is the link :) czcams.com/video/-uix0VQnniI/video.html
Great Video.
Hey there this was really well made I liked it a lot ! A little feedback I wanted to leave here would be the following :
Could you say during your videos where you take the information from ? Like which lines of dialogues or stuff ? Are there some parts that are deductions and therefore theory ? Is so that would be great to say so
Nonetheless it was a really cool watch good job !
A herrah or lurian video would be great
2:00 Maybe it's the same seal from a different point of view? Monomon isn't laying on the ground like the others but standing in a tube.
Lore of Hollow Knight - the Bug Who Became a GOD momentum 100
So she became a God via association
Basically! This is not too far fetched in Hallownest. After all, when the king turned the moths against the Radiance, we're told she would have been extinguished if not for a few faithful moths.
So that implies that belief, reverence, or love of a higher being can be what sustains them.
Every single jelly is single-mindedly focused on protecting Monomon (according to their dream nail dialogue). Over time, that many minds raised their creator to godhood.
At least, that's my theory
Oh my Monomon this video is amazing
Really well made video! If I may ask, is this story canon, or fanon? And if it is canon, where did you get the information? Sorry if I come off as brash 😅
Nah, not brash at all! I totally goofed up not including explanations in each video, so my next one will contain my reasoning for the first three.
I consider almost all of it canon, or at least completely reasonable conclusions based on what we can observe in game. But I am excited to hear what y'all think.
Thanks for watching!
⭐Nice theory, very creative although I do have some problems/criticisms with it.
First off I think the bubble particles are just that, bubbles and not some godly particle as you say as there unlike any other particles in the entire game being a physical thing you can touch not some flouting transient lights/colors in the air (Sidenote I find the Crystal peak's particles to be the same thing just crystals).
Also I don't see any evidence that a pipeline was ever constructed as I fined it more likely that the acid came from Greenpath and there for Unn not Isma, nor do I see any evidence of Ogrim or Isma being associated with the archive in any way.
(✴EDIT: oops your right I didn't think of the Isma's grove pipes at all, or the fact the dung defender and Isma are both Quiet heavily related to the grove. Well done I applaud thee.)
Keep in mind that this is just my personal opinion (I am most likely wrong)⭐
any way great video really well done on the editing, cant wait for the full Timeline :)🌟
Monomon is my favorite dreamer i love her
there is no fucking way this channel has 703 subscribers! I tought you had 150k subscribers by the quality!
while the broad strokes make sense I am curious about where you sourced some of the finer details like the fact monomon had 2 of the great knights protecting the construction of the archive and the idea of transporting the acid TO the location of fog canyon
10/10 vid though
Good news, friend! I have a quick video coming out in the next couple of days that should address your question. In the meantime: I promise none of it is baseless.
Apart from like... what time and what location did they first meet up at to talk about the Archive. Meaningless details that don't contradict anything but fill gaps to make a smoother story all the way through
@@errric_enniawl thank you very much for such a video I await its arrival
blud really said: 😇
Bouta scale Monomon above the Pale King FR
Dude, inject this shit straight into my veins. I'd watch your hollow knight videos for hours.
Good video, but i wished you explain your reasoning a bit more. I loved the fact you said that fog canyon used to be greenpath, a theory that I love but haven't heard much about
So my plan is to finish this first timeline video then do an explainer video. My thinking was that stopping to explain would remove some of the impact or flow of the story.
I may switch that up for the next video, if enough people are looking for more explanation.
Thanks for watching!
I almost forgot to explain the green path thing:
We know it wasn't there during the life of Hallownest, because the Pilgrim's Path lore tablet only mentions verdant wilds and fungal groves.
Looking closely at the environmental layering underneath the bubble growths in fog canyon, you can see lots of the greenpath-specific flora, including vines and grasses. Just like underneath the flowers of the Queen's Gardens, which we know was formerly greenpath.
That's what I can remember off the top of my head, but I'll be sure to give a full explanation in that follow-up video
@@errric_enniawl I meant in the video because I already knew, but this is cool too
I think you're right, and I really appreciate the feedback.
I've decided to add my reasoning for these videos to the end of my next one, and I'll be doing that for each subsequent video.
I the you made one small error. Ther is no proof in the in game lore/ cut lore or pre release concept lore that is not or is no longer seen as canion/ out side lore IE the physical Wanders Journal book from Fan Gamer or the Quirrel Comic that suggests that the Pale King knew that the infection was caused by the Radiance.
We know that the Pale King could see the future to some extent yet none of his dialog anywhere calls out the Radiance by name. Nor does he suspect that The Radiance or any higher being or anything is behind the infection causing it. All his dialog states is that he knew the infection was a plague of the mind.
The closest thing we have in game to support this idea is the Radiance's dream nail dialog calling the player Knight her "ancient enemy". Now it is unclear and ambiguous what she means/meant by this.
Some would say this line is the proof I am looking for that Pale King knew that the Radiance was behind the infection. Because what she is potentially referring to is the fact we are the Pale King's child and thus the Pale King is her "ancient enemy".
However, I think I have a much better explanation and interpretation of this line. According to the Moss Prophet it is stated that one of the things that the Radiance has domain over or wishes to have domain over or at the very least as a great care and desire/drive to have domain over.
Is nature/the natural order of the world. The Radiance is not so mad about being forgotten she is more mad that the Pale King put Hallownest into stasis thus violating nature/ the natural order of the world.
So it could be said that Radiance is also a God of "life" and light IE a protector of all living things... What would be the opposite of that...Yup! That's right the Void.
Heck even the Pale King says that the Void is the opposite of life. So from this it becomes fairly clear that Radiance is taking about the player Knight's nature and the Void is her "ancient enemy" because void has been seemingly around forever and likely has been around far longer that the Pale King or Wyrms.
We do know the Pale King knew about the Radiance. He said it in the lore tablet in the White Palace.
No blazing kin.
Only one light shall shine against the dark.
He's talking about the Radiance.
Also the seer tells us that the Pale King turned the moths away from the Radiance. When we bring her 2400 essence she says
But another light appeared in our world... A wyrm that took the form of a king.
How fickle my ancestors must have been. They forsook the light that spawned them. Turned their backs to it... Forgot it even.
And the arguments he used to turn them are written down in the lore tablets in the teacher's archives: the oldlight (Radiance) demands singleminded praise. The King offers diversity of thought.
@@errric_enniawl Ok Fair enough...Still think the ancient enemy line is more likely referring to the void part of the Player Knight rather the the Pale King part of the Player Knight because of what the Moss Prophets says "Light is life, beaming, pure, brilliant. To stifle that light is to suppress nature. Nature suppressed distorts, plagues us. Embrace light! Achieve union! Oohh..Ahhh." and what the pale king says about void "VOID, yours is the power opposed. But yours is potential, eternity potential, force that could deny Time. VOID, harness shall be placed upon you." These lines totally jive with my Idea that the Radiance is also god of life/nature or at the bare minimum has a care for and drive to rule over life/nature and the void is the opposite of life and the void has been around longer than ANYTHING in Hallownest or elsewhere has. Also I think the Embrace the Void ending to kind of confirms my theory too maybe possibly? Because of the Shade Lords 1V1 with the Radiance at the end
Well actually jellyfishes aren't bugs 🤓
Monomon’s lower body looks like the oom and uoma.
Think they’re her children?
WOAH !! Ur such a good why the fuck do y not have more subs
So what, she's the 3rd or 4th bug who became a God? Godhood in HK really be like candy.
the biggest mystery about monomon is how a teacher can have such terrible writing skills
imagine the poor student who had to decypher the tablets in the archives day before exam
And it's pure laziness, we know from the Elegy that Monomon could write legibly when she wanted to. smdh
@@errric_enniawl tbh she probably dictated that one and someone competent actually wrote it
maybe her writing *was* legible once, but the amount of time passing made them illegible? Because of decay and all.
@@franksonatra the comment was a joke but that's actually a really good point
my only problem with this video is that jellyfish are not bugs, other than that interesting ideas and theories!!
source ?
Yeah I really wish I had included a section explaining where I got all my ideas like I did in my later video. I have all of it documented in my notes, but I'm not sure how to get the info out in a way that's entertaining.
Maybe I could do a stream?
OHHHHH IT'S A BUG, NOT A COMPUTER BUG
very cool, shame it's not all canon
Yeah there's some speculation, but all of it has solid, canon reasoning. Except for the timing of the Archives being built (before or because of the Infection). I'm almost done with my next video which will include a presentation of the evidence.
Thanks for watching!
198 subs is to little for this lore
People really do sometimes write fanfiction and then call it a theory, and make a video essay about it on CZcams. Nothing wrong with it, of course, it's great, just a bit funny.
There's canon reasoning behind everything I'm saying. I'm including those explanations at the end of my next video. The only thing I've speculated on is the timing of building the archives, whether it was before or in response to the infection.
Thanks for watching!
@@errric_enniawl The jellyfish being lifeforms "powered by the infection" doesn't mesh at all with two things: the fact that they were planning to lock the infection away, and the fact that, as you pointed out, the Archive wouldn't be very useful to ordinary bugs if they were infected or dead- and the Infection clearly made the jellyfish dangerous to be around, thus making the Archive inaccessible. The lore tablets in the Archive talk about the creation of the Vessels, not the jellies, so Monomon was clearly involved in their creation as well- but you claim the Pale King came to her with the plan already in motion. Environment particles being big doesn't necessarily imply the higher being in question is more powerful than others. Bubbles are just not very readable as bubbles when they're tiny particles. The seal Monomon has isn't a special one- it's the same seal, we're just seeing it from a different angle.
I agree with some of your claims- that Monomon in some way created all the jellies, that she was a higher being, perhaps even that she gained power through their devotion- but we can't reasonably place that event on a timeline without wildly speculating. We can't be certain when the Elegy was written or completed either. Some facts you mention are of course clearly true, like Quirrel's mission. I like the acid theory, although I'm not sure about the details.
I love Monomon, she's my favourite Dreamer, and one of the most fascinating characters without much dialogue. Your theory is interesting, if flawed- I'd like to see your reasoning as to a few of these points. I get that you wanted to tell a compelling story in this video, without interrupting it with quotes or phrases like "we don't really know when that happened", but that has made the theory itself not believable enough for me.
Also, sorry if I come off as too confrontational or critical. You made a great video, and props for that to you!
First off: no worries at all about coming off critical, I totally get it. Secondly, I will definitely add your questions / disagreements to the list of explanations in the upcoming video. I appreciate the constructive criticism!
@@errric_enniawl Oh! Oh wow, thank you! I'll be looking forward to your next video! :)
I actually like fog canyon
I love it now, but I'll admit that I didn't always look on it so kindly. Thanks for watching!
@@errric_enniawlits a good video! My pleasure
Those are asid budls not god particals
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you are completely spot on. something that fireborn never is. lmao. great facts about a imaginative inspirational land the genius minds made
Pretty nice vid, but the the whole thing seems quite far-fetched at times
A good video, but to call Monomon a ‘god’ just because she has countless jellyfish that only think of her seems like a bit overstatement. Especially within the world of Hollow Knight, things that count as gods, do a lot more than have a few self-created subjects that took over a small patch of Greenpath. Also at the end, it feels you only call Monomon a god because of the ambient bubbles found in Fog Canyon, which is an ok point, but there needs to be more indefinite information to back the claim of her godhood other than, “These bubbles mean Monomon is of a similar stature to that of the Pale King, The Radiance, and The Grimm Heart.”
I like to believe Monomon only as a strong bug, better than the most of the bugs that reside in Hallownest, but not that strong to be deemed a god.
Also could you put source material in your videos because some of your claims seem like only speculation and not a real fact from the game or from Team Cherry.
You're absolutely right about including my reasoning in the videos, a mistake which I'm fixing with my next video. I'll be addressing every question or disagreement from the first two videos' comments, and will be sure yours is addressed.
Off the top of my head though: you're right in that it feels like Monomon can't be a god if you look at her actions - they definitely don't feel as big as those of the Radiance or Pale King. However, it's canon that even the Radiance would have disappeared forever if there weren't a few moths who kept the faith. This tells us that what sustains the power of a god is the faith or belief of their tribe (or vassals, in the King's case).
There are untold amounts of Jellies in the canyon, and all of them are single-mindedly focused on Monomon, their creator. So is Uumuu, who alone is powerful enough to be considered a "god" by the seeker's criteria.
If a higher power as strong as the Radiance could be "killed" simply by being forgotten, then the inverse must be true: if enough beings have faith or reverence or whatever in a single being, they are raised to the level of higher power.
After all, that's the crux of the King's plan to become immortal, and why he takes so many actions (King statues, King's Idols, putting his signature 4 spikes everywhere in the kingdom) to ensure the bugs of Hallownest praise him as the one source of their sentience.
Thanks for watching, for the constructive criticism, and I hope you'll let me know your thoughts if you watch the upcoming video!
The real question no one thinks about is, why are all the dreamers female, is it coincidence or something else?
Lurien is male
A) Lurien is male
B) Gender really doesn’t matter in this franchise. Tons of animals have more genders or can undergo a sex change under certain conditions or just don’t have genders
@@Anonyomus_commenter ?
In HK there is no bug that changed gender or sex, except maybe God tamer, as the enemy is female but that's clearly a male seeing through real world biology.
Outside of that, all characters have their genders set, male, female, or the vessels lacking it.
And the real world animals, not many can change gender, and all of them have either 1 (asexual species) or 2 (sexual species) (biologically)
But Lurien is indeed male.
@@Anonyomus_commenter so technically I could be correct if we can ever find out what bug lurien is 🤔
@@Yourlastfunctioningneuron Technically yes
And here I return to state that...once again, you're committing many of the same mistakes from a prior video.
2:27 It is uncertain as to where Monomon's story begins, relative to the founding of Hallownest. We don't know where she was born, let alone if she's a native to the kingdom.
2:30 Nothing ever mentions this supposed meeting between Monomon and PK. The pipe system mentioned is entirely unrelated, and isn't relevant to this story: it is guarded by Ogrim and is disabled by the events of the game.
3:05 Where is it stated that 2 of the 5GK guarded her Archives? This is fabricated.
3:31 Plenty of mortal beings resist and/or are immune to the Infection, such as the Hunter.
3:42 Neither the seals nor the chains holding THK are created with Void. The chains are metal, and we know this based on the sound made when they are struck with TK's nail.
3:44 We don't know, again, what Monomon went through in making her decision.
4:37 Nobody was considerate of if THK was going to fail, because to PK, the plan was inherently true (which was of course shown to be false). There was no "backup" plan.
4:43 Whether or not her lifeforms were powered by Infection, or simply store Infection within themselves, is unknown.
4:54 The timespan between the Elegy's creation/Vessel plan transcription/Uumuu's birth, and her slumber, is unknown.
5:36 The return of the Infection didn't immediately enslave everyone. The Hunter stats that it took "years" for Infection to pool in the Ancient Basin.
6:08 We don't even know if her species is capable of reproduction, so this is completely baseless.
6:36 This is entirely false. The ambient/essence particles of an area do not necessarily correlate to a given influence, let alone a Higher Being (aka: correlation isn't causation). Not all unique Essence colors are via Higher Beings; you ignored a prior comment of mine in this regard: Gray Prince Zote has a unique Essence color despite literally being a fragment of Bretta's mind. This is on top of how Godhome has a unique Essence color despite NONE of the Godseekers themselves being HBs (stated themselves).
7:00 The "strength" of Monomon is completely unknown relative to most other beings, let alone someone such as the White Lady.
Again, I ask why you fabricate so much over so little. It's not a good thing to do, because you're unintentionally or not making people confuse your headcanons with the canonical text.
Well, HK's canon lore is not sophisticated enough to come up with anything interesting. Still, they marked the canon lore with the section titled "canon lore." The rest is interpretation.
@@211aonscratch4 It being interpretation doesn't prevent them from making mistakes inconsistent with canon.
@@serraramayfield9230 Okay but still I was just saying it wouldn't be interesting unless it was mostly headcanon, and the canon section was clearly defined.
Nice video man I also make Hollow Knight videos lets grow together
this video is cool but it's mostly fanfic. also dude, it's hAllownest, with an a.
I don't think that the pronunciation matters all that much tbh.