Igor and Grichka Bogdanoff Case Analysis | Dangers of a Lack of Insight
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It looks like they had a caricature done at the county fair, went to the surgeon, and said, “this…we want to look exactly like this.” Followed by the surgeon replying, “well, I do love money sooo…oath be damned, let’s do this.”
Exactly
They could have been in a Twilight Zone episode.
People like them just keep Dr shopping until they find someone willing.
That’s Exactly how they look! Sadly there are so many just like them & Drs willing to take their money
I think that's about as close to a perfect explanation as we're going to get.
After seeing HUNDREDS of click-bait photos of the brothers, I had NO IDEA that they both passed away. Thank you for sharing TRUTH. 👍🏻
I just saw it in the news, a day or two after they both died. Too bad, they could have gotten the Vaccine and lived a few more years. They were pretty strange guys, but didn't seem mean, malicious or cruel.
@@dougankrum3328 I know a dude in my neighborhood who slipped and fell from a roof. He's dead now. Unfortunately, he wasn't vaccinated. I'm sure he would have survived if he had gotten the jab.
What truth ? Do this so called doctor know them ? Like all his analysis, it s bullshit from beginning to end !
@@Jorvaskrr Aww, aren't you an edgy boy. Are you going to yell crap like that at people visiting the graves of family members who died from Covid the same way Alex Jones fans yelled at the parents of kids killed at Sandy Hook Elementary when they visited their children's graves? You yell at kids wearing masks too, tough guy?
@@Jorvaskrr I knew a guy who got the the Measles vaccine. 43 years later hit by a truck. Amazing didn’t save him either
Their pictures often show up in articles of terribly botched cosmetic surgeries, but I never knew who they were. Thank you for the information on these tragically flawed brothers.
This is the 1st time I've seen pictures of what they looked like before all of their surgeries 🥺 how sad that they destroyed their perfectly normal looks.
Yes. They turned hideous.
@@MatthewMS. "Don't believe everything you hear on the Internet." -Abraham Lincoln
They were so handsome
@@Avian98X The quote you presented is a case in point. No way Lincoln said that - it was Ben Franklin.
Hell, they were quite good looking
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Being French as well I'd like to emphasize, similar to some other users in the comment section, that the Brothers Bogdanov were mostly loved by the French people. In interviews and as told by people who met them in person, they were consistently kind, respectful, polite, eloquent, down-to-earth and cheerful. Despite their mistakes, they were genuinely passionate about science and had in-depth knowledge on it like almost nobody else in French media. It's important to reshift the focus on remembering them in a positive light ♥️
You guys lovedJerry Lewis, too😅. I'm just kidding. They were on a scripted show, but apparently when they had to do their open research and analysis in the field of science, they couldn't competeor pass muster.
You sound as delusional about their knowledge of science as the brothers themselves were.
@@kellydalstok8900 Right? They don't have much to be proud of so may as well be these cartoons!
What?
As a french too : they had a scientific culture, they had real knowledge about the history of the scientific field of mathematics and physics, more than the layman, but less than a real historian of science or scientific about his own field. And probably that some scientific journalist had more knowledge than them. But we can't denied them of some scientific culture. But this doesn't mean they had real scientific skills and deep theoric and operational ( = how to use some tools and software in a study) knowledge.
We can't deny them that they know how to appear kind, respectful, polite, etc because it was an ingredient of their popularity in french media and with their fans.
It is important to reshift the focus on the positive aspect of the Bogdanov brother ? I don't think so. Their fraud was a part of them, their lack or real scientific skills too. But we can take in account their apparent "bonhommie", good character. The fact that they tried to appear more competent that they were still have to known.
Your analysis is on point, but I would like to add that they were always gentle fellows, at least in their TV appearances. They were polite, soft-spoken, genuinely enthusiastic, and were appreciated by all. When they started to transform their faces, French people made fun of them, but they never seemed to mind and always were good sports about it. In short, they were blatant hoaxsters but gentle fellows, articulate, and fun to be around from the outside. I am aware that they were accused of stealing money from a rather feeble gentleman, but to my knowledge, they both died before the case went to court. One detail that I found interesting is their African American grandfather, Roland Hayes, a famous lyrical singer that had an affair with their grandmother, countess Bertha Kolowrat-Krakowská. Because of the scandal, the mother left Austria to live in a castle in the Gers region in France, where they both were raised. May they rest in peace.
That's right, I met them in social events, one can not say they were ever embarrassed or ashamed, and that's part of the mystery, because they were really grotesque. I found their show boring, so I'm not surprised they were frauds, but what's not fraud on TV? There was something curious about their castle too, they didn't want to sell it but did nothing to improve it, so it's a ruin now. Really bizarre and superficial persons...
I have seen a picture of their grandfather. The brothers look like him a little bit.
That was my first thought. This helped them justify altering their appearance.
“A few pounds of plastic and botox perhaps, but no fat”… this phrase sums up sooo many ppl that see themselves as “healthy and invincible”… great video Dr. Grande 🥰
Add muscles reconstruction surgery for the sake of six-pack up to the list.
I love it he has such a dry sense of humor. And it’s totally unexpected.
Even Dr Todd could barely keep a straight face there 😂
The body plastic index will become a thing someday.
Both died a week ago of covid.
Could you do an insight into the mental health of a cosmetic plastic surgeon who would willingly do the sort of work that these two peculiar characters had done to thier faces?
I have completed a thorough analysis of the plastic surgeon who committed this crime. My conclusion is: GREEDY AF
GREED
@@RogueReplicant From the looks of it, they may have done the work on each other.
@@Tony.Technics.1200s lol 😊
There is lizard man now and another guy who calls himself dee-mon, horribly disfigured, horn implants etc. Heck look at Micheal Jackson🤡 and now we got kids who think they are cats....crazytimes
I wasn't aware of the Bogdanoff brothers until moving to France. Since their passing, I've learned their maternal grandfather was African American and an Opera singer of all professions (that combination must be rare, especially back in the early 1900s). Now, their tan suddenly makes sense. Their paternal heritage is Russian (the original spelling of their last name is Bogdanov, they changed it to Bogdanoff for tv I guess) while their maternal heritage is Austrian and African American. As an American, with African and European heritage, who has a Phd in Physics, I find myself strangely and positively connected to the Bogdanoff brothers.
This was probably one of my favorite videos of Dr. Grande. I didn’t know who the twins were prior to this video but I loved how he included a possible diagnosis at the end and explained why. Thanks Dr. Grande!
It's a shame that their plastic surgeon wasn't charged with a crime. I'm sorry I said it but it's the truth. Whoever it was ripped them off. Thank you Dr. Grande, love your videos!
lmaoo right wtf!
I, too, wonder about the ethics of doctors that do these surgeries of extreme nature. I guess it shows that (almost) anyone can be bought if the price is high enough. These guys came from French royalty and had money they could spend on this.
I would love to learn more about their social life and relationships. There must not be anything known because no one has reported a thing on that.
He didn't exactly rip them off if he was giving them what they thought they wanted. Like Doc said, "lack of insight."
@@Strype13 True, but it still feels wrong that doctors are allowed to do such a bad job and not be written up and disciplined by the college of surgeons and physicians for doing so. People with body dysmorphia eventually don't know what does or doesn't "look good".
@@millana100 I see what you're saying, but when it comes to cosmetic surgery, the "bad job" is in the eye of the beholder. As long as the patient is accepting the outcome of the procedure(s), I don't think any liability exists for any sort of disciplinary action.
E.g. A third party cannot claim a doctor made somebody "ugly," and propose some sort of disciplinary action based on their own opinion of what constitutes the word ugly. That would be setting a very slippery precedent.
Instead of filing all those frivolous lawsuits, they should have sued their plastic surgeons. They'd have won BILLIONS. 👹👺
Great video, Dr. Grande. 👍
LOL LOL HAHAHA VERY HILARIOUS, 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
That is actually a good point!
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Did they definitely ask to look this way though? Would they still go ahead if they knew the results?
When I first saw that thumbnail I thought it was episode of split image
I actually saw one of them in a shop about a decade ago (I think it was Igor as it was in the Paris neighbourhood he lived in) and his appearance really was very... startling, especially considering how naturally handsome they used to be.
Regardless of their issues, the twins seems like nice, well-mannered guys who were always close to each other until the end and gracious about being the object of criticism.
I read that when they were both hospitalised, they wanted to share their (non-hospital, organic) meal, which I found very endearing.
The biggest irony is that they feared Covid-19 vaccine while having all types of stuff injected into their faces...
They honestly looked nice before the surgery. I envy their relationship yet feel sorry for them at the same time because the word codependent pop into my mind.
The university that awarded their PhDs and the journals that published their work are more despicable than Bogdanoffs themselves. Individuals often try to get away with things. Institutions should not enable them. Lots of people within these institutions had many opportunities to say, This is not acceptable. Hope they were embarrassed at least.
Fair point, but the peer review process must answer, too. Not to mention the role of the journal's editor.
I agree. It is such hard work to get a Doctorate and giving the degree away to incompetents cannot be condoned.
Same thing when it comes to Hollywood royalty buying their children's way into prestigious schools. Same thing with Hunter Biden. His father's influence got that crack head into Harvard.
Let the bogs rest in peace scumbag
@Patrick O'Mallay I would profoundly disagree. It depends on your field. Some PhDs are taken very seriously. Others, like education or business administration, are not.
Hi from France! What a surprise it was to see that you did the Bogdanov case! 😁. I think you re absolutely right! Vanity was their main nemesis… I remember their tv show that was cool and they were very cute…. But even at that time, we could see they were looking at themselves as superiors to others…. About their surgery, they were very making fun of because of the fact they wanted people to believe that they did nothing, that it just happens one day…. As if they were from another world I guess… Very sad… I guess they must be happy in heaven because they have never been so much spoken about when they were alive…. I hope my English is understandable enough for you to get what I meant ☺️. I wish you all a great day!
Perfect Charlotte!
Your English was so very wonderful! You speak much better than most who were born in America. No doubt.
Excellent English Charlotte!
your english was fantastic!
Great analysis 👍👍👍
I'm surprised they didn't just say, "we are living our truth." Then demand everyone accept it.
"As always, I hope you found my analysis more intriguing than a sale at a circus supply house."
Hahahahahaha, Dr Grande, I love you, you're killin' me 🤣
Oh my word, the timing of Dr Grande stating that “The twins denied having any plastic surgery or Botox…” with the photo of them clearly having had major work done is hilarious.
I cant stop laughing except now he says they passed away....that's sad but my abs still hurt lol
Michael Jackson denied it, too.
I'd not known of these fellows until the latest publicity photos of them in 2021. They looked to me like Muppet characters or some CGI prank on the internet. The true story of them belies tragedy which their faces came to reflect. I can't help but draw some comparison of their perceptions and how they behaved to our recently deposed president #45.
If you look at their photos over 50 year period it is quite possible that they have a condition called ACROMEGALY which is due to excessive production of growth hormone in adulthood. Because they are identical twins, it is not surprising that they both have this condition. It is also not surprising that they both died from covid as one of the features of acromegaly is hypertrophic cardiomyopathy which is a bad risk factor for dying from covid. Look at their faces from early on. Even as young men they are already developing abnormally prominent chins and thick lips. Initially this may appear masculine and attractive but as it progresses over the decades it starts to look rough and grotesque.
@@finwefingolfin7113 they had already admitted to using techniques to change their faces 😊 but you raise a valid explanation.
This sort of situation used to be called “Folie a Deux”: Shared psychotic (delusional) disorder. The brothers’ intense closeness, emotionally and functionally, allowed each man’s faulty perceptions and beliefs to unduly influence the other. Tragically, there was no external person able to act as a voice of reason. Further, the twins’ notoriety was a moneymaker for many people, who undoubtedly chose to exploit their issues rather than attempt to address them.
You're absolutely correct!! I remember reading about it years ago in a medical journal.
Completely agree
Accurately and succinctly expressed.
Yes, I've heard about folie a deux in a documentary about the Papin sisters. Very interesting about shared delusions
Great point!
They were such handsome young men... why would they possibly want to disfigure themselves? And, what self respecting doctor would do those surgeries? It's absolutely unbelievable! Also, it's so terribly sad!
I thought that their being twins would be more important to the diagnosis, with them confirming each other’s distorted world view. On the other hand it’s strange that neither of them stopped the other and questioned what they were doing, unlike an individual, they can see what is happening in front of them. When looking at a case of twins like this, is it like diagnosing one person or would you consider each separately?
The problem was that the parents and grandparents had built them up to royalty level. Just because the grandma had royal connections, didn't make them princes, kings or emperors. They were charismatic and good looking young men but their attitudes just stunk, but that's just my opinion. My father was an Oxford graduate and professor of engineering and has met the twins. When they were discussing physics with him, he knew they didn't have any idea what they were talking about. Dad told them that he worked on oil rigs in the North Sea and Louisiana and they seemed appalled at that, for some reason, as if it wasn't good enough for an Oxford grad. These guys had some nerve.
They weren't " built up" to be royalty they were royalty. The problem is they were raised in isolation on an estate in the country side, this would have contributed to their poor socialisation. The reason your father likely had the opprtunity to meet and con verse with them if he actually did was because they had the freedom in later years and the desire to interact with everyone. Your father can rest assured he would never get the opportunity with a single English royal who were schooled with other children and had active social lives with other youngsters and therefore wouldn't crave social contact with everyone including "commoners".
His grandfather was Roland hayes the first afro -american opéra singer. Sorry, my english is bad . I speak french !
@@chehemomarmohamed3867 say it in French then, please
I'm learning some French
As a French, i can tell those two were Seen as clowns by 90% of our people. They only had crédibility with New age weirdos.
They were just a shame for us.
@@fukpoeslaw3613 je ne suis pas d'accord avec dr Grande ! Les frères bogdanoff étaient des types très intelligents et très simples . Ils ont été premiers à vulgariser la science à la télé en France. Leur mort a bouleversé beaucoup de monde. Il y a eu une foule immense à leur enterrement. Nous ne les oublierons jamais ! Qu'ils reposent en paix !
These two looked scarier than any fictional horror monster you could imagine. They were straight out of a nightmare. I have never shuddered so much during a CZcams video.
😳YOU AIN'T LYIN' ROB!😒🙄
Me too! Talk about nightmare fuel…
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These ‘monsters’ were afraid of a another perceived monster (the vaccine) and was killed by an even bigger monster (Covid-19)! The world is full of scary monsters if you really think about it! We just have to keep our guard up and stay one step ahead of the pack!
Couldn't agree more, Rob Swystun. Horrific and creepy beyond words.
“The scientific version of the kardashian family” is possibly the coldest roast I’ve ever heard 💀
I once ran into "catwoman " Jocelyn Wildenstein in Delray FL and it was STUNNING/SHOCKING-you can't stop looking!
As a Belgian (they were famous here as well) when I read the title I thought "oh boy, this is gonna be an approximation at best, he can't possibly grasp such a complex case so quickly" but I'm genuinly impressed, you understood them better than most people who have known them all their lives do. Especially since they were well connected and protected from public scrutiny.
I concur. This is perfectly on point (from France).
American married to a Belgian. Your English is very good.
I would have never thought that the Bogdanovs’ fame would have made it out of the Hexagon! I remember watching their show on Tv in France; there should’ve been a spoiler alert saying “for entertainment only “ Lol
No one at the time could understand their reasoning behind turning themselves into the grotesque figures they ended up being. It is not so shocking nowadays as we kind of “seen it all” but have we really?...affaire à suivre...
@@littleredwitch They turned into an internet meme about several years ago. They were given roles of some dark masters playing games with the crypto currencies, crashing the market or pumping it, to make hell of the life of an average man, named Wojack. It's all a rather complex scenario lol, it was for fun, and not some kind of actual conspiracy. That made them famous, because that meme is still quite vivid, and it used their real names.
Faut dire qu'ils avaient une sacrée gueule.
How were they 'protected from public scrutiny'? Seems to me their whole lives were a quest for public scrutiny, their attention-seeking narcissism was off the scale!
What I do not understand is, how these plastic surgeons continue to "work" on patients when it can be seen these patients are being turned into Caricatures. I know it's all about money, but it seems that a truly ethical surgeon would simply say: enough is enough.
Doctors and institutions are incentivized by insurance money to do things that result in patient death all of the time. Example, giving patient blood pressure medication that lowers the body's natural coq10 ( which lowers blood pressure) instead of teaching diet, exercise and vitamin supplements to be healthy naturally and not need the drugs that make companies billions, and cause drug dependence.
Most cosmetic surgery is already unnecessary, and in my opinion any unnecessary medical treatment (especially surgery) is unethical. These people just slice up healthy people for money.
@@JTScott1988 people shouldn't cut each other up for reasons of vanity
@@JTScott1988 medical personnel should never harm anyone: even consenting adults.
@Maude Mathilde H - that's the problem. You wrote "truly ethical surgeon would simply say: enough is enough". ETHICAL. :(
7:17 Never seen Dr. Grande break character before but he couldn't help but laugh at his own joke 😂😂😂
6:39 “the twins denied having any cosmetic surgery…” You gotta be kidding me.
“They believed their own lies,” but time after time they underestimated people’s intelligence, which is nothing new in our society. Regardless, it’s sad to learn their outcome. At the same time, I truly wonder why the Kardashians’ fame is getting bigger and bigger globally🤔
Why? They have been uploaded to the Blockchain, this is just part of the plan.
The Kardashians are a whole other monster. 😳
Fashion. I'm not kidding. But when plastic surgery can no longer fight gravity, they'll be gone faster than when they first came into prominence on social media.
I guess because people click on whatever they are doing? Who knows?
@@cht2162 what, you worry?
Update on my wife Dr Grande she had a cardiac arrest on Thursday Australia time. She had a surge of cortisol. She is now extubated and will be home Monday Thanks Steve. Shout out to my sons who helped resuscitate her.
Best wishes to you and your family
Please tell Julianne I'm thinking about her. Best wishes to you, the twins, and baby, as well. ❤❤❤❤
Thank you all. My wife is the love of my life. When I first saw her I told everyone I'm going too marry that girl. Thank you all for worry about my beautiful wife. The twins were great they helped doing CPR on my previous with. Kind regards. Steve. Also thank you for being there for her. She is the love of my life once again Thank You. My wife speaks highly of you.
Sending a little love and prayers from Fort Worth Texas I'm very sorry to hear about your wife on one hand but it sounds like she's going to recuperate and God bless you and your family so that you all might be healed and go about living a normal life again take care of that sweet wife of yours I'm sure she needs every bit of the care and I am totally enthralled about you saying you were going to marry her the first time you ever saw her I think that is so cool I'm 70 years old so I've been there myself 💜😁
@@karenking5357 Thank you so much Karen, she is beautiful on the inside and out. I love my wife so much.
They scare me. They look like human versions of one of Jim Carrey's awful movies. I'm a nurse, I've seen everything working the Dallas county hospital, these guys peg out lots of my meters. Did they have no one in their lives that loved them and said "don't do that!"? They don't look of this earth, to me. Wonder if their mom had any stories of UFO's.
Thank you Dr Grande, you're the best!
This analysis is so interesting. What is fantastic (one of the things) about Dr Grande's channel is the reach into so many places in the world for source analysis, and the reach to so many people to relay the varied cases covered. Some of these stories are familiar & then others would never have reached the audience that view this material. The analyses are so helpful, too, as well as being informative, - malaise of human nature it is good to have contextualised. You have such an interesting line of work Dr. G & thanks for sharing your knowledge (& humour, too) with us.
There's another set of twins, Darcy and Stacy Silva, that are heading down the same road with multiple plastic surgeries. They started off on TLC's 90 Day Fiance and now have a show of their own. I think there's something about the twin dynamic, with each twin reinforcing the delusions of the other, that can be very dangerous.
There's also the Wachowskis, though they're not twins.. Why are so many siblings who are closely connected end up going through bizarre operations and plastic surgeries? I can understand one's ideas affecting the other but the theme of surgeries is oddly consistent among many of them.
@@Diwasho had to look them up, as I was unfamiliar with their situation. So they're both trans. Hmm. Never understood that frankly. I mean the only reason I express as female is because that's what body I'm in at the moment.😂
@@laurieparis2203 Oof... Maybe then you should educate yourself on what being trans is about?
@@freekpeet Thx, peet. I've tried but it's just something I can't get my head around. And that's ok. Just one of the many mysteries of life I'm not privvy to.
@@freekpeet one is a trans lesbian (biologically speaking that's a bloke and woman) and the other is a trans who is married to a trans man (again, biologically speaking, that's still just a male Walchoski bloke knobbing a biological woman)
I once had an acq1uaintance who was a doctor. He did fillers, Botox, ect. He told me once that people would come in and get one filler, fell they looked better, then come back. And eventually this would spiral into them becoming emotionally dependent on how i made them feel. He told me he wanted to get more education and go into something else. I hope he did.
Same with tattoos. It is therapy.
Wow didn't think about tattoos too🤔
Interestingly enough, I’ve heard that that is also partly the reason people stay in bad relationships- they get dependent on the feeling they get, whether it’s good or bad.
@@pdsnpsnldlqnop3330 If my first tattoo experience hadn't been so crappy, I would probably be covered in them now.
@@amandafranklin1914 Go get them! Satisfy the urge and you will not regret it.
Dr. Grande, I'm sure you get this a lot, but you have a really calming voice. I enjoy listening to you talk about various topics.
Thank you for your insight/analysis of these brothers.
It’s always tragic when people cannot see that their vanity has gone too far.
“They worked for ten years so we should just give them a PhD” - no one at my university had such a generous attitude. We had to earn it by passing all of our exams (particularly the oral exam at the end of year two or year three depending on your program - it takes at least a year of prep work and includes a lengthy oral exam with your future dissertation committee plus written portions), courses, publishing papers plus presenting at national and international conferences, writing a 300+ page dissertation reviewed by our multi-department committees plus our dissertation chair, etc. No “hey they worked for free for awhile…”
Agreed. Of the many parties who facilitated the Bogdanoff brothers' charade, IMO the university that awarded them both PhD's deserves the most criticism, as it completely undermines the academic integrity of what a PhD means. I had assumed that it was a degree mill somewhere that had sold them there PhD's not an institution with even a shred of credibility.
No one should be given anything academically that hasn’t been 100% earned by doing the work, no participation trophies.
Idk have you tried being nobility?
I believe Dr. Grande took that statement out of context. It’s not true that they were awarded their degrees automatically just because they stuck around for 10 years. They did manage to convince the PhD committee that their research deserved a PhD degree on its merits. This is just something their advisor said to cover his behind when pressed on why he did a sloppy job scrutinizing their papers. He admitted he didn’t fully understand them, but thought that some ideas seemed reasonable and original. Multiple scientists who reviewed their work at the time had a similar sentiment - i.e. they found some details need more work, but overall the research looked good. This is also the reason why one of the brothers received a PhD in Mathematics - the committee wasn’t fully convinced of the physical merits, but found the mathematical part sufficiently strong. (in a similar fashion, scientists working on string theory are often considered as mathematicians since that theory hasn’t been experimentally verified to this day).
Maybe they graduated from Trump University?
"Enhanced their features". Whew. Beauty truly IS in the eyes of the beholder.
It’s amazing to see the growth of your channel, congrats 🎉 and much success!
It's still difficult for me to grasp how with humans having access to medical libraries at our fingertips, and open lines of communication on a global level, unlike any other time in pandemic history, that people are none the wiser about how to combat covid. Covid isn't the first novel coronavirus, and studying the history of SARS empowered me to outwit the bug. I can't be vaccinated due to allergies to shellfish, so a back up plan was necessary for me to develop. I think the brothers wanted attention, power, and prestige and agree with you about their "better than you" attitude. I don't claim to know everything but it doesn't mean I'm not capable of learning anything.
I am going to say it. Dr. Grande, I am not diagnosing you as a workaholic for putting out so much material so fast, but rather I am only speculating as to what is going on in a situation as your channel.
He's addicted to his growing fame, positive notoriety (clicks, subs and likes) and youtube money. And perfecting the art of not appearing narcissistic as a result of all three of those things. Just like everyone else.
What a bunch of negative nellys! Can't We couch this obvious admiration in more positive terms? Thank you Dr. Grande for a work ethic that seems like Mt. Everest and the encyclopedia rolled into one!
@@drott150 i think the part about not appearing narcisistic is a rly good point. He is clearly a youtuber like all the others(dont get me wrong, i like his content) but attempts to portray himself differently
@@elperronimo Yes, he's really working hard at the uber-rational, uber-impartial, uber-objective "scientist" persona. Problem with that is that he is just as human and vulnerable to the same foibles the rest of us are. He's also evaluating people he has never personally met and interviewed in depth privately (that's why he has to concede up front these are only his opinions even though he presents his argument as if he has interviewed them). Also, the science of psychology isn't a real science at all. A true scientific field of study allows for theories to be testable, measurable and repeatable. Psychology is the study of the human mind and behavior. Other than the physiological aspect of it (i.e. the structure of the brain, biochemistry etc), the behavioral theories are not really testable, measurable and repeatable for all subjects.
Diagnosis and treatment also depends on the subjective judgement of a psychologist to score results (which can and will vary wildly from psychologist to psychologist). Calibrated scientific instruments or quantitatively provable measurements are not used to gather data and develop proof of theory the way they are in a real science by real scientists. This is why so many once revered psychologists are now dismissed within a relatively short period of time when trendier theories usurp them (i.e. Freud et al). In comparison, Newton and Galileo made their truly scientific discoveries centuries ago and their theories are still going strong today (because they are testable, measurable and repeatable). We can fully expect the dominate theories in psychology today will be thought of as from the dark ages 500 years from now. Especially the pharmacological aspect of treatment. Although it won't take 500 years. Just look at how recently the theory of lobotomy was prevalent, accepted and deployed widely within psychology. Same for the earlier versions of ECT.
@@bthomson Groupies are people that fuel what I mentioned earlier. Don't be a groupie.
I hadn't seen so many pictures of them still resembling terrestrial humans. Fascinating, thank you, Doctor.
Such a shame
Ah ha!
Terrestrial humans………🥰bam
Yes and they were reasonably good looking. They turned themselves into monsters
Weird!
Thank you for cutting back on the commercials! Besides your content, I tune in to see the changes of your knickknacks in the background lol! I’m obsessed lol
It’s sad that so many celebrities have such bad plastic surgery! Why aren’t surgeons more responsible?
"A few pounds of plastic & Botox maybe, but no fat!"
I love you Dr Grande! Your dry humour never fails to delight.
The amount of research in each video is staggering. Thanks for the quick, interesting yet in-depth review of topics.
Staggering? It's all public knowledge. Good little presentations but all the info is easy to find.
@@kevinc809 still a lot to put together day after day
@@surfinsocal100 yes it is busy work.
So Kevin. - If it's so easy...🤔
@@bthomson I didn't say it was easy. I actually said its busy work. But its not "a staggering amount" of research. In fact he gives pretty much the story in a nutshell. The basic info of each case. I understand why and thats why he is successful because most people today have what they call a short attention span.
When I had my first and only psychedelic experience one of the things it showed me was how skilled I was at self deception.
Omg. This is amazing. I wish you were my therapist. Just one day! You’re awesome.
Thank you for your view on the twins. I am from France where the Bogdanoff brothers are verypopular. In the late 70's, they were considered as VERY handsome and brilliant people. They always have been very mysterious about their family origins. They claimed they were immortal. I never understood how they fell into this plastic surgery disaster, which they never admitted to have done, even Igor to his own wife ! They literally looked like freaks. Such a sad ending for both of them.
Igor and Grichka Bagdanoff are Darcy and Stacy Silva now!!!
These 2 brothers are part of many who mutilate their physical appearance and think they look better when they made themselves look much worse!! 🙄🤷🏻♂️
I have yet to see an example of vain plastic surgery working out long term. It doesn’t look natural and as they age it stands out more. Most of these people look great before they do it too.
I never seen anything so scary. Their looks have been mutilated, so sad. 😔
They look gorgeous, imo. I don’t think they had plastic surgery, that’s just the way they look as they’re twins. They’re Scandinavian is all.
If I had become a cosmetic surgeon there is no way I'd compromise my ethics, my hypocratic oath to do no harm by agreeing to make someone look freakish. I don't give a damn about the money.
That's why you are not a plastic surgeon! 😂
Yep, the ethical committee has been out on this one for a while, when someone like them shows up and asks for more surgeries, you gotta turn them down.
When they 1st showed up and asked for a lot of surgeries, and minimally invasive procedures, they should have been turned down.
There's a line that cannot be crossed.
Edit: You should go up! (It's possible that they were turned down by some surgeons btw, we'll never know).
You see some pretty ghoulish faces in Hollywood. They'll twist their faces into anything to avoid wrinkles and dropping.
The world is filled with unethical cosmetic surgeons, starting with Michael Jacksons.
@@jillibeens57 And that woman who got more and more plastic surgery so she could look like a big cat. Remember her? Big Cat Woman. Her surgeons should be in jail.
They didn't have any surgery, they were obsessed with slowing down aging and self administered huge amount of growth hormone wich gave them acromegaly.
Love you Doc! Getting closer & closer to 1 Mill!! I'm so excited for you! Please tell us about you, your disability, your life!! Thank you. As always, love ya!!
I was born and raised in France I'm 50 so I'm very familiar with these two. I remember watching their "scientific" kid show which was I interesting to me at the time.
You well researched their background and your analysis is very accurate and condensed on such a short video.
Well done. I didn't really follow them since I was a kid and didn't know anything about their lives really. I remember them being very haugty.
You nailed it. Narcissism is indeed a dangerous poison. I can clearly see as well end sight.
May they RIP nonetheless.
He read it straight from the New York Times -- may have changed a couple of words but, basically, yeah, NYT.
Indeed, and remember, everything is NOT possible.
@@garypuckettmuse
Thanks for pointing this out.
@@Vee_of_the_Weald When was the last time anyone gave credit where credit was due? That's all that bugs me. He's a narcissist who cannot just say "According to the New York Times" because he needs to take credit for their reporting. he' got the same problem the twins have, hahaha.
Comment on devient libre en France ?
"Above all, do not lie to yourself. A man who lies to himself and listens to his own lie comes to a point where he does not discern any truth either in himself or anywhere around him, and thus falls into disrespect towards himself and others. Not respecting anyone, he ceases to love, and having no love, he gives himself up to passions and coarse pleasures in order to occupy and amuse himself, and in his vices reaches complete beastiality, and it all comes form lying continually to others and himself. A man who lies to himself is often the first to take offense. it sometimes feels very good to take offense, doesn't it? And surely he knows that no one has offended him, and that he himself has invented the offense and told lies just for the beauty of it, that he has exaggerated for the sake of effect, that he has picked up on a word and made a mountain out of a pea--he knows all of that, and still he is the first to take offense, he likes feeling offended, it gives him great pleasure, and thus he reaches the point of real hostility..."
-- Fyodor Dostoevsky, The Brothers Karamazov
Should be recommended reading for Boris Johnson! Thank you for posting.
That’s the case where Trump finds himself in right now!
@@andrewtodaro2874 Trump, AOC, SJWs, far-righters and many, many others unfortunate individuals...
It is very sad that mental disorders are so popular these days :(
Love this. It explains much
I see Dostoevsky met Donald Trump.
I am intrigued that both twins had the same distortion. It makes me wonder what the influence of being so generically similar was on their particular disorder. I am also struck by the fact that they both contracted Covid and left this world within such a short time of each other.
I love how the images show the deformation of the twins over time. They both look like they got the same surgery at the same time. Maybe they thought people would believe that is how they both developed
The Bogdanoffs didn't believe in COVID-19, but COVID-19 believed in the Bogdanoffs.
I believe in covid but the deaths do not make it a pandemic , check it out ,
@@melrye7350 Vaxxed 4 times still infected seems smooth brain to me.
@@christinebeames2311 You should get a dictionary.
@@jhoughjr1 Did they test you to identify the variant? How severe are your symptoms?
@@jhoughjr1 unless I have misunderstood your comment - please note that the vaccine DOES NOT prevent you from being infected. The vaccine instrad primes your immune system and basically gives you a "head start" when infected thus giving you a better chance of beating the infection.
OMG, I had no idea they passed away... Their lives went so fast from comedy to tragedy...
What comedy ? I bet you don't even know them or you're not French to say their life was a comedy. Punk.
I worked in France for 10 years in education, including an eminent French university. I can tell you that the standard for PhDs in France is not terribly robust. Furthermore, the viva voce can be laughable in so far as the post grad original research doesn't have to be statistically substantial. In my personal experience, a PhD in France can cost as little as €200 which, compared to the cost of higher education in the US, makes education far more accessible to all social classes than any other country In know. Unfortunately, this can detract from the gravitas normally associated with PhDs.
Dr Grande has been appearing on my feed for a while but I never watched my first episode to completion, because his voice was so ‘boring”, monotonous …and with no cadence. It’s only when I sat through one of the episodes yesterday, that I realised that it was a deliberate persona. Complete with deadpan jokes and all. I then went on to watch about ten more episodes, and they’re all really informative and well researched. Really good stuff but in the form of a hidden gem. You require some patience at first and not have the attention span of a gnat as is our want. Thank you.
Regarding the diplomas, we hear all the time about celebrities and the children being admitted to college based on financial contributions. I've always wondered what (if any) academic work these people actually end up doing. The Bogdanoff brothers mistake was selecting fields of study where they would so easily(and quickly) be found out.
Yeah, they could've have gotten away with a phd in "Arts" or "Social studies" ... which cannot be 100% objectively judged to weed out frauds from the true masters
Just like Prince Harry. He was far from academic and was spoon fed his studies. Yest he believes he is the font of all wisdom on many subjects. People feed their ego when they are born with a silver spoon in their mouths.
@@eddysgaming9868 Or linguistics. They spoke 4 languages, that's impressive.
I've seen these guys in the media in the past, I honestly thought that the pictures were fake! I didn't know that they passed away, such a weird story!
Although I really appreciate your work Dr Grande, I will nuance your assertion about the twins surgeries . They perfectly know that they will look highly plastic and disfigured after the surgery . But they also knew that it will give them a chance to be featured in the media again. Since they were outed for the gibberish and nonsense of there pseudo scientific announcements , they had no chance to be famous again other than by their physiques. So rather than being ignored , they chose to be hated for there monstrous features.
Highly narcissist personalities crave the attention, and will rather died then being anonymous.
Dr. Grande's voice and delivery make me want to sit in my closed garage with the car running.
Another fascinating case I never heard of. The pictures are absolutely amazing. Such good looking men turned into real life monsters! Very interesting story -so well presented. Thanks for all your work. Looking forward to all you have planned for us in 2022!🤠💕 Ps I forgot to add - looking forward to all the comedy you bring us as well. You do make me laugh! Something we all need right now.
Ugh... they were *never* good looking men!
Given their aristocratic background it is also possible that the twins were raised from childhood to believe that they were somehow superior. Their early success on TV would have reinforced this. I cannot come up with an exact quote but astrophysicist/guitarist Brian May said something about his exposure to other people with PhDs. He said they did not let him get away with anything just because he was a star. It seems like the peer reviewed journals and the university in France that the twins attended "dropped the ball."
The Harry syndrome. Imho.
I feel for them... what went on in their heads to cause what they did to themselves? goes beyond lack of insight when two people make themselves look like that
I would love to hear you talk about tattoos and other body alterations. It seems that no one can get only one tattoo anymore. They have to cover an entire arm or leg. I think this is also a form of body dysmorphia, but it might be too sensitive a subject to discuss these days.
I have one tattoo, and do hope to have another, but not the full body coverages etc., and the one I have as well as the one I hope to get are both meaningful to me. My reason for wanting them is like....speaking for me, so that my most heartfelt message is communicated even when I am not aware of it, or have an opportunity to provide it. The tattoo I have is the Star of David with Never above it and Forget below it. I am not Jewish and was unaware of the taboo on tattoos until the last few years, in any event, and I do hope not to offend anyone but I have specific reasons for it. The Holocaust, to me, is the most identifiable event of man's inhumanity to man, and to have that stop on all levels is my most heartfelt prayer and desire. The other tattoo I want is of the POW/MIA symbol because, again, Never Forget, now and forever. I CAN see why people will get their entire body covered, I definitely suffer body dysmorphic disorder, but fortunately it doesn't take that form nor do I actively "suffer" now. All the irrevocable alterations people make to their appearance that will haunt them more than likely one day - yes, I believe that is self mutilation and it breaks my heart.
Dude, it's art. Not body dysmorphia. 99% of people with tattoos aren't addicted to getting them, they just like art and having it on their bodies. I'm 20 and have 4 tattoos, intend on having a lot more, just because I'm an artist and i want my body to be a canvas for beautiful art too. How on earth could that be body dysmorphia
Not going to lie the most shocking part of the video was when you said they died at 70. From whatever they had done to their faces it's impossible to tell if they were 20 45 64 or 100, they looked so unnatural my gods 🤯
That surprised me too! I thought they were in their 40’s. Not that they looked young, but that they were so disfigured you couldn’t tell. 😳
It’s really sad, kinda like M.Jackson, attractive when they were younger, but like Michael, were incapable of seeing what the rest of us saw, and distorted their faces to the point that I did not want to look at them, it was offensive. Who is the f’n BUTCHER who did that to them? Good god. Igor got done first, and Grichka said “I love it, that’s just what I want.”?
@@jeffersonott4357 I had not thought of that comparison. Interesting!
Yeah, it sure was pretty bad.... Y-I-K-E-S😬
My mum laughs at me every morning because I sleep with your videos playing in the background on a loop! Your voice and delivery are so soothing, and the content is top tier! Well done, Dr. I hope this year is nothing short of amazing for you xx
I do too!!!!😂
Me too
I do too! Such a calm soothing voice
He should fo ASMR
I totally do this too. I figure by the time I wake up, it's the equivalent of reading a book.
I moved to France in 2007 and had never heard about the Bogdanoffs before. When I first saw them I thought they were suffering from Acromegaly. Could that have been the reason for their distorted features?
I'd be really interested in seeing a video of you psychoanalyzing Socrates based on his behavior in Plato's writing.
Those two were anathema to science and living in fantasy land of fun house mirrors and circus. The fact they were given any credibility is astounding based on their actions and tee ball trophy diplomas. I’m sure after 10 years each, the university just wanted them off the campus.
I would never punch down on the looks someone is born with.
But these two lying clowns🤣🤣
Created a look that only 3rd degree burns could seem better.
From their appearance, the brothers Bogdanoff may have experimented with human growth hormone and developed acromegaly as a result. This would be consistent with the exaggerated growth of their chins and cheekbones.
If this was the case, they would have suffered simultaneously from several comorbidities (among which could have been cardiomyopathy and high blood pressure), and thus they were vulnerable to Covid.
A very salient comment
I am inclined to think this is the case as well. Their appearance has that distinctive look.
Definitely sounds like it
I agree
If they had Acromegaly, their hands and feet would have been distorted by continued growth as well. They just got giant chin and cheek implants, injectable and repeated eye surgeries. And who knows what else.
I love going back and rewatching old Dr. Grande content. I've watched so many of his videos, my brain cannot possibly hold all this information, so I usually learn something "new" Lol
I read about them in Wikipedia some time ago. Yeah, they had a strange behaviour. Narcissism was their problem, not wanting to believe that they were very normal men, if not less. May they rest in peace for they were good entertainers on TV, and have put a big smile on French people's face for several decades.
Alas, poor Igor & Grishka, I remember them well. Their show was called "Temps X", and it was a weekly rendez-vous with me watching and my father ranting in the background about how inaccurate their science was. The positive point being that I could then ask him why and have some nice sciencey fatherly conversation. They were the only ones doing such a show then, and I believe they did inspire a lot (well, at least, some) people to take on a scientific career, which can't be bad. What happened after was incomprehensible to me, but by then they had faded away so I - and many others - didn't really care. And I think that there lied the problem.
On another note, what I can't understand is how a university can allow ten years for a PhD, knowing that rules here (France) in public unis are very strict regarding how it's done and and how long it takes. It's supposed to last three years. A fourth year requires *very* good reasons, a fifth is a rarity. I used to think it might have been some private pseudo uni, possibly off EU, in a country with looser rules, but no. It's French and public alright. Knowing how hard it is to enter a doctoral school here, the grades requirement, and the number of perfectly capable students that get rejected, it simply doesn't make sense and never should have happened. Given the way selection goes, they shouldn't even have reached the Master level. /rant
But you know how it goes:
1) getting a uni & doctoral advisor is easier for them because they are self funded = no grant proposals to write etc.
2) once they have a uni and an advisor, both the uni and the advisor have an interest in not failing them, because failing (phd) students always makes them look bad - especially if it takes them more than a year to figure out.
this is even worse with public figures, because they probably have more money to first appeal a uni's decision if it is not to their liking and at some point the regular media get involved.
(and they won't for the average phd dropout).
so, therefore, the 1999/2002 phd board members probably thought this is the easiest way to deal with the problem: give them a minimal passing grade, and they will go away.
And I guess that would have worked e.g. 10-20 years earlier, if it wasn't for their continued vanity and the internet.
They became “professional students” :) lol
Dr Grande, I’ve been watching for a few years now. I’ve gone through a lot of my own struggles with mental health and addiction, and continue to work every day at those issues. I have become fascinated with personality, mental health, and addiction. Not only do I really appreciate what you do, but I appreciate how you do it. You are consistent, organized, and so insightful. Between this channel and the Bella Grande Media channel, I am consistently impressed with how much research and commentary that is truly interesting you (and Mike and Jeff on Bella Grande) are able to present to your viewers in such a down to earth, but interesting way. I commend you so much for the work that you do, and the way that you do it. You are absolutely the best channel I have ever found on CZcams. I’d love for you to do some videos on addictions/therapeutic techniques (probably on Bella Grande), I don’t see much on the channel about addiction but I’m aware that you have a lot of experience and have potentially a lot to offer to us. It’s people like you that have made my personal journey one I’m willing to work for, and your work is so important, both on CZcams and in the real world. Thank you so much for what you do.
Mitchell Rothstein
I concur 100%! Good luck on your journey, friend; you can do it, you are worth it!
I really appreciate your openness Mitchell! Good luck on your journey. I’m on a mental health journey as well. 👍🏾🙌🏾
Yes, please do that. I concur 100%
AGREED
I predict a number of snow storms in January and people being glued to CZcams waiting for Doctor Grande to upload. You will be up to 1 million subscribers by the 1st of February, also my prediction.
What's unfortunate is that before the PHD debacle they really had it all, came from a wealthy background, educated, charismatic, talented, successful, famous, good-looking, successful, admired. They had it all. Now they're a cautionary tale.
Shame on the university who granted them their degrees. Many of us work for years making great sacrifices to rightfully earn our credentials. Same to the "scientific" journals that undermine those doing real research by puclishing garbage (noting that this happens all of the time).
I had never heard of these guys, and started watching this video thinking it would be good for a laugh.
The ghastly cautionary tale that it subsequently turned into made watching it even more worthwhile.
I love how you keep explaining their scam academic education issues, while starting to show this "caricature" photos, without yet saying about their eager to "body improvements" yet. This is what I call best teaser. Bravo!
Body dysmorphia is a crazy thing. I once asked a doctor to remove my uterus because I didn't like the little bump at the bottom of my stomach. I was 22. It will make you do crazy shit. Body dysmorphia sounds right here
Those papers could be bought and sold not to mention multiple prank papers that not only were published but also won the magazine's yearly award. A horse can get a PhD if said horse has a sponsor these days
I don’t understand how one can pretend to be what they are not! My husband got his PhD in Nuclear Physics at age 24 with honors. He and many other scientists are very humble people!
Your husband was an early and successful achiever. It is those who are not so talented or successful and who may have the pressure of the society they are in that are pressuring them unduly, or even their own perceptions of what is expected of them, that feel they must pretend to be what/who they aren't. It isn't hard to understand if you put yourself in the position of considering what you are NOT talented at, think what your world would be like if your weakest talent was held in the highest esteem in your society, and to be shunned as inadequate and insufficient as you are not achieving the successes that are expected and admired.
“They were the scientific version of the Kardashian family.” Wow.
How did they go from 'we thought they at least deserved a diploma' to 'we gave them each a PhD'??
It is wierd when you suddenly make deadpan jokes in the middle of your very serious talk. I like it!
These two brothers definitely deserve one science award - Darwin's award
More like frankie science award.
Hey, over 800k people have died in America due to COVID.
Seems like they'd have to give out many Darwin awards these days.
And at least putting in ten years at uni-regardless of whether or not you learned anything-requires actual work.
@@TruppDriscoll Died due to covid or with covid ?
@@TruppDriscollYour comment aged like milk.
@@TruppDriscolllol, a Darwin Award isn’t for dying, it’s for doing something stoopid - like refusing vaccinations on the middle of a pandemic - and that causing your death.
When I look at them and consider their histories, all I can think is that there is an emptiness inside and a dependency on outside approval for adoration. It seems quite distorted: their thought processes and distortion of the believability in the authenticity of their outward appearances. I just wonder about their childhood. What happened?
Narcissism happened.
Exactly. There is trauma there...
they pass their leaving cert at the age of 14, they spoke 5 languages, they excelled at plying guitare and banjo, they could fly an helicopter, they where very beautiful, very aristocratic, extremely well spoken. very successful writer. extremely kind to everyone, they where extremely entertaining amusing and plaisant. in France we just love them. it would take a very long time to explain their problems with various court cases which is not what appears on paper on what some people want to make of it. Dr Grande have you meet with them?????? did you ever talk with them????? had you accès to their files and court cases files??????
The brothers ‘stumbled on a big sale of fun house mirrors ‘ 😂 😂
Anyone else remember first knowing about these two when they "presented" the French translations of the Doctor Who novelizations! You can thank them for helping bring that show as well as US shows like Star Trek and the Twilight Zone to France!
Les combinaisons aluminium de temps X, toute mon enfance !
They were the clingons lol
No. You can thank them. I think that they were freaks
Merci enfin un bon commentaire
@@daveatkins3568 We need more freaks in the world and less assholes!
I always find that if you age gracefully your pretty enough. There are some examples when its needed but im sure if these two gents didnt go under the scalpel they would have been pretty enough.
They would never be "pretty".LOL They were semi good looking when young.The blown up face look didn't work too well for them.I've never heard of these two before Interesting case.
The only way to age gracefully is to accept it.
@@kristinamullen4066 Semi? They were dreamboats. The only semi involved is mine.
You would never dare speak I’ll of the brothers while they still drew breath!
I really dig this Dr. He absolutely cares about what he does.