As an old-school sign painter working in the trades many years, this was the most giving and forthright demo I have seen from a fellow tradesman. When I was coming up, you had to catch a journeyman at the moment they were doing the job to get this information packed "goldmine" of tip and tricks for engine-turned surface gilding. Thanks so much!
thanks Randy, yes there was and is nothing like being in the same room with a teacher hands on. You also miss the smell of the enamel and thinners of the shop. thank you for your kind words.
So cool! I’ve done more gold than most sign painters, doing gold on 40 plus Cable Cars (3 boxes per car) for SF,Hawaii, Japan, all over the us & Canada but never had a tutorial! It’s been years but about to go out and put some gold on some carved letters and this was a great refresher course! Thank you!!!
Thanks for taking the time and materials to show the difference between too soon and too long. I'm getting more and more requests for gold leaf all the time and resources such as this definitely help with the learning curve.
Really appreciate the demonstration of right and wrong, and why certain things are happening. The other videos I’ve watched, only show you the right way to do it, so when you do inevitably make mistakes, you don’t why they happened, or what caused them. 👌
Sorry for the ads on my video. I do NOT get compensation for them and have been trying to get them stopped. As you would imagine CZcams does not make it easy ha ha!!!
Kudos, sir. It is excellent when someone uses their time and resources to illustrate errors as well as perfection. In learning, it seems one gains more from the evidential contrast of an error compared to something done well. Thank you very much for imparting your time and expertise.
Thank you Drew! yeah, I tell my kids all the time "don't regret mistakes, they teach you more about your journey than some successes". we are all human.
I think it will work! small detail isn't for everyone but if you like that sort of thing I imagine you will do just fine. I like the detail of things and letting time get lost in the process. good luck!
I am not exactly sure what you mean but here is some information. the gold size is the glue that holds the gold leaf to the surface. it has to be underneath the gold leaf so it sticks to the surface. if for some reason you want to remove some gold leaf off the surface you can use paint thinner to take it off, just make sure the surface you are working on will not also come off with paint thinner if that did not answer your questions, keep then coming until I get it.
Hello from Italy. Great explanation. Is the size specific to vehicle jobs? Or is classic oil based size used for wood frame gilding? Thank you for sharing
From Italy? that is super cool! To answer your question: Quick size is used on things you are going to clear. I clear gold if it is going to be touched like a Truck doors. I use slow size for signs and do not clear it. The reason I do not clear it is slow size/ gold leaf will last for decades while clear at best will only last a few years. Clearing signs (that will not be handled regularly) will decrease the life of the gold as it breaks down and flakes off. Hope that answered your question
@@PinstripingbyPaulTucker Cool as USA pin striping and gold leafed signs 🤣 Unfortunately here in Italy both of these arts are not used like in the States, but classic gold leafing with bolo is used for restoring old pieces. I’m a restorer btw. Your answer is “ clear” 😂 Thanks buddy Are you on Instagram?
@@JunkWorkshop yes I am @signlogicpaul Hopefully when we can travel safely I will be in Italy again. Loved your countries hospitality and ability to talk to me in English when I needed. I tried To speak Italian but got worse each day🤷🏻♂️. Thanks again, healthy wishes.
Alex Cervantas you really have to feel it. It is controlled by temperature and dryness in the air. Rub your knuckle lightly on gold size. It should be tacky, not wet. Don’t worry, just do a few test squares and you will get it!
gold sticks to anything tacky. Real gold size has a controlled "open time" (when the gold will stick nicely, not too wet, not too dry. My thinking is the sprayed paint will have a shorter less predictable time, if any. try it out on scrap, if it works then you are "golden"!!! of course you need to clear over that too.
Can this be clear coated after? I want to gold leaf a canoe and concerned about lasting! Was the leaf you used 24K or imitation. Gets a little pricy if I’m learning with the real McCoy. Thanks much!
yes you can clear over it if you use quick size. the real gold is way easier to use and the results are better. try 23k gold and it will look like 24k. it cost a bit but the result of real gold and learning curve is worth it.
ok i have to do a guitar neck its gonna just have tghe paint removed so i can do the guilding and then spray a trans red over that its gonna be a local bands name so i have the glue that micheals crtaft sells thier brand but i have had issues in the past were the gold dioes not stck in aresa. so should i use a dif brand of glue?
Hello, Robert, If you’re going to do gold leaf in the area where the paint is it all just cover over the pain so you don’t need to have it removed. It would be a great base for the gold sides to be on you want to make sure you’re using gold size not any other type of glue. I would use quick size in this case. One place to get that is www.letterheadssignsupply.com they are super helpful also and you can call them too.
Great video! I want to put a gold leaf stripe on a guitar body that I am painting and plan on doing some practice. Would I be better off to use the quick drying or slow drying Luco? What is the timing window for best leaf application when using the slow sizing?
anything you will be touching or cleaning after the job is done would use quick size and then clear coat. quick size has a short window (under a half hour) and slow size would have a hour or more open time for you to apply the gold leaf. good luck with your project!
Hi sorry for the delay I did not see this question. slow size all the way! if you are going to clear the gold it has to be slow size. you will need to clear it to protect it from scratching while playing. that should look way cool!
@@PinstripingbyPaulTucker hi bro good day, why the effect is fading once i start put some clearcoat on it , it was awesome i achieve the perfect circle on it then when i start put the clearcoat then they start to fading the effect T_T
@@roelroble1986 good day to you! great to hear from you on this. yes, the clearcoat diminishes the effect slightly because the shine has to travel through the clearcoat. it also sometimes makes the gold a deeper tone. in the sun it will be just as nice as you thought it was originally. if you are using it for art that will not be touched do not clear it if you like the original effect. if it is going to be touched, washed, or on a vehicle, make sure to clear it. take care
I watched your vid and afterwards I actually made some great looking samples. I am using silver since gold is so pricey. Question: what material should I practice on? Question 2: how would I apply gold leaf to a material that is slightly absorbant, like wood? Does it need to be sealed first to prevent the size from being absorbed? I'm assuming the surfaces need to be smooth for turning.
Nicholas Hornyak aluminum I am using in video comes pre-painted sheets. Nice and smooth. You can find them typically in 4x8 sheets from sign suppliers. Then sheared into smaller pieces to practice. Sign shops may have scrap cutoffs for sale too.
@@PinstripingbyPaulTuckerGood idea and thank you! I have a whole coil leftover from a roofing project I did around the house here. I forgot it has a nice coating on it. Could you explain your normal routine for doing leafing for a job? Do you do physical things in between while waiting for the size to set up? Or do you say, check email etc, in between. Or do you watch it like a hawk? It seems I am always missing my window...but young kids tend to distract me...
Great video - Sir!! I wish you did that service for hire.. So how durable would this be in leather debossing, if it were sealed with a coating lacquer afterwards? I thought about using guilders paste, but I am not very familiar with any of this stuff.. I just restored an old shell cordovan razor strop and it has a debossing stamp at the top and the bottom and had Gold leaf in it, but when I cleaned it up the leafing came out, it did manage to stay all in the debossing for almost 100 years, but I had to give the strop a deep clean because it was filthy.
Thank you! I am not familiar with the gold leaf on leather. But I would imagine if you made it so the top was not porous by putting some sort of coat on it. Then it would be like any other surface and you could gold leaf it. Maybe somebody reading this will chime in also that knows a little bit more about leather. Good luck!
Great video!!!! Only thing is yes. You showed to early. Just right. And too late. My question. Is what is time frame. ???? Did you leave hour between each. ???? Yes each is going to be different based on environment. But in general. Once you get to just right. How long untill too long? To do a 2inch strip down body line of vehicle. Does it dry by time I apply gold. And start at one end. Or how long is the "window" to apply and have time to work the gold?
typically the time for just right is about an hour with quick size. the weather has a lot to do with it too that is why you need to test with the back of your finger. time is a reference but the squeak tells all! you get used to seeing if your finger sticks too much and you know you need to wait. if too little then you should have checked sooner. I set an alarm on my phone for an hour then start checking about every 5 minutes. open time for quick size will vary but usually as you brush it on you are kind of staggering the drying time. typically I start leafing where I started painting the size on and follow the same pattern I did applying the size. good luck!
@@PinstripingbyPaulTucker Yes I thought of that. To start at same area same direction. So it about about an hour around. Yes I can apply leaf that fast. But is there any time frame on the turning? Just laying leaf on is near instant But a 3 inch strip down a vehicle will take some time to turn from one end to the other. Or once leaf is on. That's fine. Or I need to turn as soon as its applied?
For the engine turning it needs to be 24k gold or it can be less or the fake gold also? Are you doing the engine turning right after you place the leaf or can you wait? Thanks.
the higher the K the softer it seems to be. I use 22, 23 and 24k gold leaf along with white gold and aluminum leaf. aluminum leaf is harder to get a good engine turn on. I have not tried fake gold but I assume it is a lot like the aluminum leaf. try easy at first and then push it on down if the size is allowing the pressure.
Just try to find the softest most plush velvet you can. Mine is old curtains from a home my teacher moved into! the goal is to make the engine turn in the gold without being so abrasive it burns through into the gold size (glue).
Pop question from one sign man to another. If I lay patent gold inside a window (graphic backwards) and wait the proper time for a quick size set, will engine-turned effect be visible on outside of glass as well as on the inside? I can burn a sheet or two as you have done in your demo. Just wondering in lieu of a test whether you have ever tried this.
I really do not know. I assume you would back up the gold with black enamal to protect it so I would say not at all. also gold size will "cloud" the view of the gold through the glass. if you do it let me know the result.
I did the experiment on a 6"x 6" glass sheet using a single sheet of patent gold, following your timeline to the letter and gave it a few extra minutes as well, so about an hour and change. You are absolutely right about the color not being as bright but the engine turned effect is the same on both sides of the glass!! I would not really call the color cloudy so much as more amber colored as a result of the quick size being that color. See what you think: [tone-mark.com/Patent gold-Engine-Turned-on glass-Gilt Side.jpg] and [tone-mark.com/Patent gold-Engine-Turned-on glass-Glass Side.jpg] Paul, thanks so much again for this awesome tutorial. This was my first attempt and I am extremely pleased with having a new weapon in my hand-painting arsenal!
@@PinstripingbyPaulTucker "Do not clear it and it will last forever"....sooo, funny you say this. I did a monument sign for an auto body shop 15 years ago, I did a smalts background on the panel & we had gold leaf prismatic letters done to go on it. we didn't get the letters installed the same day, & left them at his shop. We returned the following day to find he had his painter clearcoat the letters. I told him that was a bad idea. today the gold looks great besides the fact the clearcoat is peeling off the letters. 23K Gold on a sign does not require a clearcoat.
yes you can clear over the gold for leaf on a car. In fact, you must clear over any gold that you will be touching or washing regularly. The gold is soft and any mild abrasion will mark it or modify it's look. you can go to a supplier for car paint and get a two stage clear (one you mix a hardener in the paint) and you can either brush it on or spray it on depending on what equipment you have and the size of the gold area. I typically brush it on. try a few samples to make sure you are familiar with the feel and effect of the clear. if you are clearing you must use quick size or the gold will wrinkle under the clear. good luck! thank you for writing.
No, the velvet is not necessary. Only if you want the engine turn effect. You can leave it smooth without turning. It’s a different look that’s all. Thank you for asking!
I am having a lot of trouble getting mine to turn and look good. when I use soft material like velvet I dont get any at all. Is it the leaf itself? I have tried multiple different dry times with no luck. Any suggestion? was your leaf real gold? Is the Mona lisa size ok? it doesnt say fast or slow
ok something is wrong. let's try and narrow it down. I am not familiar with that gold size but let's assume it is good and we can go back if all else fails. 1- use real 22 or 23k gold leaf. intimation leaf is too hard to get a good turn with. 2- make a large patch or stripe. put a bit of gold on a little early and give it a spin. see if you burn through or at least make a turn. 3- put gold on another part of that patch and tru again. 4- keep going until you see proper tack vs proper force on the velvet. you should be good to go! If this doesn't work buy another brand of gold size and see if that's the problem. look up www.letterheadsignsupply.com/ if they have it, its good stuff. good luck!!!
I am not sure what you mean by "up the fake gold paint" but I do know how much real gold cost. it can vary between $45.00 to 65.00 a book. a book is 25 sheets of 3.375 x 3.75 gold leaf. The price is dependent on the cost of gold and the amount of books you buy.
I am not familiar with Jesmonite but just looked it up. My thinking is maybe the fact that it is water based? Two things to try, using real gold should be a solution or clear the gold with automotive clear before the jesmonite? I would think oxidation of some sort is the culprit and real gold would eliminate that. Good luck! Let me know the outcome
Sorry for the delay I did not see you commented. I get mine at Easyleafproducts.com I have been liking the 22k gold and using their own brand, it has ELP on the packaging.
I responded to your other message but just in case check out www.letterheadsignsupply.com/ there is a bunch of them but I know these guys have what you need.
@@PinstripingbyPaulTucker Yea these guys have everything! I looked every where on the internet and I never ran across these guys! Thank you for your help and advice! I'll keep you updated on what I have done! Thank you for giving us this trick and example! I would love to keep this craft alive!
I can't imagine "used" gold. once it goes on the surface the part that is not stuck to the glue/sizing turns to powder. If it was just hanging around and someone is selling it "used" then it is fine and perhaps great! older stuff can be nice quality.
Thanks for the help. I keep burning thru my composition leaf with my velvet/socket head turning tool. I picked up a 5000 Grit SP tool and I'll try some vintage 23K leaf using it next time.@@PinstripingbyPaulTucker
@@AbbandonLOD composition leaf is really hard to engine turn. Gold leaf is soft and malleable so it reacts easier to the velvet. also variegated is impossible to engine turn
quick size by luco I have no problem with clearcoat. sometimes if put i put on too much too soon it wrinkles the size but if you brush on clearcoat tr not to flood it, or spray clearcoat try a dry coat to seal it in first then a nice gloss coat.
@@Mosey410 looked for my video I did for a facebook question. weirdly can not find it but I will do one this winter, this is our busy time of year. here's something to keep in mind in the meantime. if you drag the velvet straight down it is the darkest effect. straight across is the lightest effect and 45 degrees down to the right or left gives you a middle tone. a letter "I" for example would have a straight across on top, straight down on bottom and 45 down to the left on the left and down to the right on the right. I protect the areas I do not want effected with a piece of paper (cut to shape if need be) good luck!
As an old-school sign painter working in the trades many years, this was the most giving and forthright demo I have seen from a fellow tradesman. When I was coming up, you had to catch a journeyman at the moment they were doing the job to get this information packed "goldmine" of tip and tricks for engine-turned surface gilding. Thanks so much!
thanks Randy, yes there was and is nothing like being in the same room with a teacher hands on. You also miss the smell of the enamel and thinners of the shop. thank you for your kind words.
So cool! I’ve done more gold than most sign painters, doing gold on 40 plus Cable Cars (3 boxes per car) for SF,Hawaii, Japan, all over the us & Canada but never had a tutorial! It’s been years but about to go out and put some gold on some carved letters and this was a great refresher course! Thank you!!!
Ken , that’s awesome to hear. Thank you and mostly… have fun
This is one of the only instructional videos where I didn't want to kill myself. That's a compliment.
I WILL take that as a compliment! Thank You
Geeze, that explains so much about why I have experienced the problems I’ve had!
Roly, glad I could help.
Thanks for taking the time and materials to show the difference between too soon and too long. I'm getting more and more requests for gold leaf all the time and resources such as this definitely help with the learning curve.
This was awesome and informative , I’m a first timer , gold lettering 1940’s metal sled And I found your video very helpful ty
Thanks for sharing. I've been working on leafing and getting close but this surely helps me know specifically what to work on.
Great video. Looking forward to working on some projects.
Excellent video and clear explanation. Thank you
Fantastic video, thanks for sharing your superb skills 👍
this is excellent. thanks heaps for taking the time to upload
I'm just beginning to learn how to pinstripe and was going to try gold leaf thanks for the videos thanks Dewayne
Thanks for sharing. It’s a real cool look
Thanks. That answered a few of my questions
Great video and always a little tip one can pick up. Thx. Well explained
I always wondered how that was done. Thanks!
Thanks for sharing, that was a really nice explanation
Wonderful, straightforward video. Many thanks for sharing your knowledge and taking the time to make this video!
thank you Joanne
Really appreciate the demonstration of right and wrong, and why certain things are happening. The other videos I’ve watched, only show you the right way to do it, so when you do inevitably make mistakes, you don’t why they happened, or what caused them. 👌
sean ferguson mistakes are the best learning tool. If you understand what happened. Thank you for your comment.
This is the most informative video about the use abd missuse of golf leaf appliance. Thanks a lot for your time
hrdcrecords you’re welcome! I went to art school in Boston for sign painting. I found my calling there and I want to help others enjoy this also 👍
Amazing video!
Great video, thank you!!!
Thanks for the vid real informative
Wow. Awesome step by step. Thank you
Juan Gonzales thank you!
Very helpful ! thx for taking the time .
David Nuzzaci you’re welcome
ONE OF THE BEST INFORMATIVE VIDEO ON PROCEDURE. MANY THANKS FOR SHARING.
thank you Todd
Sorry for the ads on my video. I do NOT get compensation for them and have been trying to get them stopped. As you would imagine CZcams does not make it easy ha ha!!!
That s really helpful thank you for get this video out 👍🏻
thank you!
Very helpful, many thanks 🙏🏼
You’re welcome Phil. Thank you
Great video! Thanks
thank you!
Much appreciated Paul!
Thank you!
Kudos, sir. It is excellent when someone uses their time and resources to illustrate errors as well as perfection. In learning, it seems one gains more from the evidential contrast of an error compared to something done well. Thank you very much for imparting your time and expertise.
Thank you Drew! yeah, I tell my kids all the time "don't regret mistakes, they teach you more about your journey than some successes". we are all human.
Beginner here. Thanks for the great lesson!
good luck, once you get this down it is very enjoyable to do
Great help thank you.
thank you!
excellent video!
cocacolafiesta thank you!!
Very helpful video dude thanks 😁😁🤘🤘
you're welcome, new video coming out soon.
Thank you!
i kinda like the last look, it has a Gustav Klimt feel to it.
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Thx, keep filming!
I have a pinstripe video close to unveiling! 23k gold and pinstripes. Thank you for the interest.
Thanks
it simplified gold leafing for sure! i want to do an rc rock crawler as a fire truck, hope its just not too small a body. thank you.
I think it will work! small detail isn't for everyone but if you like that sort of thing I imagine you will do just fine. I like the detail of things and letting time get lost in the process. good luck!
Thank you
You are welcome!
Great video! Thank you so much for posting!
BUT what if there is size adhesive under the leaf??? How do you remove it? Thx!
I am not exactly sure what you mean but here is some information. the gold size is the glue that holds the gold leaf to the surface. it has to be underneath the gold leaf so it sticks to the surface.
if for some reason you want to remove some gold leaf off the surface you can use paint thinner to take it off, just make sure the surface you are working on will not also come off with paint thinner
if that did not answer your questions, keep then coming until I get it.
What kind of gold leaf are you using?? When your done you use clear coat for cars or the glaze coat it comes with the kit??
This is very helpful. I'm tryina get mirror finishes down to a science but struggling.
The more you do it the more you understand the process. Just keep going!
@@PinstripingbyPaulTucker appreciate it man. Stay up. 🤙
Hello from Italy. Great explanation. Is the size specific to vehicle jobs? Or is classic oil based size used for wood frame gilding? Thank you for sharing
From Italy? that is super cool! To answer your question: Quick size is used on things you are going to clear. I clear gold if it is going to be touched like a Truck doors. I use slow size for signs and do not clear it. The reason I do not clear it is slow size/ gold leaf will last for decades while clear at best will only last a few years. Clearing signs (that will not be handled regularly) will decrease the life of the gold as it breaks down and flakes off. Hope that answered your question
@@PinstripingbyPaulTucker Cool as USA pin striping and gold leafed signs 🤣 Unfortunately here in Italy both of these arts are not used like in the States, but classic gold leafing with bolo is used for restoring old pieces. I’m a restorer btw. Your answer is “ clear” 😂 Thanks buddy
Are you on Instagram?
@@JunkWorkshop yes I am @signlogicpaul Hopefully when we can travel safely I will be in Italy again. Loved your countries hospitality and ability to talk to me in English when I needed. I tried To speak Italian but got worse each day🤷🏻♂️. Thanks again, healthy wishes.
@@PinstripingbyPaulTucker I hope you will. Nice to hear buddy. Italian grammar is a beast ahah
Is there some kind of website you can post on where to get the spinning tools and the 23 karat gold leaf and so long
www.letterheadsignsupply.com/
There are many places but these guys answer the phone and help you if you have questions. Check it out.
How long do I wait for the goalie for glue to dry before applying and twisting what kind of glue do I use
Alex Cervantas you really have to feel it. It is controlled by temperature and dryness in the air. Rub your knuckle lightly on gold size. It should be tacky, not wet.
Don’t worry, just do a few test squares and you will get it!
You can use Imitation gold leaf right? I really like the swirling so cool love it!
Real gold 22-23 karat is softer and easier to engine turn. Imitation will turn but the effect will be less noticeable.
If I'm using an air brush on my motorcycle can I lay down some gold base then just lay the gold while the paint is tacky?
gold sticks to anything tacky. Real gold size has a controlled "open time" (when the gold will stick nicely, not too wet, not too dry. My thinking is the sprayed paint will have a shorter less predictable time, if any. try it out on scrap, if it works then you are "golden"!!! of course you need to clear over that too.
Can this be clear coated after? I want to gold leaf a canoe and concerned about lasting! Was the leaf you used 24K or imitation. Gets a little pricy if I’m learning with the real McCoy. Thanks much!
yes you can clear over it if you use quick size. the real gold is way easier to use and the results are better. try 23k gold and it will look like 24k.
it cost a bit but the result of real gold and learning curve is worth it.
ok i have to do a guitar neck its gonna just have tghe paint removed so i can do the guilding and then spray a trans red over that its gonna be a local bands name so i have the glue that micheals crtaft sells thier brand but i have had issues in the past were the gold dioes not stck in aresa. so should i use a dif brand of glue?
Hello, Robert,
If you’re going to do gold leaf in the area where the paint is it all just cover over the pain so you don’t need to have it removed. It would be a great base for the gold sides to be on
you want to make sure you’re using gold size not any other type of glue. I would use quick size in this case.
One place to get that is www.letterheadssignsupply.com they are super helpful also and you can call them too.
@@PinstripingbyPaulTucker thank you yeah the miachels craft their branded items well let's say a goat could manufacture better items ..
@@robertscott3399 well said!🤣
Great video! I want to put a gold leaf stripe on a guitar body that I am painting and plan on doing some practice. Would I be better off to use the quick drying or slow drying Luco? What is the timing window for best leaf application when using the slow sizing?
anything you will be touching or cleaning after the job is done would use quick size and then clear coat. quick size has a short window (under a half hour) and slow size would have a hour or more open time for you to apply the gold leaf. good luck with your project!
Hi sorry for the delay I did not see this question. slow size all the way! if you are going to clear the gold it has to be slow size. you will need to clear it to protect it from scratching while playing.
that should look way cool!
@@PinstripingbyPaulTucker hi bro good day, why the effect is fading once i start put some clearcoat on it , it was awesome i achieve the perfect circle on it then when i start put the clearcoat then they start to fading the effect T_T
@@roelroble1986 good day to you! great to hear from you on this. yes, the clearcoat diminishes the effect slightly because the shine has to travel through the clearcoat. it also sometimes makes the gold a deeper tone. in the sun it will be just as nice as you thought it was originally. if you are using it for art that will not be touched do not clear it if you like the original effect. if it is going to be touched, washed, or on a vehicle, make sure to clear it.
take care
@@PinstripingbyPaulTucker Thanks for reply bro god blessed ^^,
I watched your vid and afterwards I actually made some great looking samples. I am using silver since gold is so pricey.
Question: what material should I practice on?
Question 2: how would I apply gold leaf to a material that is slightly absorbant, like wood? Does it need to be sealed first to prevent the size from being absorbed? I'm assuming the surfaces need to be smooth for turning.
Nicholas Hornyak aluminum I am using in video comes pre-painted sheets. Nice and smooth. You can find them typically in 4x8 sheets from sign suppliers. Then sheared into smaller pieces to practice. Sign shops may have scrap cutoffs for sale too.
@@PinstripingbyPaulTuckerGood idea and thank you! I have a whole coil leftover from a roofing project I did around the house here. I forgot it has a nice coating on it.
Could you explain your normal routine for doing leafing for a job? Do you do physical things in between while waiting for the size to set up? Or do you say, check email etc, in between. Or do you watch it like a hawk? It seems I am always missing my window...but young kids tend to distract me...
@@nicholashornyak3771 i set a timer for an hour and then after that check it every 10 minutes. I get distracted at work so I set a timer on my phone.
Great video - Sir!!
I wish you did that service for hire.. So how durable would this be in leather debossing, if it were sealed with a coating lacquer afterwards? I thought about using guilders paste, but I am not very familiar with any of this stuff..
I just restored an old shell cordovan razor strop and it has a debossing stamp at the top and the bottom and had Gold leaf in it, but when I cleaned it up the leafing came out, it did manage to stay all in the debossing for almost 100 years, but I had to give the strop a deep clean because it was filthy.
Thank you! I am not familiar with the gold leaf on leather. But I would imagine if you made it so the top was not porous by putting some sort of coat on it. Then it would be like any other surface and you could gold leaf it. Maybe somebody reading this will chime in also that knows a little bit more about leather.
Good luck!
@@PinstripingbyPaulTucker Thanks. Shell cordovan is not very porous it's very dense..
@@michaelshults7675 perfect! let me know how it goes.
Is the velvet, and cotton on some kind of handle?
Hi Rudy, no the velvet is draped over the cotton then the elastic is around the "bunched" fabric and it makes a rigid area to hold on to.
Great video!!!!
Only thing is yes. You showed to early. Just right. And too late.
My question. Is what is time frame. ????
Did you leave hour between each. ????
Yes each is going to be different based on environment.
But in general. Once you get to just right.
How long untill too long?
To do a 2inch strip down body line of vehicle. Does it dry by time I apply gold. And start at one end.
Or how long is the "window" to apply and have time to work the gold?
typically the time for just right is about an hour with quick size. the weather has a lot to do with it too that is why you need to test with the back of your finger. time is a reference but the squeak tells all! you get used to seeing if your finger sticks too much and you know you need to wait. if too little then you should have checked sooner. I set an alarm on my phone for an hour then start checking about every 5 minutes.
open time for quick size will vary but usually as you brush it on you are kind of staggering the drying time. typically I start leafing where I started painting the size on and follow the same pattern I did applying the size.
good luck!
@@PinstripingbyPaulTucker
Yes I thought of that. To start at same area same direction.
So it about about an hour around. Yes I can apply leaf that fast. But is there any time frame on the turning?
Just laying leaf on is near instant
But a 3 inch strip down a vehicle will take some time to turn from one end to the other.
Or once leaf is on. That's fine. Or I need to turn as soon as its applied?
For the engine turning it needs to be 24k gold or it can be less or the fake gold also? Are you doing the engine turning right after you place the leaf or can you wait? Thanks.
the higher the K the softer it seems to be. I use 22, 23 and 24k gold leaf along with white gold and aluminum leaf. aluminum leaf is harder to get a good engine turn on. I have not tried fake gold but I assume it is a lot like the aluminum leaf. try easy at first and then push it on down if the size is allowing the pressure.
@@PinstripingbyPaulTucker Thanks
What type of velvet should you use or does it matter?
Just try to find the softest most plush velvet you can. Mine is old curtains from a home my teacher moved into! the goal is to make the engine turn in the gold without being so abrasive it burns through into the gold size (glue).
Pop question from one sign man to another. If I lay patent gold inside a window (graphic backwards) and wait the proper time for a quick size set, will engine-turned effect be visible on outside of glass as well as on the inside? I can burn a sheet or two as you have done in your demo. Just wondering in lieu of a test whether you have ever tried this.
I really do not know. I assume you would back up the gold with black enamal to protect it so I would say not at all. also gold size will "cloud" the view of the gold through the glass.
if you do it let me know the result.
I did the experiment on a 6"x 6" glass sheet using a single sheet of patent gold, following your timeline to the letter and gave it a few extra minutes as well, so about an hour and change. You are absolutely right about the color not being as bright but the engine turned effect is the same on both sides of the glass!! I would not really call the color cloudy so much as more amber colored as a result of the quick size being that color. See what you think: [tone-mark.com/Patent gold-Engine-Turned-on glass-Gilt Side.jpg] and [tone-mark.com/Patent gold-Engine-Turned-on glass-Glass Side.jpg]
Paul, thanks so much again for this awesome tutorial. This was my first attempt and I am extremely pleased with having a new weapon in my hand-painting arsenal!
Can you give a demo on a wood carving sign that will be located outdoors?
boat buddy it’s actually the exact same. Use slow size, wait 12 +/- hours and put your gold on. Do not clear it and it will last forever.
Good luck!
@@PinstripingbyPaulTucker Thank you.
@@PinstripingbyPaulTucker "Do not clear it and it will last forever"....sooo, funny you say this. I did a monument sign for an auto body shop 15 years ago, I did a smalts background on the panel & we had gold leaf prismatic letters done to go on it. we didn't get the letters installed the same day, & left them at his shop. We returned the following day to find he had his painter clearcoat the letters. I told him that was a bad idea. today the gold looks great besides the fact the clearcoat is peeling off the letters.
23K Gold on a sign does not require a clearcoat.
where do u get the luco and gold leaf at
easyleafproducts.nnigroup.com/
this or Letterheads sign supply. Any brand of size they have will do.
Can I want to know how can I clearcot over the leaf on the car ?? Do I have to or no ?? If yes how and what to us . Thanks
yes you can clear over the gold for leaf on a car. In fact, you must clear over any gold that you will be touching or washing regularly. The gold is soft and any mild abrasion will mark it or modify it's look. you can go to a supplier for car paint and get a two stage clear (one you mix a hardener in the paint) and you can either brush it on or spray it on depending on what equipment you have and the size of the gold area. I typically brush it on. try a few samples to make sure you are familiar with the feel and effect of the clear. if you are clearing you must use quick size or the gold will wrinkle under the clear.
good luck! thank you for writing.
Thank you so much
Is the process with the velvet ball necessary sir ?
No, the velvet is not necessary. Only if you want the engine turn effect. You can leave it smooth without turning. It’s a different look that’s all.
Thank you for asking!
Hey are you using a GoPro to film this?
yes I was using a gopro 4 silver. after this I bought an external microphone!
Thanks, I needed to know this.
You are welcome!
I am having a lot of trouble getting mine to turn and look good. when I use soft material like velvet I dont get any at all. Is it the leaf itself? I have tried multiple different dry times with no luck. Any suggestion? was your leaf real gold? Is the Mona lisa size ok? it doesnt say fast or slow
ok something is wrong. let's try and narrow it down.
I am not familiar with that gold size but let's assume it is good and we can go back if all else fails.
1- use real 22 or 23k gold leaf. intimation leaf is too hard to get a good turn with.
2- make a large patch or stripe. put a bit of gold on a little early and give it a spin. see if you burn through or at least make a turn.
3- put gold on another part of that patch and tru again.
4- keep going until you see proper tack vs proper force on the velvet.
you should be good to go! If this doesn't work buy another brand of gold size and see if that's the problem.
look up www.letterheadsignsupply.com/
if they have it, its good stuff.
good luck!!!
@@PinstripingbyPaulTucker oh no! no imitation 🙁 maybe velveteen instead of velvet would work on the imitation gold🤔 it’s a bit stiffer and shorter cut
I've seen bare cotton balls used. Does that not work?
Veritas et Aequitas no it does not (effectively). The velvet is more consistent and textured. Cotton just to wipe off excess gold.
I would like to know y did you have to up the fake gold paint Whats the reason for that ?? And how much does real gold leaf cost
I am not sure what you mean by "up the fake gold paint" but I do know how much real gold cost. it can vary between $45.00 to 65.00 a book. a book is 25 sheets of 3.375 x 3.75 gold leaf. The price is dependent on the cost of gold and the amount of books you buy.
Ok thank you so much
Se ra poder verlo en español
lo siento, no sé español, pero sería increíble si alguien tradujera. Me encantaría ayudarte.
Hi I used gold leaf (not real) in jesmonite and it turned green how do I stop this?
I am not familiar with Jesmonite but just looked it up. My thinking is maybe the fact that it is water based?
Two things to try, using real gold should be a solution or clear the gold with automotive clear before the jesmonite? I would think oxidation of some sort is the culprit and real gold would eliminate that.
Good luck! Let me know the outcome
@@PinstripingbyPaulTucker thank you I will give it a try :)
Where do you purchase your gold leaf ?
Sorry for the delay I did not see you commented.
I get mine at Easyleafproducts.com
I have been liking the 22k gold and using their own brand, it has ELP on the packaging.
Hello! I cant find any size! Definitely no one shot all on back order! Where can I get some luck @ lol thank you!
I responded to your other message but just in case check out www.letterheadsignsupply.com/
there is a bunch of them but I know these guys have what you need.
@@PinstripingbyPaulTucker Yea these guys have everything! I looked every where on the internet and I never ran across these guys! Thank you for your help and advice! I'll keep you updated on what I have done! Thank you for giving us this trick and example! I would love to keep this craft alive!
Does it matter if composition leaf or 24K leaf is used?
I can't imagine "used" gold. once it goes on the surface the part that is not stuck to the glue/sizing turns to powder. If it was just hanging around and someone is selling it "used" then it is fine and perhaps great! older stuff can be nice quality.
Thanks for the help. I keep burning thru my composition leaf with my velvet/socket head turning tool. I picked up a 5000 Grit SP tool and I'll try some vintage 23K leaf using it next time.@@PinstripingbyPaulTucker
@@AbbandonLOD composition leaf is really hard to engine turn. Gold leaf is soft and malleable so it reacts easier to the velvet.
also variegated is impossible to engine turn
I’ve been trying the one shot and having issues. Is the luco good to automotive clear coat over?
quick size by luco I have no problem with clearcoat. sometimes if put i put on too much too soon it wrinkles the size but if you brush on clearcoat tr not to flood it, or spray clearcoat try a dry coat to seal it in first then a nice gloss coat.
Can you do one on split burnishing ?
Hi Robert, do you mean burnished to look like it is beveled? or two types of gold?
Pinstriping by Paul Tucker beveled
robert selsor I have one let me see if I can dig it up. If not, I will do one in the fall. I will notify you when I upload it.
Pinstriping by Paul Tucker thanks
@@Mosey410 looked for my video I did for a facebook question. weirdly can not find it but I will do one this winter, this is our busy time of year.
here's something to keep in mind in the meantime. if you drag the velvet straight down it is the darkest effect. straight across is the lightest effect and 45 degrees down to the right or left gives you a middle tone.
a letter "I" for example would have a straight across on top, straight down on bottom and 45 down to the left on the left and down to the right on the right.
I protect the areas I do not want effected with a piece of paper (cut to shape if need be)
good luck!
I have dux gold gilding and la gold gilding choices on Ebay everyone else is out of stock!
check out www.letterheadsignsupply.com/ they have everything you will need. I use a local supply company too.
@@PinstripingbyPaulTucker Thank you very much! I appreciate it! Thank you for responding! I'll check them out!