Celtics' 24-point loss vs. Cavs proves they "are not special," pay Jared Goff, not Tua | THE HERD
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- After snagging a Game 1 victory, the Cleveland Cavaliers bounced back to defeat the Boston Celtics 118-94 in Game 2. Donovan Mitchell finished with 29 points (10-for-19 shooting), seven rebounds and eight assists. Jayson Tatum scored 25 points (7-for-17 shooting), seven rebounds and six assists. Colin Cowherd explains why Boston proved they "are not special" after the 24-point L. The 2024 NFL Draft is in the books and teams are now discussing long-term deals with their players. Two notable ones are Detroit Lions QB Jared Goff and Miami Dolphins QB Tua Tagovailoa. Lions General Manager Brad Holmes said that Goff has "earned" an extension with the team. Colin looks at both situations and then explains why he would rather extend Goff than Tua.
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Celtics' 24-point loss vs. Cavs proves they "are not special," pay Jared Goff, not Tua | THE HERD
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Correction: Boston is elite at home during the REGULAR season. 37-4 this year.
Playoffs: Exact opposite. 💀💀💀
Celtics are the 49ers of the NBA
Basically
yeah unlike the Cowboys, they at least make it to the final
@@timmy1874scary accurate
49ers don’t choke and play well in the playoffs, they just run into better opposing QBs in the playoffs.
@@bernyourhartchoking can also be considered blowing several leads in the playoffs. 2 were blown in the sb 🤷🏿♀️🤷🏿♀️🤷🏿♀️🤷🏿♀️
Nailed everything about the Celtics except the Cowboys compassion. The Celtics can actually win playoff games/series
Gotta give Brad Holmes credit for seeing Goff's potential, everyone else thought Goff was a bridge QB at the end of his run. Brad Holmes knew better.
Brad knows that you can't expect the Qb to carry the whole roster. Goff is a high character dude. Experienced. Brad is a good man and a good GM. Happy for Detroit.
Ya I’ll take Goff over Tua 👍🏽
I would worry Tua has a nasty concussion history
Rams Jared Goff was a bit like Tua. Young QB who could get the ball where it needed to be quickly with a coach that would scheme up that ideal first read for him. He's evolved his game in Detroit though, becoming one of the best at reading defenses before the snap and getting through progressions. A lot of it comes from his experience of playing QB for so long now but Campbell and Johnson also coach him a lot differently than McVay did.
If any other QB had the same o-line like Goff has, he would do the same. Remember Prescott when he got his o-line right ? It will be the same story with Goff if his o-line is gone..
Celtics are up 2-1 round 2 of the playoffs while missing a 20/10 center. What are we talking about here ?!
Not to mention these guys just starting their prime. Way too much over reaction overnight by the media these days.
Goff plays January football in a dome lol 😂
In SF
Still had 3 playoffs wins outside the dome?
Could you imagine Bird's Celtics getting destroyed at home so much, in the playoffs? The 1985-86 Celtics were 50-1 at home, playoffs included, then the next year, in the regular season, were 39-2 at home. And one of those "home" losses, was in Hartford. It was such BS having to play 3 "home" games a year, in The Hartford Civic Center. This current Celtics team is very well constructed, and very talented, but totally lack pride on their home court. Luckily, they are dominant on the road.
Tatum and Brown are mega talented but they just aren't gritty enough. not dog enough.
Brown is a dog just not consistent Tatum is not
brown is a dog. dude just sucks and cant dribble
The STUPIDEST argument, cause Kawhi has SO much dog. Russell Westbrook has all his championships bc he’s such a DOG
Nobody thinks Tua is better than Goff. Strawman.
Only people who know anything about football think Tua is better than Goffawl, Tua doesn't have cement shoe's and can actually throw the long ball, plus a national championship, to Goffawls no championship, choking in big game resume
@@robinflint6100You are a Ioser. Lol. If you were so confident in your take you wouldn’t need to throw out insults to anyone who disagreed with you before they disagreed with you.
@@robinflint6100are u a casual? Goff plays WELL in BIG GAMES, Tua DOES NOT, Goff has outplayed Mahomes, Drew brees and stafford in BIG games can tua even do that?? He’s been to two nfc championships games with 2 DIFFERENT TEAMS, let that sink in 🤡 you lost 🥱
@@Elusivve it's the so called casual fans as yourself that think Goff is an elite QB, he's mid level at best and as soon as his o-line or any key players are injured, it's show's his glaring weaknesses, he wears cement shoe's and has a weak arm, plus he can't throw a spiral even 50% of the time, you want to live in the fantasy world Goff is elite, knock yourself out, but facts are facts and time will prove that I'm correct about Goffawls choking career
@@robinflint6100 but tua is elite ? 🤣 he has Tyreek and waddle still had 14 interceptions and did nothing with the team ! HOW DO YOU FEEL NOW? btw oline was injured most of the time yet Goff still played great the entire season also it was only ranked 12th in pass blocking efficiency stop acting like Goff has perfect protection all the time 🤡 you see im proving my point that ur just a casual fan again 🥱 I win
WHEN TF DID COLIN COWHERD AND NICK WRONG BECOME “QB GURU’S” ALL OF A SUDDEN? 🤔
Maybe in Madden football?
Colin has always been like that but with Nick it started with him saying he liked the Mahomes pick and thus feeling like he’s ahead of the football world in picking QB’s. It’s why he feels so strongly about Trevor, and Purdy, and Caleb Williams.
I mean it is his job to have strong opinions on these things....
Williams is gonna bust I promise you...
@@thomasglavin5029how? That team isn’t bad at all and he’s a good QB.
There is not a single NFL fan that is sitting around asking their buddies "would you give an extension to Tua or Goff?" Herd basically asked his producers to come up with a segment that trashes Tua and this is what they came up with.
Dumb
Tua is winless when the weather drops below 46°F, and has thrown more interceptions than touchdowns in those games
@@romain8390he’s a great regular season qb. That’s about it
Pretty much. They know that talking about Tua gets ratings and reactions
tua sucks, cope
Maybe the Cavs are a decent team???
Decent yes good no.
@@mtadams2009 I would argue they have the best big 3 in the east. Mobley just needs to keep developing.
@@perryco34LMAOOOOOO
Donovan Mitchell literally carries the Cavs
@@kingjayburner yeah you don’t know ball. Darius garland is a top 7 point guard.
@perryco34…ima Cavs fan from Cleveland….Darius garland is not a top 7 pg and I’ll name 7 better than him rn. Luka, Jamal, jrue holiday, dame, Steph, shai, Brunson. I’m sure a lot of people would take Halliburton over him too.
Jmacs face at the beginning holy f*** man
Lmfaoooo
YOU WAS KILLING JARED GOFF WHEN HE GOT TRADED!!!! The problem with his show, he doesn't have anyone to give push back or tell him hes wrong on what he says.
I mean what u want him to do? Stay with a bad take? Goff proved him wrong. It would be worse if he stayed hating and was delusional
Well he doubles down on QBs like Russ, Cam, and the former QB for the Bears. But he's so in love we played like Sam Darnold and Herbert
J Mac pushes back on his takes all the time
the 2000 lakers lost a home game by 23 points too
Colin has been on point lately
Nobody throws in the fact that Celtics are double digit home favorites every single game lmao
They really shouldn’t be, the probably do it on purpose so they have talking points on the show
boats in miami are definitely not seasonal.
Cavs have a serious shot to win this series
Lol Cavs shot 50% from the 3 that won’t happen again
The Cavs made 13 threes lol it’s not even that hard to maintain
why do the celtics keep allowing these teams to have great shooting nights from 3 lol
🤡 pretty sure you said that when MIA shot those record 3’s . Looks like you’ll be saying this for the rest of the playoffs
@@Kdkyrie12remind us what happened after that game
Boston isn’t going to face Miami without 2 of their 3 best players again
Give the Cavs their flowers
I agree with Colin’s Goff opinion. He deserves a pay raise. And Tua is talented but he does seem to shrink in the playoffs or not make them at all. Goff has a much better resume. I think Goff gets judged by his horrendous performance in Super Bowl 53. He was a statue and Belichick ate him alive, but times change and situations change. This isn’t 2018, it’s 2024. A lot of quarterbacks not named Patrick Mahommes got destroyed by Belichick’s defenses.
Actually Mahomes got destroyed in a Super Bowl too. But obviously mahomes is all time great
Eastern Conference is being very underrated definitely a lot of injuries which makes The Celtics path easier but the East vs West records against each other does not support The West being so much better. Donavan Mitchell is a beast guy is a scoring machine and everyone in love with TWolves because they stole 2 games against Denver who has zero depth. 🤔 Tatum will get out of his little slump and shut a lot of people up .
Cavs have an historically great playoff upset, and Colin barely mentions them.
I cannot wait to come back to this video
Should add KD to that list, he is a bucket getter not a trophy holder. Steph was the one who could get along with others
Whoever thinks that Tua is better than Goff is out of their minds
Not the Cowboys, more like the Bills currently.
Never wants to give the cavs credit
I mean Tua already won in a head to head battle and lions had the lead too
Head to head isn’t the most important thing when comparing players in sports.
No way he just said Jared Goff is made for all weather. Jared Goff is not bad, but come on him and Tua are similar.
Goff has performed well for a long time in a city that hasn't had any real success in over 50 years. Also when he was traded to Detroit for Stafford, Goff was mostly maligned and forgotten about. His career with the Lions has been excellent for him, his brand, his career and especially for the franchise.
Tua hasn't done any of those things for Miami, has he?
Put Goff on Miami and you get similar results put Tua on Detroit and you get similar results
Agree with Goff over Tua easy
I don’t get the hate for Tua, I really don’t!
It’s quite simple: Tua is a regular season performer. Nothing more nothing less. Those are the facts.
@@coachYte Yeah rn! Not everyone’s going to be immediately great like Mahomes and Brady. Didn’t it take time for Peyton Manning to turn into Peyton Manning? Same goes for Drew Brees.
@@soundxape You mean when they got weapons and a team around them? Tua already has all those things, this is what he is. Goff may not be miles better than Tua, but he is better.
@@simcosports2584 I’m not disagreeing with that Goff is definitely better, I’m just saying let’s be patient with Tua and stop the hate is all. Maybe this the season where he plays out of his mind, I will say that this season is it for him though. If he doesn’t at least get to the AFC Championship Game then Dolphins should move on.
@@soundxape Not sure if you a dolphins fan but there will be no more progression. The offense is already stacked and it’s clear that Tua can’t do what’s needed in the playoffs: elevate a team and make plays out of structure. He will get paid and the Dolphins will be a 1st/2nd round exit for the next 3/4 years
Jason Tatum has no killer instinct. There's still time for to find his inner Kobe but, until then, I can't consider the Celtics elite. They are DAMN GOOD, don't get me wrong, surely ALMOST elite. They might even win the Chip. They'll go as far as JT will take them. In my opinion.
Fair Weather Tua :(
No Giannis or Jimmy and pretty much no Dame. No Jarrett Allen or Terry Rozier. Brunson and OG are banged up. There’s literally no excuse for a healthy Boston team to not win the East at a minimum with their talent
Yall write these comments thinkng Colin reads them - ge dont gaf ,makes millions regardless
I am a Celtics fan but this team is hard to love. They play soft especially when the 3 is not falling. They have no plan B. They are all in on the 3. Tatum and Brown play very similar style. We need someone more like a young Jimmy Buckets. Home court means nothing in Boston.
The Lions will definitely pay Goff. With the rising cap who’s to say if a team like the Cardinals wanna make a change at QB if they lose confidence in Kyler. What if Minnesota didn’t find the answer with McCarthy at QB?
Goff is definitely better than Tua - no question, hands down, not even close
I'm not a fan of small QB's
Size is a skill as is being available
Idk why he’d pick the cowboys to be the Celtics it’s definitely the 49rs
Goff also plays in a freaking dome and was also the number 2 pick overall was picked higher then tua also played on LA where I’ve heard idk for sure but heard it doesn’t get very cold
1 pick overall . Get your facts straight
Of course Tua will get paid, Mr. Wizard, everybody knows that 🐿
"They're getting the Goff extension done fast. The Tua extension... they're still reluctant."
What is Colin smoking? Both QBs haven't gotten an extension. How is one being done faster than the other when neither is done, nor is there any info out there as to exactly when either QB will be extended? I wonder what Colin would say if Tua gets extended tomorrow while Goff's extension still remains on the table.
Holmes was saying he is trying his hardest to sign Goff .
@@Honestly__now And Grier has multiple times said that talks with Tua's camp has been going well. Both GMs gave standard PR answers regarding the upcoming extensions.
Interpreting one as "Trying to get it done fast" and the other as "Being reluctant" is nonsensical.
The decision are 6-2 in the playoffs but yeah they’re not elite
Celtics are a big tease
So Goff doesn’t have at brown or jahmyr Gibbs or David Montgomery or Sam Laporta or Jameson Williams or a top 5 offensive line
Been saying
DON'T pay Tua and Goff they are both not worth a lot of money. But if you hate both franchises then pay them Mahomes money like they likely will do
Goff just got a $212 million contract/4 years making him the highest paid QB in NFL history 👀
It's scripted like WWE
I like both goff and tua but let’s not act like goff doesn’t play in a dome, have the very best OL in the sport, has an elite OC, 2 really good rb’s. And Goff is terrible in weather games just like Tua, Jared Goff outdoors: 87.9 rating, 64.5%, 7.0 yds per pass, 7 TD, 4 INT
Jared Goff on grass: 82.0 rating, 63.6% completion, 6.5 yds per pass, 5 TD, 4 INT. you can hype up JG for an extension without tearing down Tua. JG was apart of that meltdown in San Francisco too it’s not like he wasn’t wearing a lion uniform that day
People really want to keep paying above average QBs with critical flaws 'top of market' b/c "tHaT"s jUsT hOw iT wUrX, PAY THE MAN!!!! 🤑🤑🤪
😂
When it comes to the meltdown in San Fran, Goff is probably one of the last players on the Lions who you'd point the finger at. He played well in that game and threw accurate passes in crucial moments that his receivers dropped. Not to mention the Gibbs fumble and the defensive collapse too.
If you wanna be pedantic use playoff stats rather than "what grass was goff playing in
@@MicahMckenzie these idiots would be taken more seriously if they didnt use cherry picked stats like "grass stats"
They lost 1 game ……..lol Boston is not falling apart 😂
Enjoy winning one more game this post season…
😊
“America’s honesty broker” doesn’t “overreact” to one game when it’s a west coast team… but god forbid a Boston team loses a game …
Celtics win in 6. Don’t forget they’re missing their 3 best players.
Keep all the receipts for when they get to the finals
I don't think the Lions can afford to have Goff get complacent again. He's not talented enough to win when its all him resting on his laurels like his late rams and early lions career performance
Colin sucks off the afc and west a little too mich
Take it easy on Goff
And the Lions better not overpay with the extension, his had an awesome O-Line and great running game in Detroit and at the Rams.
Celtics are the cowboys of the NBA
Uh no, the 76ers are
Bad take Colin, Knicks not beating the Pacers. Try again.
Tatum = Booker inconsistent players and y’all called both of them the next Kobe 😂😂😂😂😂🤡 yall willing to call anybody but lbj the next Kobe or mj
If they were special, they would have won last year, They clearly did not.
Tatum got hurt in game 7 lol
@@danielblackwood383 So he's soft like most of Today's NBA players and even when he's not hurt, tell us his STATS in the biggest games. Special Teams find a way, even when 1 player goes down. So again, not special.
Colin points on Tua are so damn weak lol. And I’m not even a Tua fan this purely for clicks 😂😂
What will y'all say if they win the next 2 in Cleveland? Gtfoh
Celtics are the Cowboys of the NBA is the PERFECT Colin take. Love it.
Truly they are a Cowboys/49ers amalgamation. But thats harder to make work in 5 mins.
This dude is such a clown. The Cowboys comparison was the worst take I've ever heard in my life.
The Celtics are 6-2 these playoffs and 23-7 vs. the West this season. They're without question the best team in the league still.
The NBA is Broken
There's nobody on television that is as good as the Herd. He's a rear talent and very profound in the way he breaks everything down.
Are we joking. Tua is a better and younger qb than Goff. In a more difficult offense to run. Plus improves every year
Goff is absolutely better than Tua, but neither team should be breaking the bank for either of them.
@@bojangles11111 Tuas not even requesting a lot of money. At some point, he’s just going to be undeniable. This trajectory is better than anything most teams can claim
@@tylerove2495 Except one melts after November and the other has proven he can get it done in the playoffs. As a Rams fan respectfully.
@@tylerove2495 Miami fans are so delusional about Tua.
Yes Tua is younger but if Tua gets one more concussion he might be done so teams don’t view him as a young ascending player
goff has the best oline in the nfl, plays in a dome, and one of the best playcallers in the nfl. you could go either way on the two but those reasons were a joke.
Any love for how the cavs played instead? How they played all year b4 the all-star break? The team that we know they can all be? Fk Boston!
Lakers = Cowboys
First
Goff is more reliable than Tua, but I wouldn’t want either as QB. Goff likely will be the 3rd Best QB in his own division by thd end of the year. He is almost entirely dependent on his O Line. He could be the 11th Best QB in the NFC by year's end
Yeah ok buddy lol
@@jokerj641 It's true: Love, Hurts, Dak, Cousins, and Stafford are all better. That is 5. Good arguments can be made for Kyler, Purdy, and Geno being better. That is 8. It is not hard to imagine a World where Caleb and Jayden Daniels are better by year's End. That is 10. This would place Goff at #11. I haven't even mentioned Baker yet, although I would probably favor Goff over Baker currently.
colin and his white qbs
Tua is better than Goff, more complicated offense. Goff plays in a dome.
Not even close Tua wishes he could accomplish with one of the best play callers in the league and the fastest productive receiver in the league.
Tua can't play in the cold, what's the difference
Tua hasn’t played a full season in his career
@@danharps7874 clearly you haven’t seen Mike McDaniel a play calls. Yeah they can be cool but he’s afraid to use power
I CANT STAND COLIN
Uncle Colin is great
Detroit defense is the worst in NFC NORTH. Lions have 1 standout on defense. We gonna see about these trash Lions 🐻⬇️
Lions are primed for a downfall. Won the division because Cousins got hurt and because Love was getting his feet wet. Green Bay was better at the end of the year. Their head coach is awful at managing games. They had basically no injuries last year. They only won their first playoff game because the refs missed an obvious PI. Throw in the biggest choke in NFCCG history. Games like that affect teams.
They’ll beat Chicago at least…. But yeah. The Packers are gonna freight train them.
Goff plays in a dome...DUH!!!!!!!
cELTUCS ARE JUST LIKE THE OTHER CHOKING TE AM FROM BOSTON THAT PLAYS IN THE TD CHOKE GARDEN
The Cowboys comparison was atrocious.
A better cross sport comparison is the 49ers.
They win a lot in the regular season, consistently make it to the Conference Championship, they’ve been to a SuperBowl/NBA FINALS, are always a legit title contender, have multiple all-stars, good role players, etc.