It's A Chrysler... OF COURSE We Have To Re-Machine EVERYTHING!
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We're moving along on @ScannerDanner 's Big Block Mopar build and this time had to call in some help from @geddesracingengines777 for some machining operations that we can't do in house!
Really enjoyed hanging out down there and watching (and learning) how it's done!
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What performance parts would yall recommend to use in a 2002 chevy 4.3 vortec
You don't have to have every tool ever made, you just need friends with them. Two shops might both lose money having one where as 1 shop can get some extra business with it and you can still have someone you trust do the operation for you.
This is so real, I worked for an automotive machine shop as my first job. Including me there were 4 people in there so it was pretty small. But the other side of the building ( connected by a very big door) had a diesel machine shop, if we needed a big tool we could ask them, if they needed some deep cylinder boring they came over here. It worked out great for everyone
You're one of the few channels whose stuff I watch all the way through without speeding it up. 👍
Geddes Racing Engines just did themselves a million dollars in business by allowing JAMSI to document these tasks. Most white shirt and tie folks would never find themselves in any kind of machine shop for any reason. But just like the professionalism and knowledge shown at JAMSI, Geddes knows just how things should be done right the first time. To see all the machinists routinely work to the 3rd or 4th decimal point for their expected accuracy is always fun to watch. This gives the phrase “to a gnat’s ass” a measure of how these professionals are able perform their jobs.
I'm glad you said this!
When were measuring to tenths of a thou we always refer to as cunthairs lol
Frog 🐸 hairs!
Geddes Machine has been a top notch shop since the early 80's (maybe earlier). The founder Mike Geddes was a local drag racer and excellent machinist
And Mario has done a great job keeping up the tradition!
Great video gentlemen. Thank you Geddes for opening you shop to us.
When its done right, it will be tedious. Tedious costs money. Doing it right saves money. Great job!
Originally didn't "get" raised bronze lifter bushings myself, but have come to really like them. In the longevity game they do a much better job holding up to today's taller hydraulic roller lifters, something none of the older blocks were ever designed for. Not a Mopar guy but that's good looking machine work, it's very pretty. Clean shaven metal!
it's actually neat to see someone building a big block mopar engine ,,everyone seems to always show GM and ford stuff ,not very many guys doing mopars anymore
Mopar stuff is out there if you look
@@kimmorrison9169 yes it is i've had a few mopars over the years but GM and ford are what everyone shows the most because it's easier to find ,,unlike some people i prefer to keep my vehicles brand specific ,, i'll never put a GM engine in a ford for instance
@@wildcoyote34 you must not get out much. Most car shows it’s 80% mopar muscle unless it’s a brand specific show. There is plenty of videos on CZcams showing this. Heck that moustache guy goes around all over videoing car shows and you can easily see that they are loaded with mopar muscle and not much for ford or chevys.
@@jacilynns6330 ,must be in a different part of the country than me then cause i live in iowa and if you go to any sort of car show here you aren't gonna see many mopar cars ,you're gonna see mustangs ,camaros ,, GTOs CHEVELLES ,,lots of restored ford and GM trucks of all ages , and plenty of 40s and 50s cars of every brand ,,if you're lucky you'll find a few guys with restored chargers ,darts or even a fury ,they are around but here in the rust belt mopars didn't last and there wer more GM and fords to start with too
I'm definitely an "LS swap the world" guy, but I still like to see the other stuff get attention. It's interesting stuff. Mopar, (And the other brands they absorbed,) had some truly unique and beautiful bodystyles. I dig seeing any engine get done right.
This answered one of my long time questions as I watch your channel. I'm glad to see you have a quality go to shop to do your lifter bushings!
Some day we will have the capability in house, but for now we greatly appreciated the help from Geddes Racing Engines!
Nice to see 2 quality shops working together.
the more PROFESSIONAL they are the more RESPECT they have for one another; thus more INTER-SHOP collaboration of both machines and expertise..
A derivative of Karma.
I'm always impressed at the quantity and quality of work that you folks move through the shop. Additionally the video's are well shot and informative so even a knuckle head like me can understand (sort of) what you are dealing with, how you plan to troubleshoot it and then how you determine the best way to fix it. Its one thing to get us into your own shop but really remarkable when you arrange to get us into other people's shops as well. Thanks for all the work you put into these video's. Much appreciated.
Big block Mopars rule!
Back in the day yeah...
But Chevy took over cheaper to build.
I like old School Mopar .
Excellent marine engines held up best in Salt water.
only the 426 Hemi ‘Elephant Motor’
Maybe they don't respect Mopar customers money. Isn't re-machining their job, so why whining?
@@ranze63I don't think it's out of disrespect but to buy the tooling needed to do Chrysler engines cost more money and if they don't get a lot of Mopar guys coming into the shop to have them machined to be rebuilt they aren't making much money compared to doing Chevrolet SBC and BBC engines or some Ford engines all the time . Chrysler engines are always more expensive to build but the thing with the Chrysler guys is they will pay the extra it takes to do the job especially if it's something that a good qualified engine machine shop can do it the right way just because they are used to paying more for everything on the cars they are fixing or doing full rotisserie restorations . For years Chevrolet & Ford had companies that were making new body panels 1/4 panels floor and trunk pans front fenders deck kids and doors and it took many years before the Mopar guys that had Dodges and Plymouths finally were able to buy these aftermarket body parts and being these cars are unibody cars most rusted out quickly so trying to find good factory rust free parts got more and more difficult to find to fix and rebuild the bodies on these so they were always more expensive to do this besides trying to find a reputable body shop that could tackle working on these cars . The fit and finish on the Dodge and Plymouth cars was always not as good as the GM and Ford cars and often timed if you looked at a brand new Dodge or Plymouth closely especially at the lower rear 1/4 panels often times these panels weren't painted fully & the paint was thin so rust would start early on these cars . The big Chryslers on the other hand had much better fit and finish and better paint quality than the others.
340 Mopars were Big block Chevy and Ford killers
Yeah, I remember that chevy engine you did recently where EVERYTHING went into the scrap bin.
Thats a block for ScannerDanner?? Awesome! Love his diagnostic abilities
Thanks James
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Wow brass lifter bushings!
We had a shop here years ago it was Glenn Neibel and they built a lot of Indy engines as well as local engines for most muscle cars. Now kids think their Hondas are a big deal lol. I grew up in the best of times. After I got home from Vietnam in late 69’ I bought a new 1970 Mach 1 love to still have it.
That’s funny right there 😂
10:16 Oh my, they have a Rottler Cylinder Hone 💯. That’s a good shop👍.
They're a great shop! Enjoyed spending time with them!... but keep in mind just because a shop can afford a Rotttler Cylinder Hone doesn't automatically make them a good shop... It also requires years of experience, dedication to the craft, and a desire for perfection.
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@@JAMSIONLINEA fool with a tool is still a fool.
That final block you guys were showing at the begining, that block looked sexy as hell! Thos lifter bushings and the smoothness of the deck and mating surfaces.... holy crap that looked like a work of art!
I learned a lot on this video. I didn't know you could do lifter bores. Y'all have taught me a lot on your channel. Thanks, and keep the show going!
It’s nice too see that professionalism on both sides of the camera. That too those fellas for showing their process and their skill.
I remember replacing cam bearings in those big block chrys. Never bored straight. Always had to get out the bearing scraper!
Nice video and explanation of the operations. I don’t doubt that you would like to have similar capabilities but the limitations are just how many times are you going to be doing enough work to support a CnC machining center and the additional fixtures?
Not much worse to buy a machine for special operations and then have it sit idle for months with little to do. Deciding wants over need’s is a very hard thing to do.
100% agree with this comment
Jim, you and you son are great to watch I love the subtle humor and the humility along with a nice variety of engines and the jobs you both perform on them. My father and I worked together much like you both do but always relied on expert machinists like yourselves to handle our machine work that we didn’t have the equipment for. Thank you. P.S. I especially appreciate the lack of obnoxious music that so many other CZcamsrs employ.
Yes, annoying, useless " music ". Thank you.
UUU! First time ever I see someone paying attention on old lifter bores.
I've always wondered that don't they ever need a touch up but as it appears they do, as I suspected.
Br from Finland.
This is the first time I have heard of lifter bushings. I do, however, recall a couple of GM blocks that had worn lifter bores. The bores were machined out & oversized lifters were installed.
Fascinating. All that work surely will make an engine set to last the long term.
Great informative video as usual. Just what a machinery nerd needed to start his day. 👍
The brass bushings really add a pop of color to the engine.
That nobody is ever going to see 😂
@@davidmann4533but a few hundred thousand people did see it 😅
Excellent machine work and planning on this B/RB Mopar...my last BB Mopar stroker had similar block work done with the exception of lifter bushings....I'm planning on another BB Mopar stroker 400/512 cube hyd roller gaterman lifters,,Ported alluminum heads 700HP target and will definitely consider bronze lifter bushings...thanks for an excellent video
Great collab, Geddes and JAMSI. 👍
As a Mopar man at heart I'm gonna enjoy this video thanks for the time and effort
VERY well narrated.
Thank you!
Through the years I delt with many machine shops
Typically autoparts back room machine shops that did cylinder heads , flywheel turning, brake rotors and drums etc. Or somebody that worked out of row garages behind his home that would take on almost anything. That shop had a line borer or line hone.
None of these shops did crank grinding.
They sent them out to be ground. One high end engine builder with a clean room, 2 dynamometers had a big old crank grinder. They said it was slow and dangerous so they got rid of it. Not as nice as your grinder.The third party crank grinders could be sketchy. Line hones were fairly new back then.
Chrysler big blocks installed cam bearings unfinished and then bored/honed them to spec in the block. Machine shops dont have that luxury to resize cam bearings in the block.
Sometimes the cams would bind.
Are the bronze bushings tall for installing roller lifters which you showed. One autoparts machine shop commented how Chrysler engines had much harder cylinders bores and had a higher pitch sound when boring compared to a Chevy which were softer. Whats your experience?
All those shops are gone except the hiperformance shop with the 2 dynos.
Just got my 78 la 360 back from the shop, they set me up with 10 to 1 and ive got promaxx performance heads hydraulic roller lifters and a weiland high rise intake, nothing to it but to do it, thanks for video
That was interesting to watch.
Nice to see they let you film and be there for a bit of learning experience 😊 Awesome video as always, waiting for the next one 👍🏻
We had tooling to do lifter bores supported the reemer at both ends. BTW take chev and ford out to chrysler size and there were Olds lifter that were slighly larger than Mopar so no bushings necessary however tthere are frequently big chamfer at the top of the bore which bushings fix and can be taller too cnc would have been nice sharp edges at the oil galley need to be removed or they can break off into the oil galley
Bushing lifter bores can be a good time to compensate for core shift which can be severe. That way the lifter can be centered on the cam lobe more accurately.
That peaked my interest. I used to there, although it’s been fifteen years since I left. I don’t remember them when I was there but It has built up so much. I used to use Elite Auto on E Platte.
Remembering Geech comic strip. A young man talking with Geech and telling him he wanted to be a mechanic. Geech asks if he likes working on cars and the kid, leaning against the wall, says no, he likes waiting on parts.
Removing flush dowell in block. Drill and tap the Dowell, insert screw, extract dowell with claw hammer...easy.
I’m a newbie. I find this totally fascinating. How much better would any engine run -even an old one -with this precision work.
You would be amazed at how much better an engine will run with precision tolerances as opposed to production tolerances. Although production tolerances have improved.
Since you're going to install lifter bushings, are you going to use keyway roller lifters vs the much more common linkbar roller lifters?
This build will still use linkbar roller lifters.
Linkbars are more easily removed, enhancing future service. Tiny difference in operating weight is only noticeable when engine speeds are above 7000rpm. Not worth the costs. Link bar lifters are more popular because of these reasons.
Great road show content and hurray for CNC machine getting a spot light shot....thanks
I can’t wait to see more of this engine rebuild.
Had no idea you guys are in Gill. I'm in denver and need a good machine shop! Hell yeah!
What a wonderful video ! Thanks for sharing !
Impressive i never took engine building for granted it takes skill.
super quality vid very informative
Hi Nick and the cleaning Guy, Boy is Paul A lucky Man! Great job guys. Geddes Racing Engines just got premium air time!
There is no better foundation than an RB Mopar : )
Wow! Love seeing a CNC used on an engine. Dont see that often.
Everyone be doing ls stuff these days but i love seeing shops do other motors that match the brand its going in. Like you can get big block ford fe blocks now that are badass.
Theres a shop in the middle of nowhere like yours, where i grew up. They will rebuild your farm tractor and build you a racecar engine. The shop is Jims repair in a farm shed, probably how the cleaning guy started. They do good work like you too😊
Gentlemen, I have a SBC 350 that I measured the crankshaft journals at having less than 1/1000th of an inch wear after teardown. I had the machine shop polish it and check it for straightness. I had them dip the block also. When I went to build the engine I used assembly lube and installed the crankshaft with brand new main bearings STANDARD SIZE however after just torquing the main caps the crank will not spin without excessive force. I wade sure to number all the main caps with dots punched on them and torqued all the bolt in proper sequence. The block is a 4 bolt main not that that matters. I took the main caps back off and plastiguaged them and that all show a little over 1/1000th clearance. I have built at least 20 sbc before and had no crank problems. What is my NEXT STEP? LINE BORE THE BLOCK????????? THANKS FOR YOUR TIME!
Big thank you to Geddes Racing for letting you film the work they did. Hope you enjoyed the experience as much as we all appreciate seeing the video.
Again VERY IMPRESSIVE!
Why not to face the lifter guides down to the cast iron? Are the roller lifters longer than stock?
Love me a big block Mopar!
I'll admit I was a little surprised to see the lifter bushings remaining so proud out of the block....
Very cool to see stuff I wasn't aware existed! Also very awesome lf Geddes to let you be a fly on the wall!
Scanner Danner is going to have a top notch engine once you fellas get through! One thing I've never understood is why they never take a cut off the main cap mounting surface in the block like they do with the caps. It would seem to me that eventually the width of the bearing surface at the parting line in the block would get too wide if it wasn't also taken into account.
Love watching your videos. Thanks for making them!
Sweet work. As always 🤜🏼🤛🏼
1.15 dear god, that's a Beautiful finished piece. and then the cut to working the working the scungy block...as a former repair tech, my admiration to everyone involved.
on this channel, you stick to the engineering & the blue collar view: i love you for that.
but it means we dont get those "glamour shots" of finished jobs. hanging that so you could spin it to show the work was accidental genius: those who know how , can use that glare off bare metal trick to assess the work during the turns.
you didn't do it for that, to perform a motion shot, but it happened anyway, and gosh that block showed out.
that finished piece is Smoooth, the machine work is On Point: every intersecting machined surface is dead true..damn good work.
That was a great video..I have never done lifter bores..
Thanks for sharing
best channel on youtube’s
Thank you!
Thanks for the quick upload. Very interested in this build. It’s nice to see that you guys are able to find other shops that are willing to lend a hand, and also do work you approve of for your customers. Any machine shops you would recommend in the Cincinnati Metro area?
Did I miss where it was explained why the lifter bushings were extend up so high?
love this channel man great work. Is that your pops you work with in most videos?
Cleaning Guy is going to open up his own shop some day, just you watch.
Regardling your sponsor, I recalled something from years ago. I worked in a big office with a bunch of young bachelor staff. These guys were pulling OT, so dinner was a big problem for them. I was the married guy, and an ok cook, so I went home at 5 sharp, and always cooked a big dinner, usually suitable for freezing extra portions. You name, pepper steak, ravioli, lasagna, shrimp with rice, beef stew, you name it. I would bring in dozens of these homemade microwave dinners, and sell them for $3 a pop. Very profitable side hustle, and no malnourished coworkers!
If only people understood what it took to make this 11 minute video.
Excellent 👍
The approach to each hole has to be in the same direction. We're not tightening lug nut here. Go back toward the home position and than come back. Especially true on a Bridgeport.
Great content thanks for sharing
Back in the 80s when I was into BB chryslers. We didn't mess with the early engines, early 70s and back for hot-rodding. Sure if you have a all original car go ahead. Word was that the casting was so so, often with core shift. Plus the machining on like lifter bores was hit and miss.
Love the content!! Happy to see some MOPAR stuff you guys! Keep up the good work... Where are you guys located at? I'm always looking for good machinists that know what they are doing with the big block Mopars for my race motors.
Those Rottler machines seem pretty nice
I had Andy Rottler in my machinist apprentice class.
Are you going to enlarge the oil galleys? There are a few Mopar companies that sell long drill bits to do that. I'm kinda new to Mopar and have read that their oiling "system" could be better like the big block Cadillac, Buick v6 etc..
I've even read about
Some finding drill bits broken off in their block that they didn't know was there!!
Love your videos!
Rather watch JAMSI online than the Super Bowl!
Appreciate that! 😎
always wonder, the lifter bores have oil holes in them and then What about bushed? do the bushed bores no longer have oil holes?Note The MOREL Solid roller Lifters are short and fit into the original bores ,also crane sold them.
They drilled oil holes. You don't need much, in fact it's a nice safety feature, since if you lose a lifter, oil pressure doesn't instantly crash to zero as you have a .905 hole venting a 3/8" or so oil gallery. Lifter bushings will always help with oil pressure on a BBM.
Excellent no giant hole to leak off pressure.@@EchoSixMike
What he is doing with the end mill is called a plunge cut.
Sweet.
I'd be curious to know, I've heard from two other machinists that Mopar blocks clean up really nicely usually at .020 or .040 instead of the "conventional" .030 or .060 and are generally longer lived than the other two of The Big 3. But the title seeems to imply you guys don't feel quite the same?
In my opinion, Mopar blocks are made of a good quality long wearing cast iron material compared to the SB Chevy motors I personally love. This block was a good example of that as it had only minimal cylinder wall wear. However, it is not uncommon to find the factory machine work of the 60's and 70's to be of questionable accuracy. I especially remember back in the day of using the old Van Norman boring bars that mounted to the deck surface, only to find the hard way that the deck surface was not parallel to the crankshaft and perpendicular to the cylinder bore. This is no longer an issue since we now bore our cylinders referenced from the crankshaft, not a questionable deck surface. The Cleaning Guy.
When Ford was developing the high rpm Lemans 427 for the GT 40 they kept losing pistons in one particular cylinder. Turned out that the race blocks were initially bored on production machines and then finished later for racing. One cylinder
In the production machine was not true and showed when building a 7000 rpm 24 hour Lemans engine. Problem wasn't showing in street cars or drag cars.
You can't get a precision ream when your tool is too hot. You're gonna get a bigger hole than you wanted. The bigger the hole the more thermal expansion will change your diameter.
Sorry to think if WEF gets its way none of this will exist. No combustion engines for individuals. No independent farmers or repair shops. Love your lifestyle.
I thought you were bull shitting with lifter bushings I hadn't ever heard of them I guess I just figured that if needed you would just get over sized lifters that's why I like your channel I learn something in almost every episode 👍
Gasoline and diesel is around $5/gal here in Californicate where our overlord Gov Gasem Newsense rules....
HI GUYS GREAT VID. SO THE ONLY QUESTION I HAVE IS WERE YOU JUST RESIZING THE LIFTER BORES FOR NEW BUSHINGS? THE REASON I ASK IS TO MOVE A BORED HOLE TO A BLUEPRINTED LOCATION YOU NEED TWO THINGS. A MACHINE THAT THE TRUE POSITION HAS BEEN VERIFIED ON. { BALL-BAR} AND YOU HAVE TO USE A BORING BAR TO CHANGE THE POSITION OF A PR-EXISTING HOLE. OTHERWISE THE REAMER WILL JUST FOLLOW THE OLD HOLE!! UNLESS TOOLING TECHNOLOGY HAS CHANGED.?? JUST A QUESTION .
OMG that gas price. Up here in Toronto it's $1.49/L which converts to around $4.18 USD a gallon.
That price was short-lived! It's gone back up, but not as high as yours.
@@JAMSIONLINE My Durango takes 93 as well. So its $1.90/L cad
$6+ gallon in californication
over $8 gallon in Australia. Germany it's well over $7 gallon.
Hey somebody's gotta work around that shop😂
Hey guys,,,, is that block got some sort of coating on it,,,, the difference in colour from the machined head mating surface to the external of the block or in the valley looks way different, or is that the mopar casting?
Guy's, what do you think of the 3.3 L V-6. In the new for trucks ?. Thank's so much, Don G. Dardanelli. CA. 2-13-2024.
Mopar or no car!!!!
Mopar ruling the drag strips since Keith black chose wisely….
Powell machine shop has a video that proves you don't have to align hone going to stud's but still needs to be done because the factory doesn't get it perfect
Are you using a new camera? The image quality is very good now. (better than Iphone)