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FIIO K11 Review - Garbage?
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- čas přidán 3. 01. 2024
- Is the FIIO K11 fatally flawed? We review this DAC/Amp combo and let you know what is wrong and right about it.
Some troubleshooting links, should you experience any issues with the K11.
Update MCU Firmware v123
Note: Addresses USB port crash and freeze issue.
Link: forum.fiio.com/note/showNoteC...
Updade sa9312 Firmware
Note: Solution for audio cutting out due to bass frequency. Only do this procedure if "Update MCU Firmware v123" does not solve the problem.
Link: forum.fiio.com/note/showNoteC...
"Set my Dad back $1,200.00" Classic;......
I just received mine and I noticed that I can hear a hissing noise( electrical noise) whenever I’m on filter 6 which is louder than the sound being played .I don’t know if I should just return it or if there is a way to fix it someone please tell me if they have had the issue and how to resolve it/ what to do with it
Fiio K7 have different vs K11 if i have Dt770Pro 80 Ohm and they can connect only to unbalanced output? Or maybe something else good fit for this headphones? (It is desirable that the high frequencies are not too high)
Okay so, im really glad i stumbled upon your review, I was liking the K11 and i didnt even know it has filters, imma try to see if the store demo have which filter turned on
thank you very much
"I was liking it until someone told me not to" lol
Just tested this, no siblance in any filter. You got a bad unit?
Possibly. Did you test with Rebecca Pidgeon’s Spanish Harlem?
Just bought this DAC today as a display stock because it was the only one they had in silver. I tested it out with a pair of Hifiman Sundara’s and it sounded pretty damn good to me. I didn’t notice any sibilance or issues with the gain settings on high, still sounded clean with no distortion, unlike my SMSL C200, which is absolutely useless on high gain. I bought the K11 because the SMSL C200’s USB input stopped working for some reason, and was just useless with my phone as a music source, and Bluetooth sounded less clean than USB when it did work. Really annoyed though because now I have to go back to the shop that I got it from, because they forgot to put the crucial part back in the box, which is the cord that goes from the transformer brick to the power point. I know it was a simple mistake, but if you’re gonna sell display stock, then make sure that you check to make sure everything that was supposed to be in the box is in there!
I didn't notice any issues with gain settings either. Filter #3 - Rebecca Pidgeon's "Spanish Harlem" was where I heard sibilance. Removing the filter (using #7) removed the sibilance (probably 99% of it).
@@scientificaudiophileI am ordering a K7 today.
do we need to spend more than $10 on a apple dongle dac if we only use iems that requires very little power ? if not what is your dac recommendation for iems exclusively under $150 ? thanks
absolutely not. Dongle is all you need with efficient iems.
Fiio KA11, 29 dolars of pure gold
Man wich cam you used for recording? The details are so great
I use the Sony - Alpha ZV-E10
@@scientificaudiophile came to make the same comment, video quality is insane! Bravo to Sony then
This is one of the best ratings yet, if I'm not wrong? Very good review. I like how you incorporate other reviewers judgement and ask if you or they are wrong!
Other reviewers confuse me. Not all of them. I like a few.
Thank you for the review - im looking for dac/amp for DT1770 250ohms. What would you recommend?
What price range and features?
How cloud NOS filter outperform Fast/Sharp roll-off Linear Phase filter?
Incorrect implementation
"Stars, panthers, or thumbs ups"
Damn shots fired 😂
is k11 okay for an long time use with dt900 pro x(48ohm)?, or what would you recommend in about under 200$?
K11 is fine, but if you can spend a little more, I highly recommend the JDS Labs Atom 2 bundle for $272
Hey! I'm new to the audiophile universe and I recently ordered a Beyerdynamic DT 990 250 Ohm for me and my father in law. I've seen/read all kind of reviews, but they're all so different. I've checked out FiiO k5, K11. Creative Sound blaster G6 GC7, X5. Topping DX3 Pro+, but I'm clueless. Which Desktop DAC/AMP would you recommend for under $200+/-?
K11
@@scientificaudiophile Thanks, just bought it. Sounds pretty good!
Long live that Bisch.
Talking about filters what filter do you recommend for the rne'adi-2 fs? I'm currently using SD Sharp but would like your opinion
I've got my Line Out set to SD Sharp as well.
i'M Looking for DAC AMP (using more on DAC) with neutral to warm sound (not analiticall, dry) for streamer RPi4.
Anyone tested on Linux/Volumio/piCorePlayer. K11 vs DX3 Pro+ on sound , build quality?
DX3 is better than K11. Build quality actually goes to K11.
@@scientificaudiophile Thanks.
Hey, I don't really know if you will have the time to awnser this question. But I am french, and I am using the Edition XS from Hifiman. Here the Atom 2 stack is too expensive, do you think that the K11 will be a good buy, or will I miss something in my audio experience with it combined to the XS?
K11 if you use the 4.4mm will be just fine.
@@scientificaudiophile OK thank you vrry much !
nice review was thinking of getting a apm\dac here and im new in that world i just got the Beyerdynamic DT 900 PRO X 48ohms and everyone told me it will sound 10 times better with an amp but no can direct me to something decent and if they do there's no where to get them from in my country.. what would u suggest for a begginer thats actualy good and dont wanna spend over 300$ for something
I couldn't recommend the Atom DAC/Amp combo more highly. czcams.com/video/anaS6zcv7b4/video.html
I recently got myself the Massdrop x Sennheiser HD 6XX Headphones but dont have a DAC/AMP to run them, so i have just been using them directly from my desktop PC.
I have noticed that it is a bit soft and cant get the volume just right.
Would these be a good choice for them or is there other DAC/AMP that is around the same budget?
Most people i have talked to who have this headset recommended Massdrop O2 + SDAC DAC/AMP but that is out of stock (For months).
In all honesty, the K11 is a very good product. Highly recommended. Just play around with the filters. I recommend #6 - no filters.
I wanna buy a dac .. to 100$ what is your suggestion?
I was thinking about k3
(I have dt990 edition 32 ohm and 700 pro x)
With a $100 budget, I’d get the FOSI SK02.
¡Muchas gracias por este review! Esa información de los filtros es importante conocerla 🤔 estoy pensando en adquirir este DAC/AMP 🤔 Tengo el FiiO Q3 MQA y quiero usar al 100% mis ARTTI 10
Great review! Thanks. Question: I need a DAC that can do the following: Accept an optical s/pdif input - coming from my desktop computer. Simultaneously drive my headphones via the balanced output - and drive my desktop powered speakers via the RCA line-outs. Can the FiiO K11 drive both at the same time? And if so, would running the balanced output and RCAs at the same time cause any sound degradation? My main goal is get away from using the analog audio output from my computer - and instead, use a quality DAC, and the optical s/pdif output from my computer. And then use the DAC to drive headhones and my powered speakers - and to be able to run them at the same time. If not the FiiO K11 - do you have another recommendation that would solve this problem? Thanks again!
Fiio can't do line out while driving headphones .
I just got this K11 DAC/Amp after watching many reviews including this one. You need to double press the volume knob to switch between LO and PO (or via the menu using long press), and each output remembers the last volume setting.
If you need simultaneous Line Out and Headphone Out perhaps you can look at Fiio K3S, but that model does not have individual volume setting and Fiio recommends disconnecting Headphone for safety reason.
I hate when unsupervised parents get ahold of handbrake or audacity on computer systems.
Sometimes I miss the great DAC wars. It really allowed us to buy products based on what matters, subjective placebo.
Parents are the worst!
Can you suggest DAC/amp under 200$ or 300$? Thanks in advance👍
Yes I can. I like the FIIO K11 at $129. Right now I just started testing the $199 FX-Audio DX07. I should have that review done by mid-April, but it looks promising. A bit of an issue on hi-gain with low impedance headphones, but otherwise good. It hasn’t been released yet.
Can I use this as a pre amp to my NAD power amp?
Yes
What other Dac at this price range do you recommend? I was planning to buy this one.
This is a good DAC. My filters were flawed, but using no filter solved everything.
@@scientificaudiophileWhich one do you prefer? This one or the Ifi Zen DAC Air?
K11
You scared me when I saw the word "Garbage". I had just ordered a K11 twenty minutes prior to power my Senn HD6xxs'. Nice review... thanks!
It’s a very nice DAC/amp. Enjoy it.
Your head has rounded curves. My vocabulary is fine. Keep up the magnanimous work.
This is one of those things where once you hear it you can’t hear it. My current app was pretty bright and splashy, and I was contemplating the warmer sound of the k11. Once I got it, I wasn’t really happy with it but mostly because it didn’t seem to sparkle much. I played with the filters a little bit and then settled back in at number three. Then I watch your video and listen to the song you recommended and I’m like holy shit now I can’t unhear this sizzle. Turn the filter off and it definitely smooth things out.
I’m surprised other reviewers don’t chat about the filters because I could hear the subtleties between them and I am by far no golden ear
You scared the shit out of me at the beginning 😂
But seems like it‘s not a bad dac/amp for the price, so I ordered it. Really excited to test this with my sundara
It’s really a great DAC/amp for the price.
@@scientificaudiophile Can definitely confirm that. Had my Audient iD4 before that and I nearly had to turn up all the way to get the sundara sounding loud enough. With the K11 at mid gain, I'm at 29 and it's loud enough. Also the sundara sounds definitely better with the K11, I feel like it's more natural and softer. So very satisfied for now and for the price.
@@scientificaudiophile Btw. did you face the same problem as me? I found out that after you stopped a video or spotify and waited for some longer time and pressing play again, then it has around 2 seconds delay. If you faced the problem, did you find a solution for it? Otherwise I would send it back because like this it's not very enjoyable. Well, one or two hours later, it would be smart to upgrade the firmware... Could fix some issues...
@@lorenz7550 That was not an issue with the K11 I had - started up instantly (on Windows 10 Pro)
@@scientificaudiophile Then it could be something on Windows 11, but seems like I fixed it now (just with a firmware upgrade xD)
I tried this device with all the filter settings. Also used the Rebecca Pidgeon’s Spanish Harlem- great tip btw.
As I could not find in Qobuz, I used the Spotify version. I did not hear any siblance. Words like "special", "rose" or "stars" sound natural to me.
Currently testing the K11 and the Toppings DX3Pro+. In general I prefer the sound of the DX3. The only lowlight is its case & display.
Thanks for sharing!
how much different is it ? like moon and sun? or moon and starlink satelite ?
Hey man. I'm currently testing the k7 bluetooth version and the dx3pro+. Not sure if you have the k7 too but did you end up picking a winner?
thank you for your golden ears and thoroughness, bought this as a first DAC/amp as I have a set of focal clears coming in the mail that came with a custom 4.4mm cable so i just needed a stopgap with a balanced output as i decide which step further to take later. Could only imagine how crushed I'd be by the filter 3 default coloring the experience
Glad to help!
Love your reviewing style. Instant sub.
The filter thing is just FiiO being FiiO.
I'm on my third device from this company as the value for money is definitely there, as is the sound quality. BUT, and it's a BIG BUT, their firmware QC is amongst the worst. I've had issues with KA3 (gave it away), BTR7(returned) and now K7(having fun with customer support). K7 exhibits sound fading for split second randomly, which triggers me a lot, especially when gaming.
Not a single reviewer mentioned this flaw. Bunch of collab shills in this hobby. Hope you're not one.
We’ll find out, as I’ve got the K9 (not a K7) in a box. Reviewing a couple other products first, but I’ll listen to my Bish and we’ll see if she goes down randomly on me.
FiiO’s software department is an absolute nightmare. From firmware to apps, the only company worse at it is Moondrop.
A newer review by GadgetryTech also confirms sibilance issue at default Filter 3.
I just got this DAC/Amp and agree that Filter 3 is the sharpest ssssstttttt sounding filter.
I bought a D40 Pro and there somtimes were short pauses, for about a second, in varying places. My Cambridge Audio has no issues with the same music. Sigh.
would this be okay for DT990 Pro 250OHM
Absolutely, especially if you have 4.4 mm cable.
@@scientificaudiophile i don’t but will it be fine without a 4.4?
You'll be fine unless you want more power. Try it out and if you want more power just go to the 4.4 .
@@scientificaudiophile okay thanks bro
I am not sure if this helped me decide to get the K11 or not to get it for my 6XXs
I’d still get it.
@@scientificaudiophile Just ordered it. Thank you so much!
Now that is a review I was writing about previously... Keep it up and remember about alcoholics + abstinents that completely don't understand the wine scoring scheme! 🤗!
You are defeating sibilance (4.000 - 8.000 Hz) with a filter in a range of ~ 20.000 Hz?
Btw: it's not 6.5mm. It's 6.3mm.
Right you are about 6.3, not 6.5. But not defeating sibilance with a filter, defeating it by not using a filter.
@@scientificaudiophile All these six filters work in this frequency range.
I just ordered the FiiO for a personal check :-)
SA delivers everytime, another gem here...always leave with sore cheeks from laughing the entire time
RME can now be controlled by an app on computer. Super simple now!!
The DX3+ Pro has filters settings also
True, but I couldn't hear a difference in Toppings filters.
@@scientificaudiophile Me neither
I also have Fiio BTR7. The filter does nothing
I thought filters was just snake oil
Maybe if the samples are dense, there’s less space to hear it. Have no ideia
@@fabianoberlim9636 True - the filters shouldn't make a difference, that's why I thinking the implementation of the filters in the K11 is a problem.
@@scientificaudiophile That’s a good point. At least it has 1 good option
Hans Beekhuyzen has a reference System....😂 🥰
I have a verum-1. It did a lot of good things, especially for the money. At the end of the day, planar just weren't my bag.
It hasn’t arrived yet, but I’m very curious about it.
@@scientificaudiophile they do outperform many of the lower cost hifi man.
Oof, you really shouldn't judge the planar category based on the Verum 1, it's an outlier with a veiled detail-hating signature and the high-resistance single-ground-wire (high crosstalk!) stock cable coupled with the very low-impedance drivers scrunch up the soundstage like you're listening to music in a hallway. At the very least these should be tested with a proper 4-wire cable with separate returns for the L and R at least up to the amp plug, or with a "balanced" cable if you have the setup for it.
I watched a few reviews on it and was always recommended to use filter 6
No issues with my demo unit in store…
I feel ya. Zeo can be a bit too much sometimes.
Now this is a classy review. I'm sold.
Pure adult entertainment. This is meant as a compliment. Sibillance is it’s default! Golden ears & decent Merlot rule!
For clarificatuon- the audiophile mindset is an entry requirement; but WOW this guy raises the bar on dry ( or should I say wet) humour: buy this channel✌️
There is nothing humorous about my channel. I don't know what you would consider humor in any of my videos. But as they say, everyone's different.
@@scientificaudiophileTrue- t’s all about the sound. But we also have laughter & that’s very palatable to my ears.
Laughter lacks enough sibilance.
Wait! This isn’t the r2r k11?
I’m sorry. Did not know there were two versions of the k11
No, it’s not that version.
Yeah, I jumped the gun. 😂
Looks cool, tho
It's not a bad unit, especially for the price. Just remove the filters and you've got a good deal for $129.
Nice review. Consensus is that these filters, ubiquitous in budget Chinese DACS, make little or no difference to the sound. The Scientific Audiophile has taken that consensus, ripped it up, fed the fragments into a shredder, taken the shredder to a steelworks, dropped it into the molten metal and irradiated the remains.
Good job.
PS I hate sssssssibilance with a passssssssion.
PS PS Brave fellow, taking on the Verum One. Its a great headphone and its production, effectively by one man, is remarkable. Unfortunately it's maker has proven himself to have deeply problematic views and attitudes, often towards his customers. That's a real shame and I look forward to hearing your take.
I just sold my pair a couple of months ago to fund PX8s for holiday purposes, and miss them. already.
I’m definitely hoping that he qc’d these twice before sending them.
The review starts at 5:10 min in.
Trying so hard that it gets kinda ridiculous.
FIIO is trying hard, but its not ridiculous yet.
Are you saying that the rest of these maniacs ARE NOT listening to the products they review? I don't know how to feel about that...
Ummmm...
Like a shoe shine guy wearing dirty sneakers, it's a little hard to take you seriously when the audio of your unboxing portion sounds like this. A couple minutes later you're bashing the sibilance... while your mic has been picking up a buzzing noise the whole time. "It was obvious, and annoying."
So you heard it too!
I`m hearing sibilance right now lol, and hiss, and humming, and just nasty sound in general, oh wait, it`s this video 😂
I’m always teaching on my channel.
honestly, this was pretty annoying to listen to. Fun fact, the term annoying is interchangeable with unbearable.
Agreed. With those filters, the K11 was pretty annoying to listen to.
Best reviewer I have seen on youtube. wow.
Now I do not know if it is just me but I could swear this video had sibilance.
Clearly this comment was paid by the Scientific Audiophile.
Wow! An honest review instead of paid youtubers saying something is good, when in fact is garbage...
Can I ask what is a reasonable entry level unit for someone new to the scene :)
you can't use any DAC's as reference point. it's hi-fi stuff. grab usb powerd sound card and don't be an *$%&! they are totally neutral and certefied for music making (and cheap). only few usb-interfaces who have lamps or made to mimic special sound of exact model of audio engineer console got coloration. focusrite, motu, steinberg, universal, etc - any of this will help.
I don't know whats wrong with fiio. They suddenly started to make highly sibilant and bright as f*** source devices only. We definitely know whats wrong with orher reviewers though 😂😂
non-oversampling is literally wrong though??? Is this a joke video?????
Why wrong? Its the untouched digital data which sounds right on mnost cases.
@AudioAI is correct. "non-oversampling" is no sampling. It's option #6 in FIIO's menu.
Bish on top of a big DAC. Good job that didn’t get spellchecked.
Bro, are you quite literally deaf to those high frequency beeps you put in this video? I have my headphone volume at 8% and they blew out my ears, and no I'm not a teenager.
Should I really the trust the review, of a man with such shitty mic quality?
Yes
Not very 'scientific'. Perhaps you should change your name.
It’s all about the science at Scientific Audiophile.
actually screw you for that "piii" at the start of the video, you damaged my ears
Shame on You! For messing with my ears on the first seconds... ....
The Alcoholic Audiophile
Aren’t all audiophiles alcoholics? I thought that was common knowledge.
Are you comparing a dac with hundreds of hours of use and a dac just out of its box? because I would like to have a useful opinion on the K11 but as long as this one is out of its box and a test after your opinion is useless, and also you have to understand that all the opinions on the internet, at least a hundred, suspicious and zoom on the dac although it is only half of the DAC since it remains a big black block which often ends up annoying us under the desk with its parasitic wires which touch others etc. while a larger box with the integrated power supply is so cool, despite everything the reviews only say Oh it's small, blah blah blah, NO it's huge and its price also determines the level of compactness possible, But you have to understand why the reviews don't talk about the power supply when in fact this is the most important, even on the Amazon product sheet, there is no photo on the page, I had to go to Google to find at the bottom of the image page a photo of the power supply, the product would already have to be broken in for dozens of hours , it's useless like the million reviews on the internet to give an opinion after taking it out of the box, it's incomprehensible and useless, sorry
This guy is hilariois 😂
fiio entering smsl and topping territory.. too bad it lacks bluetooth.(LDAC)
Ok so you're saying $1200 device is much better than $120 device? 🤯 gee who would've thought.
No, I'm saying the $199 Topping DX3+ Pro is slightly better than a $129 FIIO, but I would take a $55 MOONDROP DAWN PRO over the FIIO, if the filters weren't defeatable.
And soundblaster g6 just owns everyone for £100 best amp dac pound for pound on th e planet
@@scientificaudiophilewould you recommend the dawn pro over the k11 for easy to drive headphones?
This DAC/AMP actually is garbage. It hates bass heavy music. Every time the bass hits, the audio cuts out for 1 second. This is pretty much useless.
are you sure you made everything right? (updating software, use another preset other than default) because the thing youre saiyng is more of a like headphones problem, because I never meet problem like that even on a basic built in motherboard amp.
@@teeser8599I have 5 headphones here to test and I even reinstalled Windows, yet the issue still persists. I'm not the only person having this issue. The audio cutoff happens between 20-250hz at -3.3dB to -3.5dB at high sample rates. You can trigger this easily with Equalizer APO with the preamp setting. Anyways, I sent it back and now got the K5 Pro ESS and everything works perfectly fine now. I'm sick of the latest technology which works like the games in their alpha states.
Love your writing, performing and attitude. It is amusing that when I understand the humor, you are spot on and everyone else are douche bags, but when I don't understand the humor, you are the douche bag, no offense intended, lol. Maybe there are not enough smart people to fill in your audience?! Best regards, I appreciate that you are working against all odds.
As I said in the video, many of my viewers have an education one grade below the viewers @pimimpa has.
Surprisingly crap sound quality in your video for an audiophile. Also, try looking at the camera.
Only an audiophile could have heard the crap sound quality. Impressive!
Dude, look at the camera lens not the teleprompter.
Good advice
Bla bla bla bla...
Get a g6 simpley unbeatable and drives truck sized headphones with ease
Scientific Audiophile, please forgive my previous comment. The devil made me write it. I'm using HD660s with this dac/amp, and just learned that it was set on Filter 3 by default. Although I couldn't hear any sibilance before, it sounds more accurate now. Please find it in your heart to forgive me. It's a nice video.
Either my equipment isn't HiFi enough, or you truly do you have golden ears. You beautiful angel champion.
Or I could have gotten a flawed unit
Which filter do you recommend? Have it paired with HD 490 Pro 130 Ohm headset, need to get the perfect settings
@@RobViguurs#6 (which is no filter)
@@scientificaudiophile number 6 no filter? Good to know!!
Does gain level indicate what ohm headset you use? I currently have it on medium. Though 130ohm isnt that much. So maybe I can set low gain? If that makes sounds better. Though I have to up the volume then