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- First Take's Stephen A. Smith and Max Kellerman disagree over Floyd Mayweather's undefeated record.
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If Floyd Mayweather beats Conor McGregor, should it count towards his undefeated record?
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@Espn If Floyd Mayweather wins it shouldn't count. If Conor McGregor wins it counts. Get him out of here coach.
Hell no..if he lost it wouldn't count but celebrated.
Sas just disagreed for nothing. A amateur is a amateur....Connor is just already famous
The fight is a fucking joke
Max gets that serious face when its a boxing topic lol he knows he knows way more than Steven A on the subject
He should just stick with boxing. Not too many analysts can say they know more about the subject.
Yeah but stephen A has said this
Max also knows that May record is so great because he fought 22 champions and hofers but he dont say that. Now listen to older interviews when May was under Bob Aurim then he was the best ever haha
Stephen becomes Stephen B when max is around.
@@maroccomar2334 TBE as far as the business of boxing and maxing out on earnings and having minimal injuries, but he’s not the GOAT.
Mayweather is already 50-0. He defeated the Big Show at WrestleMania 24.
Daniel Orteez 51-0 didn’t he beat his ole lady ass
fake ass floyd
@@godsenddjoker5341 Fraud Floyd sounds a bit better
Mayweather Your fake champion
That’s scripted dumb as
Cringe anytime Stephen A attempts to argue Boxing with Max.
It's like a baby arguing with a professor lol.
Max Kellerman's boxing knowledge is on point
Nelson bolanos never went 50 and 0 he finished 34 and 5 first time I’ve seen him wrong though
So if he lose does it count?
if he wins that shit dont count..and im a big Mayweather fan
Rich Jackson what? So answer bro question if he loses will he be 49-1..if so then the win should count too if not then this just a charity fight and we all know that ain't the case.
If he loses give him 49- 1 but if he wins I dont want to see him bragging about being 50- 0
idk, is the Antonio Inoki fight on Muhammad Ali's record?
rayrza2 they didnt fight in boxing, so the record is not on alis boxing record. It was a kind of free fight
Max kellermans the best hands down
my wife lets me watch espn when he's on
max always looking like he about to spit some bars whenever given the opportunity
Why the fuck do they have to speak of it in such a complicated way. It's a boxing match that Mayweather wanted, therefore, whether he wins or loses, it should go on his record. It's that simple
Jerome H lets not forget the fact that Conor called him out and then fans wanted it before Floyd even entertained it.
James Jones Very True
I was about to say the same thing. Floyd even said in interviews he didn't even know Connor McGregor was until he heard him calling him out in multiple interviews and press conferences
Jerome H Randy got the W vs Toney.... Sooo
It's true but Mayweather was retired, it's not like he was forced to take the fight. He took it upon himself to accept it
If McGregor counts, Then The Big Show should count too.
Robert Wisdom uh Floyd beat Big Show
Robert Wisdom lol
Yeah.. So he's already 50-0
Rap Sure-Exactly. Lol.
Malcolm Little-Exactly. He should already be 50-0
Max won Unanimous here, Stephen A. was out classed by Max lol Stephen A. is in Maywetaher's pay day. hahaha
Once Conor got his boxing license, he became a professional boxer. He's no different than Canelo or Mosley. He's entering his first professional fight, but it is a sanctioned and professional fight nonetheless. All the stats in this fight should count and should go on the record of both fighters.
Let's say, instead of Conor, Floyd fought a no name amateur making his pro debut. That would still be counted as a professional fight and it would count as Floyd having a 50-0 record. Just because it's a pro debut doesn't mean it doesn't count.
People only call this fight an "exhibition" because of how lopsided they feel this fight will be. This isn't Thunderlips vs Rocky. Conor isn't stepping into the ring barefoot wearing 4 oz gloves.
Megumi I somewhat agree cause all his wins are knockouts and have been done mostly standing up.
Just haters.
Whacugondowiththeselosers
Max is 1000% correct. 50-0 will be legit but has nothing to do with the heavyweight record. There are fighters below heavyweight that retired undefeated and some that had more than 50 wins.
Anyone else really happy that boxing is becoming big on First Take?
Stephen A. Smith You are a CLOWN!
I remember as a child you couldn't pay me to sit and watch sport discussions but now I watch it religiously and always find myself intrigued.
Dayum, I agree with max on the one.
Lol you sound surprised to say that
Max just obliterated SA AGAIN
He's a lot better when it comes to commentating on Boxing.
SAS has that "I think I know everything" voice in this video. He always thinks he knows everything, but he only speaks in this tone sometimes
Floyd may be an undefeated fighter but clearly he's not the Greatest of all time. 🤭
Name one fighter who can beat Floyd, other than Sugar Ray Leonard
@@markydan1232 castillo. Easy
@@killerbee691 Castillo did not win either of those fights, y’all need to stop
@@markydan1232 Whitaker in my opinion would be the major favourite against Floyd
Floyd definitely the greatest of all time. Over Ali over ray Leonard.
Sometimes numbers are just a numbers
so then should it be 49-1 if he should lose??? then it shouldn't count either way....
max is right
so if Conor somehow ko's Mayweather, everyone would want that loss to be on his professional record.
You ever tried counting how many times Max blinks when he listening to someone else talk......
I bet if Floyd were to lose, every one will say he should be 49-0
Anyone can tell me what's the name of the song at 0:50?
I've only heard the media count this as #50.
Finito lopez 51-0 retired as champion in the 90s
sports genius who??? Lol
Mr Boot Ricardo ell finito Lopez
sports genius yeah no
Mr Boot you don't know shit
sports genius yeah sure but no he has a lost relax
Well the point both Max and Steven A. are missing (which surprises me given that they are supposedly boxing experts) is that 50-0 is not really a record. Marciano's 49-0 is the longest undefeated streak only in the heavyweight division. The longest record in all of boxing is 87-0 set by Julio Cesar Chavez Sr. Chavez went 87-0 before having a draw, then went 91-0-1 before finally losing a fight, plus there have been several previous champions with more than 50 wins on their resume prior to losing. As I said, 49-0 is only the heavyweight record. Floyd can't touch that because he's never competed at heavyweight. He doesn't qualify to chase the Marciano record due to not competing in that weight class and at age 40 he will never catch Chavez at 87-0. I can't believe how Max, a supposed boxing expert doesn't get that.
Pacquiao at 42, is scheduled to fight on August 21, 2021 against the undefeated / unified WBC & IBF 147lbs champion E. Spence Jr an eleven years younger. They're fighting for the "Lineal', Ring plus WBA, WBC, IBF titles. Spence is much taller, has longer reach, way bigger, heavier. And he's the current # 1 in the Welterweight plus the # 5 in the Pound for Pound best as of June 25, 2021.
depends on how good the fight is...
Are they fighting for the belt?
I don't really get how Mayweather fans do numbers but I guess it's the illiteracy thing since 0 is the only number you're familiar with... birds of a feather do flock together. Ask about Julio César Chávez, Willie Pep, Jimmy Wilde look at the numbers then come back and make that noise!
Chavez lost 4 times
Wille fought even more Bums than Marciano.
@@henryix9229 241 fights, it's inevitable
Julio Caesar Chavez fought cab drivers
Bklynstndup and a part time mariachi band member
Max definitely earns this paycheck, he's a knowledgeable SOB
I agree with Max he used facts
It don't matter if he deserves it or not if he wins he will have it end of conversation.
regardless of the circumstances its a pro fight, win or lose it counts
Stephen A: I respectfully disagree with you .. totally. 😐
Max over there lookin like the undertaker 😂
Alot of those all time greats from back in the day faught guys who were making there 1st pro debut or fighting guys with losing records...Sugar Ray Robinson faught like 31-32 different fighters that were below 500 fighters or making there pro debuts... Thats not even counting guys who had double digit losess...
Steven a is correct. This event is a disgrace and an insult to all boxers
1:25 exactly why I believe it counts as a 50th win, 100% agree with max
This is my whole ordeal with this, Rocky had a real padded record and there's many facts on that. Floyd had come back fights with guys that were tune up fights and would fight the champ the next fight. Rocky would face bums fight after fight and there are stories on some fighters taking dives. Floyd doesn't have that kind of history with questionable losses other than maybe a fight that was very close and he gave him a rematch to just shut him up.
If your first fight counts, as the beginning of your professional career, your last fight should count as well even if its being against a first timer professional boxer, who by the is the an elite UFC fighter.
MAX STOP BLINKING!!
Everybody always goes against mayweather ever since he started boxing, and he always prove people wrong. I don't know how people hate greatness. 50-0
Rocky Marciana fought bums and won some of them fights due to the Mafia making them guys "dive". Most people forget Marciano had ties with the Mafia.
Did Randy get a W vs Toney? Yes.. Nuff said
Beautifully said by both guys 👍
Going to 50 for fighting an MMA fighter that's crazy I can't believe this shit Mayweather stealing every casual money.
Only boxing fans who support domestic violence support floyd and think he is tbe. Theres no way imma respect a man that fought his wife b4 and waited for a ko b4 he finally took a fight with manny
Chevaughn Miller bro I can guarantee somebody you like in music, TV shows or whatever has done some shit and you still rock with em. I ain't no damn woman beater at all I don't condone it but get tf over it bruh be went to jail time served. Plus that shit was fishy anyway that lady ain't have no scars or nothing on her but whatever
All yall responding we gone see what yall really made of when the time right we all see how crazy shit really getting
It should count! Anytime Floyd Steps in the ring AND FIGHTS IN A Professional Licensed Contest It Should count. Because on any give day he can lose... So, if you count the loses, you most definitely have to count the wins....
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i don't think this one is how you feel if it should count or not, it just is what it is. correct me if im wrong but its a sanctioned event with signed contracts so it is a real fight and it should count. Is this being promoted as an exhibition?
Whether it should or shouldn't it does. It's on the books. Its a sanctioned boxing match.
why does kellerman blink 3 times a second lol
Max, we love you.
There's no way it should count. Like Stephen A. Smith said Connor is not even a boxer, so to me I don't think it should count.
What song is that
Rocky jr just wants the rematch to happen, he wanted floyd to hit the bait
The comparisons that Max used to rationalize this are both ridiculous and disgraceful.
Based on what was said is it accurate to say if he loses it doesn't count?
Mayweather’s fight against the Big Show on WWE should count.
Why wouldn't this fight count tf
Stephen (and Marciano jr.) are correct in saying that this outcome should not effect either of their records because of the obvious.
Floyd he lost five times but the judges something wrong
chavez sr fought 45 bums in mexcio
He cannot compare himself to rocky Marciano anyway, Rocky had 43 wins by knockout, therefore a better record !!
darren barnes stupid..stupid. George foreman a.c. more ko.than ali...is he better ..stay out of way u Do not no about
Maurice Willims 49-0 26 knockouts, 49-0 43 knockouts ..... there it is right there, so tell me who has the better record moron ....... doesn't matter anyway, it'll be 49-1 soon enough !!
darren barnes a ko does not equate to a better win. Floyd goes out and wins 80% of the rounds in just about every fight. In several of Marciano's fights he was knocked down and had to struggle to a win.
jamal bethune whether he struggled or not he still knocked out all but 6 of em. You keep living up mayweathers arse and throw your comments elsewhere
darren barnes stfu idiot. 50-0
Randy couture fought James toney
49 - 1, it's just what's going to happen... The world will see Saturday...
How do you disagree with max kellerman when it comes to boxing
people talk all this shit about floyds record but he fought his fights in america every other so called undefeated fighter like chavez,duran,canelo majority of their fights was not in america so im not sayin they wouldnt be undefeated i just kno they wouldnt have that many fights on their record
If you count a loss then you have to count a win as well. If Floyd wins he should be recognised as 50-0
It's gonna count as a 1 in the defeat section...
Should have been counted as an exhibition fight
Floyd changed the game to where if you have a loss on your record your a scrub lol
That wasnt a good change. Fighter are now being "safe" picking matches bc 1 loss could end them. Those are ppl fans, not boxing fans.
Marciona fought at heavy weight.. much harder to do.. than the light weight or feather weight or batam weight divisions..
No it's not. The lighter weight classes have much more technically superior boxers. Most heavyweights are slow, basic, and uncoordinated, which is why Ali and Tyson's speed, movement, and technical ability was so revered. That's commonplace for anybody below 160.
If you are undefeated, it only means that you didn't have the balls to fight better opponents. There is no such thing as an undefeated or perfect fighter. Greatness doesn't come from being undefeated, it comes from facing adversity and overcoming it. Floyd hasn't bothered to take on the best at their best (ie. Pacquiao, Mosely, Marquez, etc)....were all out of their primes or certain conditions they had to meet that diminished their levels (ie see Marquez and how much weight he had to put on in such a short time...he looked fat...then look at him later vs pacquiao how he was ripped and on roids).
Floyd ducked a lot of great fights out there....he should have taken on a prime Sergio Martinez and GGG.
They don't wanna count it because it may be used as an argument in case Floyd loses the fight, which I don't think he will. (50-0 or 49-1 a fight is a fight.)
Flip side of that is If ( big if) F.M. losses ...will the haters count it as a loss? 🤔
This is a professional boxing match sanctioned by real boxing rules in the T-Mobile Arena. Both teams have signed their contacts into having their fighters compete in professional boxing matches, and both teams agreed to have a boxing match with a certified referee. This is a REAL boxing match, it doesn't fucking matter if Floyd is fighting Helen Keller. It's a real fight, it counts towards his record win or lose.
I love how people think the past was this glorious integrity. Boxing was always corrupt even from the beginning.
But if he loses the fight then yall gonna wanna count it on his record 😒😒😒
Compare any of the tomato cans Marciano beat compared to Conor. It should count.
Mayweather fought anybody who was thought of better than him and beat them easily he deserves this record more than anyone, so what it's gonna be non competitive but he has done over 10 years of world championship fights
Connor I bet you would be okay with Serena Williams vs Roger Federer.
Terrible comparison...
He fought everyone out of their prime or when they were being hyped up and too young
Mayweather always cherry picked his opponents, everyone knows that. He fought Pacman past his prime.
he fought Pacquiao out of his prime he waited too long, enough time when he knew he would win he lost to maidana he lost to castillo he lost to de la hoya he didn't fight GGG i think that says enough of Mayweather
Max brought facts and historical context and SAS brought his feelings smh
I shouldn't have counted.
If that's the case then if Floyd lose should it count. This should go both ways
Thank you Max!!!!!! 100%
Exhibition Fight for alot of money n 2 ppl who don't like each other. Remind me of Rocky vs Thunderlips lol
He's applauding his unbeaten wrecked
I don't think people should put these records in one box. Max is right because majority boxing rankings don't put Marciano in top 5 and sometimes not even top ten all-time because of his mediocre competition compared to others. It should just be about top Middleweight boxers and top Heavyweight boxers, regardless of record beacuse alot of fights are questionable
I agree it counts but max completely missed on comparing a pro-debut of a guy who won an Olympic in boxing to a guy making his pro-debut and is an MMA... Totally missed it there
Molly looks so different now
Without money these matches would never happen . So I'm not interested in the money issue unless it's directly tied to some sort of 'fix' or cheating . Obviously millions of people beg for these dream matchups for years and it's the money that breaks the dismissive party's wall every time. So if you go after the money aspect then you're arguing in favor of never seeing another dream matchup like this or others that are sometimes legendary historical events in sports. As far as the record is concerned, I see really good arguments on both sides of this , I'd hate to be the one who ultimately signs off either way, I'd probably flip a coin in private 😁 But this is a good opportunity to establish the policy for future similar circumstances surrounding a crossover fight .
Ok if it doesn't count to 50-0, then it shouldn't count as 49-1 if he loses
If Floyd loses to Conor, I bet they gonna say it counts.
Quick question, aren't they in the same building? Why tf they doing this split screen crap?
His w against big show at wrestlemania should count 😂
Kallme Tae 😂no bro😂