Lord Momin Duels Vader and Explains Why Darth Sidious is WEAK! (Canon)
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The Non-Canon Expert describes the showdown between Lord Momin and Darth Vader as seen in yesterday's Issue #24 of the Darth Vader comic, explaining both the outcome of the duel and the lessons that Momin passed along to Vader within his Fortress!
Sadly, only one issue left in this amazing series. I tried to focus on the events during the duel for this video, but I have to say, the information given by Lord Momin has inspired me to jump back into the discussions about the Force/ancient Jedi/ancient Sith in a pretty big way again similar to before The Last Jedi. There will be a lot to discuss in the very near future thanks to Lord Momin. :)
Thank you very much for joining me in the live stream yesterday (which was great as always!) and I hope that you enjoy today’s video.
What da heck bro!
Will we ever get a Korriban vid?
HAHAH I LOVE IT Jedi obsessed weaklings! it's my interpretation after reading this issue that Lord momin is definitely well before Darth Bane and the grand plan of the rule of two hopefully we will find out in the last issue but if not I will ask Mr. Charles Shoul on Twitter he's pretty good at responding to fan's great work as always my friend
I am in total agreement with you on this one Ryan! I always held off on committing to any type of "era" or timeline reference to when Momin was around since I wasn't confident when exactly it was yet. But I would have to think now that we are looking at millennia before Bane rather than mere centuries. "Ancient" Sith indeed. :) Hope you are doing very well Ryan and thank you for watching!
Star Wars Reading Club Definitely looking forward to what you make of Momin's arguments
what Momin has done, is greater than what you are reporting. Now in Canon. Sith HAVE RECONNECTED TO THE FLESH. NOT A FORCE GHOST. it puts me in RAGE< BECAUSE IN MY OPINION GEORGE LUCAS WAS SETTING UP VADER TO CHEAT DEATH. AND LUKE HAVING TO FACE VADER YET AGAIN AND HIS GRANDSON, after he thought his FAther had died. and his Force ghost that went to the light side told him. and why Luke had shut himself off to the force. because when he saw into the future of KYLO REN, HE SAW WHO HE WOULD HAVE TO FIGHT.. NOW THAT TWIST WOULD HAVE BEEN GREATER THAN. I AM YOUR FATHER.
"IF THE DARK SIDE HAD WANTED YOU TO LIVE, IT WOULD NOT HAVE CREATED *ME* "
-Darth Vader
This is an actually underrated underrated comment
Isn' t this from tf2?
Yep
@@nownumber5923 Team Fortress 2 or Transformers 2?
@@RIGHTFOOTPYRO team fortress 2
I like how the person drawing Vader in these comics they angle his helmet to try to show his emotion, even in a motionless mask
Lol, "interested"/"curious" Vader is always my favourite. :)
I got "close" to your 30,000+ point match for Geonosis last night, as I believe my best is around 25,000. How are you enjoying Geonosis and Obi-Wan JMess?
@@starwarsreadingclub DEFINITELY I have been becoming a hero on average throughout my last 7 or so matches around 2-3 times. The only thing that frustrates me I that despite my high battle point gain obiwan is never available, he's always taken so quickly. Hopefully I'll get him one of these times.
That's awesome! For whatever reason I've lucked out a bit with grabbing Obi-Wan in Geonosis, but it is usually near the end of the match and that third phase is pretty tough for the lightsaber heroes. I actually like Obi-Wan and hope to level him up a bit today as well with the double XP weekend.
@@starwarsreadingclub same here that's my plan, it's also REALLY difficult getting him on HvV you have to be READY to choose him IMMEDIATELY. And one time I DID get him on HvV the teams were pretty one sided, so I didn't really get much out of that game. I am disappointed with his mind trick ability tho, all it does is not allow the use of enemy abilities which people don't really use when in lightsaber combat....
@@jmess003 I do both while in light saber battle, especially for the fact light sabers are underpowered taking almost 7 to 12 swings
“...Why are you a stub of charred meat in a cape?”
Every time Vader duels someone on Mustafar he gets burned.
To be fair, I think he made sure that he'd have a better comeback than "I hate you" this time.
Darth Yo Mama
Very Vader of you. Props.
@@drivebye2709neither can Vader without his apparatus heyyyyy
Well done, my friend.
It was Momin's arrogance that lost him that fight. Had he continued to attack instead of lecturing Vader, he would have won. The sith do love their monologues.
I don't think he would:
1. It's not what The Force wants
2. Vader had enough power to crush Momin's neck and he couldn't do shit about it even tough he was freshly reborn and Vader was terribly beaten up not only by this fight but also by fight with Mustafarians who literaly flooded him with lava
Momin gave him the time he needed to gather that force and use it. It takes precious moments to prepare for something like that. To stay centered and focused.
Every Sith has died because of stupid arrogance. Way too predictable.
@@sirius4k To be fair if he didn't keep going it wouldn't have been an Epic scene. If Vader just said: 'Wait' and Momin just ended it there that would be incredibly boring despite the fact that Momin ends up winning.
A common mistakes villains make all the time. It's not enough to just win. They have to let their enemy know why they won and why they're superior. If they can't rub it in why they won, it doesn't feel like winning. They want their enemy to know that they won because they're superior to them in every way. They have to crush mind, body and soul or it's just not a complete victory. Pretty much every villain falls for this in some way or another.
As Darth Revan put it: "Those who use the dark side are also bound to serve it. To understand this is to understand the underlying philosophy of the Sith."
But then there's this: “The Jedi shackle themselves in chains of obedience: obedience to the Jedi Council; obedience to their Masters; obedience to the Republic. Those who follow the light side even believe they must submit themselves to the Force. They are merely instruments of its will, slaves to a greater good.” - Darth Bane
The ego is a good servant, but a terrible master.
@Camilo Pitterson Nice, I didn't understand that quote, so I looked it up. It's actually, "To believe in an ideal, is to be willing to betray it. It is something no Sith or Jedi has ever truly learned." I think her meaning in this is better articulated in her explanation of why she uses the force: "I use it as I would use a poison, and in the hopes of understanding it, I will learn the way to kill it." But it still doesn't explain the "truly believe" part. Like, I believe in all of my chosen ideals. Are there exceptional things or situations that would convince me to compromise them? Yes. Maybe that understanding is what makes the difference between just liking something and truly believing in it? Either way, I think her point agrees with bane's perspective, that a Sith gains freedom by rejecting servitude in all its forms.
Revan, The Revanchist, The Prodigal Knight, Darth Revan, The Mysterious Stranger. Both Jedi and Sith, but in the end, neither. The Savior of the Republic, and it's doom. Revan was very powerful and very wise, a force user with no peers, and one of the few who truly understood what the force really was and how to balance it.
Was Darth Revan a heretic?
The Rule of Two Sith vs the Ancient Sith
EXACTLY, I loved everything about this aspect of the duel Daryl!
Exactly.
This needs to be a movie
The Power Hungry New way vs. The Balanced Old Way
Daryl Franklin, Jr. clearly the rule of two is more powerful than we originally thought
I think that Lord Momin was right about how serving the Dark Side, rather than believing that the Dark Side serves the Sith. It is rather apparent in the success of his gateway's creation, and his ability to stop time. However, I think what led to Momin's defeat was his own pride and dismissal of the Chosen One prophecy. Momin believes (or knows, depending on how you interpret his achievements) the Dark Side loves him, but he underestimated how much both sides of the Force - the Light and Dark Side - want the Chosen One to live.
That is one way of interpreting it, and makes sense. It depends on the belief that the force was always on the side of the chosen one. Even so, I believe that Momin was just wrong, and that Vader succeeded in defeating him because he did not surrender to the force, or to Momin. He was on the ground with one arm, seemingly defeated. But instead of accepting this loss, he defied it and killed Momin with his own power. Vader took the moment, and therefore the will of the force, into his own hands, and gained victory. Even the sith code suggests that a true dark side user takes what's theirs, rather than earning it by surrendering to something. "Through passion I gain strength, through strength I gain power, through power I gain victory, through victory my chains are broken."
@@Evan_L That is traditional Sith philosophy, but Momin was branded a heretic because he did not follow said philosophy. To be more specific, Momin followed the philosophy in his own way that allowed him access to abilities other Sith did not. He followed his passion as an artist, choosing not to take an apprentice and instead pursue further knowledge of the Force. In his pursuits, where he realized his sole audience should be the Dark Side, that he should work to glorify the Dark Side, he gained strength, he gained power, gained victory and broke his chains.
Momin did not surrender himself to the Dark Side of the Force. He followed his passion, directed that passion towards serving the Dark Side itself, and in so doing attained the power to stop time, and attained the means to pierce the veil of time to resurrect himself. Contrast to the rule of two and modern Sith, which solely focused on the Sith's goal of revenge against the Jedi and ruling the galaxy.
Momin believed himself to be loved by the Dark Side of the Force, and he most likely was, but he underestimated and did not understand that Vader was indeed the Chosen One. At that moment between the two, the Dark Side showed its favour for Darth Vader over Momin. Yet, perhaps, it still showed its love to Momin. Momin's Mask still has the power to corrupt others even years after his second death, and I wouldn't be surprised if the Mask survived the destruction of the Imperialis and shows up again in the canon.
@@Catalyst375 Momin was insane. If anything, he believed he was the Chosen One. The single person who understood the Dark Side in its entirety. He was quite simply wrong.
@@firetarrasque4667 And Palpatine himself wouldn't be considered insane.
Also, where on earth did you get the implication that Momin believed himself to be the Chosen One? He never mentioned anything to that effect, only believing that, in resurrecting his physical body from death, he became the masterpiece he strove to make. He was a Sith who had his own ideas on what the Sith should be and aspired to devote his art to the Dark Side of the Force.
Never, in the entire arc of this comic, did he ever have any delusions that he was the Chosen One. At most, he dismissed the modern Sith as weak because they saw the Dark Side as a tool to be used, rather than something to devote their actions towards.
@@Catalyst375 expect Momin was not criticizing the modern Sith he was criticizing the sith as a whole this is why he was considered/deemed a heretic by the ancient sith and his teachings were rejected. The force should serve the Sith have been one of the core teachings of the sith since their origins and it never changed even with the rule of two.
As Momin considered such teaching was the downfall of empires of the past and the sith.
Momin pretty much explains the major flaw of the rule of two
Hope he survive to the new trilogy
It's a great point here MC, I've actually gone back and rethought a lot of what Momin has said in these past few issues within the context of Bane and the Rule of Two. We fortunately know that the mask (and its corrupting nature) does survive past Mustafar here, but I like to think Momin is still out there in the universe somewhere even after the events of the Imperialis. :)
Interesting that his philosophy revolves around being a servant to the force, since Bane's whole philosophy was that you need to dominate it and make it serve you. Could the new canon be changing that narrative?
@@Evan_L i think theyre going to bring back the traditional sith ways pre- darth bane. so yes and no to the new canon changing the narrative, since theres really very few sith lords in the new canon. we are probably going to start seeing more old republic era sith and jedi after 2019
@C-Mack The Cavehill im talking marko ragnos era sith not the brotherhood of darkness that got wiped out by darth bane
@C-Mack The Cavehill you have to keep in mind that momin is considered a heretic sith even by his own time and many Sith after him rejected his teachings according to Sidious.
Momin belief and philosophy is unique to momin alone he is not supposed to represent the ancient sith beliefs.
I like that the only way Momin disarmed Vader was by taking advantage of Vader's damage suit and using Dun Moch against Vader's mind
That was probably the best "If not for me" you have done yet
Thank you Kai! I was definitely looking forward to seeing if anyone noticed the ending, so I appreciate that very much. :)
I hope you're doing great buddy and look forward to catching up soon.
@@starwarsreadingclub they always keep getting better 😂😂😂
@@starwarsreadingclub So savage!
Is Kylo a jedi obsessed weakling tho?
@@starwarsreadingclub I always make sure too stay for the end as it's one of my favorite things that actually made me want to sub
He said Sidious was either ignorant or withholding information. He never said he was weak XD Sidious is withholding info too.
DarkAlphaWerewolf yes but with these sentences he said that indirectly that sidious is weak and he is right if you compare him with ancient sith ；）
@@abeloth1116 Ummm no the emperor is way more stronger then the ancient sith
Taco Taco Sidious is powerful don’t get me wrong but ancient sith knew the true nature of the dark side they knew dark side secrets that the rule of two sith would be desperate to know.... everything Mormin said about Sidious and Vader was 100% correct this is why Vader & Sidious are both extremely deformed this is why Sidious was never killed by Vader so Vader could become the master and have a new sith apprentice because they both think the dark side serves them but really it’s the other way around and Sidious is also hoarding knowledge he also purposefully keeps Vader weaker than him so Vader will never have the chance to become master l
@@weed3728 Sidious is far more powerful then the ancient sith and the creator of Momin said himself that Sidious is far more powerful
@@abeloth1116 Canon Sidious and Vader would crush the ancient sith save for the members of the dark council. Legends Sidious and Vader would crush their entire empire with only vitiate being a challenge.
It's quite clear that Sidious was hoarding knowledge at this point. Ironically, when Vader injured on Mustafar, he had become what Dooku was -- a placeholder. Sidious no longer really considered Vader a worthy apprentice, and taught him only the bare minimum to complete his missions.
Until Vader started doing his own thing and trying to find sith texts to learn more without Sidious, then Sidious took notice and started giving Vader more knowledge. An example of this was giving Vader darth Malgus's holocron as to learn from someone who was just a copy and past clone of Vader
Not to mention Sidious constantly putting Vader through trials to see if he was still worthy of being his apprentice
This sounds typical Sith practices. Did any Sith Lord consider an apprentice worthy until the apprentice killed them? I think not.
@@jacobfreeman5444 That is exactly how the Sith work, indeed. A Sith Master expects his apprentice to kill him one day. If they never rise to a level of power where they can achieve that, then they were never worthy of being a Sith to begin with. This became even more true after Bane installed the Rule of Two. 'One master to embody power and one apprentice to crave it.'
@@jacobfreeman5444 Vader is not just any apprentice, though. He was supposed to be capable to become the strongest force-user, being the Chosen One recognized by both Sith and Jedi.
He wouldn't have had the nerve to say that to the Emperor's face.
He had a lot of time to observe in his mask, and he is not foolish to lecture anyone if he does not have equal footing. Literally in his case.
Odds are he understands the Dark Side to know how to deal with Force lightning once he got his body back.
he couldn't even beat a weakened Vader palps would of stomped.
@@Aereto sidious knew who momin was and what he was capable of and momin was locked away as a mask in secret vault in the jedi temple I highly doubt he observed much especially of sidious
@@coletrain6545
Fair point. Momin is locked up in the temple, though Sidious's probing works both ways. Someone in the era of the Ancient Sith Order may have more up their sleeves than the most recent Rule of Two Sith Lords.
@@Aereto na that's not the ancient sith way, they were much more in the open, they pretty much wanted the galaxy to know who they were and what they were capable of. Momin didn't know anything about sidious or how much he knew but sidious did however know everything about momin which is an automatic advantage to sidious especially given his power
Instead of serving the Dark Side of the Force, Vader wants to have the power to choose. The choice to do something at the best of his abilities. Abilities he wish to hone further even when he had failed to do before.
Momin may be empowered by the Dark Side of the Force but does not see the Light Side that can also do the impossible.
Yep! Jacen Solo in Legends knew this and became extremely powerful. It’s when we think, act and only believe In extremes we miss out on true power. Likewise Voldemort from HP (not a fan of the author for obvious reasons), never knew the love harry did So it left him weak.
If I was a force user. I’d deff be a Grey Jedi, slight affinity towards the dark over the light
This story would have made a blockbuster film.
Anything with star wars would. The recent films did well but were all shit.
Disney would find a way! To ruin it all.
But whose the strong female lead in this story? No SJW cause
@Camilo Pitterson you got your wish lol
@Camilo Pitterson I agree! Just imagine seeying the story of Darth Plageis, how he created Anakin, how Palpatine betrayed him and the struggles of young qui-gon and the Jedi. Also we need to see more of the Old Republic.
Would love to see a “Vader: A Star Wars Story”
There is 4 more channels that cover Vader issue....but star wars reading club always explain the star wars issues properly and with the sad music...
Thank you very much for watching Reynold and for the kind words. I hope that you enjoy the upcoming videos as well.
@@starwarsreadingclub tyvm @ star wars reading club...your contents always fascinates me and I would sure be looking out for the final Vader issue...late notification as usual 😀
I do feel the same. Especially since you appreciate legend material a bit more. I do like Lore master but no so much Star Wars Theory lately
If not for meeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee
For Jedi and Sith obsessed weaklings.
_"You think the Dark Side serves you? _*_WE_*_ should be serving the Dark Side."_
_"B-But I can't die, the Dark Side loves me"_
These last words ruined him for me, revealing him as either straight up dumb or hypocritical.
I had forseen this.. u will see me again...
Not really, It could easily mean "I serve it,therefore it loves me"... much like people will say their god loves them because they serve.
Every sith lord gangstah until the ancient artist sith woke up
'Momin cut off Vader's arm, disarming him.'
I see what you did there.
Clearly he never met the senate or he would have been terrified
This is canon not eu
I beg to differ...
Only if the Jedi were as to the force(as a whole) as Momin was to the Dark Side, the would be unstoppable.
@Leo Ix the force "as a whole", light and dark
If one favours Light or Dark, they reject the other. Either way leads to chaos.
The Bendu, The ancient force practitioners knew of it much better, than anyone else.
@@ThanatosZero exactly, that's why in reality the Grey Jedi where true to the force and used light and dark evenly
@@ThanatosZero The Gray is nothing more than Apathy, as Kanan pointed out, it dosen't deserve the hype.
I've read A LOT of Star Wars novels, comics and other sources, both canon and non-canon and one thing that keeps popping back up, time and time again, no matter what era the story takes place in, it's that the force always seeks to balance itself out. If it starts to tip over to one side too much, it will attempt to balance itself out by going a bit more the other way. The further it tips one way, the harder it will attempt to move in the opposite direction. One theory says that that's why the Jedi Order had to be wiped out in the Skywalker era. Too many Jedi had been using the light side of the force for too long, while there were only two Sith who tapped into the Dark Side and this carried on for nearly a millenium. The Force was completely out of balance. That's also why the Jedi at the time were experiencing diminished connections to the Force. Too many of them had been tapping into the one side for too long. That's why it had to lash out at them so violently through Anakin and wipe them out. I can't remember which source I got this from, but there is one in particular that delves pretty deep in explaining that the force is like an element of nature. It doesn't feel compassion, it doesn't feel remorse, it doesn't feel anger or hatred. It just is and all it seeks to do is keep itself in a perpetual state of balance and it will lash out at anyone and anything that attempts to upset that balance sooner or later.
Momins philosophy is quite interesting ! even after all these analysis I don't think I have a full grasp on it. He looks down upon vaders persuit of murdering Jedi despite the fact that the Jedi were the ones whom ruined his original plans. To momin they would seem more of an obstacle, not caring to kill the light so much as focusing on serving the dark and light suffering by proxy.
Momins fate and philosophy of the dark side preserving those that serve it seems to have some sort of ground when you compare it to dark side beings from legends like mur, naga shadow, and nihlus. They endured past their mortal deaths but they became tools and corrupting forces of the darkside rather than working by their own volition. Their price at having imortallity. By contrast Sith that attempt to try and use the dark side to serve themselves usually end up having it betray them and everything back fires.
Its pretty widespread that the force does not like people trying to resist its will. If I recall, it tried to fuck Plagueis up directly after he learned how to manipulate Midichlorians.
Sith and Jedi both have it wrong. The force wants balance. It doesn't want either side to over power the other.
Who ever writes these should be writing the star wars movies
Great video. I had always thought it would be interesting if a Sith Lord of the past era, prior to the rule of two, could pass judgement on the current era of Sith. This is a great comic series, one of my favorites right up there with Son of Dathomir.
I agree. After Darth Tenebrous, Lord Plaguies master, the Sith never followed the dark side. In fact, the rule of two was designed so that the dark side would be served the best.
The fact that Momin disarmed Vader in such a way says volumes, Ancient Sith far better than the present.
Vader is overrated
@@TheGOAT-dr1sq Underrated*
At least strength-wise
@@crowwithinternetservice
Yes Vader is underrated I think typos
Uh, no, not really. Vader was badly damaged at this point, and yet he insta crushed Momin showing how weak he is in comparison to Vader.
2:13 when he said about Padme I already knew Vader's gonna f*** him
I like this comic a lot because you get to see darkside user versus darkseid user and you and it to classify the RTI which side was right and which was wrong seeing Vader versus Lord Momi, it was pretty intense and the fact that Momin literally got under Vader skin and was pretty impressive and even cutting off his arm that was awesome it's like what happened to the old republic sith versus the modern-day Seth.
Great video. “Cutting off his arm, ‘disarming’ him...”
Lol that tickled me.
I like this "losing their way thing" not just in jedi but in sith too!its just show how both of them lost their ways even in legends ancient sith era had a diffrent ideology about the force its just show how old ideologys change throw out time.
but it is not sith "losing their way" Momin is considered a heretic and his teachings were rejected by the ancient sith even in his own time due it goes against one of the sith core beliefs of viewing the sith should dominate the force instead of serving it. Momin was criticizing the sith order as a whole (Both old and current) sith not just Sidious or Vader or rule of two.
@@undead4500 still he right about one things that siths instead of focusing in force they become jedi obssesd
SWT... He's an idea for a video... Is momin actually dead... He was crushed but could his mask summon someone else to put it on and once again save himself?
Awesome question and something I instantly thought about as it was happening. I think you're exactly right and that is the future for Lord Momin going forward. The mask is seen again in Canon after this comic arc in the Lando comic. There is the potential it was destroyed, but I'm leaning toward the fact that it wasn't, and I very much think that Momin could once again do what he did here to save himself again. In fact, a part of me wonders exactly how important being "physically present" is for someone like Momin at this point. It is a fascinating topic/discuss to be had though for sure!
Star Wars Reading Club, exactly! If he could save himself physically again then train others... "After a thousand years... We... Have... Returned!"-DARTH MALGUS, lol so could he be the brains behind the first order? Starkiller base seemed more of a darkside creation then an imperial one, plus snokes connection to mustifar... Or could snoke have been the person to put the mask on to save momin? Lots of things to think about lol, I definitely suspect the Sith have something to do with EP 9
I wonder how an exchange between Lord Momin and Grand Admiral Thrawn could have fared. It would be interesting to see what impressions had led their opinions of each other.
“I’ve been looking foreword to this”
It’d be interesting if it turns out that Ben Solo was actually corrupted by Momin. We’ve been seeing interdimensional travel, time travel, and a lot of old republic things lately makes me think anything is possible for episode 9. The ultimate jump shark movie for Star Wars 😂
There were plans to make a star wars game where the siths like Vader were good and jedis like yoda and obi wan are bad. It woudve been interesting but it never happened
@FatalPies Is it really though? Obi won fought vader as an old ass man who was well out of practice and rusty. Yet he went toe to toe with him and lost because he basically forfeited. It's not hard to see that a obi won in his prime would win.
@FatalPies not really and it's never gonna change
@@JayKelShua he obviously doesn't know the duelist skills obi wan had🤦🏾♂️
@FatalPies ... I'm just going to say what everyone is thinking. You're an idiot...
I love how Vader got him monologuing. That sly dog! He learned well from Obie Kenobie. LOL
Lightsaber battles are the best thing in Star Wars ever.
You must make the top ten best Lightsaber battles in Star Wars movies and tv.
Plz dew it...
Well Lightsaber Duels are only as good as emotionally investing the story is
10. Obi-Wan and Qui-Gon Vs. Maul
9. Obi Wan and Anakin Vs. Dooku (TCW)
8. Obi-Wan and Ventress Vs. Maul and Savage
7. Luke Vs. Vader (1)
6. Obi-Wan Vs. Anakin
5. Anakin Vs. Baris Offee
4. Ashoka Vs. Vader
3. Sidious Vs. Maul and Savage
2. Luke Vs Vader (2)
1. you, the reader (laugh track)
Your voice has gotten so much better! But seriously your video's are always and have always been great!
I love the display of power by Vader, using the Force to shield himself from the lava. So awesome! i think this solidifies how truly powerful he is.
Vader was already spent after destroying all the Mustafarians, and ingeniously let Momin think he had the upper hand. He knew a straight forward duel would not work, and masked his feelings. He even sacrificed his own arm to make it seem like he was truly defeated, and even got Momin to answer truthfully about the portal before Vader crushed him in a surprise attack at the last second.
Yeah Vader was injured, his suit damaged and Momin was reborn and even then he couldn't do anything to stop Vader from crushing his skull, that's what Vader is. He may not be the fastest nor the most skilled duelist but his insane Force Powers and tactical thinking make up for it. The question is where would we rank Momin ? He definetly beats all inquisitors, Asajj Ventress, Savage Opress, General Grievous and Kylo Ren and all Jedi Padawans and lowly Knights. He definetly can't beat Snoke, Sidious or Vader. Could he beat Dooku ? Possibly, Dooku isn't close to Vader when it comes sheer Force Power and Momin might break through his defences. Dooku is realy skilled but when it comes to stamina and durability... he sucks, he is literaly out of breath after his fights and he has no armor only fragile old body and we saw that he falls to brute, quick furious attack (Quinlan Vos defeated him this way, so did Anakin). Beating Maul would be tougher we realy can't see how fast Momin is nor how skilled he is but the fact that he could match Vader and even land many glancing blows shows that he''s realy good duelist, keep in mind that Maul was scared of Vader (but we also need to remember that this isn't the same Vader, this one is much weaker than the one we see in Rebels, Rogue One and OT).
@@fly672 Momin would possibly lose to Starkiller for similar reasons. Starkiller beat the greatest jedi and sith duelists of past eras, and could've rivaled Sidious in the dark side if given the time. But that's mainly to his unrivaled ability to use the force mid combat.
So there's another duelist Momin would lose to.
@@TheDarkMaster312 Well Starkiller actually defeated Vader (and this was ANH Vader, while Vader's prime is ROTJ he would still be much stronger in ANH than he was right after ROTS) twice while Momin did disarm Vader (who was right after ROTS so massively pre prime) but ultimately lost.
However Starkiller defeated Vader mostly due to exploiting his massive weakness to Force Lightning (and he knew Vader's fighting style). Vader was still able to break Starkiller's Force Shield multiple times and even disarm him in the second game.
But I do think that Starkiller could beat Momin.
I think it’s funny how momin lectures Vader even though Vader and sidious are the ones who brought the Sith to the rightful place in the galaxy not momin
I love these videos. Thanks, @Star Wars Reading Club
So the comic books of Star wars is good but not the movies 😒
Yeah pretty much
That depends on your point of view
Books will always be better then the movies as our imaginations create the characters to what we feel they would look sound and or act like. Its ypur perfect movie. So when someone actually creates a movie its their imagination which controls it mostly
@NuzlockeGriff your right man I agree
@NuzlockeGriff the same could be said for 90 percent of the legends material. Most of the stories have no real connection to the movies and could just as easily be called fan fiction.
What movies should be made of, brilliant.
"If the Dark Side wanted you to live.... you would."
Momin and Revan and Bane would be great Masters to have and learn from.
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CZcams generated subtitles: Lord mamaaaaa
5:20
"The Dark side loves me! I cannot die"
Darth Vader: I don't care, go away.
It’s not “mom-in”. It’s “Mo-min”.
Agreed. There is only one M in the middle of the word. Thus the long vowel. Plus it sounds silly calling a Sith lord Mom in. Is your Mom in?
Im not even a star wars fan, but I'm finding more videos like these and am slowly coming to like them.
Darth Sidious is politically by far the most powerful and succesful character, but when it comes to force powers and combat skills,sidios has no chance against experienced duelists or old sith etc. ；）
Momins view about the force was interesting and i think he is also pretty strong ；）
Maybe momin discovered another way to reach immortality ？
Momin made the same mistake that Vader made while fighting Obi-wan on Mustafar. Plus, according to his creator, Sheev was the most powerful Sith to ever live.
He said that before Morin was even created.
Not gonna lie, the writing in this comic is pretty amazing.
This Vader run was excellent! Charles Soule and the artists did such a great job with this run.
I still maintain that anakin was the chosen one. He brought balance by gaining control over both light side and dark side powers and while was fooled into thinking the pendulum only swang in extremes, brought balance with his final action. Balance is not perfect balance between light and dark in the universe, but within a person. Hence the downfall of both light and dark side extremeists and the new breed of jedi like Rey (cough) who is not scared of either side. Anakin was the one and fulfilled the prophecy but it wasn't in the way that Plagueis, qui gon, the emperor or even the Ones thought it would be. He maintained true to his destiny even when he lost himself and fought within himself in the extreme sides of the force. He stood up to everyone and proved they were all wrong in their force religions. The will of the force becomes so much more intriguing. Anakin and true nature of the force is what makes it such a cool story.
VADER created himself through the force, became a Jedi like no other, destroyed the Jedi, became the most feared sith of all time, destroyed the sith, then became immortal in the living force without being trained by the wills.
He was the living force embodied.
I don't think Vader should have opened that portal to that realm l think that he's not really hearing Padme but a dark side being that can mimic anyone's looks and voice and I think he will see false visions of the past and future to keep him on the dark side Lord Momin was telling the truth but he doesn't know everything about the realm either.
This is the best Star Wars channel, and there are some pretty good ones.
I actually really preferred the Hand of Thrawn, where it seemed the Dark Side happened when force users tried to control the Force and the Light Side was where force users followed the Force.
What impact on Episode IX & will this Vader comic arc have?
Great question Ward! In my mind, a lot of the information we gathered in this arc SHOULD have an impact on the events of Episode 9, but realistically, I don't think it will come to pass. The films will do what they will I believe. But for us fans who get to discuss all of this, I know I already have my thoughts on different ways "Fortress Vader" could play out re: the Force and the potential conclusions that could be reached in Episode 9. Thank you for watching!
Considering the sequel trilogy directors and episodes 7 and 8, it is going to be trash lore-wise. Worst of them all.
There is no structure, no planning. The film directors have the last word and licensed writers and artists will not touch the Sequel storyline because they have no info on it nor do they want to create contradictions. Kathleen Kennedy pridefully stated this lack of singular vision and The Last Jedi proved it.
"You're just mad because your fan theories were wrong." - TLJ Shill
Our fan theories were based on foreshadowing from the Disney expanded canon. Disney's response to critical backlash against its subversion was a big fuck you to fans that invested time, money, and devotion. The people following the new story so closely looking for any bit of lore in the story drought, only to get slapped in the face and made fun of for doing so by the people they were supporting.
I enjoyed this issue very much I like that ancient sith vs rule of two Sith Lord momin I have a new found respect for he had more knowledge of the darkside than even Darth sidious and he found a way to come back from a mask to a whole new body but his flaws was underestimating Darth Vader taunting him with his past calling him weak plus thinking the darkside was a person thinking the darkside was his true master but I love it when Darth Vader made a comeback nay a weakened Vader with his systems on critical plus his arm cut off bro clearly the rule of two is more powerful than we originally thought Darth Vader defeating lord momin was a big step in Darth Vader’s journey towards becoming one of the greatest Sith Lords in legends content the ancient sith disowned Darth Vader even Darth Bane ghost calling him weak and unworthy because he didn’t kill his master but in all honesty Darth Vader has something he doesn’t care what others think including ancient sith because he doesn’t serve the darkside the darkside serves him in the past only a select few sith never served the darkside the darkside served them and it served them well that’s why in my opinion Darth Vader is the greatest Sith Lords who ever lived one of the greats and I have more love and respect for because Darth Vader does whatever he wants and he controls his destiny and life not the darkside not sidious ans defiantly not Lord momin
matthew bosco Odd. I thought Darth Bane said that to Darth Krayt (alongside Darths Andendu and Nihilus), not Darth Vader. Plus there was even a throne made in Darth Vader’s Tomb on Korriban.
tweso1 forgive me my friend it’s been awhile since I’ve read legends if it wasn’t Darth bane it had to be other Sith Lords I’m telling u the ancient sith besides lord momin rejected him said he was weak a coward because he didn’t kill his master rejected him I don’t know it’s been awhile
matthew bosco first time I’ve heard of the ancient Sith rejecting Vader (Legends wise). When was this?
tweso1 honestly I can’t remember it was I think during one of his quests for power/knowledge he wanted to learn more about the Sith I think he wanted to take out his master but was too weak or he felt his master was hoarding knowledge from him So he travels to korriban Sees the ghosts and they look at talk to him with disgust they rejected him and turned there backs on him again I got to do research on it check on the wikia Wookiepedia
I enjoyed reading your comment, but man, use some punctuation lmao
What an amazing story! Can't wait for the conclusion! Thanks!
This view of the Dark side reminds me of the Knights of Ren and how they see the Dark side as “the Shadow” which they serve.
Do you know what Anakin says in Ep 3?
"You underestimate my power!"
Do you know what he says in the ending of the Ep 3 game where he wins...?
"You underestimate the power of the dark side."
Looks like the Dark Side got turned off because Momin was like: "She my lady, and I'mma kiss her even when she be shittin'". He dun goofed tho, as the dark side was falling for the Chad Vader.
Those lightsaber handguards tho. Dem Form 2 users be appreciating that.
And once again the villain silent killer strikes again: not finishing your opponent, instead giving him a speech
Right, somehow it makes sense to them to answer their opponents questions in the middle of a deathmatch. Especially when they're moments away from winning.
As always, wonderful video Star Wars Reading Club!
I just noticed while watching this video, that Lord Momin's BLOOD IS BLACK.
Momin is like qui gon but for the dark side
Serving the dark side means committing attrocities for their own sake, inflicting fear, disgust and pain for no real reason. Momin never noticed he was not the dark side's lover, but its pet. A true Sith uses The Force to attain true freedom and perfection. Light or dark, arcane, technomancy, alchemy or mind trick, it is the Sith way to keep pushing the boundaries of excellence and evolution, for oneself and one's work. That is what Sidious and Momin both lack, the ambition and ability to trace an infinite path through eternity, and embrace the constant change it demands.
I love Momin's Lightsabers, they are so cool looking.
Well the helmet did seem to survive for now so it is possible he does live on.
And my fears have come true. Lord Momin is dead... again. Oh well. He is such a cool character I hope we get more of him
His mask lives on
I'll be back again!
cool
Excellent video! Thank you!
Thank you Star Wars Reading club for these video and I PRESHATED for these Contents 👍👍👏👏👏👏😍🤩
If Momin could resurrect himself, then Plagueis (Snoke?) likely can as well....
Fingers crossed
The only one who guessed it
Yu are da best
Thank you Robin, I greatly appreciate the kind words and support!
Really appreciate what you do. You're a (Star Wars) scholar and a gentleman, good sir!
Sidious is not weak, he just does not serve the dark side, he serves himself, the guy wants to rule an empire, not just slaughter randomly.
Momin said that Sidious was withholding knowledge from Vader. At no point does he refer to Sidious as weak. More clickbait titles, lmfao.
Emperor Sheev Palpatine nah, theres plenty of lore that says the same thing. They claim sidious is weak because hes too obsessed with Jedi.
"MOMIN, YOU DECEITFUL!"= the next great meme.
I can't unsee Momin's mask having a mini Clone Trooper visor.
You can’t control the force, it controls you.
‘Disarming him,’ good one.
This just sounds like bad fanfic, so I'm not surprised it's canon
I always wondered what happened to Dr. Zoidberg after Futurama ended...
That’s why I love Vader, he’s still in touch with the force...but he’s limited, More so physically...he can only really use 1 fighting style which can easily be take advantage off from more agile opponents...even when he amplifies his strength he doesn’t have the flexibility to put anything into it
Momin was a fool. The Sith were always meant to bend the Dark Side to their will. Jedi are servants of the force, but Sith are Masters of it.
Darth Zeltroth and yet Momin was the only canon sith to transcend death and become alive once more. The so called “masters” couldn’t even compare. That feat in of itself gives credence that the force to some extent agreed with Momin
Anime Theory The reason Momin was able to cheat death was because he was lucky enough to have a part of his power placed near a place that held nothing but pure dark side energy.
Darth Zeltroth I’ll put it this way. Momin hates the rule of two and Plagus adhered to it, Plagus spent his life trying to become immortal and failed. Momin didn’t even try and succeeded. The writing is on the wall here
Anime Theory Again he was resurrected because he was lucky, it doesn’t have to do anything with his power. If he was so powerful Vader wouldn’t have killed him.
Plagueis didn’t really care about the Rule of Two, but he just went with it. Also don’t try to convince me that Plagueis was somehow weaker than Momin because that’s a buncha bs
Darth Zeltroth never said he was weaker. I’m only comparing their achievements
And here is something you and other people forget to take into account: Momin hasn’t used his real body in well over a thousand years. If you’ve ever done something and stop for a couple of years we’ll when you get back to it you find yourself to be rusty
Momin couldn’t even move for a thousand years save for the brief time he inhabited unrelated people thanks to Vader. So really it’s only expected he would be less than full powered.
So don’t pretend this was full power Momin loosing to weakened Vader. This was heavily weakened Momin (who was actually winning the duel until He did his villain Monologue) who was killed off guard.
My point here is that for all you know he very well could be stronger. Remember his superweapon required his own force ability to power. To level a city and stop time itself. Who else besides Momin has ever flat out stopped time or powered a superweapon with their own force power? Not Vader, certainly not Plageus. Sidious I could imagine he could
Id love to see a tv show or mov just about the war between vader and lord momin. I think it would bd cool
They should have just done movies about Vader.
3:14 "Momin cut off Vader's arm, disarming him"
You cold bastard. I like you.
“Disarming him” 😂
Most awesome vid!!!!!!
what momin was trying to tell you say a Darth Vader but was in the heat of the moment is that you must serve the dockside so it serves you cuz you cannot bend it to your will it is completion so you must will. Completion to self-actualize and realize yourself through the traveling of completion of Darkness
For the light gets you to the completion of Darkness self-actualization an it turns into a rainbow of true self actualized.
Momin may have been brought back to life for a very short time but Goddamn it was an awesome time.
If not for meeeeeeee...for an epic battle between Ancient Sith and Rule of two Sith hehe
How many times must an important and powerful character finally meet their match and get their ass kicked, then somehow the enemy just gets oneshotted somehow...
3:15
Do you feel good about that arm pun...
The poor guy just needed a hand
I remember when I got to Momin when reading the comic. He’s awesome!
Nice video, thank you. I suspected he may be killed, however I was hoping otherwise. Maybe we haven't seen the last of Momin. Next issue he is actually alive, greatly injured/disfigured and locked away in the dungeons?..?..?