@@grimreapers you are very bias again china navy : a/ in reality J-35 can carry 4x PL-15 and 2x PL-10 , you alway giving J-35 only 2x PL-15 every single time . b/ because longer range china can armed 2 or even 4 type 052D/055 with all anti-ship missile hyper/super sonic to drown entire enemy fleet then return to base . c/ DCS lack time on target setting > china get heavy nerf here . last : china only have one single type 003 as strongest CV so they never gonna send just 2x 055 and 4x 052d equal as US or UK . they will send atleast 4x 055 and 8x 052d or even more . > you also refuse and never let that happen
@@HoangNgocThanh-qy8cqif we use your logic, then we nerf chinese pilot skill, assume only half gen 5 aircraft are operational and UK and US get all their carriers, not just one.
Abso-bloomin-lutely CLASSIC, EPIC, FROTHING Cap commentary, must be the best ever. The sports / war commentary equivalent of Donald O'Connor doing Make 'Em Laugh in one take in Singing In The Rain. Most enjoyable, and v good to hear Cap running back on 200% power
Cap, your German and French exclamations are priceless. As well as sports-commenter-style acceleration+volume increase in tense moments. I watch everything at 1.75 to save time, and it is particularly hilarious when you do that :)
That spear 3+5 combo really does work amazingly well. Small, cheap missile depleting defences, only for the supersonic big boi to finish the job. Could you test out that strat against the Americans?
@@grimreapers you are very bias again china navy : a/ in reality J-35 can carry 4x PL-15 and 2x PL-10 , you alway giving J-35 only 2x PL-15 every single time . b/ because longer range china can armed 2 or even 4 type 052D/055 with all anti-ship missile hyper/super sonic to drown entire enemy fleet then return to base . c/ DCS lack time on target setting > china get heavy nerf here . last : china only have one single type 003 as strongest CV so they never gonna send just 2x 055 and 4x 052d equal as US or UK . they will send atleast 4x 055 and 8x 052d or even more . > you also refuse and never let that happen
@@HoangNgocThanh-qy8cq Cap always gives both sides 1 carrier and 6 escort ships for a fair fight, and even if China does get their 4x 055 and 8x 052d escorts, US should get 2 carriers and 12 Arleigh Burke Flight III to equal the numbers out. And of course, China can load their ships with only anti-ship missiles, but the same strategy can be used by the US. US ships can also fire nothing but only long-range Tomahawk Block V missiles and overwhelm the Chinese defense. And don't forget, the Tomahawks even outrange the YJ21. All ships on both sides are going to be lost.
Well, there’s a concept that is gaining a degree of traction called an arsenal ship. It’s basically a massive VLS with a hull around it, few dozen crew at most and not much else. Targeting information would be supplied by other vessels. The idea being that it would carry hundreds of missiles to defeat missile attacks and overwhelm enemy missile defences. The downside of the ship is that it is basically incapable of doing anything else.
@@alexcrawford6162 Alex Hollings made a video on this concept, would recommend watching it. The concept falls short when you consider the risk of having hundreds of millions of dollars worth of VLS stored missiles on a ship that lacks the support elements onboard to support itself.
@@alexcrawford6162arsenal ships periodically pop up in these conversations and have done since the 80s. They have never been built for good reason. They are a good idea only on paper.
The US has those. Four Ohio-class subs with the nuclear missile tubes replaced with 157 VLS tubes, usually filled with Tomahawks. These are to be replaced with ten Block V Virginia-class subs with 40 each as they retire the Ohios. And recall that the newest Tomahawk has anti-ship capabilities.
TBF that all really depends on where the battle happens. Realistically i dont think these navies are likely to clash like this considering the UK fleet is Atlantic and the Chinese fleet is Pacific.
Great video once again! (SPOLIERS BELOW) IRL, however, I'm certain it would be an even bigger victory for the UK for the following reasons: 1. In relative terms, China's development of military technology is a recent endeavour. I'm skeptical that their military tech can rival that of Western nations, which have spent decades, if not centuries, perfecting their systems. 2. Over the past 80 years, China has had limited engagement in armed conflicts, whereas the UK possesses centuries of extensive wartime experience, having been almost continually involved in various military operations against a wide number of opponents. 3. There is no way the RN would be firing a 4-1 ratio against incoming missiles. Current procedure is 2-1. 4. The F-35s would never target missiles, only other aircraft. 5. Since all of China's missiles have been depleted, the RN would close the distance and use NSM which would have sunk at least another one or two of the Chinese vessels. 6. The Royal Navy also has Wildcat + Martlet. These missiles have a small AAM/SAM capability which I'm sure would have helped against the incoming Chinese missiles. I'd love to see a British, French, and Italian carrier group go up against a Russian and Chinese one FYI.
As long as the British are happy, China has fifty destroyers. 39 Aegis ships. The ratio between Chinese and British destroyers is 50:6. And the 055 can be equipped with 472 missiles.
I think that the failure of those last few anti-ship missiles from China could be attributed to missile guidance failure, so was probably fairly realistic?
@Cap I would not call it a draw, the CV survived, so re-arm and re-attack. The NSM also didnt get fired due to range, and with the Chinese out of sams essentially it becomes a turkey shoot since the enemy carrier went down they cant re-arm and attack again. So it would be a clear win for UK.
if this were modelled more strategically the chinese would never close to get fired at by spear 5s and just launch their AShM volley and sail the other way. The british would never catch up to return fire.
@@hughmungus2760but also the UK wouldn’t be firing 4-5 SAMs at each anti ship missile. The amount they were firing was ridiculous. I could maybe see them doing it against the hypersonics since they are such a huge threat, but all the other missiles are what Aster and sea ceptor were designed to fight and are extremely good against. They wouldn’t be spamming the same way. Also the F-35s would be targeting the chinese jets rather than the AshMs
@@joshuasenior4370 a/ in reality J-35 can carry 4x PL-15 and 2x PL-10 , this channel alway bias giving J-35 only 2x PL-15 every single time . b/ china can armed 2 or even 4 type 052D/055 with all anti-ship missile hyper/super sonic . c/ DCS lack time on target setting > china get heavy nerf here . last : china only have one single type 003 as strongest CV so they never gonna send just 2x 055 and 4x 052d equal as US or UK . they will send atleast 4x 055 and 8x 052d or even more . > this channel host also refuse to let that happen
Apart from the tongue ties... I think we found the next Dan Kelly [one the all time great game announcers]. Please take that as a complement. It is a shame that you had to compensate for computer logic. But it was a VERY good sim. Enjoyed much! Thank you!
Fun commentary. The f35s could land, refuel and rearm then carry out a second anti-shipping attack unless the chinese fleet could move to SAM cover.... not sure it's a draw?
One limitation of your scenarios is the “single sortie” factor. In reality planes would be cycling for refueling and rearming constantly. Shooting down incoming missiles would be a priority for both sides’ aircraft, you don’t just assume air defense will keep your runway afloat and keeping the carrier afloat is the single most critical thing.
100% a UK Victory considering with the Chinese carrier gone, all those aircraft are now ditching in the sea. Whereas the British still have two full squadrons that can now take out the rest of the Chinese ships at their Leisure with their choice of weapons pretty much. Considering that the Chinese have no Sam's left😂
no, not a draw as Britian were firing extreme numbers of Sea Ceptors at very few YJ-12s towards the end. I think Britiain would certainly have had enough Sea Ceptors to defeat the YJ-12
Couple of things: Outstanding battle, these new carrier battle series are fab. Would love a one including Japan and it's "new" carriers. Also would consider that a 3-3 Type 45 -- Type 26 would be a little more suited to this fight. It seemed Britain could've used a little more Sea Ceptors and less Aster 30s Also remember, the British Type 45s still have their NSMs, which would probably do even more damage. I'd also say some of those British anti-shippers could've been made into CAP. 1 squadron of CAP feels too few, simply because they don't have as many SAMs as the Chinese do
I was rewatching Kortana Vietnam SAM hell when you attempted A4 strikes. I think a war game designed around Vietnam all A4's F4's etc vs Vietnam AI and crazy SAM and AA batteries. Watching those videos is a great reminder of just how difficult Vietnam era combat was, but it is also open to some absolutely crazy wargames and fun akin to DDAY ones you done ages ago. I don't really have an idea I just love watching the old school analog fights and thought if you ever run out of ideas this would be uber-chaotic 😁 Much love Cap and GR
When setting the damage for missiles, it seems a bit flat based on size/explosive power, however you can do far more damage with the modern smaller missiles because they target specific locations on ships to maximize effect, we used to do this with laser pointers on the ground to bust bunkers/mmls/sams, so a smaller munition hitting a weak point was more likely to destroy the target than a huge explosive hitting randomly. Is there a way to convince DCS that just because a munition is small it doesn't mean reduce the damage as if it's a random hit. Oh and if you haven't seen it because "Russia Bad", the latest report on the J-35, is they can detect them at over twice the range China previously claimed.
The Queen Elizabeth class aircraft carrier has no AWACS and electronic warfare aircraft. In fact, this situation is impossible. And the interception rate of subsonic missiles is the same as that of hypersonic missiles? There is another mistake in your simulation. You used a lot of "future weapons", but the Chinese side is static. Moreover, the F35B has insufficient range, far less than the J35. If it is in actual combat, the Queen Elizabeth aircraft carrier has no chance
@@user-uc7kg4wp7c On the QE, networking F-35 would act as AWACS and EW aircraft. Not necessarily as good as dedicated platforms, but they do enjoy unparalleled technology. Fuel and combat range were simulated. Even the F-35B has plenty of range for the scenario in this simulation. Yes, the choice of futuristic weapons was wonky, but not too much. And the Chinese already have ballistic and supersonic weapons, so any near-future development won't have a big impact. The only real unfairness is that the Chinese could field a much larger fleet to escort the carrier.
@@jorehir There is something wrong with what you said. The F35B can indeed play a mini A WACS online, but its detection range may not be comparable to that of a professional early warning aircraft. If this thing is so easy to use, the US Navy will not continue to purchase the E2D. In addition, after the F35B turns on the radar, it means that it is also a radiation source, which will sacrifice stealth. However, the Chinese J35 does not need to turn on the radar, and can launch PL15 in the dark to attack the F35B, and even the J15T can launch PL17...
@@LEH-fl8ws In fact, the Royal Navy is not equipped with BMD interceptor missiles, and is actually helpless against the YJ21, which has a range of more than 1,000 miles.
you've also forgotton about 1 thing. We only have 3 T45s available at one time.... You could sub in a couple extra T23s as they have some AA capability too. But this goes to show how ill equipped we are VS china. However, I totally realise that we would also be boosted by the USA and japan and S Korea too, so our own lack of AA isnt as bad but even so. why we can't have more dakka is beyond me. More money spent short term = more money saved long term, still a lesson the MOD refuses to learn
@@grimreapers Well EW is the corner of the RN's defence supposedly. Everything kinetic is last ditch and just in case. And that scares the willies out of me.
@grimreapers Cap the British absolutely won this battle. Because with the Chinese carrier gone, those aircraft are all gone also. Whereas the British still have two squadrons of aircraft that could land rearm and take out the remaining Chinese ships at their leisure
No I would not count this as a draw, as you say it's not scripted, and it's not your fault Chinese crap does what it does* lol The UK just barely wins!👍 Btw I believe the anti climactic batch was going for a dead ship ;)
This really makes you wonder if stealth and naval aviation are a good match. You gave up speed, range and weapon capacity and you still lost a ton of them.
Please!🙏 Long awaited 3rd rematch(from back in the day when ships would actually get close;) U.S. Carrier Fleet VS Russian Carrier Fleet! Kuznetsov Class Carrier, Air-Air MIG-29KR's with R-77M's, Anti-Ship SU-33M's with Kinzhal's, 5 Gorshkov's, 1 Kirov, and 1 Slava! VS Ford Class Carrier, Air-Air F/A-18F's with AIM-260's, F-35C's with Mako's, 2 Arleigh Burke's, 2 Constellation's, and 2 Ticonderoga's!👍
You guys should do a Turbot Wars scenario! Little known fact, but Canada came surprisingly close to a shooting war with Spain over a fishing dispute in the Atlantic in 1996. Matters escalated to the point where a Canadian coast guard vessel fired warning shots at, and captured a Spanish fishing trawler, and both sides mobilized surface groups before the incident was diplomatically resolved. What I'd like to see is what if it hadn't? What if the RCN and the SN came to blows in the Atlantic?
Second thought is that if you had an admiral, once the Sams are depleted, have that carrier get behind all of the escorts so that any incoming missiles face a wall CWIS.
Draw, the UK would have lost two ships but China lost more fighters. Cost is the only way to get a win but that’s not valid because of the last missiles.
@@grimreapers fair enough, if it was able to work in DCS it would be cool to see the modern day ships hiding out in the fjords like back in WW2 to see how effective it it
Carefully read all the comments. 100% agree it was a draw ... *'cept British still won. If that sounds contradictory to you, no worries -- my brain just works better! 😂
2:43 Cap been wondering if all the updates especially the ai one, if you group the ships in one naval group will they deconflict and work as one unit so they don’t waste defensive assets when taking on incoming air assets, stressing haven’t watched this vid yet at time of posting on set up end of uk
They tend to fire less BUT it's VERY risky as they tend not to fire enough missiles then, and hypersonics get through easily. difficult balance to strike.
Absolutely beautiful!!! :D It was a draw in theory. Both China and UK would lost its carrier... However... In real life, there is so many different things can happen. Ships can fire countermeasures, which obviously helps a lot. Ships can target more of the missiles and probably use less missiles for them, iam not sure vs the hypersonics, CSGs have at least 1 attack submarine, which can sink the carrier easily. Thats why ASW comes handy. So many things could happen + UK will have a laser weapons installed on their ships by 2027. Called "DragonFire". Iam not sure you can model that ingame. xD But that would be awesome. It can fire "unlimited" times and can take down missiles too, it has similar range to the CWIS maybe a bit more(classified btw but iam assuming, because MoD states it is for close range).
Has anyone said that you're commentary reminds me of the whale falling to the ground in Hitchhikers Guide to the Galaxy? Because I can't unhear it now.
To be fair. DCS have a hard time handeling modern electronics like EW and multi guided missiles. I would say anything after year 2005 or there abouts DCS is at best a very rought estimation of real system. Of cause, this is not the devs fault a lot of those systems is higly clasified and hence really hard to make a model for.
Well, Argentina did cough up a few of super etendards... A veritable zoo of planes it will make for UA, a logistics and training nightmare "Here, take our old stuff we don't need anymore"
There are no retired tornados. The fleet was torn apart for spares until there were none to keep the fleet going. Tornado is dead. Scrapped. There’s no reviving it or making them air worthy for Ukraine. The last flight hours were used on ISIS
You'd see antique shops in Dorset being turned upside down for spare parts. I was in one last week, they had parts of tornados bent into fancy office furniture
I kind of expect to see a drone aircraft carrier. A humanless flattop that just looks like one of those cliff faces full of birds nests but in this case it's quad-copter drones with missiles/guns/lasers to screen against missiles/surface drones.
I really wonder what dogfights will look like when planes that are capable of firing missiles backwards and sideways will be actually able to do that. Also, with the advent of missiles having multiple RCS style thrusters for added agility, could those be perhaps used differently, almost like those in the Expanse space battles? Of course there's atmosphere to content with, but a still. Theoretically, a missile could be dropped by a pursued fighter, turned around by rcs, then fire main thrusters to fly head-on at the pursuing aircraft without needing to bend.
Do the CIWS turrets on the Type 26 and QE not work? You seemed pretty certain that the CV would have been sunk if the missiles had targeted her (one more reason why QE needs her own short range missile system).
Probably the best one yet apart from the wierdness at the end - having said that, it does counter the wierdness of the AI aircraft tactics, so fairs fair. UK win
Its battles like this that make me think of the futility of a full blown war. We run out of missiles so quickly and of course we have a finite supply of these missiles. As far as im aware it takes a lot of time and effort to make missiles, planes and ships. So once we lose these things its either we get thrown back to cold war days or we're just left out in the open defenceless.. surely this is the only reason stopping any country from actually pushing the red button, the amount of economic loss that can be taken from simply losing a single ship is Ludacris..
The Chinese turned a half built rusting Russian hulk into a reasonable facsimile of a functional light carrier. They went from 0 carriers to 3 in about 10 years. Do not underestimate them.
honestly I'd like to see some more Philippines/China scenarios, given what's been going on there recently.
Did this but would like to re-visit at some point: czcams.com/video/k6_-slkKpl4/video.html
@@grimreapers yep, I've seen that one but I need more❤️
@@renaissancenovice7202 Like BabyCap! More!
@@renaissancenovice7202 - as Cap's son would say, "More, more, more!"
I don't think DCS has axes and water cannon. I suppose CH could do a "modern medieval" mod.
"Apologies, having problems with my voice ".
*gets excited and narrates like a madman*
As always, love your enthusiasm, Cap!
And GO DAVIS!
Davis died…but Baby Davis pilot is coming soon 😂
Squadron Leader Davis's arc was insane!
It was a nice arc.
In this episode, we watch as Cap literally loses his mind and reverts to word salad
lol
@@grimreapers you are very bias again china navy : a/ in reality J-35 can carry 4x PL-15 and 2x PL-10 , you alway giving J-35 only 2x PL-15 every single time . b/ because longer range china can armed 2 or even 4 type 052D/055 with all anti-ship missile hyper/super sonic to drown entire enemy fleet then return to base . c/ DCS lack time on target setting > china get heavy nerf here . last : china only have one single type 003 as strongest CV so they never gonna send just 2x 055 and 4x 052d equal as US or UK . they will send atleast 4x 055 and 8x 052d or even more . > you also refuse and never let that happen
@@HoangNgocThanh-qy8cqif we use your logic, then we nerf chinese pilot skill, assume only half gen 5 aircraft are operational and UK and US get all their carriers, not just one.
@@HoangNgocThanh-qy8cqno one cares about China. 😙
@@HoangNgocThanh-qy8cq Everyone hates china navy pal. No one likes arrogant bullies with 9 dash lines 😂
Abso-bloomin-lutely CLASSIC, EPIC, FROTHING Cap commentary, must be the best ever. The sports / war commentary equivalent of Donald O'Connor doing Make 'Em Laugh in one take in Singing In The Rain. Most enjoyable, and v good to hear Cap running back on 200% power
Cap, your German and French exclamations are priceless. As well as sports-commenter-style acceleration+volume increase in tense moments. I watch everything at 1.75 to save time, and it is particularly hilarious when you do that :)
Keep up the good work Cap.
I have never been this early on a grim reapers video. He'll never been this early on any channel I am subscribed to.
41:43 cap going full stereotype made me spit out my coffee grievously wounding a small child 😂
That spear 3+5 combo really does work amazingly well. Small, cheap missile depleting defences, only for the supersonic big boi to finish the job. Could you test out that strat against the Americans?
Yup that's next battle!
@@grimreapers WAHOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!
My god I LOVED this video so much.
@@grimreapers you are very bias again china navy : a/ in reality J-35 can carry 4x PL-15 and 2x PL-10 , you alway giving J-35 only 2x PL-15 every single time . b/ because longer range china can armed 2 or even 4 type 052D/055 with all anti-ship missile hyper/super sonic to drown entire enemy fleet then return to base . c/ DCS lack time on target setting > china get heavy nerf here . last : china only have one single type 003 as strongest CV so they never gonna send just 2x 055 and 4x 052d equal as US or UK . they will send atleast 4x 055 and 8x 052d or even more . > you also refuse and never let that happen
@@HoangNgocThanh-qy8cqno one cares about Chai nuh. 😙
@@HoangNgocThanh-qy8cq Cap always gives both sides 1 carrier and 6 escort ships for a fair fight, and even if China does get their 4x 055 and 8x 052d escorts, US should get 2 carriers and 12 Arleigh Burke Flight III to equal the numbers out. And of course, China can load their ships with only anti-ship missiles, but the same strategy can be used by the US. US ships can also fire nothing but only long-range Tomahawk Block V missiles and overwhelm the Chinese defense. And don't forget, the Tomahawks even outrange the YJ21. All ships on both sides are going to be lost.
I guess the next step in modern Naval Warfare is to build a freighter style ship that is basically a missile truck for the water
it isn't
Well, there’s a concept that is gaining a degree of traction called an arsenal ship. It’s basically a massive VLS with a hull around it, few dozen crew at most and not much else. Targeting information would be supplied by other vessels. The idea being that it would carry hundreds of missiles to defeat missile attacks and overwhelm enemy missile defences. The downside of the ship is that it is basically incapable of doing anything else.
@@alexcrawford6162 Alex Hollings made a video on this concept, would recommend watching it. The concept falls short when you consider the risk of having hundreds of millions of dollars worth of VLS stored missiles on a ship that lacks the support elements onboard to support itself.
@@alexcrawford6162arsenal ships periodically pop up in these conversations and have done since the 80s.
They have never been built for good reason. They are a good idea only on paper.
The US has those. Four Ohio-class subs with the nuclear missile tubes replaced with 157 VLS tubes, usually filled with Tomahawks. These are to be replaced with ten Block V Virginia-class subs with 40 each as they retire the Ohios. And recall that the newest Tomahawk has anti-ship capabilities.
Technically the UK destroyed ALL of the Chinese aircraft as they now can't land... This should also be added to the cost when a carrier is destroyed..
Thanks for spoiling
TBF that all really depends on where the battle happens. Realistically i dont think these navies are likely to clash like this considering the UK fleet is Atlantic and the Chinese fleet is Pacific.
Spoiler alert next time you give the ending away 😂
I would like to announce the spoiler alert.
Technical speaking, the UK couldn't have sunk any Chinese ships without America made A35B (sealth made in the USA)
Those Brit laser cannons can't come quickly enough eh?
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@@grimreapersnarp?
Loved when Cap completely lost his mind when the carrier went down 😂
YAY, more carrier battoles!
GO team UK
Welcome to DCS, the newest naval warfare simulator
lol
As a flat earther, I only watch DCS naval simulations. They're clearly the most accurate! 😂
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I absolutely LOVE the Naval Sims 😊😊😊
Lets take a moment of silence for all the fish that lost their lives during this great battle
Sorry about that.
I think those fish that died had MANPADS 😂
Great video once again!
(SPOLIERS BELOW)
IRL, however, I'm certain it would be an even bigger victory for the UK for the following reasons:
1. In relative terms, China's development of military technology is a recent endeavour. I'm skeptical that their military tech can rival that of Western nations, which have spent decades, if not centuries, perfecting their systems.
2. Over the past 80 years, China has had limited engagement in armed conflicts, whereas the UK possesses centuries of extensive wartime experience, having been almost continually involved in various military operations against a wide number of opponents.
3. There is no way the RN would be firing a 4-1 ratio against incoming missiles. Current procedure is 2-1.
4. The F-35s would never target missiles, only other aircraft.
5. Since all of China's missiles have been depleted, the RN would close the distance and use NSM which would have sunk at least another one or two of the Chinese vessels.
6. The Royal Navy also has Wildcat + Martlet. These missiles have a small AAM/SAM capability which I'm sure would have helped against the incoming Chinese missiles.
I'd love to see a British, French, and Italian carrier group go up against a Russian and Chinese one FYI.
As long as the British are happy, China has fifty destroyers. 39 Aegis ships. The ratio between Chinese and British destroyers is 50:6. And the 055 can be equipped with 472 missiles.
OUTSTANDING BATTLE...👉🏻
My cockles have been warmed .Thanks!
"How does China build so much gear?" Never been to Walmart?
Virtually every high end device you own is made there
Superb Cap. You're just the right blend of nutter and geek! And effing hilarious 😂
Pouring a 40 out for Leaders Bigglesworth and Davis. Love the blow by blow calls and improvised sound effects on this one Cap.
we need a "WORDS ARE HARD" tshirt Cap
And WOW guy t-shirt
lol
Wrods R Hadr
I want "Because...reasons."
and a "Jezuzz Craaaast!"
I think that the failure of those last few anti-ship missiles from China could be attributed to missile guidance failure, so was probably fairly realistic?
@Cap I would not call it a draw, the CV survived, so re-arm and re-attack. The NSM also didnt get fired due to range, and with the Chinese out of sams essentially it becomes a turkey shoot since the enemy carrier went down they cant re-arm and attack again. So it would be a clear win for UK.
if this were modelled more strategically the chinese would never close to get fired at by spear 5s and just launch their AShM volley and sail the other way. The british would never catch up to return fire.
@@hughmungus2760but also the UK wouldn’t be firing 4-5 SAMs at each anti ship missile. The amount they were firing was ridiculous. I could maybe see them doing it against the hypersonics since they are such a huge threat, but all the other missiles are what Aster and sea ceptor were designed to fight and are extremely good against. They wouldn’t be spamming the same way. Also the F-35s would be targeting the chinese jets rather than the AshMs
@@joshuasenior4370 "but also the UK wouldn’t be firing 4-5 SAMs at each anti ship missile. " Same with the Chinese!
@@joshuasenior4370 a/ in reality J-35 can carry 4x PL-15 and 2x PL-10 , this channel alway bias giving J-35 only 2x PL-15 every single time . b/ china can armed 2 or even 4 type 052D/055 with all anti-ship missile hyper/super sonic . c/ DCS lack time on target setting > china get heavy nerf here . last : china only have one single type 003 as strongest CV so they never gonna send just 2x 055 and 4x 052d equal as US or UK . they will send atleast 4x 055 and 8x 052d or even more . > this channel host also refuse to let that happen
Apart from the tongue ties... I think we found the next Dan Kelly [one the all time great game announcers]. Please take that as a complement. It is a shame that you had to compensate for computer logic. But it was a VERY good sim. Enjoyed much! Thank you!
The energy in the video is incredible
Fun commentary.
The f35s could land, refuel and rearm then carry out a second anti-shipping attack unless the chinese fleet could move to SAM cover.... not sure it's a draw?
Fair comment.
Thank you crew!
One limitation of your scenarios is the “single sortie” factor. In reality planes would be cycling for refueling and rearming constantly. Shooting down incoming missiles would be a priority for both sides’ aircraft, you don’t just assume air defense will keep your runway afloat and keeping the carrier afloat is the single most critical thing.
Yup completely agreed. I can;t simulate the re-arming from carrier yet.
English version of wolf warrior, keep up the good work
100% a UK Victory considering with the Chinese carrier gone, all those aircraft are now ditching in the sea. Whereas the British still have two full squadrons that can now take out the rest of the Chinese ships at their Leisure with their choice of weapons pretty much. Considering that the Chinese have no Sam's left😂
The carrier is the prize, those are the Kings on the chessboard. So a huge win for the Limeys.
no, not a draw as Britian were firing extreme numbers of Sea Ceptors at very few YJ-12s towards the end. I think Britiain would certainly have had enough Sea Ceptors to defeat the YJ-12
That would also go for the HHQ-9s. Chinese would not fire that much for 1 target.
You are so enthusiastic - brilliant.
great, that's definitely what will happen.
Great video as always Cap, love the naval series. Just for future battles, the Chinese J-35 does NOT have a cannon or a pod for it ( yet ) .
Couple of things:
Outstanding battle, these new carrier battle series are fab. Would love a one including Japan and it's "new" carriers.
Also would consider that a 3-3 Type 45 -- Type 26 would be a little more suited to this fight. It seemed Britain could've used a little more Sea Ceptors and less Aster 30s
Also remember, the British Type 45s still have their NSMs, which would probably do even more damage. I'd also say some of those British anti-shippers could've been made into CAP. 1 squadron of CAP feels too few, simply because they don't have as many SAMs as the Chinese do
I was rewatching Kortana Vietnam SAM hell when you attempted A4 strikes. I think a war game designed around Vietnam all A4's F4's etc vs Vietnam AI and crazy SAM and AA batteries. Watching those videos is a great reminder of just how difficult Vietnam era combat was, but it is also open to some absolutely crazy wargames and fun akin to DDAY ones you done ages ago. I don't really have an idea I just love watching the old school analog fights and thought if you ever run out of ideas this would be uber-chaotic 😁 Much love Cap and GR
Wilco.
Smacky, smacky, boom-boom…
That was an excellent battle! Very evenly matched in the end
It seems that with modern sea warfare, the winning side is left with a fleet that cannot do a a lot.
Typical for all aspects of peer to peer wars
I could watch these all day long,wich I actually probably do😊😮
Pwoooor that was close. Quality battle ❤
CAP - Absolutely BRILLIANT commentary!! One of your BEST, well done sir!!
Could you do a Naval battle between Germany, Sweden, Finnland vs Russia?
Very interesting though CAP, keep it up. Lovely stuff. I hope your throat gets better.
When setting the damage for missiles, it seems a bit flat based on size/explosive power, however you can do far more damage with the modern smaller missiles because they target specific locations on ships to maximize effect, we used to do this with laser pointers on the ground to bust bunkers/mmls/sams, so a smaller munition hitting a weak point was more likely to destroy the target than a huge explosive hitting randomly. Is there a way to convince DCS that just because a munition is small it doesn't mean reduce the damage as if it's a random hit.
Oh and if you haven't seen it because "Russia Bad", the latest report on the J-35, is they can detect them at over twice the range China previously claimed.
Amazing battle! I wasn't expecting the Brits to hold their own against the Chinese
The Queen Elizabeth class aircraft carrier has no AWACS and electronic warfare aircraft. In fact, this situation is impossible. And the interception rate of subsonic missiles is the same as that of hypersonic missiles? There is another mistake in your simulation. You used a lot of "future weapons", but the Chinese side is static. Moreover, the F35B has insufficient range, far less than the J35. If it is in actual combat, the Queen Elizabeth aircraft carrier has no chance
@@user-uc7kg4wp7c On the QE, networking F-35 would act as AWACS and EW aircraft. Not necessarily as good as dedicated platforms, but they do enjoy unparalleled technology.
Fuel and combat range were simulated.
Even the F-35B has plenty of range for the scenario in this simulation.
Yes, the choice of futuristic weapons was wonky, but not too much. And the Chinese already have ballistic and supersonic weapons, so any near-future development won't have a big impact.
The only real unfairness is that the Chinese could field a much larger fleet to escort the carrier.
@@user-uc7kg4wp7c Also the likely high failure rate of the Chinese hypersonic missiles is not simulated. Problems on both sides.
@@jorehir There is something wrong with what you said. The F35B can indeed play a mini A WACS online, but its detection range may not be comparable to that of a professional early warning aircraft. If this thing is so easy to use, the US Navy will not continue to purchase the E2D. In addition, after the F35B turns on the radar, it means that it is also a radiation source, which will sacrifice stealth. However, the Chinese J35 does not need to turn on the radar, and can launch PL15 in the dark to attack the F35B, and even the J15T can launch PL17...
@@LEH-fl8ws In fact, the Royal Navy is not equipped with BMD interceptor missiles, and is actually helpless against the YJ21, which has a range of more than 1,000 miles.
you've also forgotton about 1 thing. We only have 3 T45s available at one time.... You could sub in a couple extra T23s as they have some AA capability too. But this goes to show how ill equipped we are VS china. However, I totally realise that we would also be boosted by the USA and japan and S Korea too, so our own lack of AA isnt as bad but even so. why we can't have more dakka is beyond me. More money spent short term = more money saved long term, still a lesson the MOD refuses to learn
Just as an experiment, I'd love to see '27 US vs '27 UK. Just to see how the tech/ships stack up against each other.
You can see why EW is so important IRL.
46:53 I guess electronic warfare is in the simulator 😂
@@Dimitris_Datseris 😄
I'd love to know more about EW and how it would affect a battle like this.
@@grimreapers Well EW is the corner of the RN's defence supposedly. Everything kinetic is last ditch and just in case. And that scares the willies out of me.
@grimreapers Cap the British absolutely won this battle. Because with the Chinese carrier gone, those aircraft are all gone also. Whereas the British still have two squadrons of aircraft that could land rearm and take out the remaining Chinese ships at their leisure
I love the way our man gets progressively more unhinged as the battle progresses 😂
No I would not count this as a draw, as you say it's not scripted, and it's not your fault Chinese crap does what it does* lol The UK just barely wins!👍
Btw I believe the anti climactic batch was going for a dead ship ;)
excellent efforts THANKYOU
Great battle - Good setup Cap!
How do you set all of this up I'm trying to do it with my friend and I'm new and he's getting back into the game
TBH it took me years to learn this stuff.
This really makes you wonder if stealth and naval aviation are a good match. You gave up speed, range and weapon capacity and you still lost a ton of them.
Well remember that in real life, the stealths wouldn;t run in to die in dogfights, they would fire missiles then retreat.
Please!🙏 Long awaited 3rd rematch(from back in the day when ships would actually get close;) U.S. Carrier Fleet VS Russian Carrier Fleet!
Kuznetsov Class Carrier, Air-Air MIG-29KR's with R-77M's, Anti-Ship SU-33M's with Kinzhal's, 5 Gorshkov's, 1 Kirov, and 1 Slava! VS Ford Class Carrier, Air-Air F/A-18F's with AIM-260's, F-35C's with Mako's, 2 Arleigh Burke's, 2 Constellation's, and 2 Ticonderoga's!👍
Come on lol even gave Russia an extra ship and U.S. using F-18's Air-Air to even things up😅🙏
You guys should do a Turbot Wars scenario! Little known fact, but Canada came surprisingly close to a shooting war with Spain over a fishing dispute in the Atlantic in 1996. Matters escalated to the point where a Canadian coast guard vessel fired warning shots at, and captured a Spanish fishing trawler, and both sides mobilized surface groups before the incident was diplomatically resolved.
What I'd like to see is what if it hadn't? What if the RCN and the SN came to blows in the Atlantic?
Second thought is that if you had an admiral, once the Sams are depleted, have that carrier get behind all of the escorts so that any incoming missiles face a wall CWIS.
Draw, the UK would have lost two ships but China lost more fighters. Cost is the only way to get a win but that’s not valid because of the last missiles.
Brilliant showings!!
UK: Ahhhhh I'm out!
China: I guess I'll just print out more missiles I guess >:)
Kola is the best map for naval battles, would be cool to see some more utilizing the unique terrain
Agreee BUT terrain tends to mess the DCS naval missiles up hence, try to keep it simple.
@@grimreapers fair enough, if it was able to work in DCS it would be cool to see the modern day ships hiding out in the fjords like back in WW2 to see how effective it it
thanks for that
Carefully read all the comments. 100% agree it was a draw ...
*'cept British still won. If that sounds contradictory to you, no worries -- my brain just works better! 😂
Majority of ppl so far have said Draw.
It's a bit sad when you're alone on videos :C
2:43 Cap been wondering if all the updates especially the ai one, if you group the ships in one naval group will they deconflict and work as one unit so they don’t waste defensive assets when taking on incoming air assets, stressing haven’t watched this vid yet at time of posting on set up end of uk
They tend to fire less BUT it's VERY risky as they tend not to fire enough missiles then, and hypersonics get through easily. difficult balance to strike.
@@grimreapers ah I see the small dilemma that the deconfliction won’t integrate as irl
i would have called this a draw if it wasn't computer buggy.
Absolutely beautiful!!! :D It was a draw in theory. Both China and UK would lost its carrier... However... In real life, there is so many different things can happen. Ships can fire countermeasures, which obviously helps a lot. Ships can target more of the missiles and probably use less missiles for them, iam not sure vs the hypersonics, CSGs have at least 1 attack submarine, which can sink the carrier easily. Thats why ASW comes handy. So many things could happen + UK will have a laser weapons installed on their ships by 2027. Called "DragonFire". Iam not sure you can model that ingame. xD But that would be awesome. It can fire "unlimited" times and can take down missiles too, it has similar range to the CWIS maybe a bit more(classified btw but iam assuming, because MoD states it is for close range).
uk would never fight china without US help. There our special friend!!!
They are? 🤡
No duh, this is a game, China invading the UK by sea is also pratically impossible lol
@@Hhhh22222-w its a game. i had no idea. OMG. its almost like i was just making a quip. lol🙃
@@willscarlet7625 well....
When it's beneficial
id love to see the Americans try to defend against the Spear 3 spam. Would be interesting to see if it would overwhelm aegis
So... if the plane surrenders, is that a recognised rule of law?
Sure
@@grimreapers is it written down? 'Article 84c: if you are feeling chicken flash em' your fuel pipe!'
I don’t know. The British missiles had the same problem as the Chinese
Roger. DCS thing.
Curious are the naval radars that good to pick up such a small sea skimming missile ?
Or is it the AWACS support?
In real life they are *probably* not this good. We are trying to simulate a massive AEGIS-type defence including ships+AWACS+5th gen planes.
Has anyone said that you're commentary reminds me of the whale falling to the ground in Hitchhikers Guide to the Galaxy? Because I can't unhear it now.
To be fair. DCS have a hard time handeling modern electronics like EW and multi guided missiles. I would say anything after year 2005 or there abouts DCS is at best a very rought estimation of real system.
Of cause, this is not the devs fault a lot of those systems is higly clasified and hence really hard to make a model for.
That was great but I'm pretty sure the sea ceptors (I don't know about the asters) are designed so that fewer are fired per anti-ship missile
Do this Battle:
"What if UK gives its retired Panavia Tornado to Ukraine ???"
Well, Argentina did cough up a few of super etendards... A veritable zoo of planes it will make for UA, a logistics and training nightmare
"Here, take our old stuff we don't need anymore"
I think the big issue is the swing wing which might be a maintenance problem for the Ukrainians.
There are no retired tornados. The fleet was torn apart for spares until there were none to keep the fleet going. Tornado is dead. Scrapped. There’s no reviving it or making them air worthy for Ukraine. The last flight hours were used on ISIS
You'd see antique shops in Dorset being turned upside down for spare parts.
I was in one last week, they had parts of tornados bent into fancy office furniture
@@BoraHorzaGobuchulMIlais was too lazy to take them down the rubbish dump.
UK needs to get some Batman prep time before the conflict.
the amounts of money wasted on what essentially becomes a draw should make everyone paying for these weapons sick to their stomachs.
If you don't, it won't be a draw... You can see what happens to those who believe in assurances on the example of UA
Spoilers lol
Weird thing China don't want to uses J35 as large volume, they uses only 18 of them😅
funniest commentary ever :D
I kind of expect to see a drone aircraft carrier. A humanless flattop that just looks like one of those cliff faces full of birds nests but in this case it's quad-copter drones with missiles/guns/lasers to screen against missiles/surface drones.
Tatically, USN or RN won't fire everything at the carrier. Many will be fired at defending DDs to make them defend themselves.
May I ask, please, in real life, does the type 45 destroyers carry extra missiles..
Not as far as I know.
In 2027, the T45 will carry 48 Aster-30s, and 24 CAMMs.
I really wonder what dogfights will look like when planes that are capable of firing missiles backwards and sideways will be actually able to do that.
Also, with the advent of missiles having multiple RCS style thrusters for added agility, could those be perhaps used differently, almost like those in the Expanse space battles? Of course there's atmosphere to content with, but a still. Theoretically, a missile could be dropped by a pursued fighter, turned around by rcs, then fire main thrusters to fly head-on at the pursuing aircraft without needing to bend.
"How many missiles should we fire?"
"How many we got?"
"How many missiles should we fire?"
"Yes."
Do the CIWS turrets on the Type 26 and QE not work? You seemed pretty certain that the CV would have been sunk if the missiles had targeted her (one more reason why QE needs her own short range missile system).
Why is the RN carrier so short of F35B?
The QE class can operate 72 F35B.
Epic, Cap! BZ.
Probably the best one yet apart from the wierdness at the end - having said that, it does counter the wierdness of the AI aircraft tactics, so fairs fair. UK win
Oh man I'm not sure if your Chinese audience will be happy. I'm a happy viewer and thats all that matters.
everything worked sorta, no cheaty weapons that couldn't be intercepted and no game breaking bugs that threw the match.
It's taken a few years but we've pretty much mastered the big bugs. Just a few small ones that creep in still.
Its battles like this that make me think of the futility of a full blown war. We run out of missiles so quickly and of course we have a finite supply of these missiles. As far as im aware it takes a lot of time and effort to make missiles, planes and ships. So once we lose these things its either we get thrown back to cold war days or we're just left out in the open defenceless.. surely this is the only reason stopping any country from actually pushing the red button, the amount of economic loss that can be taken from simply losing a single ship is Ludacris..
There's always other assets. Battle is done, war continues. Cost are immense, but that didn't stop WW1 and WW2 from happening.
@@BoraHorzaGobuchul true..
Def demonitized on this one lol. Great fight.
If the Chinese jets don't have at least 1 jet fail to mechanical issues, the sim can't be accurate!!!🤣🤣🤣
underestimating the enemy is a mistake you can't make twice
oof
Never underestimate the Chinese and this is coming from an American. To underestimate your enemy is the first step to losing.
The Chinese turned a half built rusting Russian hulk into a reasonable facsimile of a functional light carrier. They went from 0 carriers to 3 in about 10 years. Do not underestimate them.
@@tanksoldier China also cranked out a carrier sized LHD with catapults in the span of 2 years without anyone noticing until the deck was built.
why are there never any submarines in these battles ?
Subs aren't really modelled proeprly in game, so we miss them out most of the time.
What a geek, not mentioned that a CAG may have 2 ssns carrying ASHP missiles heavyweight torpedos and advanced Intel capability.
If it's possible it would be fun to see a Japanese naval task group vs a Chinese or Russian task group.