How Could US Respond To A Russian Nuclear First Strike Using TACAMO Aircraft? (WarGames 210) | DCS
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- Today we simulate USA in the aftermath of a Russian nuclear strike, having to relay fire orders to their SSBN ballistic submarines using the airborne TACAMO mission.
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I think, you Grims should show a NuKe drop!
Apparently I spoke too soon!
Nuclear Battles:
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You forgot the tug for the Kuznetsoz again!
The most unrealistic part of this scenario is a Russian carrier making it out to sea
As long as they tow it out with the huge tugs needed because it's a POS
Even more unrealistic is it getting this close to Hawaii without anyone noticing the massive pillar of black smoke on the horizon.
Needs tug boats to keep moving!
😂😂😂😂
@gavros9636 he clearly explains the reason why he did this in the start of the video and the chance of an actual Russian Aircraft Carrier being there in reality is unlikely
“We usually don’t have problems with Russian carriers” first time that sentence was ever uttered.
That's dcs for you, baby!
DCS is inverted to real life?
You forgot the most important ship of the Russian carrier group. The tug....
Not everything is modeled well in DCS, but I should think modeling a tugboat in front of the Kuznetsov would be fairly easy.
Great video! For added realism the Russian carrier could spontaneously catch fire every few launches😂
lol
For the interested, A 1990's movie by the name "By Dawn's Early Light" has a scene where they're looking for the TACAMO clearance code. Without the authorization code. It can't be given out.
This is one of my favorite movies of this genre.
For the commentary in the comment above your own, perhaps so? To borrow from your own comment, it may also be very unrealistic that a U.S. carrier that does make it to sea wouldn't be sunk by a Russian submarine. By Dawn's Early Light was a good flick. 👍
US CSGs move with Virginia Class SSNs. Russian submarines are notoriously noisy. At one point during the 80s we actively pinged every submarine the Soviet Union had at the exact same time, to let them know that we knew where every sub they had was. We had a sub behind every one of theirs and they didn't even know it. In short, a Russian sub couldn't get close enough to attack a US CSG... The funniest part about this video is a Russian CSG. That's the joke
Good little film. B-52 skipper Powers Booth had a thing for nuclear war, having also played a downed fighter pilot in Red Dawn (1984).
@@dennisrowley5685 You wouldn't think that the Poseidon launched thousands of knots away from the Project 636.3 who launched it would be too funny of a thing. It's not the 1980's.
@@brianwesley28Russia only has one carrier and it doesn't go anywhere without a tugboat. So for Russia they might be better off it was the 1980s. Their ships still floated and their tanks still had armor lol
As I understand it (from generally available unclassified published information-Tom Clancy), the wires are unspooled to specific differing lengths to "create" the broadcast frequency. The A/C must make a tight turn for long periods over the predetermined location so the wires hang straight down. Talking large drums and thousands of feet. Might then be a "burst" transmission to avoid detection. Believe the C-130 generators (4), are upped from 40KVA to Like 70KVA. Enough anyway to cause power in the bird to dim when the mike is keyed. Understand subs come to a certain depth and specific location at the time of the burst, get the transmission and continue the mission. You can tell TACAMO pilots because they lean when they walk. Like C-130 gunship pilots.
What I don't get is why don't they do this sonically -- as in, drop a bunch of buoys and start transmitting. Subs are super sensitive to sound right?
Lol, nice. Yeah, I saw in the Sandboxx video a diagram of the line hanging deep down into the water. There was also a flight path that showed a slowly drifting tight orbit, so I think the plane needs to stay in position for a long time. Maybe VLF takes a long time to churn out a message?
@@dennisd7 That's a really interesting idea. Sound travels much farther through water than air. But maybe that's the problem: Maybe travels farther than a weak VLF signal and would signal to hostiles roughly where the sub is? Or maybe it's an ecological consideration, like don't confuse the whales or something.
@@dennisd71.) So are enemy subs. 2.) Sound propagation is affected by...everything. 3.) You can't reliably "burst transmit" complex coded messages using sonar.
4.) A enemy could easily intercept, interfere or spoof sonar transmissions.
@@dennisd7If they did that, everyone would hear it.
"...Intercept the intercept." Where have I heard this before...?
(Showdown by Jose Palvi starts playing)
I'm just about to watch this, and just wanted to let you know it's one of the best parts of my night. Seeing a good GR video.
My lucid dream 2 nights ago was me on the USS GW and taking pics and videos to send.
Only the Navy would field something as doofiously macho sounding as "Take Charge And Move Out".
For what it's worth, don't the British have the "Letters of Last Resort" for their subs, in case all comms (and UK command and control ) are gone?
yes, the british have different protocols. but this is if russia attacks mainland US, all this might happen while the window for "no comms" becoming an emergency on the british subs is still not up yet. think right after the attack
Just want to point out how beautiful some of the cloudscapes are in this video. Wow.
@4:30 Just roll play that the Russians used tugboats to tow the CV in place and that the US SSN attack craft all ran into undersea mountains. If we are making stuff up then go the extra mile CAP.
TACK-AH-MO
TACK-uh-moe
milk run is the phrase you're thinking of Cap
That's it.
Thanks Cap and the crew!! I love checking in for the day and there is always fresh new content!!
in the movie 'Crimson Tide', I believe the US missile sub 'Alabama' tried to use its VLF wire to get Launch Authentication, but it was severed whilst playing cat & mouse with another sub ? Good film with Gene Hackman as the Captain & Denzel Washington as his newly appointed 2 I.C.
That movie along with The Hunt for Red October is a must see and so damn good, back when I had satellite cable and it would be on one of the pay channels. I would be glued from start to finish and I’ve watched both those movies at-least 50 times each. Sucks they don’t make any good movies now days, last good movie I just watched was Oppenheimer, funny how we get 1-2 good movies every 3 years now it seems.
@@JackThelRipper It probably depends on whether your tastes match, but check out Critical Drinker. His "Drinker Recommends" list is good at highlighting those few modern gems.
Lol if Simba was there he would've corrected you on the TACAMO pronunciation. Currently the E-6B is in the TACAMO role and is being replaced by the C-130J, an interesting choice!
Roger, I pretty much pronounce all US acronyms wrong.
TAC - A - MO
'Tack ah Mo' -- Cap.
thx
Like Jacamo, where I'm ashamed to admit I buy a lot of my clothes.
Thanks I served with TACAMOPAC. Not criticizing these good chaps, but it nags at ya.🤓
Nice work GR!
Hey GR, love the vids. Keep it up Cap!
Just received Wing Attack Plan R over the CRM114
It decodes as Wing Attack Plan R. Greatest movie ever made. Targets are named as rude names of women’s personal parts. So much to this movie. 5 Academy Awards.
WHERE'S MAJOR KONG?
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The current plane in use for this is the 707, but there is talk they want to go back to the C130 because it can fly slower and at a steeper bank angle than the 707.
" Got so excited I knocked my tea over, sweet! " Not anymore it's not :D
Hey cap been a while since the als mission i just wana say thanks again
11:15 the phrase you're looking for, Cap, is "fast attack" submarine. the Santa Fe is a 688/Los Angeles-class fast attack submarine.
"..Comin' at ya .. Cleopatra..". A very niche reference!😂. @24:04
Just a quick note if I remember correctly the Tacamo aircraft would have operated around 20000ft up due to the length of the wire that they would stream... Also the replacement for the current Tacamo the E-6 which is a heavily modified 707 will be the EC-130J's so you are correct in using the C-130J... Also in the near future the Su-33M's will be replaced by Mig-29K's as well...
Gents this is a fun video. As a TACAMO vet I'm greatly appreciative of your efforts. But many details, are highly fictitious in many ways. I've commented on a few specific open source details about the aircraft below and can't go into greater detail on others. Keep doing research there lots of good open source material but the mission is still alive limiting what vets may talk about. SSBN = Ship Submersible Ballistic Nuclear.
p.s. Current E-6 is all white presumably for anti flash, for whatever that's worth. EC-130Q were all converted C-130H and painted white over gray.
Are you still under a NDA after discharge or something like that?
@@RT-qd8yl I am limited in what I may publish without DoD Pre-pub review.
watching the plane dip in the flyby view gave me anxiety, especially after you switched back to pilot view and were still diving lol
the thing Sandboxx got wrong was that the sub commanders would hold fire. TACAMO is there to tell them NOT to fire. If they lost all comms for an extended period of time, they are gonna fire.
+GrimReapersAtomic *TACAMO is in use 24-7-365.* Very low frequency radio is ideal for telegraphy using tandem ciphers on top of International Morse.
Hi Cap just a bit of an update the US is going to the Australian "Wedgetail" AWACS and Boeing is bringing in a Block 3 Hornet with a lot of improvements
Nuclear weapons would be awesome in a campaign scenario, wouldn't mind seeing them in that capacity in DCS
TAC-A-MO also the E-4 NEACP can do this. Some missions the Submarine would have orders to come to VLF depth and listen, if it heard nothing launch. Like a dead man switch. Someone needed to be alive to stop it.
The Anti-Flash White is 100% easy on the eyes. It looks so dapper on the underside of those 60's aircraft and beyond.
Sandboxx got this wrong too - should be “tack-ah-mo” 😁
*"SSBN."* AFAIK that acronym means this:
_"SS"_ = _"Silent Service."_ The USN's designation for submarines.
_"B"_ = _"Ballistic."_ Meaning a submarine carrying ballistic missiles.
_"N"_ = Nuclear powered.
Non-ballistic missile submarines, such as the Los Angeles class fast attack subs, are designated _"SSN."_
Don't forget SSGN, the G meaning guided missile to refer to the Ohio class converted to tomahawk missile boats. Arguably Virginia class, especially the newest with the Virginia Payload Module qualify as SSGNs, but keep the SSN designation.
The SS stands for sub surface
@@mark97199>>> Correct...👍
@@davidupton5404>>> Okay.
@@davidupton5404 I understood it to be Ship Submersible Balistic Nuclear
Okay well I can rest assured the Grim Reapers won't use a nuke today.
No wonder the NCIS was investigating....
The TACAMO mission is going back to the C-130J in the future.
As a EC-130Q vet. I'm very excited to see that. I left the Nav as the E-6 was IOC.
HEY! You might not dwell on the damage a nuclear strike on the USA, but I live ( Helena, MT) 100 miles south of a lot of US missile silos. Me and my radiation meter would be dwelling quite intensely indeed!
3.6 Roentgen, not great, not terrible
Iy would depend a lot on the wind direction. The prevailing winds are west to east and everything is at least 80 miles north. Thus, we should be OK most times. Can't live forever....
Consider moving?
We moved here two years ago from southern Arizona because we could see the chaos coming. Now we live in a huge state with only a million residents, more than one tank of gas away from the concentrations of craziness on the west coast, with cattle, wheat, oil, coal, hydro power, and people who help each other out in a pinch. I'll take my chances here.
Besides the fishing is good, and I can make a living gold mining.
Love the videos guys. I have learned a lot. Thank you.
I wonder if DCS had air refueling capability not trying to keep connected, but just line up in in pocket and you magically topped back up.
second question does the c-130 cockpit not have the FMS CDU mapped in it where you can program a holding pattern LH or RH turn with your determined length of straight away legs? then set the Autopilot to fly the FMS as the nav source and twiddle your thumbs till you get the heads-up from your communications guy or crew chief who is contact with the comms person working that radio gear that reception of message is confirmed and they are reeling in the cable.
Did you find the control to let you view individual projectiles? That would be an awesome part of a video, following tank projectiles or wven bullets.
Nope
My fortune teller tells me NCIS is going to look into caps financial situation.
He'll be INCREDIBLY dissapointed.
What about if you used only used Hercs or SSBNs in the strike!?! So one herc is the ELF herc, the others are J's with Rapid Dragon! So they could launch LRASM & ER-JASSM pallets, depending on targets!
Mission idea: Operation Bolo, mig sweep. But use F22. Don't leave a single mig. The North Vietnamese (if I'm not mistaken) had 12-16 mig 21's. 28 (if I remember) F4 Phantoms were sent to take them out and had to bait them out. The end result was 7 to 9 migs down. Could F-22's destroy all of them before they can run away? Or low fly to cut off their retreat undetected until it was too late?
Ive seen C5 and C17 launch, as well as a SR71, and a number of A10s!! The F16 and F18, were just common to me. I did like the F14 launch!
Aaaand, just one more music reference
Cap's final scene, with the Herc's flares painting that downward spiral...
The image is not the same, but it reminds me of Home, Back in good ol current days:
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(if the bots scrub that line, it's AT1:12 in Jinjer's Home Back)
The premise that the EC-130 would need a mile or more Antenna Cable out the back end is wrong. Having work on many Communication Systems, in my 40+years (USAF Ret. & Civil Service for Dept. of Navy), you would need WAY less cable. The E-2A use to drag a steel cable, copper coated, antenna for its' HF radios. The cable was then hooked to an Antenna Coupler, which make it possible to use smaller antennas to do the same job. The most you would have to use on the EC-130, would be about 300'.
Thanks
Respectfully Sir and thank you for your service. HF trailing wires very different from VLF. The math for VLF wave lengths requires several miles of wire to achieve a 1/4 wave antenna. The EC-130Q antenna was most accurately described as an off-center fed J antenna. The same configuration is used on the E-6B and E-4B. In fact both E-6B and E-4B used the same VLF comm suite as the EC-130Q until upgraded to a solid state comm suite some years ago. Still the antenna configuration remains the same. A shorter "hot wire" out the tip of the empennage power of the VLF transmitter and a very long wire, grounded to the aircraft fuselage, deployed from the aft under belly. Reason for USN transitioning back to the EC-130J platform for TACAMO is the struggle both E-6 and E-4 had maintaining verticality of the VLF LTWA. all open source information.
I guess take that up Alex Hollings?
@@hanrockabrand95 Respectfully Sir, I'm TACAMO vet, 2k hrs flt time. I watched Sandboxx recent TACAMO post. Alex and I are aligned.
@scottnj2503 Right. I was replying to Victor's comment, as it was my wording in the scenario and it was based on Alex's research.
I actually just watched a video on those planes and why they use the C-130 - it’s because they need to be able to carry LOADS of cables to be able to deploy into the ocean while they fly in a tight circle. That way the EAM can be sent to our submarines in an emergency situation. And they fly slow enough to fly such a tight circle.
Correct Cap, UK has 4 x Vanguard SSBN. Due to be replaced with Dreadnought class SSBNs in the 2030s.
Fantastic again Cap! Any advice on how to get aim120 d or d-3 missiles in my dcs?
FWIW: _"TACAMO"_ is pronounced _tack-uh-moe._
I was in the USN from from 1983 to 1986, and was from mid-1983 to early-1986 stationed at VQ-4/Fleet Air Reconnaissance Squadron 4 at NAS Patixent River {in Maryland, USA}. That is how I know.
Also, a joke someone at VQ-4 once told me:
Some may think *_TACAMO_* stands for *_Take Charge And Move Out._* Others may tell you it stands for *_Take Action And March Off._*
What _TACAMO_ really stands for is *_Take A C-o-c-k And Munch Out._*
🤭🤭🤭
*ONIT😅
@@rastaboy_gamesnstuff7778>>> _"ONIT"?_
I checked *Urban Dictionary,* and all I found was _"On It."_
{Remember, I am a BOOMER...🤭}
Thanks!
@@grimreapers>>> You're Most Welcome!
I was aircrew tech with TACAMOPAC '83-'88. I'd not heard the last one til now. LOL
CAP, questions.
How often does GR use mission suggestions from your crazy fanbase and do you ever name the person who's idea it was originally?
Does GR ever post upcoming missions?
Does GR every seek input from the peanut gallery on possible future missions?
1) every day
2) no, I only look 1 day ahead lol
3) that's where all GR missions come from
Thanks for responding
3:30 Hawaii? That looks like Guam.
The SU-33s from the Kutznetsov couldn't be fully armed and fly so far they flow. Actually because Kutznetsov only has a ski jump the planes must have just a little fuel and a couple of missiles so they can even take off.
Hey cap _ your pronunciation of TACAMO is a bit slow, but good enough. Also, the method a submarine recieves the message is a bit off, but i suspect this is best for national security.
lol roger.
*Cap: **_"Super Ivans"_*
😊😊😊
Where is Hawii ?
Without looking at my Earth globe -- which I cannot find at the moment -- the Hawaiian Islands are located APPROXIMATELY in the middle of the Pacific Ocean.
@@Allan_aka_RocKITEman That was both rhetorical and sarcastic. I spelled it the way I did, because that's the way they spelled it in the mission briefings. I know where Hawaii is.. I've been there. I don't know where Hawii is though.
lol sorry, bad spelling day.
@@grimreapers It happens. Was meant to be light hearted. Cheers!
imagine being a russian in one of those cold war era doctrine scrapheaps and you know there might be a fleet of f22`s hunting for you. they would pull their ejection seat just after takeoff just to be safe lmao
Love the content guys. Just curious but does anyone read/geek up on theory books/pdfs when it comes to aviation and what sort of books do you guys use/read. Ie Nav, Principles of flight, Avionics etc…
Suggestions
I mean theres those, but you can find some more specific and advanced reading on sites like JSTOR or Academia and some other free (or mostly free or sketchy free) download sites.
I don't know any books to recommend for aviation, ive gotten almost all of my knowledge from PDFs and aviation websites.
I think this would of been a little more interesting if you would've used F-15C's. Still nice video though
Wouldn't you prefer a good game of chess?
CAP, have another mission suggestion, no big surprise since I send a bunch. Lol.
Anyway, after watching today's video, I got an idea.
"The newly reform Wagner group has stolen a short range, low yield nuclear missile and they plan to get close enough to launched it at Kiev. NATO has learned about this situation and Moscow has denied all knowledge about it. Since the Ukraine lacks ability to stop it, they requested assistance from NATO. The US is planning a stealth attack into the Crimea and to stop the Wagner group's plans".
What do you think?
I love it!
Maybe you guys should've had air refueling and a couple of KC-135's loitering.
You did my thing! (phrasing) 😍🤩💥
Thanks for the suggestion!
Would have been nice to see a sub launched missile take off to verify the message had been recived … ( I’ve no idea if that’s possable in dcs)
There's an 80s movies called Countdown to Looking Glass. Great movie about nuclear war that includes the TACAMO aircraft.
Fiendish Thingy
Raptors, putting the 'miss' in missile.
I wonder if the game plan for this situation would ever launch a nuke at the enemy carrier fleet?
Hey this was kinda my idea🙋♂️🙋♂️🙋♂️
I live in southeast Virginia, surrounded by military bases. If nuclear war happens I won’t know what hit me.
SSBN= Submarine (SS) Ballistic missile (B) Nuclear (N)...a Ballistic missile submarine, nuclear powered.
Why didnt the ships shoot down the jet? dont they have a 200+ KM range for their AA missiles
Missions like this are why I prefer your stuff from the 70's-90's
Now use the E-6B
Its not loitering.... its adrift
Just wondering ,,, wouldn't Hickam just be a big ball of slag after a 1st strike?
Fair comment.
This is likely. Russia knows there are high-valued assets in Hawaii, and I don’t doubt that is one of the first targets they would go for. Can’t imagine how in-depth their targeting plans are.
Unclassified range of Trident is ALWAYS less than its actual range
something to consider: disclosed range is "max" range because of the nuclear agreements. range is inversely proportional to weight. "max" range is carrying all the warheads payload (its the terms of the agreements). but they aren't carrying all the payload... because of the newer agreements. so by design, rn, it's not at all how far they can go.
and this applies to many of the pre-agreements tech who were "watered down" (cold war carrying a shit ton of payload and had to cut down)
'Electronic voice' Would you like to play a game?
That brings back memories.
Cap given the unfair advantage to F22s, the boys should have flown the SUs
2:31 what’s the map program?
this is a tad different :)
That was interesting. Love the sky and clouds in the background. Are the game in 3D? 💺😊👍
Raptors playing with there food again
Take Charge And Move Out.
I have a friend who was in the Australian army
Jr was in signals and they scaled high yteeon a high level
Fuck
Level and spaned wire between two high trees, they communicated around the world
why would there not be an air born refueling tanker?
A tanker would only be useful if it were close to the front, which would make it an extremely easy target (even for the Russians) so it's a bit pointless.
The rear wings on some Russian missiles looks like a metal net, is there any benefit to have that look?
It's just a different way of providing control. Look at all the space-x rockets. They use the same style of system. But as for the aerodynamic reasons, I haven't been able to find if they provide any advantage over the others styles.
They're called 'grid fins', they're a control surface. They help reduce torque which allows for smoother trajectory adjustments throughout flight. Also lower torque will result in a higher missile top speed.
In theory it provides control with less drag then a wing. Making them better at high speeds. American missiles want to be stealthy, so most never reach the speeds where it would make a significant difference. And grid fins are much easier to see on radar.
@@reaperbsc Well i maybe for some US Cruise missiles but as for AAMs, its just a different design choice made by the Soviets and the Russians have decided thats it still works well and so havent changed it.
That isn't very consequential when its AAMs/Guided bombs. These are the only cases where Russia uses them
@@Firedad376In terms of maneuverability, it provides an edge over other traditional Fox 3 missiles, but it creates more drag, which limits the range of the missile. It’s why the new R-77M has them removed to greatly enhance range, while also adding a second-stage pulse motor that activates when it’s near its selected target to give a higher P/K ratio.
SS - submarine
B - ballistic missile armed
N - nuclear powered
SATCOM is also down?
EMP
They had destroyed some Satelites in the Cold War. But these was a 1.4mt Bomb 250 miles high. I think today they are to heavily shielded@@NickyH60
Can't the fighters see the missiles on their radar or are they all stealth missiles?
Normal missiles but at least in game they can;t see the missiles on radar.
Bug or feature?@@grimreapers
@@surtersI’d say it’s more like a feature that should be added. Your standard AIM-120 isn’t stealthy in the slightest, so with modernized radars, they should be able to pick them up and react.
I like that, as Germany claims their Iris-T air launched missiles can shoot down incoming anti-air missiles :) @@rebelliousfew
I think youve done this before but what if russia went through Canada to take over North America?
These new bots are unique. They at least have a nice profile picture.
Eh.. I doubt it would occur. Lots of Russia’s forces, air bases, etc. are placed near Europe, as they expect more of a confrontation in those areas. Even if Russia decided to relocate a huge amount of their total forces waaaaay over in the Far East, they simply don’t have the capacity to invade another nation properly overseas, as they’re forces are mostly land and air-based with a navy that isn’t suited for large, overseas operations. Sure, they could cross over the frozen ice that crosses in between, but it would only put them in a very vulnerable position and would slow them down very significantly.
@@rebelliousfew you never know. In one of caps' videos his missiles were cows. But on a serious note, I have no idea how the security is in the north. It would at least be interesting to learn what the security is. You know Cap will research the shit out of it.
TACAMO (“Tack-a-moe”) Do you even SPEAK ‘Murican, bro?🤣
SSBN
SS = Submarine
B = Ballistic missile
N = Nuclear-powered
as opposed to the fast attack subs (SSN = Submarine, Nuclear-powered) and the new cruise missile subs (SSGN = Submarine, Guided missile, Nuclear-powered).
There double-letter designations were to standardize and avoid confusion. BB for battleships, CC for cruisers, DD for destroyers, FF for frigates. Carriers are CV for fixed wing, and amphibious assault ships with helicopter flight decks are LHA (Landing vessel, Helicopter, amphibious Assault). All of today's US carriers are nuclear powered, so they're all CVNs. all destroyers are guided missile armed, so they're all DDGs. same goes for frigates, thus FFG. Cruisers are similarly equipped, so CG. Some cruisers used to be nuclear, so CGN. Battleships are the only ones that still use the base designator (BB), but they're all mothballed or scrapped.
And LCSs… we don't talk about LCSs. Great idea on paper. Absolute shite in practice. At least the follow-on FFG(X) program will take lessons learned from them.
Also, a fun fact: our Wasp-class and America-class LHAs are the same size as the Charles du Gaulle and the Vikramaditya. Remember, the Wasp-class and America-class are less than half the tonnage than the Nimitz-class and Gerald Ford-class CVNs (45,000 long tons vs. 100,000 long tons displacement). Just to put a finger on how much truth there is to the US military saying there's no such thing as overkill, we haave 11 CVNs and 9 LHAs. On paper, we only (only! lol) have 11 aircraft carriers, but given that our LHAs can support A/V-8B Harriers and F-35B Lightning IIs, they certainly are carriers in their own right. They can carry a complement similar to the Kuznetsov, and likely, the Charles du Gaulle and the Vikramaditya. Even taking the CVNs out of the equation, we still have more carriers than the rest of the world combined. And then we have these ships that are small cities in their own right.
In a dick-measuring contest, the US absolutely dominates in terms of force projection; Russia is barely on par with France.
It's not snow. It's neucleR fallout. It tickles your noses! 😮
Pronounced Tack A Moe. TackAMoe.
thx
What happened to Violet?
Left DCS.