The Evolution of Jacob DeGrom's Pitching Mechanics
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- Jacob DeGrom has improved year after year since he entered the league in 2014, but now has gained 5+ mph to not only his average, but peak velocity into his early 30's. How did he do it? In this 50 minute breakdown, we dive into what changes DeGrom has made since his rookie year, from ankle eversion to degree of elbow flexion and the advantages of vertical approach angle, we cover it all A-Z of what makes Jacob DeGrom one of the most dominant pitchers on the planet.
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It's 2025 and Jacob Degrom just broke Chapman's record of 106!
hopefully not
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you mean he hit 118 MPH and has a 0.02 ERA
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I don't think a lot of fans realize how absolutely dominant Jake was for those few seasons. It's so unfortunate that he couldn't stay healthy. What he was on pace to do in 2021 is just mine blowing.
it’s crazy how baseball is so underrated. like people treat baseball like golf.
That makes no sense every sport is unique in its own way
@@elee2.035 I understand what you’re saying. All I’m simply saying is that baseball is so interesting but people don’t wanna take the time to understand it. Baseball in my opinion is top 5 sports in the world easily but that’s just me.
It’s baffling 🤯
@@ckorijonesjr Same for golf to be honest, a lot of overlap between the intricacies of pitcher mechanics and the golf swing.
Good Sport just not very watchable if your not a big baseball fan...
I only started playing baseball for several months and watched tons of baseball videos on youtube. This is by far the most informative and interesting one to watch. Thanks for the amount of effort you put in for a 50 minutes video!!
Glad you liked it!
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The reason why he is able to throw faster than he did in 2014 was that he lost all of that hair
Imagine being able to throw a slider at 96 mph.
The movement profile is more of a cutter but still one of the nastier pitches in baseball!
Crazy
Imagine having an effective CHANGE UP that hits 93!
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As a Junior in High School going into my Junior year this season, this is very informative and very helpful for me. Great Video btw!
Glad it was helpful!
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Superb breakdown as always, Ben. DeGrom is fascinating not only because he's so good, but he's a very late bloomer who's demonstrating "the impossible", that is the ability to continue to improve one's power/velocity into your 30's.
Couldn't agree more!
I would not call him a late bloomer per say. He did not even begin to pitch until his JR. year in college. So in reality, his arm has 1000s of less miles than say Kershaw, which allows him the strength to achieve these leaps. If he had been a pitcher since he was a little leaguer, it is doubtful he would have ever reach 100mph. The majesty of deGrom is really the fact he was not a pitcher and no one thought he was going to be a good pitcher once he switched. He is the same age as Kershaw and has over 1000 less innings pitched in his career. That is a key factor people do not realize. His arm is still fresh. Allowing for an easier transition into mechanically efficiency.
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I’m currently a sophomore in high school throwing 93 and I love watching videos like these to improve myself all the time and this might be the best one I’ve ever seen.
Appreciate you! Reach out if you ever need anything.
93 as a HS sophomore? Might need you in my fantasy dynasty league.
@@alexwhite4795 If he can actually throw 93 as a sophomore I'd draft him right now lol
@@cwicht2717 it’s legit, he’s commited to Oregon as well
@@willberry5391 Damn. When is ESPN putting him in their fantasy system lol
This video has 18,000 views, and that's 18,000 pitchers who all improved just by watching. Ha, Ha! Truly exceptional and extraordinarily valuable information. Every time a question came to mind, I waited a few seconds, and you answered it! Thanks for being awesome.
Thanks for the comment! Glad it was helpful!
This was a very great breakdown of his pitching mechanics. Very in depth and tons of knowledge to be gained by others. Best one ive seen so far. Great work! God bless!
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Would love to see a breakdown of old school pitchers who just figured this stuff out on their own or just had natural mechanics that made them great - Seaver, Gibson, etc
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Great analysis, you've got a new subscriber.
Awesome vid, super easy to understand it's great when someone speaks the same language as you keep up the good work.
Loving all the breakdowns
This is the one of the most relevant videos I have ever seen!
mccann and trevor may said they've never worked with anyone like him, that can *feel* something off in his mechanics by an inch or so and fix it in real time. mccann has caught some studs so that really caught my attention
look up mccann's appearance on the Chris Rose Rotation
Such a great video. Never seen a video go this deep into someone’s mechanics. So much knowledge shared in this video!
Glad you enjoyed it!
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thank you so much for making this video. Have a good full moon night and weekend.
The most excellent explanation working on smoothness and flow . Loved the ball tap removal reducing glove ball friction . 👍👍⚾️
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Awesome stuff! Thank you very much for the video
Fantastic content!
Fantastic analysis. Would be great if the DeGrom would weigh in on this but maybe he doesn’t even know. To him maybe it’s a simple as efficiency and smoothness. But you picked up a few key differences that I think really matter here. The shame of it is he continues to be injured despite low effort mechanics
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50 minutes?! There are word limits for a reason.
this is your best video yet
Thank you for this. really cool
25:51 why does my homie degoat look so thick in this frame, gonna make me act up
Great job putting this together
Thank you! Glad you enjoyed it!
Great stuff as always Ben, the Sherlock Holmes build up then breakdown of the details is excellent and thorough. I'm wondering how many pitching issues can be solved with throw hard easy tbh, it's such a broad reaching concept.
Any chance of doing a breakdown on Chris Sale next? I've always wanted to see someone break his style down properly and watching Josh Haders fastball reminded me that you haven't done him yet. I hope he comes out of the tj surgery 100%..
Both great suggestions, and as a low slot lefty myself I've studied them a bunch!
Great video, great analysis! Efficient movement, and with throwing, is biomechanically using length/tension, movement, rhythm, posture (everything you've pointed out!) With throwing more efficient, you will be using length/tension relationships, just like your citing Javelin throwing. To be an efficient Javelin thrower, you must create, via technique, and tissue development, massive and quick stretch shortening cycles. With the center of mass moving, and then braking/blocking to create (efficiently) linear and rotational force. This rapid and violent blocking is efficient, but is quite damaging to the body. A good Javelin thrower knows about pain! (of course, pitchers as well!) So despite being more efficient, it does take a toll on soft/connective tissue, and somewhere in the biomechanical chain it can be difficult not to over stress at any point. Looking at DeGrom's season, I think he fits into that statement. Despite his excellent efficiency of movement, the forces created can take a toll.
This video is so good. Please make a video on how to improve your mobility because a lot of is it genetics, but it too can be improved like strength training. For example look at 48:20. Look at the scapular mobility. There is also so much different info on training mobility that I don't know what to believe. For instance many say to never twist your spine because you shouldn't rotate your lumbar spine. So how are you supposed to improve thoracic rotation. It could really help a lot if you just made a simple video on how to improve thoracic rotation, thoracic extension, scapular mobility etc with different excerises. Ik a lot could benefit from it.
Appreciate the comment - to clarify your confusion, the lumbar spine isn't designed to rotate anywhere near as much as the thoracic spine. So some movements (like prone scorpions) target rotation at the lumbar spine which is why they are widely criticized. It is highly influenced by genetics as well, but can be improved like you mention.
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Amazing video
Some people also get what’s called grown man strength and after perfecting his delivery and release point it became more effortless. I think this helped him get that last 1-2mph of recent time. I was in hs throwing about 85. And haven’t thrown a pitch in years. Radar now at 26 with a little bit more grown man strength and knowledge I was skinning 90 have no idea how but my arm is about to fall off (too old and out of shape) Haven’t even thrown a baseball in years. Ok I’m just bragging but now good analysis!!. Youngins should give this a watch.
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Very interesting. I tend to relate everything to the golf swing, so the first thing I looked for was an improvement in his X-factor (differential between shoulder turn and hip turn), and sure enough, that had improved. A lot of golfers have talked about feeling like they are taking longer in their backswings as well as trying to be more relaxed when they need to hit it further. This is the effect of turning the shoulders more against the turning of the hips, which takes longer than a less efficient X-factor.
To me, deGrom is more rotational in his throwing than Karinchak, so it makes sense that lowering his arm slot would help him get more turn. Karinchak looks more tilt to tilt, so it makes sense raising his arm slot would give him more power. It's similar to the differences between Arnold Palmer and Jack Nicklaus in the early 60s. Both hit the ball a long way. Palmer did it with a flat swing, Nicklaus did it with an upright swing.
One thing I don't recall hearing is that a 0° vertical angle is the shortest distance the ball can travel, so the more one's angle deviates from 0°, the slower, in essence, the ball will appear to be traveling relative to the plate from the pitcher, yes?
Very interesting post. I hadn't considered it yet, but a 0 degree VAA would technically be the shortest distance the ball can travel. Not sure if that's significant, given that releasing the ball a full foot closer to the target than MLB average only gives you ~1 mph of perceived velocity.
@@treadathletics Ah. So, it's probably negligible, then.
Interesting video, God bless you
this is awesome
you don't get velo from increasing your stride down the mound. The reason he is releasing it lower is due to the fact he has become more efficient with his front leg. IF you notice in 2014 the leg landing does not quite cause the same catapult effect with his upper half as it does now. He is almost parallel to the ground. People use to say to "reach for the grass" Wrong, you have to create that reaction through a strong front leg.
edit: its not arm slot, look at his back angle, it is almost horizontal to the ground in 2021 whereas in 2014 he is more vertical than he is now.
Throwing that hard is insane but the dude has genuine movement on his pitches, he’s unhittable
Like you said, it simply looks like he's much more efficient with his mechanics. Everything from the way he cocks his arm to how he moves down the mound. His new mechanics just look smoother and more concise.
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I think I know how to sum up DeGrom in three words. Freak of nature.
17:42 for mechanics
Great video. I would never notice near as much as you did. The first thing i see with degrom is alot of similarities to pedro martinez.
Great point!
3:53 beautiful mechanics
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Hey Tread Athletics. Chris Sale is similar to degrom in that his body is seemingly more elastic than most, and that allows for a stronger "whipping" and completion of the kinetic chain. But Sale got injured. So im wondering, are there any key differences between the two that may safeguard deGrom from injury? Was it just more innings that did Sale in? Thanks!
Sale definitely has that elastic component, but he doesn't get into the deep positions that DeGrom does nor does he have the fluid spiral action to his arm path. It's always tough to pinpoint the cause of an injury though because they are multifactorial.
Do you think it would be possible to do a Jose Fernandez breakdown?
He was my absolute favorite pitcher to watch
At some point yes. RIP.
what drills can i do to stay on the mound longer and keeping my weight back?
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Effortless. He just seems to fling it, like he'd never injure his arm.
Also, I just noticed how he swings his right leg in front of him after his follow through, as if to use his leg to slow his forward momentum
Great insight!
This is insanely good analysis. But it also put me to sleep. That said. Loved it man. You should be a pitching coach for the Orioles. We could use you.
The O's definitely need some help! I'm from Baltimore.
Do you guys do any evaluations? Like I got video and break it down to see what I’m doing?
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Hey Ben, can you answer this question please?
I've looked all over CZcams and the internet and can't find anything on this...
Why does Jacob DeGrom tuck his thumb? And on which pitches?
Thanks much!
It's most likely a comfort thing. We've seen pitchers have success with tucking their thumb and vice versa. You can always split test and try both and see if one gets better results than the other.
I'm watching this now during the 2021 season and his arm is sore. I wonder if he's over extending his natural movement. I also wonder if he will be fine after he "stretches" his motion and be even better later on... which would be insane.
He's fine, guy in this video says his mechanics are very good
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Interesting, where did you het most of your velocity hops from, because I'm lower 80s as a freshman due to me having better control but I know bog numbers will get you scouted, so what gave you those velo hops
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@@treadathletics dang dude, your a goat, I appreciate you talking to me about it. Much love
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Can you do one on Craig Kimberl CHC?
Do Justin Verlander
0.63 era and 25 hits through 10 games… fuckin video game numbers
He did it by blowing out the ligaments in his elbow.
14:53 isnt josh hader throwing so far to the side too.
Yes, he also benefits from some unique horizontal approach angles
Did Tomorrow Seaver scrape his knee with dirt when pitching because of ankle eversion? Because he get really low to the ground?
Seaver did what I would consider slightly overstriding. He had a soft lead leg block and slightly linear finish as a result. The linear finish causes the back knee to shoot inwards into ball release. He's not necessarily the pitcher who I would seek to emulate from a mechanical standpoint.
8:15 - 8:19
What about the possibility that weight back creates bigger moment arm and will lead to more ground reaction forces
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27:45
2020 = short arm
2024 = long arm
It is right?
but unless he maintains his flexibility, mobility, and strength as he continues to age, it won't matter if he is "efficient."
Efficiency is extremely important. but with an aging pitcher it is more important to train in whatever way to maintain that flexibity, that mobility, that strength, bc the second you start to lose hip mobility, or any mobility, no matter how efficient you are youre velo will slow down because the places the velo comes from are not able to take that load. and even if he keeps the mobility he needs to keep the strength he does have bc w/out it, he is susceptible to injury due to weak joints. The last thing I am thinking of, we slow down with age too so it is important he keeps that strength bc you don't throw hard from have peak mechanical efficiency due to mobility. you throw hard bc you have the strength to use that mobility to make everything fire on all cylinders.
Looks like he is leaning more towards the plate in 2020, instead of leaning towards 1st base like in 2014
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It’s the little things man
Plot Twist: none of these actually helped him throw 100mph consistently, he just had to cut his hair
Hey great vid
Make a breakdown of Gerrit Cole's mechanics, he made a lot of changes since 2014
We definitely need to do one on him ASAP. Maybe he'll be the next one after the Aroldis Chapman video we're finishing up.
8:17 8:20 3:24 3:13 3:54 4:08 4:16 4:28 4:51 5:30 6:23 6:32 7:55 8:23 30:23 30:25 30:29 30:39 37:07 37:13 37:16 48:06
9:08 just look at Max's lower half, damn.
The baseballs were modified to produce more home runs. Starting in 2017, and again in 2019. With that change, the ball is smoother, and harder...therefore you can throw it harder with little effort. The con is you'll get less movement on your pitches. This is why pitchers are throwing the ball 100mph, and hitters are still able to knock it out of the park....it's on a string.
nah not really because the balls speed is recorded when it leaves the pitchers hand so it would have traveled far enough to slow down very much due to air drag
@@aidanluhmann3028 that's my point. Since the ball is smoother, and the stitches are lower, there is less drag on the ball, as soon as it leave the pitchers hand. MLB is on record saying they've changed the baseball yet once again for 2021...making it less prone to home runs. So this will be interesting to see how some pitchers will re-adjust. If you remember, both deGromm and Cole struggled in the beginning of 2019 with the new ball structure. They were able to make adjustments and have great seasons. Others were not so lucky (Hader and Edwin Diaz come to mind)
bro it’s the hair
Where do you get all the statistics? I’m curious as to who publishes this info or if you had to gather it yourself?
Brooks Baseball, Baseball Savant and FanGraphs
I wonder is velocity is overrated? If throwing as hard as possible shreds the ligaments in your elbow and shoulder wouldn't it be better to dial it down and focus on command?
1 pitch 1 out is preferable to a 5-pitch strikeout. 90mph is plenty of fastball but you gotta command it and your other pitches.
90 mph fastballs get hit much harder than upper 90s fastballs these days. And you can definitely work on command and velo. They're not mutually exclusive
It's funny that the thumb of this video is a changeup grip
The chart doesn't show 2 seamer but his rookie year he threw a ton of 2 seamers
And now his arm is blown out for the second time . That's how he did it .
deGrom's motion really reminds me of Pedro Martinez
Let this be roger clemens
Damn man an MLB team should hire you as a consultant 🤔
and it seems that evolution has cost him the season. So good thing he threw 100 MPH for that short time.
2021__ 102 mph
His changeup would blow past me
How??
This is the million (billion?) dollar question
hes my idea of a perfect pitcher
The real answer is that he cut his hair helping take off some of the weight he has up top to create a better drift
If he play for a powerhouse he be a 3 4 times 20 game winner already.
Just remember he came in the league throwing 98mph
2014 average fastball velocity: 94.51
2021 average fastball velocity: 98.99
i think he just decides to throw the ball faster and the ball is too scared to say no
If you had to guess... how does he keep his chest back so long?
Hip shoulder separation is influenced by a lot of things - he's got great mobility through his hips and thoracic spine (a prerequisite to these types of positions), but that only gives the potential for reaching these positions. He is able to express that mobility at high speeds because of very efficient patterns + sequencing. He's mastered the dance move down the mound - moving forward while staying back, seamlessly combining a linear move with a rotational unload.
@@treadathletics I understand what you’re saying but I meant like a thought process he has going down the mound? If you HAD to guess what would you say?
@@tuttysinsight no thought process you dont think when you touch your nose. Thats what its like to him. Its second nature.
@@windygraphics6131 no that’s bad because that’s like saying he doesn’t work on it at all... what does he work on then? He literally says he works on stuff so what is it?
And now he's done for the season lol
So the real takeaway is....Nolan Ryan was a freak.
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even randy johnson threw his fastest pitch at age 40
How fast was it?
@@gv2851 102 mph according to wikipedia
Are you saying he has a 99mph change up? Look at the video caption. C’mon, man!!!
He hasn't been healthy since the bump. He is now rushing to the plate. He needs to stay back maybe lose a few MPH and protect that arm.