Jacob deGrom Nearly Pitched The Greatest Season Ever
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Jacob deGrom has been the best pitcher in baseball for quite a few years now. Unfortunately, recent injury problems has hindered his full potential. The biggest example of this was in 2021, where deGrom started off the season on a path towards the greatest season ever.
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I did this back in 09, but the cameras were off
Flight did this at birth, but the cameras were off
@@cantripleplays flight did this when columbus discovered the us but the cameras weren’t on
All these jealous CZcamsrs always seem to forget my historic 22 SO game
@@basedmichigan y'all be messing i struck out 25 batters boi but the cameras were off
Are you leaving out my non-televised perfect game streak? Yep, 6 in a row; don’t you ever forget it
It’s really tough not seeing Jake in a Mets uniform he was my favorite starter on the team back in 2015 by far and watching his ascent to being the best pitcher in the league was awesome. I hope he can have some good seasons with the Rangers but injuries seem to just plague him lately.
Jake was a gem for the Mets. It sucks he never finished as a Met. I think his injury problems was why the mets didn’t keep him
It's for the best. It's Texas' problem now.
so far we aren’t having any problems 😂
@@l.k.610 oh you will. It's only a matter of rime
@@l.k.610 lmfao dudes delusional. delayed for issues in spring training, pulled 4 innings in, absolutely clobbered opening day. Keep huffing that copium, we did for the past 3 years
@@_heartunderblade2451 he’s expected to make his next start and it was totally precautionary. I’ll gladly take 4 scoreless innings from my starter if he continues to play at that degree. You’re coping because you lost him 💀
To me what Was even more impressive than DeGroms stats were those who actually took him deep that year
Raimel Tapia somehow hit a HR off deGrom
Luck tbh. Eventually with enough hacks at a pitch, you'll make contact and it'll leave the park.
Pause?
The funny thing is with most pitchers the concern of getting hit hard is making a mistake to a good hitter, that wasn’t really the case with him. DeGrom in 2021 didn’t make mistakes and wasn’t even trying to fool hitters all that much, in most of his starts he basically threw nothing but fastballs and sliders and always in pretty much the same location (just below the batter’s chest, edge of the plate on his glove side). The thing was even knowing that, most hitters just genuinely couldn’t catch up to it.
He did all this and blew his arm out and stealing money
Throwing 100 puts insane strain on the arm. 2 quotes puts this story perfectly
DeGrom flew too close to the sun and got burned
The star that shines the brightest burns the quickest
almost wonder if he should try lowering it back to mid-upper 90s
You're not as smart as you think you are
The interesting thing is, according to tread athletics, DeGrom actually felt more mechanically smooth after adding velo to his pitches. He reportedly stated that he was not trying to throw harder, rather he was focused on optimizing his mechanics.
Saw him at Citi Field for his first home start last season. I must say, he’s one of the best athletes I’ve ever seen play live. Utterly dominant.
6/16/21: 3IP, 0H, 0BB, 8Ks. Just like his season, I wish degrom would've finished this game! Huge what-if for that one
He's the best glass cannon to exist in 21st century baseball.
He is the definition of the term in sports. He just needs to dial it back one tick for longevity’s sake.
Not sure I'd call him a glass cannon, per se. What he was doing was just not physically sustainable IMO. I don't find it a coincidence that he added 5 mph to his fastball and then got hurt. Is it reasonable to ask a pitcher to do his best Aroldis Chapman impression for 6 innings a night and expect him to make it through the season?
Andddddddd he’s injured
@@gaetanodicaprio7681 It was only a matter of time. Ever since he got his ulnar nerve surgery he's been throwing harder and harder. Now he's out with an injury that ultimately requires tjs to come back from.
@@mrmacross yup, it was fools gold. I think a lot of elite pitcher would have been able to do what Degrom did, if they went 100% every innings, but thats not sustainable
Hated having him leave us but can’t deny he always have peak performance when he could on the Mets
Man too be able to see degrom fully in his prime without injury would have been insane
i was at that game! 15 strikeouts and degrom got two hits. even though the stadium was about 20% capacity, the place was electric. very grateful to have seen one of the greatest pitching performances of recent years
Can we stop comparing degrom 2021 to Gibson 1968. Nothing against degrom, great pitcher and I felt terrible for him that he couldn’t stay healthy for the rest of the season and 2022. But Gibson was never taken out of a game in 1968, 34 starts, 28 complete games/ 13 shutouts. And he was pinch hit for the rest of the time. A 1.12 era in over 300 innings. Degrom was 1.08 in 92 innings and he didn’t pitch after early July. They are not the same.
Once again not hating on degrom, or acting like a boomer, but the facts are the facts
different amounts of strain on the body in today's game than in the 60s. deGrom averages 100 on is FBs and 91 on his slider. Gibson's average velo was around 91-92 and definitely wasn't spinning it as much as today's pitchers do. He also had a SO/9 six points lower than deGrom meaning he was striking out less betters per game and therefore threw less pitches per game. The league was also heavily in pitchers favor back then. Gibsons 1.12 was iconic but if you put that against the league average of 2.98 (The best since the deadball era) it might not stand out as much as deGrom's 1.08 with a league average of 4.26. Not trying to make any objective statements just offering another perspective.
@@arthurcooperman3106 hitters today strikeout more regularly than hitters did the . Now you can say that the pitchers throw harder today than then. But you still had the Gibson, Koufax, bunning, and young seavers, Carlton, Ryan and Sutton. I know I missing out on other great power pitchers then but those guy still get their strikeouts. But ok if Gibson avg 91-92 on his fastball, what wrong with that? He know how to pitch and stay feel. If degrom throw 100 but can’t go more than 5 innings without get hurt, I don’t want him. His velocity want up and his injuries want up as well
@@georgepress1261Bob Gibson had a mid-90s fastball. That’s plenty hard. 🙂
He will be on the DL every year for Texas. He's already 34 or 35. His elbow Is fried.
Notice the score of the Mets Marlins game that he gave up a HR in. 1-0, classic deGrom start for the Mets.
GOAT！
I can say i grew into baseball watching and idolizing degrom and it kills me that hes no longer a met. Even if the injuries make sense for the mets looking the other way, i wish him the best and i know he’ll have a return to form sooner or later.
Was forwarded here after commenting on the SRS Todd Frazier video, very good video, though one thing was missing, it has to be more so talked about how deGrom also had an insanely good season on the batting end along with the insane pitching. He had a .500BAbip in 2021. It would be interesting to see a part two of this that focused on the batting and how insane this could've been as an overall season.
Anyways, LGM, let's see what the future holds for this team!
I miss him so much
Watching all his Ranger starts. Dude has been throwing 🔥
Great video. It's such a shame he's run into health issues like this. Who knows what kind of numbers he would have pulled off. Easily a HOF talent but won't get in. I don't think a lot of fans realize how ridiculously dominant deGROM was for those few seasons. It was so tough watching as a Met fan and holding your breath every single pitch he would throw
Gibson throwing 304 innings and having that era is insane.
True, but you do have the factor in that other pitchers in that season were also pitching 300 innings and average ERAs were also very low. It was the dead ball era.
@@panner11 totally. I still think that would be tough to keep up over a season.
@@panner11 what does dead ball era mean?
@@hectorflores9591 from around 1900 to 1919 where the ball was so against flying because of its design and spitballs and scuffing not being against the rule.
@@panner11 No, Gibson did not pitch in the dead ball era. The dead ball era ended in 1920, 15 years before Gibson was even born.
It’s crazy how Jacob deGrom was literally a shortstop
I was hoping for a Baseball Bits on this season but this is the next best thing
Only knock on DeGrom is he can't stay off the injury list, which is a shame because when he's on, it's electric
Yeah when he was first injured back in 2021, at that point he wasn't seen as an injury prone player, but when he kept getting pushed back in 2022, and then even in 2023, I think at this point it's always going to be a concern.
I hope he makes at least 25 starts this year
@@SportStorm23 if he makes 22 to 25 starts I’d be happy. That’s what Kershaw been doing last couple years I know he’s older but then Degrom but if only making 22 starts keeps you healthy then I’m all for degrom only making that many. I just want to see this man dominate in the postseason again he is electric!
@@SportStorm23Here’s a thought: Maybe he shouldn’t be a starting pitcher. Middle-relief might be more his speed.
i miss degrom sfm. I cant wait for his return and see how he adapts and continues to tear through batters.
It's pretty silly to say he "nearly" pitched the best season ever when he had 92 IP. Obviously, he was great, but the actual greatest season candidates pitched more than twice as many innings. It's also incredibly unlikely he would have been able to maintain his pace for the rest of the season. In Pedro's 2000 season in which he set the ERA+ and WHIP records, he had an ERA of 0.99 in his first 91 IP. deGrom's 1.08 ERA may qualify as the best in a player's first 15 starts, but Pedro's was better in the same number of innings, he just needed 12 starts to reach that IP total instead of 15. It's hard to find mid-season ERA+ numbers from the past, but given the offensive environment (2000 was the highest scoring season in the past century), his ERA+ at that point would have logically surpassed deGrom's 373. Pedro fell off a bit in his remaining 125 IP, but he actually had another 125 IP unlike deGrom and still finished the single season record for ERA+ and WHIP. deGrom didn't "nearly" do anything. He had a good first half, but in the end his season ended up fairly comparable in ERA and IP to some of the great closer seasons of all time, nowhere near the greatest Starting Pitcher seasons.
100% agree
People are prisoners of the moment.
The difference is that Gibson had a 1.12 ERA and pitched over 300 innings. No way deGrom or any other pitcher will ever pitch 300 innings in a season, let alone have a 1.12 ERA.
this aged well
Idk what you gotta do. Love your videos, but gonna need a dive deep on the 2003 Marlins or just the marlins in a entirety. Thank you
Pedro with 291 era+ in 2000
Nutty
It makes sense that he would still be improving because if I remember correctly he didn’t start pitching til college. He played shortstop til he was a sophomore or junior in college
Truly one of the best what ifs in history and something I really wish could’ve been seen to the end
This season from De Grom was what actually brought me back to baseball, so I thank him for that
🤡
In the end, de Grom's greatness will always be remembered as a Met because there's no way he is doing in Texas what he ever did in New York. de Grom at his best was insane and this is coming from someone who saw Doc in the early years and knows full well about Seaver. Glad I watched it in person and as a fan.
Best pitcher to ever pitch when healthy
I remember that year well as a Mets fan. Biggest 'what if' in a generation.
Watch his start that year against the Padres! It is hilarious what he does too them...
2:41 just to clarify, tunneling means throwing the pitches in the same trajectory most of the way to the plate, and then having them diverge at the last second. jomboy has some great overlays of degroms fastballs and sliders looking identical until 10 ft from the plate, and then zooming in opposite directions. tunneling DOESNT mean releasing everything from the same armslot, though that's important too
Great videos! 👏🏼Can you do a video of Josh Hamilton!
Asking as a rangers fan!
Thank you! I may make a vid on him one day. Stark Raving Sports has a great video on him too
Hamiltons story is a shame really
Im a rangers fan who only started following baseball literally the day after he was Injured. Never got to see him play.
Jake’s rise was really incredible to watch. Dude was drafted as a shortstop in some throwaway round. Came up around the same time as guys like Harvey, Wheeler, Syndergaard, Matz and Montero. All guys who were top 100 prospects, a few of which were top 20.
DeGrom’s minor league numbers were OK. Nothing special. I remember him being viewed as a throw-in candidate for trades to bring in offense. Guys like Nick Franklin lol.
It’s crazy that when you fast forward to today, not only is he better than all of those guys, but he’s possibly the most dominant pitcher the Mets have ever had. Definitely the best Mets pitcher I’ve seen in my lifetime.
I believe he has the best stuff in all of baseball history. At bats where MVPs get obliterated by 102 MPH fastballs and *93* MPH sliders. It was insane
In 1985 Dwight Gooden was more dominant than Degrom's best season. Gooden went 24-4, 1.53 ERA, 268 SO, winning the pitching triple crown and with 16 CG. The game has changed but Degrom unfortunately could never pitch beyond the 7th inning consistently and be dominant. His ERA would balloon if forced to pitch more innings.
The problem is, Major League Baseball didn't start in 1947. It started in the 1860s/70s. I realize segregation was bulls***, but that doesn't erase the accomplishments of those who played before '47, which just happens to be when some of baseball's most elite flamethrowers took the mound. If you're going to say "greatest season ever", it should be just that -- the greatest season *ever*.
I'll never get over how many Mets fans trashed DeGrom during the off-season.
It was just a bunch of children and fake fans. Every met fan I know wants him to do good and misses him. I understood why the Mets let him go because of the salary but still most mets fans still root for him. But yea just sucks that people were hating on him for no reason after he was the only bright spot on the team for years. But just know most mets fans do still love him it’s just those idiots who are clearly not real fans of they are hating on one of the best pitchers in franchise history 😂
It still makes me sick to see many Mets fans trash him after all he accomplished with us. He gave us wonderful memories and amazing baseball to watch during some very forgettable years. Fans really should be more grateful. I really do think they're in the loud minority though. I get why the Mets let him go because there was no way they were gonna sign him for the amount Texas did and I also get why he had to jump at the offer immediately. Baseball is a business and many fans don't get that aspect of it. It's a lot more complicated than we think. I root for our guys first, but I still keep up with deGrom in Texas and I hope he does well. We'll see him in the Mets HOF someday.
DeGrom is a goat level pitcher when he's not injured all the time. But we should also remember that he's hella old.
Kind of weird how many hate comments there are for DeGrom
Not for deGrom. It’s for this dishonest bullshit analysis.
Hey guys this is the real Jacob Degrom! Thanks for watching, wish I was still a Met.😢
Hopefully he can stay healthy, but it only gets harder as the years pass by.
Perhaps we can see ohtani having this kind of season this year too!😊
It’s cool how they made mlb road to the show into a real person
I would argue that there's one other factor was staying on the field or showing durability and that's toughness. It's not like a guy such as Nolan Ryan never got hurt, he had a higher pain threshold that he would play through. I'm in my 30s so by no means is this supposed to be an "Old man get off my lawn" speech. It does seem like players/teams are much more willing to put a guy on the aisle or rest them for a minor injury, then they were in decades past. I'm sure they can detect more with modern science and teams are more willing to look at the long-term plan But I just find it hard to believe that previous generations weren't getting hurt as much as guys now.
They weren’t, actually. Part of the reason is that pitchers, believe it or not, actually trained smarter in ye olde days than modern pitchers. It’s strange but true.
Wait, you're talking about it like he threw three games or had a perfect preseason and then was out. He made 15 starts, threw 92 innings. Why does every pitchers performance have to lead the league in ERA, stirkeouts, games started, saves, innings pitched, most positive comments by your father in law, etc. to be considered great?
It hurts to see degrom not on the Mets anymore.
deGrom is a GREAT pitcher... unfortunately he is made from glass. He breaks too easily.
Rangers will be lucky to get 3 full seasons out of the 5 year deal they signed him to
Do a video on Maddux
Nearly
His 1500th k was a hot day
All I gotta say now is that the baseball world better watch tf out for DeGrom, he joined the Rangers for a ring to be scorned for it, but now the naysayers get to watch him return to a team who won it all WITHOUT him. DeGrom is going to add 10-15 wins to their record by himself next year, and more rings are likely in their future.
Damnn Ryu was a beast too
lol r u really bringing up ryu in a degrom video?
Bob Gibson holds that title
I probably watched almost every pitch he threw from 2017-2022. Same with Kershaw at his prime. It kind of spoils you. This is Michelangelo in the Sistine Chapel - everyone else starts to look like a house painter.
1.08 with 92 innings pitched. Can't really compare that to Gibson. Gibsons first 11 starts he was 4-5, 97.2 IP with a 1.66 ERA with back to back starts going 12 and 11 innings those starts. He didn't step on the gas until mid season.
here after his second tj surgery :(
3:26 That would have been awkward at the 3rd strike out.
Unreal that after the Mets winning the NL Pennant in 2015, the Mets no longer have Degrom -Harvey - Noah - Wheeler - Matz after the 2022 season.
Those starting pitchers were supposed to create something special in the future for the Mets.
Mets made wildcard game and lost it in 2016, and then that was it in terms of postseason appearances, until the 2022 season.
And also, I just never imagined that Degrom would have become the best pitcher out of all those Mets pitchers, mainly since Degrom was an infielder before being converted to a pitcher
Degrom has ben hit by the curse of the mets
Came here for Bob Gibson.
You CAN'T throw 100 multiple times every start and survive a full season, the body simply will not hold up.
You should do a video on 2016 kershaw
actual goat at his peak
With how hes begun this season *tommy john
There are plenty of historic seasons that exceed deGrom for multiple reasons.
1. Gibson 68
2. Kofax 63-66
3. Carlton 72
4. Maddux 94, 95
5. Martinez 97, 99, 00
6. Gooden 85
I believe he didn’t want to play in New York. So he left. But he is truly missed. It was great going to the game when he was pitching because everyone knew it was a sure win.
Lol somehow the Mets couldn’t keep Nolan Ryan or Jacob Degrom.
@@riltalk4055 or Tom Seaver.
@@alejandrocalle5326Sad
Not really sure you can really say Dedrom was a "sure win" when the Mets usually couldn't score many runs to support him. The Mets were just as likely to loss 1 to 0 or 2 to 1 or whatever as they were to win when he pitched.
@@unkledoda420 Yeah guys like Degrom, Felix Hernandez and Nolan Ryan are the poster children for wins being a relatively “overrated stat”.
A guy could have a 4.00 era and have 15-20 wins vs a guy with a 2.50 era having 10-13 wins because of a lack of run support.
History is filled with great players on subpar teams, I.E..Trout, Ohtani, Ernie Banks, etc..
2:23 that slider was FILTHY. looked like a fastball until literally the last couple feet or so, right when it's too late to check your swing. straight up video game pitch
Who’s here after the Tommy john
The Anthony Martial of baseball. Best in the world when fit and ready to go (this is a SLIGHT joke)
Except that Martial isn't in the top three on his own squad when he's fit and ready to go.
Jake should of retired a Met and have statues built after him, its a shame but easily the best pitcher I've ever watched when hes healthy.
everyone knows the story. he's the best pitcher ever when he's healthy. he never is
33 is not past a pitchers peak at all..look at some of the greatest pitchers stats..33-37 is some of their best years
True
and now he’s getting Tommy John 🤷♂️
Do you see DeGrom as a hall of famer? Thanks SRS!
His peak is absolutely first ballot hall of fame worthy. But he probably needs a few more healthy seasons so he doesn’t get left out like Lincecum
@@SportStorm23 Oh for sure. In his peak, he was untouchable.
He's at least 1k more innings away from consideration and at that rate it would be at least 5 more years. To put into perspective, he's only thrown 60 more innings in his career than Mariano Rivera. If he could get into the range of Lefty Gomez for starts and innings pitched, then possibly yes.
@@drewskij2175 Good point.
Kersh>
Yankee fan here. Degrom had the greatest pitching run I’ve seen since Pedro. He was ridiculous. Sad he’s not retiring a Met but they never gave him run support.
Get real.
@@grahamstrouse1165 Good take
degrom the guy who lives on the injured list? he would be out for the year if he broke a damn nail
Aaaaaaaand He's gone.
The biggest detriment to DeGom's career is spending way too much time with the Mets.
Like hating much? Because that's exactly how you come off. Rookie!
He's definitely one of the best to do it but his injuries and age aren't worth what he got paid. Hell, hes hurt again already.
My favorite player to ever don the orange & blue. Shame his career seems to be trending the way it has.
And... he's out for the season
And still wins a ring meanwhile he made the Mets relevant and they still couldn’t make the playoffs….
Headlines like this are just annoying. Comparing guys who almost never pitch to a batter more than twice per outing to guys who regular go deep into games is just disingenuous.
Can you be the best pitcher if you never pitch?
DeGrom is getting (or got) Tommy John surgery sooo
He throws too hard man….he’s 35 and throwing 100…what do you think is gonna happen? He’s throwing so hard his arm and shoulder are literally coming apart slowly….he needs to dial it back to 96-98 and 89-90….
Yea. Not as dominant but still an all star
He's the most effortless hard thrower in the game though. The problem is he's built like a twig and he's in his mid 30s. The hard throwing relievers that usually have very short careers typically have a very violent motion. In DeGrom's case its age and his build -- and the fact he's a starter the end result in injury plagued. I will say this though. Players today get hurt way more often and IMHO it has to do with excessive non-baseball specific workouts so they pull muscles and get hurt a lot more.
@WiLDCATZ Also, because pitchers are told to throw as hard as they do, maxing out on velocity and finese, while disregarding sustainability and control.
deGrom was great when he was out there, no question about that. But consider that he only pitched 92 innings in 15 games; that's only 6.1 innings per start. I don't like comparing his ERA, pitching when he knew he had a short leash, against guys who were expected to go 8 or 9 innings and conserved energy.
Also, deGrom's increased four-seamer velocity and his recent spate of injuries doesn't seem like a coincidence at all. Why should anyone feel surprised that a guy throwing six innings and throwing as hard as Aroldis Chapman got hurt?
So yeah, he was amazing on the mound, but he had an unsustainable pitching style. From my perspective, it isn't that he was having the greatest season ever and then he unfortunately got hurt. He was pushing his body beyond its limits, making his stats in the short run good, but making him due for injury.
Mets were honestly smart letting Degrom go...
I've seen Halladay, Kershaw, Verlander, Scherzer, P Martinez, and Bumgarner play at their peaks. I'd take DeGrom over any of them. Never seen a more unhittable pitcher, just wish he had more opportunities to pitch in October
Then you’d be stupid
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Wait Pedro Martinez era+ in the year 2000 was 291… sorry can’t watch the video after making that huge of a mistake. Hope you edit your video
You neglect to mention that '68 was an anomaly? ('68 = the year of the pitcher; because the mound was lifted)
I mean, despite being a Cubs fan, I routinely advocate for Gibson's greatness, but come on, you have to give some context
first
Picture that degrom gets hurt and the only other team able to pay his contract is the Mets. Instant resigning to the Mets. Then picture that Senga is very good friends with Ohtani and the Mets can also pay Ohtanis big contract as well. Now pitcher Ohtani, Verlander, Scherzer ,& Degrom all on one team...... I know im pushing the possibilities but this is very possible.