One of the amazing things about beautiful buildings is that everyone-regardless of race, gender, political party, etc.-likes them. A return to classical architecture could be a beautiful cultural movement that could bring many peoples together in pursuit of the common good
Yes exactly. And we need it now more than ever something that unites in increasingly heterogen societies. A comparison would be the archi policy of Austria-Hungary in the late 1800s - early 1900s.
@33:00 The debate about a developer who builds and leaves VS an investor who wants to stay and have long term profit can best be solved by a leasehold model. If you go to London and study "The Great Estates" they are the best managed property portfolios and the most beautiful areas. Each generation knows that they can sell for a century (for example) and then that property will be back in the family, or they can rent and take income. They are conservative and careful by nature because the current owner feels the weight of centuries of tradition of their family and the duty to their family centuries in the future.
There a so many ugly buildings here in Australia. New house builds especially. The problem is a "modern" country like us have no 300 year old buildings to honor. Building classical buildings is harder; beauty is seen as pretentious and decadent. It's very sad. We need a whole cultural shift in the West. People need to understand grandeur and beauty doesn't just only get to exist in video games and movies. It can be made real again.
It’s the same in America where I’m at, the banality has almost nothing beautiful and classical to be contrasted with so almost nobody even realizes how terrible it is
You have lots of beautiful architecture still in Australia and remember that most of classical European archtiecture was built the last 150 years. Check out Street level Australia and join them!
Did you see how Canberra could have looked like? If you wanna watch the video just search it up on CZcams and you will probably find it. Its called something like How Australias capital could have looked like. It would have been gorgeous.
The challenge is not to go down in history as the people who created shallow architecture. If you can figure out how to make a more traditional style relate to our time better you will have a strong start. ‘Many people like traditional architecture’ will not lead to anything significance architecturally (as you can see currently). None of the greats in ‘classical’ times designed in that way. The Mannerists even created architecture that was shocking at the time. The average consumer of our time will not perceive the difference between Mannerism and even Baroque because we no longer have that as our cultural set. But there are many lessons from the past that are still applicable today, it’s just not as easy as ‘Aah I like Bernini so I will design in his style’.
A comment for Kristian?, an architect and "environmental activist". You understand the language of the left and what guides them. For thousands of years people built climate appropriate buildings that were beautiful, today big corporate architecture firms design ugly buildings that are energy inefficient and build sell them in Siberia & Dubai to billionaires who don't even live in them while the rest of us have a housing crisis. Beauty should not be the preserve of the rich, a home shouldn't be an investment product left empty by the super rich. Etc etc Turning the left against modernist architects buy using the language of the left, the anger of the left, the concerns of the left is the best way to proceed. Think less, shout more. It's the motto of the left.
My thinking is that everyone admires this traditional classical arhitecture hence that's why old part of towns/cities are most touristy, but no one wants to live in one ...why is that?
Differ between the old town and the 19th / early 20th century city. Old towns are usually not that practical unlike the 19th century earl 20th districs. The later are the most popular in almost every city since they combine beauty&scale with excellent urbanism and logistics.
Ouch! If you think that the problem with architecture started with the odd philosophy of some ideologue, unrelated to the dynamics of profit, I'm afraid you don't get it and won't go far.
Profit in real estate has always existed independently of how things were built. Ideological blindness permitted only the fastest and cheapest ways of building to be rein without question and developers took advantage of that, not the other way around
unlike michael, I don't belive the all modernist architects are all unreformable, even if most might not change of any significantly numbered group there will be exceptions
@@michael.diamant What do you think of Adam Caruso's Bremer Landesbank facade? (it clearly references classical architecture but is also clearly of our time).
@@Dev1nci I checked the image, the entrance where the arch, it is too big, the part that they used grey, windows are like generic and repetitive, and then suddenly one gets to see the arch entrance but its like it has wrong proportions, a good example to explore would be the Church in Hungary in Romanesque Style (if the entrance is to be done like that), or Church of St Pierre, Aulnay, France. Second half of the 12th century, or 12th century Norman tower in Bury St Edmonds, Suffolk, England, or Saint Trophime in Arles...(hope this was more helpful 🙂)
going backwards is temporally incestuous , but cutting times , de coupling can weaken the strength of heritage and create a sort of insanity of detachment from reality . Moving forwards while remaining connected to the past is not that easy to do , and most institutions that are desirous of power , are not interested in retaining the chain unbroken . I find the discussion of homosexuality interesting as in the Pacific rim , oftentimes it is the work of the society members who are not having children is seen to be the culture keepers AND the art innovators . It is a way that their desire to leave their legacy in society can truly be felt . I pray that my comment is heard well , that it comes from my heart . I am thinking alot about the integrity of the raw materials , does it matter if it IS a wood beam , or a steel I beam with a wooden verneer . But then , do you only use lengths of span that match the growth of the forest in the area , or do you introduce length that is not natural . Does an ICF foam block covered with wood like asbestos shingles painted barn red -- what affect does this have on the psyche ? I do know that when the architecture changes too rapidly , essentially it feels like getting a lobotomy , as the memories that are attached to those shapes become balloons that escape the hands of the children -- gone forever . I enjoyed this conversation , and enjoyed thinking about why we do NOT seem to re build ruins , rather than just stare at the rubble .
Until one of these 'great' architects come about all the classical new-builds will have an identity crisis and essentially be referring to arbitrary points on a timeline varying between Ancient Greece and Art-Deco. And more than likely also refer to arbitrary points geographically. The lack of rigor in getting the gears turning will plague this movement I think. I think there is value to the argument, which is why I'm here but the key word should be 'continuity' not 'classical'.
One of the amazing things about beautiful buildings is that everyone-regardless of race, gender, political party, etc.-likes them.
A return to classical architecture could be a beautiful cultural movement that could bring many peoples together in pursuit of the common good
Yes exactly. And we need it now more than ever something that unites in increasingly heterogen societies. A comparison would be the archi policy of Austria-Hungary in the late 1800s - early 1900s.
Great conversation thank you.
You are welcome!
Great discussion!
Thanks!
Excellent video! 👍🏻👌🏼👏🏻
Thank you!
@33:00 The debate about a developer who builds and leaves VS an investor who wants to stay and have long term profit can best be solved by a leasehold model. If you go to London and study "The Great Estates" they are the best managed property portfolios and the most beautiful areas.
Each generation knows that they can sell for a century (for example) and then that property will be back in the family, or they can rent and take income. They are conservative and careful by nature because the current owner feels the weight of centuries of tradition of their family and the duty to their family centuries in the future.
I have created quite a lot of classical art, and never had recognition.
Sorry to hear that, unfortunately very few people appreciate that kind of art. I do like Renaissance art and appreciate it.
There a so many ugly buildings here in Australia. New house builds especially. The problem is a "modern" country like us have no 300 year old buildings to honor. Building classical buildings is harder; beauty is seen as pretentious and decadent. It's very sad. We need a whole cultural shift in the West. People need to understand grandeur and beauty doesn't just only get to exist in video games and movies. It can be made real again.
It’s the same in America where I’m at, the banality has almost nothing beautiful and classical to be contrasted with so almost nobody even realizes how terrible it is
You have lots of beautiful architecture still in Australia and remember that most of classical European archtiecture was built the last 150 years. Check out Street level Australia and join them!
Did you see how Canberra could have looked like? If you wanna watch the video just search it up on CZcams and you will probably find it. Its called something like How Australias capital could have looked like. It would have been gorgeous.
@@ruben4447 yes l saw that. Would have been spectacular. Typical Australia - no imagination.
The challenge is not to go down in history as the people who created shallow architecture. If you can figure out how to make a more traditional style relate to our time better you will have a strong start. ‘Many people like traditional architecture’ will not lead to anything significance architecturally (as you can see currently). None of the greats in ‘classical’ times designed in that way. The Mannerists even created architecture that was shocking at the time. The average consumer of our time will not perceive the difference between Mannerism and even Baroque because we no longer have that as our cultural set. But there are many lessons from the past that are still applicable today, it’s just not as easy as ‘Aah I like Bernini so I will design in his style’.
It is super easy. You just begin and then it follows.
Could you please name the Jordanian Architect? Is it MAS Design Studio?
Maher architect studio is his name
A comment for Kristian?, an architect and "environmental activist".
You understand the language of the left and what guides them.
For thousands of years people built climate appropriate buildings that were beautiful, today big corporate architecture firms design ugly buildings that are energy inefficient and build sell them in Siberia & Dubai to billionaires who don't even live in them while the rest of us have a housing crisis.
Beauty should not be the preserve of the rich, a home shouldn't be an investment product left empty by the super rich. Etc etc
Turning the left against modernist architects buy using the language of the left, the anger of the left, the concerns of the left is the best way to proceed. Think less, shout more. It's the motto of the left.
My thinking is that everyone admires this traditional classical arhitecture hence that's why old part of towns/cities are most touristy, but no one wants to live in one ...why is that?
People want to live in them, they are just priced out of them
People do want to live in one, but check the prices and realise only the 1% can pay that bill.
Differ between the old town and the 19th / early 20th century city. Old towns are usually not that practical unlike the 19th century earl 20th districs. The later are the most popular in almost every city since they combine beauty&scale with excellent urbanism and logistics.
You shouldn't be afraid to be called "kitch". Kitch is a modernist concept, so just disregard it all together.
Absolutely!
Ouch! If you think that the problem with architecture started with the odd philosophy of some ideologue, unrelated to the dynamics of profit, I'm afraid you don't get it and won't go far.
Profit in real estate has always existed independently of how things were built. Ideological blindness permitted only the fastest and cheapest ways of building to be rein without question and developers took advantage of that, not the other way around
Yes, cathedrals and palaces were erected to make profit XD. You guys lack depth.
@@Nostalg1a So cathedrals and palaces were erected for financial profit? Really?
unlike michael, I don't belive the all modernist architects are all unreformable, even if most might not change of any significantly numbered group there will be exceptions
I hope you are right but I doubt it. They have invested to much in the modernist ideology and leaving it would give a severe identity crisis.
@@michael.diamant What do you think of Adam Caruso's Bremer Landesbank facade? (it clearly references classical architecture but is also clearly of our time).
@@Dev1nci it is a worse version of a traditional facade. New should only be done if equal or better.
@@michael.diamant Will you break it down for me? Why is it worse?
@@Dev1nci I checked the image, the entrance where the arch, it is too big, the part that they used grey, windows are like generic and repetitive, and then suddenly one gets to see the arch entrance but its like it has wrong proportions, a good example to explore would be the Church in Hungary in Romanesque Style (if the entrance is to be done like that), or Church of St Pierre, Aulnay, France. Second half of the 12th century, or 12th century Norman tower in Bury St Edmonds, Suffolk, England, or Saint Trophime in Arles...(hope this was more helpful 🙂)
going backwards is temporally incestuous , but cutting times , de coupling can weaken the strength of heritage and create a sort of insanity of detachment from reality . Moving forwards while remaining connected to the past is not that easy to do , and most institutions that are desirous of power , are not interested in retaining the chain unbroken . I find the discussion of homosexuality interesting as in the Pacific rim , oftentimes it is the work of the society members who are not having children is seen to be the culture keepers AND the art innovators . It is a way that their desire to leave their legacy in society can truly be felt . I pray that my comment is heard well , that it comes from my heart . I am thinking alot about the integrity of the raw materials , does it matter if it IS a wood beam , or a steel I beam with a wooden verneer . But then , do you only use lengths of span that match the growth of the forest in the area , or do you introduce length that is not natural . Does an ICF foam block covered with wood like asbestos shingles painted barn red -- what affect does this have on the psyche ? I do know that when the architecture changes too rapidly , essentially it feels like getting a lobotomy , as the memories that are attached to those shapes become balloons that escape the hands of the children -- gone forever . I enjoyed this conversation , and enjoyed thinking about why we do NOT seem to re build ruins , rather than just stare at the rubble .
What??
Until one of these 'great' architects come about all the classical new-builds will have an identity crisis and essentially be referring to arbitrary points on a timeline varying between Ancient Greece and Art-Deco. And more than likely also refer to arbitrary points geographically. The lack of rigor in getting the gears turning will plague this movement I think.
I think there is value to the argument, which is why I'm here but the key word should be 'continuity' not 'classical'.
Why not classical? That is the continuity.