Well actually the world's cheapest foods are plant based, beans, rice, pasta, vegetables etc. Sure some of the plant based meat brands are expensive but that's because there's not enough of it to have competitive prices. Plus people say that a plant based diet is expensive but then all they say is they eat grass (didn't know grass was so expensive) yet they wouldn't mind paying out their arse for a lobster dinner 😅 the hypocrisy and double standards are ridiculous
A product needs to be better faster and cheaper than its competition. It doesn't taste that much better than meat, the price is almost double, and its not that well distributed. They need to fix these problems
Meat- natural Artificial meat- natural plants that are bombarded with chemicals in order to taste, look and feel like meat. Also, many people can't process plant based protein.
@@SigFigNewton it's not necessarily better for the environment. The pastures in New Zeland for example can't grow any crops but they can put sheep and cows on there.
@@spacetoast7783 bread is actually really bad for you. I'd hardly call beef processed once it's chopped up a bit. I guess a boiled carrot is processed food if you want to go down that road
are you aware of how much contamation, faeces etc are in everyday meats? Not to mention additives that are put in for shelf life. What matters is *how* food is processed, not that it *is* processed@@baz3184
Part of the price issue is exacerbated because regular meat benefits from government feed, water, & farmland subsidies. Remove all the artificial subsidies & the prices may be more comparable.
I really didn't mind the beyond meat patties but ya it came down to price I guess 2 patties for like 8$ CDN was kinda crazy. I havnt seen the prices lately but if they come down I would buy. Also it might be a culture/attitude thing - older friends and family I know don't even wanna try it like there scared of something exotic and new. Stubborn old fools
I'm quite sure it's a price issue. You're not going to replace fancy t-bone steaks that people eat once a month, or a rare weekly treat such as a few rashers of crispy bacon. The real target to pursue is replacing the bulk of ordinary people's animal protein consumption, like pork, and also things that aren't red meat, such as chicken, fish and eggs. And here, cost is a huge parameter. So, the answer is: "They forgot to make their product cheap; instead, they assumed they could guilt poor people, those of the underclass, working class and lower middle class, into buying expensive products."
Do you have any facts to support your assertion that [anyone] expected poor people to buy anything one way or another, due to guilt or any other emotion? Your theory sounds like more of a fantasy than anything based in reality. Side note: with effective carbon taxes to account for negative externalities of CO2 emissions the plant-based substitutes would be cheaper.
I mean, the answer is price, but your assumption of their assumption is silly. It's only in the past 5 years that we've gotten to notmeats that taste like meats, and it wasn't for lack of trying. Development had costs, and production has costs, and the economies of scale haven't kicked in strongly, all of which inherently makes for a more expensive product. And I've seen zero guilt based advertising; it's all "did you want something that tasted like meat but wasn't? It's finally arrived!"
Chicken is way less environmentally damaging to red meat. Getting people to forgo beef in favour of chicken and pork would be a definite win. The big issue is that the real costs of producing beef often aren't priced into the prices people pay. The GHG emissions and deforestation isn't paid by the consumer of the beef but by everyone. Beef should be more expensive. The long-term solution, and one in which I wish we could just get to now, is pricing meat, veg and grains at what is actually appropriate to their true cost of production. They pay a GHG emissions tax which funds competitive contracts for GHG sequestration or some other counter. Plant-based "meat" has its place but imo is kind of a weird temporary blip to tide over our current cultural way of centring meals around meat. Remember for most of civilisation, most of our sustenance would have come from grains like wheat, rice and barley. If I'm having a vegetarian dinner, I'd sooner reach for a lentil curry, meat-less stir-fry or some pasta with pesto than some meat replacement.
Except it didn't. It's just expensive. And yeah, the ingredients could be better. That's why I only get some plant based meat when I can actually afford it, most plant based meat products cost around 4 euro at least for 250 to 300 gramme. That's just too expensive in comparison to actual meat.
The "cow burp" argument misses the fact that before humans cam eon the scene, large herbivores were EVERYWHERE. Herbivore methane production before humans was significantly higher than they are now. Reducing methane emissions form herbivores is a diversion from the real problem: human emissions. It is easier to blame cows than blame ourselves.
@@PutkisenSetä just consider all those carbon emissions you produce posting your plant based lifestyle on instagram. Instagram servers use a lot of energy.
I live in Southeast Asia in the Philippines in the Metropolitan Manila area. Several restaurants and companies also offered the plant meat substitute. I did try many taste like the real thing and I would not mind. However the biggest obstacles is price. The cost of these plant meats are several times more expensive than real meat. So with inflation going high and cost of other subsidies and with electric prices being high. Most will go to the cheaper real meat bo matter what. Unless these companies make it more affordable it is not going to work.
It's not just the price, it's probably also the marketing, they should be targeting people who are looking for alternatives SPECIFICALLY, who may like the taste of meat but may not be comfortable eating meat. DO NOT try to market it as a healthier alternative when it's ultra processed nature raises doubts about that claim. Target that niche first and DEFINITELY don't be condescending towards meat lovers,Protein is extremely important thing to have in our diet.
Processed food even if its plant based is still bad for the body. The best thing that worked for me when I tried vegan diet was a cup of white rice with 1 package of tempeh (fermented tofu)/2 natto packages (fermented soy beans) An important lesson I learned is that non-processed food dont give digestion problems. I dont think big business like that lol
It tastes terrible! I am a vegetarian and used to be able to get a nice blackbean burger or other decent veggie burger here or there. This awful stuff that is trying, and failing, to taste like meat, is replacing my hard to find veggie burgers. People who like meat want meat. People who don't like meat, don't want fake meat either. I can't figure out who this stuff is supposed to be appealing to.
@@KC-pz4md ironic how the video ignores the fact that plant based meat is so processed that it affects the body (not to mention the amount of chemicals that plant based meats have that affect the human body even more than normal meat) the reason why there’s a push is because corporations find it less expensive to make process seed oil based meat than just regular meat
@@zello4075 that's an anecdote backed up with no real data or evidence, everything is processed and has chemicals in it to a degree unless you're consuming a whole food raw diet.
Chicken is a very high sodium food. The carcasses are usually injected with brine to increase the weight. Chicken without that added salt would taste bland. Also modern chicken strains and farming practice produce meat that is much fattier than what people ate 100 years ago.
Plant meat is failing because the current products are disgusting, some are actually inedible, and they feature ingredients that make them more unhealthy to eat than meat. Did Bloomberg really just waste money on having Kal Penn try to be snarky?
What ingredients make them more unhealthy than meat? You can’t answer, because you are lying. Whatever beef industry advertising group hired you to spam CZcams forums should get a refund, your argument is so lame and your bias so obvious.
Not sure what you're referring to, but if you think "real" meat products don't contain them, well.. there were fillers long before plant based meat, so..
@@spacetoast7783 Plant-based meat alternatives often contain more sodium than animal meats-in some examples up to six times more-and some of them contain added sugars, artificial coloring, and controversial additives like carrageenan and methylcellulose, which are bulking agents. 5 Chemicals Lurking in Plant-Based Meats Tertiary butylhydroquinone. ... Magnesium carbonate. ... Erythosine (Red #3). ... Propylene glycol. ... Ferric orthophosphate Thanks but I will pass 😉
you need protein in the diet daily, mushrooms are much more expensive than chicken in grams of protein per dollar. everything is really. and you will need some supplements regardless, even if you replace protein you still need those essential amino-acids humans evolved to only get from animal products consumption.
@@premg062 okay after I googled a bit that was an incorrect statement, but there still are a few nutrients not readily available in plant based diet, but they aren't amino acids, like vitamin b12. no, I'm not an actual nutritionist. and you still have to look for actual content for every nutrient, even if many of them are found in both plants and meat, it doesn't necessarily mean that it's an easy substitution, because for a lot of nutrients the content in plants is very much lower. anyhow, a different point that I made in another comment is that if everybody ditched meat a healthy plant based diet would likely become unsustainably expensive too. I'm quite convinced that current vegans do just fine only because the demand for purely plant based diet is low. animal farming is not unsustainable in itself, excessive animal farming is. ditching meat altogether would not be sustainable as well, many "complete protein" plants are very water intensive to grow for example.
It's not either/or. If it gets to be cheaper than factory meat, then we can talk. But also the way we've weaponized culture against what people should and shouldn't eat is highly problematic. I wouldn't be surprised if we see data that eventually atrributed the effects of climate change to how much we fetishize the eating of meat (and I enjoy a cheeseburger as much as anyone here).
Not to mention they are full of oils, specifically canola oil. The way to go is grass fed, pasture raised local beef. If you’re vegan try making your own veggie burgers at home. Skip the seed oils!
we haven't been brought up or socialised to see meat as a critical part of our diet. It's been a critical part of our diet for millions of years. That's hugely important. People are making money off meat products and off non-meat products. If you want to look at what's having an impact on the environment, look at food waste. It's absolutely huge. But that is a bigger social change as it would probably mean less restaurants (huge amounts of food wasted) and unlimited supermarkets. At the end of the day, if we all just eat what we need for our bodies, there would be no hunger and climate problems. so many products are created, be it food or not, and then end up in landfill, resulting in 100% wasted resources.
Kal, very nice segment. If you wanted to go a little deeper, I would be interested in seeing the math behind the global warming emissions associated with livestock. Feeling very skeptical. I drove by a hillside covered with sheep who had beautifully mowed a field in advance of fire season. What alternative is modeled that avoids all the emissions that produces? Leaving the grass stand? Mow it with a scythe? Carbon, in particular, has a cycle. Plant growth captures it but, after the plant dies, releases it. The body of the plant is decomposed in one of several ways but *it* *does* *not* *stay* *captured* . If no animals eat the grass in a given field for a century, you do not see coal deposits building up in the field. (We are no longer in the carboniferous period.) That carbon was consumed by fungi or animals and released. To raise livestock, one needs to get enough plants to feed them. This involved fostering carbon capture, which the cows then consume. Only looking at part of the cycle is disingenuous. If you compare that to air travel, there is no cycle. Fossil fuels are extracted and burned. It's a one-way street.
Beans, lentils and other natural protein solutions, still feels like a more healthy alternative to meat than a product made in a lab and then marketed to consumers as the eighth wonder of the world.
I think its obvious why it went up by 50%, people wanted to try it for the first time. Economically it still has ways to go as it requires a ton of expensive science to develop. And with all the automation being implemented in the near future there is no reason this cant work.
i tried it , but don't see the need for it .As a plant based lifestyle it has too many things i DON'T need. I enjoy eating a natural food diet of whole food plant based variety of great food. WITHOUT a processed meat product... the product is just unnecessary
Absolutely, the price is the issue. People do not want to be scammed to pay 10$ more for something that would actually be justifiable to be sold for 2$ regarding the different costs in production, facility etc.
Producing plant-based meat is more expensive than the actual meat that they are trying to replace, especially in countries that don't have expertise and technologies to produce it in an economical manner. The production will always be higher if the quantity is produced lower. And, this is the main reason why alternative foods always almost flop in many countries with citizens who can't afford it.
Biggest reason is cost. Meat would price itself out of the Market without being tax subsidized. Everyone needs to know this. Everything else is basically piffle.
It's far too expensive compared to meat, at least in Australia it is. Most middle class people here are struggling with price rises in food, so if they make vegetarian meals they'd make legume based meals instead.
@@baz3184 the UN agenda 2030 goal is to make the whole planet into a technocratic dictatorship with part of that meat only being for the rich like in feudal times. Humans need high energy dense food for our big brains and with our short digestion system we can't get nutrients from plants. So it's a way to waeken and control the plebs.
Because Germany is a rich country and people can afford it, the rest of the world is not Germany. It will always flop in countries who can't afford it.
@@momo.ru-kun the country is rich but people aren't. Some alternative products, especially bread toppings (like salami, ham), are actually cheaper than the meat products. And that's despite the fact that they're being taxed 12% more than actual meat products (19% instead of 7%). So vegan alternatives can actually be cheaper and it makes perfect sense because they require a lot less ressources overall for the same amount of nutrients
@@nxt_tim It's highly processed and loaded with sodium. It contains far, far more carbohydrates. The protein in plant-based alternatives is also of lower quality. Moreover, in the U.S. at least, people buy meat that is pretty lean. Fatty meat just isn't a large part of the diet.
Elsewhere on CZcams, you can hear about how the Beyond Meat company rushed to be first to market with a large product line. That strategy ultimately hurt the company a bit. A Beyond burger has more of a taste to it that I like, but I could see some not liking. Impossible could have broader appeal. I buy both, but mostly when they're on sale.
The thing is we literally dont need to substitute meat with plant-based meat to save emission because there are already successful prototype of artificial meats which are atomically the same as the real meat so it literally tastes the same but made in lab with very little impact to the environment. So plant-based meat didnt fail it just going to be a niche product for vegetarian and nothing wrong with that.
Are you saying that the sale of “artificial meats” (your words) have taken off so much that those sales explain why plant-based meat substitutes aren’t selling better?
Plant based meat has no shot at taking off if they keep naming them after existing meat/ products. I get it, but they should instead focus their marketing on creating a new category entirely. The real problem is bad marketing that leaves consumers confused. The ads are like, ‘Hey, this is meat x, but it’s really not meat x. We can’t decide 🤷♂️…you decide!’.
This issue will not be properly addressed until the problem becomes to great. The near future will be simple which is what the consumer "wants". Lab grown animal cell meat or plant based "meat"
My girlfriend is a vegan and she loves my home made plant based burgers. (It's beef😂) honestly she looks allot healthier with a little bit of meat in her diet. I haven't the heart to tell her
I'M NEVER going to stop eating meat-According to a report by the Information Technology and Innovation Foundation (ITIF), gene editing could significantly reduce methane emissions from cows’ belches and farts which contribute to the climate crisis1. Veterinary researchers at the University of Adelaide have shown that how much methane a cow produces depends on that cow’s genetic makeup. That means that genetic engineering could help shrink the big burpers’ carbon hoofprint. CRISPR has already been used to tweak other traits in cows, so methane emission could be a next step.
I was expecting a deeper analysis of the topic, in the true Bloomberg style, but guess I didn't pay attention to the length of this clip. This was a disappointing take, combined with the host trying to be funny.
It’s simple. TOO EXPENSIVE
lots of profit in that fake meat.
Well actually the world's cheapest foods are plant based, beans, rice, pasta, vegetables etc.
Sure some of the plant based meat brands are expensive but that's because there's not enough of it to have competitive prices.
Plus people say that a plant based diet is expensive but then all they say is they eat grass (didn't know grass was so expensive) yet they wouldn't mind paying out their arse for a lobster dinner 😅 the hypocrisy and double standards are ridiculous
Its healthier to eat meat than this processed stuff anyway. Its almost always reduced to sell at my local supermarket because no one wants to buy it.
A product needs to be better faster and cheaper than its competition. It doesn't taste that much better than meat, the price is almost double, and its not that well distributed. They need to fix these problems
It tastes objectively awful...
It didn’t take a Deloitte study to know that many people don’t think ultra-processed plant mush is healthier than meat.
Seriously, they should just ask how fornello123 feels about everything.
Most people are ignorant. Rotting carcass tissue sitting in your colon, super healthy!
@@spacetoast7783dude he won't date you. Go away
Meat- natural
Artificial meat- natural plants that are bombarded with chemicals in order to taste, look and feel like meat.
Also, many people can't process plant based protein.
It didn't flop. I still buy some plant-based "meat" but would almost exclusively do it if it were cheaper than real meat.
Like everything the more we make it the cheaper it would get
Its bad for you made of chemical toxic sludge
Or like in thr same price range.
@@lemdixon01 Eh... Not much different than pus-filled meat has been in contact with fecal matter
@@SigFigNewton it's not necessarily better for the environment. The pastures in New Zeland for example can't grow any crops but they can put sheep and cows on there.
Real food is grown. Never manufactured. End of story.
Lol I hope you never eat bread or ground beef.
@@spacetoast7783 bread is actually really bad for you. I'd hardly call beef processed once it's chopped up a bit. I guess a boiled carrot is processed food if you want to go down that road
Eat Whole Foods! Not seed oil laden patties from a factory
are you aware of how much contamation, faeces etc are in everyday meats? Not to mention additives that are put in for shelf life. What matters is *how* food is processed, not that it *is* processed@@baz3184
Part of the price issue is exacerbated because regular meat benefits from government feed, water, & farmland subsidies.
Remove all the artificial subsidies & the prices may be more comparable.
I really didn't mind the beyond meat patties but ya it came down to price I guess 2 patties for like 8$ CDN was kinda crazy. I havnt seen the prices lately but if they come down I would buy. Also it might be a culture/attitude thing - older friends and family I know don't even wanna try it like there scared of something exotic and new. Stubborn old fools
Simple a price issue. Like buying fake gold at double the price of the real deal
I'm quite sure it's a price issue.
You're not going to replace fancy t-bone steaks that people eat once a month, or a rare weekly treat such as a few rashers of crispy bacon. The real target to pursue is replacing the bulk of ordinary people's animal protein consumption, like pork, and also things that aren't red meat, such as chicken, fish and eggs. And here, cost is a huge parameter.
So, the answer is: "They forgot to make their product cheap; instead, they assumed they could guilt poor people, those of the underclass, working class and lower middle class, into buying expensive products."
Do you have any facts to support your assertion that [anyone] expected poor people to buy anything one way or another, due to guilt or any other emotion? Your theory sounds like more of a fantasy than anything based in reality.
Side note: with effective carbon taxes to account for negative externalities of CO2 emissions the plant-based substitutes would be cheaper.
It's starting to get better, some meat alternatives are actually cheaper than the the products they're mimicking here in Germany
Actually, these things are not healthy. Tons of oils and fake flavorings.
I mean, the answer is price, but your assumption of their assumption is silly. It's only in the past 5 years that we've gotten to notmeats that taste like meats, and it wasn't for lack of trying. Development had costs, and production has costs, and the economies of scale haven't kicked in strongly, all of which inherently makes for a more expensive product. And I've seen zero guilt based advertising; it's all "did you want something that tasted like meat but wasn't? It's finally arrived!"
Chicken is way less environmentally damaging to red meat. Getting people to forgo beef in favour of chicken and pork would be a definite win. The big issue is that the real costs of producing beef often aren't priced into the prices people pay. The GHG emissions and deforestation isn't paid by the consumer of the beef but by everyone. Beef should be more expensive.
The long-term solution, and one in which I wish we could just get to now, is pricing meat, veg and grains at what is actually appropriate to their true cost of production. They pay a GHG emissions tax which funds competitive contracts for GHG sequestration or some other counter.
Plant-based "meat" has its place but imo is kind of a weird temporary blip to tide over our current cultural way of centring meals around meat. Remember for most of civilisation, most of our sustenance would have come from grains like wheat, rice and barley. If I'm having a vegetarian dinner, I'd sooner reach for a lentil curry, meat-less stir-fry or some pasta with pesto than some meat replacement.
Except it didn't.
It's just expensive. And yeah, the ingredients could be better. That's why I only get some plant based meat when I can actually afford it, most plant based meat products cost around 4 euro at least for 250 to 300 gramme. That's just too expensive in comparison to actual meat.
The "cow burp" argument misses the fact that before humans cam eon the scene, large herbivores were EVERYWHERE. Herbivore methane production before humans was significantly higher than they are now.
Reducing methane emissions form herbivores is a diversion from the real problem: human emissions.
It is easier to blame cows than blame ourselves.
So you're saying that I'm not saving the Earf by driving 15 minutes to buy a plant sandwich?
@@PutkisenSetä just consider all those carbon emissions you produce posting your plant based lifestyle on instagram. Instagram servers use a lot of energy.
Maybe we should eradicate all mammals to save the environment
Many people are allergic to soy. Apart from pricing, such allergies make plant based food not a practical solution for millions.
Skill issue
You're acting as if soy is in all plant-based foods.....
I live in Southeast Asia in the Philippines in the Metropolitan Manila area. Several restaurants and companies also offered the plant meat substitute. I did try many taste like the real thing and I would not mind. However the biggest obstacles is price. The cost of these plant meats are several times more expensive than real meat. So with inflation going high and cost of other subsidies and with electric prices being high. Most will go to the cheaper real meat bo matter what. Unless these companies make it more affordable it is not going to work.
It's not just the price, it's probably also the marketing, they should be targeting people who are looking for alternatives SPECIFICALLY, who may like the taste of meat but may not be comfortable eating meat. DO NOT try to market it as a healthier alternative when it's ultra processed nature raises doubts about that claim. Target that niche first and DEFINITELY don't be condescending towards meat lovers,Protein is extremely important thing to have in our diet.
It’s been proven in multiple studies that it is healthier and full of protein.
Tastes worse and it's more expensive. Fix both problems and it will sell huge.
Wait for insect based meat...
It's all about food profits NOT people's health.
and fraudulent climate "science"
We have evolved over thousands of years to eat high energy dense high nutritional meat for our large brains.
Tried it and started to get digestive issues after a few weeks because I couldn't break it down.
Processed food even if its plant based is still bad for the body. The best thing that worked for me when I tried vegan diet was a cup of white rice with 1 package of tempeh (fermented tofu)/2 natto packages (fermented soy beans)
An important lesson I learned is that non-processed food dont give digestion problems. I dont think big business like that lol
Plant based is worse for the environment. In new zeland you cant grow anything else as its pasture for cattle
I wanna try NZ beef!
@@Rol0123 meaning what ?
It tastes terrible! I am a vegetarian and used to be able to get a nice blackbean burger or other decent veggie burger here or there. This awful stuff that is trying, and failing, to taste like meat, is replacing my hard to find veggie burgers.
People who like meat want meat. People who don't like meat, don't want fake meat either. I can't figure out who this stuff is supposed to be appealing to.
they will tax meat like crazy (or high carbon score) and force their ersatz trash on us.
Plant based Too expensive! costs more than meat.
its more expensive than meat. it tastes different but far away from better. so why should i pay more for something that is not better?
The list of ingredients on plant based “meat” is off-putting.
What are the ingredients of meat?
@@spacetoast7783 meat from an animal
15% less condescension and you're gold 👍
How do you want it to be tailored down to your level then?
It's an uncomfortable truth but the truth all the same.
@@KC-pz4md ironic how the video ignores the fact that plant based meat is so processed that it affects the body (not to mention the amount of chemicals that plant based meats have that affect the human body even more than normal meat) the reason why there’s a push is because corporations find it less expensive to make process seed oil based meat than just regular meat
@@zello4075 that's an anecdote backed up with no real data or evidence, everything is processed and has chemicals in it to a degree unless you're consuming a whole food raw diet.
Plant-based meats contain way too much oil and salt.
You're worried about oil and salt. But the animals they use are all injected with vaccines to prevent diseases. 😂😂😂
Chicken is a very high sodium food. The carcasses are usually injected with brine to increase the weight. Chicken without that added salt would taste bland. Also modern chicken strains and farming practice produce meat that is much fattier than what people ate 100 years ago.
Plant meat is failing because the current products are disgusting, some are actually inedible, and they feature ingredients that make them more unhealthy to eat than meat.
Did Bloomberg really just waste money on having Kal Penn try to be snarky?
What ingredients make them more unhealthy than meat? You can’t answer, because you are lying. Whatever beef industry advertising group hired you to spam CZcams forums should get a refund, your argument is so lame and your bias so obvious.
Unhealthy? What I heard was they added lots of seasoning and salt to hide how it tastes nothing like meat.
@@samsonsoturian6013 some are full of toxic chemicals to make it taste like meat
Plant base meat is process slop. I like the real thing. Plant base meat has fillers, that are hard to pronounce.
Not sure what you're referring to, but if you think "real" meat products don't contain them, well.. there were fillers long before plant based meat, so..
Well I guess if it's hard to pronounce, then it must be evil.
@@spacetoast7783 Plant-based meat alternatives often contain more sodium than animal meats-in some examples up to six times more-and some of them contain added sugars, artificial coloring, and controversial additives like carrageenan and methylcellulose, which are bulking agents.
5 Chemicals Lurking in Plant-Based Meats
Tertiary butylhydroquinone. ...
Magnesium carbonate. ...
Erythosine (Red #3). ...
Propylene glycol. ...
Ferric orthophosphate
Thanks but I will pass 😉
@@kennethh4904 Why are you telling me this? It has nothing to do with your last comment.
Meat is cheaper and tastier. That's it. End of discussion. Bring a cheaper and tastier meat substitute. Than I'll be happy to buy one.
I don't understand the obsession with imitating meat when there are already tons of meals based on mushrooms, legumes, and vegetables.
People crave meat
you need protein in the diet daily, mushrooms are much more expensive than chicken in grams of protein per dollar.
everything is really.
and you will need some supplements regardless, even if you replace protein you still need those essential amino-acids humans evolved to only get from animal products consumption.
@@alexmikhylov can you name essential amino acids we get only from animal products?
@@premg062 okay after I googled a bit that was an incorrect statement, but there still are a few nutrients not readily available in plant based diet, but they aren't amino acids, like vitamin b12. no, I'm not an actual nutritionist.
and you still have to look for actual content for every nutrient, even if many of them are found in both plants and meat, it doesn't necessarily mean that it's an easy substitution, because for a lot of nutrients the content in plants is very much lower.
anyhow, a different point that I made in another comment is that if everybody ditched meat a healthy plant based diet would likely become unsustainably expensive too.
I'm quite convinced that current vegans do just fine only because the demand for purely plant based diet is low.
animal farming is not unsustainable in itself, excessive animal farming is.
ditching meat altogether would not be sustainable as well, many "complete protein" plants are very water intensive to grow for example.
Because people don’t want to eat a bowl full of legumes 3-5 times a day.
It's not either/or. If it gets to be cheaper than factory meat, then we can talk. But also the way we've weaponized culture against what people should and shouldn't eat is highly problematic. I wouldn't be surprised if we see data that eventually atrributed the effects of climate change to how much we fetishize the eating of meat (and I enjoy a cheeseburger as much as anyone here).
Meat is for the rich. Get back in line, peasant.
Not to mention they are full of oils, specifically canola oil. The way to go is grass fed, pasture raised local beef. If you’re vegan try making your own veggie burgers at home. Skip the seed oils!
Deep fried oreos are actually vegan, just putting that out there...
They also alleviate the overpopulation and retirement system problems. Progress!
Imagine paying double to eat a tasteless soy looking burger, then spend the afternoon in the toilet.
I got news for you then - soy intolerance
Cost of living increase, leading to consumers being more price sensitive.
we haven't been brought up or socialised to see meat as a critical part of our diet. It's been a critical part of our diet for millions of years. That's hugely important. People are making money off meat products and off non-meat products. If you want to look at what's having an impact on the environment, look at food waste. It's absolutely huge. But that is a bigger social change as it would probably mean less restaurants (huge amounts of food wasted) and unlimited supermarkets. At the end of the day, if we all just eat what we need for our bodies, there would be no hunger and climate problems. so many products are created, be it food or not, and then end up in landfill, resulting in 100% wasted resources.
100%
It's oil, coal, and natural gas not the biosystem.
Kal, very nice segment. If you wanted to go a little deeper, I would be interested in seeing the math behind the global warming emissions associated with livestock. Feeling very skeptical.
I drove by a hillside covered with sheep who had beautifully mowed a field in advance of fire season. What alternative is modeled that avoids all the emissions that produces? Leaving the grass stand? Mow it with a scythe?
Carbon, in particular, has a cycle. Plant growth captures it but, after the plant dies, releases it. The body of the plant is decomposed in one of several ways but *it* *does* *not* *stay* *captured* . If no animals eat the grass in a given field for a century, you do not see coal deposits building up in the field. (We are no longer in the carboniferous period.) That carbon was consumed by fungi or animals and released.
To raise livestock, one needs to get enough plants to feed them. This involved fostering carbon capture, which the cows then consume. Only looking at part of the cycle is disingenuous.
If you compare that to air travel, there is no cycle. Fossil fuels are extracted and burned. It's a one-way street.
Because its filth.
Give me a steak.
If anybody knows burgers it’s this guy
They put too much salt in their food to compensate for taste
Because it's a marketing gimmick, not a dietary solution
Beans, lentils and other natural protein solutions, still feels like a more healthy alternative to meat than a product made in a lab and then marketed to consumers as the eighth wonder of the world.
I think its obvious why it went up by 50%, people wanted to try it for the first time. Economically it still has ways to go as it requires a ton of expensive science to develop. And with all the automation being implemented in the near future there is no reason this cant work.
Plant-based meat is often filled with inflammatory seed oils, which are terrible for you.
I don't feel like this video really answered the question
We actually need more leather and woollen clothing. The microplastics in modern clothing are devastating our planet and our bodies
Does that 14.5% total emissions include all the methane leaked from Nord Stream 2 pipeline???
i tried it , but don't see the need for it .As a plant based lifestyle it has too many things i DON'T need. I enjoy eating a natural food diet of whole food plant based variety of great food. WITHOUT a processed meat product... the product is just unnecessary
Because it's toxic garbage?
Define "toxic".
Everything I don't like is toxic!
@@spacetoast7783 Exactly.
Absolutely, the price is the issue. People do not want to be scammed to pay 10$ more for something that would actually be justifiable to be sold for 2$ regarding the different costs in production, facility etc.
Because it isnt meat but they try to charge the same price as meat. It's an obvious ripoff.
Why doesn't your math add up? 360M tonnes and 70B animals is 5KG meat from each animal.
Producing plant-based meat is more expensive than the actual meat that they are trying to replace, especially in countries that don't have expertise and technologies to produce it in an economical manner. The production will always be higher if the quantity is produced lower. And, this is the main reason why alternative foods always almost flop in many countries with citizens who can't afford it.
Yeah because cutting more of the rainforest to make space for cattle to graze makes more sense.......
Are you sure about that?
Biggest reason is cost. Meat would price itself out of the Market without being tax subsidized. Everyone needs to know this. Everything else is basically piffle.
Literally, if the alternative meat options' prices drop lower than real meat, I'd go for the cheaper option
just too expensive for fake meat
NO, WE SHOULD ACTUALLY EAT MORE MEAT, REAL MEAT HAS ALL THE NUTRIENTS, VITAMINS, AND MINERALS OUR HUMAN BODIES NEED TO SURVIVE!
It's far too expensive compared to meat, at least in Australia it is. Most middle class people here are struggling with price rises in food, so if they make vegetarian meals they'd make legume based meals instead.
Pointless hate and high prices as usual as to why we have such a high obesity rate
Bc it sucks tastes horrible. Imo trying to copy real meats was dumb they should have come out with their own thing
In north korea they don't eat much meat and some eat grass, they are plant based
Very responsible 👍
@@baz3184 the UN agenda 2030 goal is to make the whole planet into a technocratic dictatorship with part of that meat only being for the rich like in feudal times. Humans need high energy dense food for our big brains and with our short digestion system we can't get nutrients from plants. So it's a way to waeken and control the plebs.
Wow not sure one thing presented was true. Keep up the great work
It didn't flop at all, in Germany one of the most popular meat producers sold more meat alternatives in 2022 than real meat
Because Germany is a rich country and people can afford it, the rest of the world is not Germany. It will always flop in countries who can't afford it.
@@momo.ru-kun the country is rich but people aren't. Some alternative products, especially bread toppings (like salami, ham), are actually cheaper than the meat products. And that's despite the fact that they're being taxed 12% more than actual meat products (19% instead of 7%). So vegan alternatives can actually be cheaper and it makes perfect sense because they require a lot less ressources overall for the same amount of nutrients
Same in USA but it is quickly going away in the United States. It’s not healthy. It’s actually really bad for you.
@@TruCunt Who says that? Most experts I've read from say that it's a very healthy alternative to fatty meat products
@@nxt_tim It's highly processed and loaded with sodium. It contains far, far more carbohydrates. The protein in plant-based alternatives is also of lower quality. Moreover, in the U.S. at least, people buy meat that is pretty lean. Fatty meat just isn't a large part of the diet.
Elsewhere on CZcams, you can hear about how the Beyond Meat company rushed to be first to market with a large product line. That strategy ultimately hurt the company a bit. A Beyond burger has more of a taste to it that I like, but I could see some not liking. Impossible could have broader appeal. I buy both, but mostly when they're on sale.
Sick trainers. Does anyone know what Kal is wearing?
For a moment l thought transportation had less emissions that agriculture but yet it's almost 2x more pollutant than agriculture
Vegan brain, carnivore heart. Western veganism 101
have you ever tasted meet based carrot?
The thing is we literally dont need to substitute meat with plant-based meat to save emission because there are already successful prototype of artificial meats which are atomically the same as the real meat so it literally tastes the same but made in lab with very little impact to the environment. So plant-based meat didnt fail it just going to be a niche product for vegetarian and nothing wrong with that.
try comparing costs
And what's the price per kilogram of this "atomically similar" meat?
Are you saying that the sale of “artificial meats” (your words) have taken off so much that those sales explain why plant-based meat substitutes aren’t selling better?
Why would I seek plant-based "meat" products if I went vegetarian because I dislike meat?
Ethics and taste are two different things.
I don’t understand why people who want a plant based diet for health reasons then decide to eat processed plant based ‘food’.
Rich investors making videos to try to recover money from risky ventures. Using a devaluated artist is a bad idea, at least hire Morgan Freeman.
Yooooo this guy was in House MD. RIP to the homie
I did a 30 day vegan challenge. Plant based did not taste like real meat. It is a fad and cannot replace real meat.
You need to talk to Ken D Berry MD
Because it's overpriced, oversalted, refried beans.
Simple, it isn't healthy!
Hmm, i dont think the video answers the question...
Plant based meat has no shot at taking off if they keep naming them after existing meat/ products. I get it, but they should instead focus their marketing on creating a new category entirely. The real problem is bad marketing that leaves consumers confused.
The ads are like, ‘Hey, this is meat x, but it’s really not meat x. We can’t decide 🤷♂️…you decide!’.
This issue will not be properly addressed until the problem becomes to great. The near future will be simple which is what the consumer "wants". Lab grown animal cell meat or plant based "meat"
It's a question of taste for me. None of these plant based products satisfies me. Lab-grown meat sounds like a much more interesting option to me.
It didn’t flop
It's not tesla'ing, selling so fast that Elon Musk literally can't manufacture enough cars to meet the demand.
Lol. Oh yes it did.
Kumar used to love White Castle
"Plant-Based Meat". LOL
Kinda like men who masquerade as women who call themselves women.
It is popular
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I've literally never heard of anyone who even tried it. I saw a few packages of it sitting in the freezer at Walmart though
THE PRODUCTION SHOULD BE IN HIGH PACE WITH LOW COST THEN IT CAN PREVAIL IN THE MARKET.
That's a chicken and egg problem.
I am vegan for arround 5 years and it was the best decision I have ever made in my entire life.
My girlfriend is a vegan and she loves my home made plant based burgers. (It's beef😂) honestly she looks allot healthier with a little bit of meat in her diet. I haven't the heart to tell her
@@baz3184 I think you're joking but that's actually a crime if true.
This is what happens when idiots try to reinvent the farm.
The original is always the best.
I'M NEVER going to stop eating meat-According to a report by the Information Technology and Innovation Foundation (ITIF), gene editing could significantly reduce methane emissions from cows’ belches and farts which contribute to the climate crisis1. Veterinary researchers at the University of Adelaide have shown that how much methane a cow produces depends on that cow’s genetic makeup. That means that genetic engineering could help shrink the big burpers’ carbon hoofprint. CRISPR has already been used to tweak other traits in cows, so methane emission could be a next step.
But is a genetically modified cow really safe? How do we know it doesn’t have far reaching consequences to our own bodies?
@@knight1506 they are already modified
You can reduce methane emissions significantly by stop feeding them grains. Grass fed cows produce very few emissions compared to grain fed cows.
I was expecting a deeper analysis of the topic, in the true Bloomberg style, but guess I didn't pay attention to the length of this clip. This was a disappointing take, combined with the host trying to be funny.
plant "meats" btfo
you will never be real meat
Presented by GM huh
It has not floppled. Major fast-food chains are offering it and the market is growing -all over the world in fact.
lol
He just said in the video that sales have dropped drastically.
I'm waiting for real lab grown meat. Until then it's yummy cow and chicken for me
The script was written by vegans
Your comment was written by a leftist. What's your point?
I prefer eating organic 100% grass fed/ grass finished beef. The way we should be eating beef.
Jeez....first my car, then my gas stove...now my dinner? What's next?
Maybe you should get a job instead of crying about capitalism.