UA Starlight Vs Classics & Our Delay Pedal Faves - That Pedal Show
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- čas přidán 24. 07. 2024
- Universal Audio has made a stellar new delay, but does it stand up to the classics?
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Welcome to the show! The veritable recording legend that is Universal Audio has raised its gaze from the mixing desk and put its considerable know-how into an all-new range of guitar effects pedals.
The Starlight Echo Station is the first in our sights, so in this video we compare it to a real tape echo (albeit not the actual one it is modelled on) and an original Electro Harmonix Deluxe Memory Man to see what’s what. For good measure we add a couple of perennial modern faves for interest.
Please note: Yes, we know the Fulltone Tube Tape Echo is not an EP-3. But it’s the closest thing we have. As we mention many times in the video.
Enjoy the show!
Gear in this episode…
• TheGigRig Three 2 One
www.thegigrig.com/three2one
• Sonic Research ST-300 Turbo Tuner
Australia: bit.ly/2mR1s8c
• J Rockett APE
UK & Europe: bit.ly/34gfUx1
USA: imp.i114863.net/b3kaYv
Australia: bit.ly/2yyfIxb
• Keeley D&M Drive
UK & Europe: bit.ly/2oTblU1
Australia: bit.ly/2pUDUAE
USA: bit.ly/3xoLI18
• Fulltone Custom Shop Tube Tape Echo
USA: imp.i114863.net/vnDNYv
• Electro-Harmonix Deluxe Memory Man
No longer made
• Catalinbread Belle Epoch Deluxe
UK & Europe: bit.ly/2mORqUL
Australia: bit.ly/2BWjXTM
USA: bit.ly/2ZvVCSk
• Empress Echo System
UK & Europe: bit.ly/2x5i4z4
Australia: bit.ly/2x0K9K7
• Universal Audio Starlight Echo Station
UK & Europe: bit.ly/3wstbQ3
Australia: bit.ly/3u8AKtm
USA: bit.ly/3oWpdNa
• TheGigRig G3
www.thegigrig.com/g3
Amps
• Two-Rock Classic Reverb Signature & 112 cab with WGS12L speaker
• Tone King Imperial MkII
USA: Combo: imp.i114863.net/qnzaQ5
USA: Head: imp.i114863.net/jWe9xe
Guitars
• 1965 Fender Telecaster - no specific video yet
• 2001 Fender American Vintage ’62 Stratocaster - Mick’s video here: • Strats, Pickups & Rabb...
• Gibson Custom True Historic 1957 Les Paul Custom Murphy Aged
• 2016 Epiphone Casino (Lollar P90 pickups) - Mick’s video - • Epiphone Casino Pickup...
• Fender Classic Series ’60s Jazzmaster Lacquer
Interesting bits and go-to sections
0:00 Intro playing
2:28 What are we doing today?
4:30 Four delay machines modelled
5:45 Dan’s Neil Finn Memory Man
9:27 Starlight three tape modes
11:00 UA app & analog dry through
12:03 Starlight & Fulltone comparison
15:17 Bypassed tone change?
16:55 J Rockett APE & Starlight
19:00 Tape echo sounds & Les Paul
27:02 Belle Epoch Deluxe & Starlight
34:00 …and tape echo
35:00 Deluxe Memory Man sounds
40:14 Starlight & Memory Man sounds
44:00 …with drive & self oscillation
50:35 Empress EchoSystem
55:19 Talk about Starlight Stereo
58:10 Starlight stereo sounds
1:02:03 Dan Jazzmaster Schwang!
1:06:30 Closing thoughts & roundup
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I love delay pedals so much. I could watch a show about delays for days, days, days, days, days....
Hahahahaha!!!!
👍🏻 nice work
Or for Days, D-Days, D-Days, D-Days if you’re a dotted 8th kinda guy
Days, ays, ys, s. That's tape in collaboration with digital.
Days Days (stereo panning)
If I were playing that intro jam I would have never stopped.
Mick actually had to slap him to get him to stop playing and make the episode but they cut that bit out. That's why Dans cheek is a bit rosey.
some great guitar love making sounds in this one!
The thing that always amazes me about real tape delays is that they work. I love that someone got the idea, tried it and it worked.
Cooler still is that it was Les Paul who first did that (if my memory serves me correctly)
@@andreweasombentley4703 I do believe you are correct. Les Paul himself.
@@andreweasombentley4703
Yes. Les and his magic boxes. He invented so much that made recorded music even possible, as an art form.
Any time TPS does a show on delay, I’m hooked. Also, I love that Dan’s playing is so unpredictable! Most guitarists have that wheelhouse of chords/riffs that you default too when jamming around. With Dan, it’s something completely different every time, he totally lets the sounds take control of what he plays, it is a beautiful thing to behold!!!
Ah, thanks so much Jason 🤓🙏
@@ThatPedalShow no sir, thank you guys!!!🤘🏼
@@ThatPedalShow this is why I miss the pick n mixes so much. Dan's playing is simply much more representative of something I might want to hear or play than any of the gear demo pages out there.
@@ThatPedalShow hi guys. is this Memory Man an early 2000s? so many versions... cheers. Fed
Man, do i wish i could afford a fulltone tube tape echo. Huge respect to fulltone for keeping that tech alive
Oh just stop it will you - more pedals I need!!! Fabulous sound on that intro Daniel. That's among my favourite ways to play, and those harmonics at the end of it. Sweet. Mega. Awesome. Love it. Happy Friday!
That little “The Tourist”-y bit around 27:40 or so made me smile
I love pedal comparisons!!! You guys are Legends!
What a great chill way to start my day. Cheers!
Thanks for giving us even more reasons to own multiple delay pedals, chaps 😁👍
One of my favorite radiohead songs! Great to hear you guys playing something like that, even though I love your regular riffage.
Great show! Awesome tones as always :)
Oh I’m loving a bit of The Tourist, my favourite track from OK Computer, thanks Dan 👍
I love your show, guys. Thanks for bringing so much information to people. I even listen to the channel when I drive across Europe with my phone on the seat, NOT watching it, I must add!
Good lord-I look forward to the intro playing in every single TPS video with all my heart!
THAT INTRO JAM!!! Wow Dan, you never cease to amaze me! Big love boys, thank you for yet another great episode!
Great as always, guys. Loved the stereo. And Dan, your intro was quite epic. Love from the Carolinas!
Cheers Scott 🤓👍
Very nice show again. I never get tired of delay effects.
Best regards from Denmark
Just hit play, and my word that tone and playing in the intro! Beautiful!
The Tape Echo is spellbinding. I want that one and I want it now, pretty please. Astounding sounds.
Outstanding opening Dan! 👏👏👏
Fantastic sounds from both of you gents today
Been looking forward to this all week
The second you put that into stereo... WOW! That was some goodness, with everything you all put into it.
Yeah, it really shines in stereo
I must have been dozing on and off through that whole video nearly, it was so peaceful :)
That so happens to me on most of their delay vids! It's just relaxing for the soul
@@rawknbearbell7032 🙏😴😁 Your right, it is.
Great sounds today boys! I have the Empress which does have easy access to presets with the foot switches on the top as well as sounding awesome. I use 5 or 6 settings for my function band to cover the songs we do.
I was enjoying this show a lot, and then the Jazzmaster came out and I saw the angels coming down from the heavens. Some things are meant to be together, that specific guitar with that specific delay with that specific amp = magic!
Cork sniffing at its finest! Great show gents. Loved every minute of it.
Hahahah! We luv dem corkages!
I feel like I’ve been slacking missing the last couple weeks but your definitely helping me through some serious crap so tone one brothas!!
Yes Dan, that intro was magical 👍
Anorher excellent start of the weekend! 👍👍👍
The Epi with Starlight in stereo was EPIC! Couple of pints in, chills man! Maybe douche chills but chills just the same! :)
As a purveyor of the Chapel of Powerchords I don't have much time for delay, but after 10 minutes of Dan I'm hooked.
Those were some magical sounds. Your delay episodes never disappoint! Mick, your Casino is just sounding glorious. Your journey with it inspired me to order an Epiphone Emily Wolfe Sheraton Stealth. Even if it's not a real 335 it seemed like a very good starting point for possible upgrades. Cheers guys!
You guys always inspire me to pick up the guitar Thank you soo much ❤️
Yes! Nice one!
The list of pedals I want to try is so long. I love your show!
Dan's ambient jazzmaster playing was sensational
EPIC! After the Lego tape delay show you guys made, it has become clear that what makes a delay musical for me is the compander. The "almost reverb" like drag that the analog man has is exactly that. And that is what most digital emulations miss to do well. My love for the memory man continues to grow. Please, please please compare that specific analog man with more recent ones and even the memory boy and good digital solutions that are available.
“It is a big chunka thing to pull out”....😂😂😂 Mick repeating it and dropping the laugh in passing is exactly why I LOVE YOU TWO!!! Great show and the outcome of this show is that delay rules.
I have the Golden Reverb and Astra Modulation pedal and love them for sound and simplicity and I think I may pull the trigger on the Starlight as well.
Wow ... UA Starlight makes some really wonderful sounds; but for me the echosystem is still my pedal board go to because of MIDI control. That said I would definitely use it in a studio setting. As always another great show, thanks for sharing Messieurs!
TPS always makes me smile, but the Neil Finn (and family) story about the Memory Man melted my heart :)
Great comparison! One little thing though: Mode 2 on the Belle Epoch Deluxe is a “Dark analog voicing, inspired by classic BBD delays” (from the manual), so it makes sense why it sounds that much darker than the starlight ;) Keep going guys, love your show!!
There's a lot to love with these UA pedals, and I would get the modulation pedal in a heartbeat ... if it has presets and midi. On the Delay side of things, I'm love my Strymon Volante, which I think its a great example of how a pedal can be super intuitive to use, provide midi switching unobtrusively (and, of course, sound amazing). I'm interested (and excited) to see where UA go next with their pedals.
I really love seeing Mick enjoy the casino. Just brings a smile to my heart
A limited feature set on a pedal is a selling point for me.
Felt tip pen on the knobs of the belle epoch deluxe is a stroke of genius, bravo sir's
Dripping in dela y!!! the Starlight sound fidelity and effects variations are extremely good same can be said for the Golden & Astra very impressive UA debut. I'm not particularly disturbed by the lack of M One D One 🙂 ... though I understand that others are
Another tonetastic tonetasting! Cheers friends.
I've owned a pile of EHX DMMs, still own two, been through so very many delays, and the Walrus ARP-87 wins the delay/echo spot on my board. It doesn't mess with the dry signal, no input impedance weirdness, tone control for repeats, tap tempo for anyone who cares (not me), and most importantly, magical musical washy 3D tape-like repeats. There are things I'd love to change about it: it doesn't have 100% wet as an option as well as no self-oscillation, and for a digital delay it should have no noise whatsoever but adds audible pink noise wether bypassed or not. That said, I still can't beat it, and boy have I tried.
loved the playing so much it sent me to sleep haha. Good on you guys!!
Awesome show guys- this is one I've been hoping for ever since I saw the Golden on your board a few weeks back. You guys do a great job of not just saying "it's great" but fairly putting the pedal up against real tape and esp. the DMM. I own a DMM, and have been gigging it for over a decade. I also have a lot of digital delay modeling pedals- including the Strymon and a few TCs and Catalinbreads. Some of these are great, and offer cool controls (volante) but non yet capture the feel of an actual analog device (I'd say Catalinbreads are closest as they do have preamps) - which you guys are very honest about- you gotta have those preamps. It will be very interesting to see what UAD does with preamp models and if that factor pushes these to that extra bit of magic. Now- what I'm really interested in is the UAD golden. I've decided to buy a "new" "modern" reverb pedal, and there are now a slew of choices offering "hi fidelity" modern verb - I've narrowed this down to the Golden, the Meris Mercury 7, or the Walrus R1. One thing I don't fully understand is if these newer "hi fi" verbs are actually higher fidelity than say slightly older pedals- like is the R1 actually higher bit depth/ sample rate than their older pedals like the fathom- or is this just marketing? LOVE to see you guys do a modern, hi fi reverb shootout. Thanks!
That intro was fantastic, Dan!!!!!
the starlight is incredible...i love this thing
You guys should bring out the jazzmaster more often, it sounds epic.
To that intro jam; “we’re not worthy, we’re not worthy!!”
🤓🙏
What the... that intro, MAN ALIVE!!! Legends. 🖤🤘🏻
🤓🙏
I've never been a Les Paul sort of person, but every time Mick plays one I find myself window shopping
So glad you guys featured the deluxe memory man! It’s my desert island never sell pedal - it’s just magic. It can do so much and bizarrely sounds quite tape-y..!
Mick you gotta spend some time with it - does a great slapback as well! No presets required - just use your foot!
Niiiice!
The glasses flick at 13:00 had me absolutely dying lmao
He is a professional, do not attempt that stunt!
It gets me every time, often seen during VCQ and it’s brilliant!
If I tried that with my constantly sweaty and greasy forehead, I'd end up not seeing shit.
That was *_S M O O V E_*
Loving the content as usual, having spent lockdown paring down my board to the ultimate fly rig ( D&M, Keeley Caverns, Harmonious Monk and a tuner- realistically all I need for rehearsals and most gigs....) but I’m feeling the need to have a similarly high quality bigger board & don’t want to go back to my previous mess , so by way of a thank you, I’ve decided to treat myself & pulled the trigger on a Qm6, Gigrig power and some high end cables, can’t wait to hear it all👍🇬🇧🎸
Awesome, nice one John! Dan will be very grateful! Enjoy that rig!
Dan that intro was amazing!
I see the Starlight more as a pedal that you would use in a studio environment, where the template is so neutral and crystal clear, it allows you to shape it the way you would want post production, In terms of EQ and in terms of gain structure.
Wow! That intro was great!
Waiting for the day I can utter the words “there’s blooming Les Pauls everywhere!”
🤣
Such Rockstars!
Nothing beats a great analog delay and DMM truly is a wonder.
Lately the colors of your videos are super sharp! Awesome!
Thanks! That’s what full frame and insanely expensive cameras brings. Hahaha. Doh. Why do we do this!?
@@ThatPedalShow because buying golf clubs isn’t as appealing!
You are so right!
Killer intro Dan!
that casino sounds glorious... must purchase one in the near future :):)
Stereo is a must have, for me. I've run a stereo rig since 1990. My first amp was a stereo amp, and I've never felt the need to play in mono except for simple jam session type of stuff.
Rock Santa is really in the zone here. Very nice Dan (and Mick as always). Cheers lads.
I just bought this pedal this week it’s great
I am very much in agreement with Mick at the end of the video. I have owned and sold a few pedals purely because they felt like a constant rabbit hole. I need simplicity in my pedals or I will lose interest. It took me nearly a year to bother setting presets on my Wampler Terraform. Maybe I'm just lazy. Lol! Glorious sounds, gents! Much appreciated as always!
I just looked up the terraform … oh God, no!! 😬
Excited to watch this one! I actually moved the Starlight on after comparing it to the MXR Echoplex and the ARDX20 I already had on my board! I used some of the funds to get the Amaze1 for the ARDX20 and have not regretted it at all. I think Mick's oft-repeated add-age about the simpler the pedal, the more creative it allows you to be, holds true here. Not that the Starlight is complicated, really! It's just complicated *enough* to get me out of playing, and messing with knobs and different modulation settings and blah blah blah. I did add the Chase Tone Secret Pre to the end of my board when I swapped the Belle Epoch Deluxe out for the MXR, so I'm getting the EP preamp with another pedal. That should be noted! The MXR really is a fantastic tape delay pedal, though, and I think so much of that has to do with ease of use! It just is pretty much impossible to make it sound bad with the controls made available to the user. I have left it on the same setting for over a year, lol!
Nice one Ricky. Mick here. ARDX20 man. It’s just spectacularly good!
@@ThatPedalShow It's just so good, it's dumb. I resisted buying it for a few years because of having to wait, and having the DM-2w that I also love, but it is just so damn good it is entirely in it's own league. The slap on it!!!!!! Holy shit!!!!!
The preamp of the Starlight will be added with the upcoming app, to my understanding. So it'll be interesting to see that change.
Nice comparison fellas. Made me want to buy a memory man.
Ok settling in. This I've been wanting to see...
A Neil Finn decorated Memory Man, seriously amazing Dan!
My Howard Davis modded vintage DMM will forever be my favorite delay.
I have a Howard Davis mod 1978 Electric Mistress and it’s wow
@@anthonyburke223 Ooo that sounds like it must be wonderful.
Love my Starlight, despite its steep price, I can't recommend it enough!
very interesting this starlight, thanks guys
I’m about to get the Starlight, but let’s be honest: the Belle Epoch Deluxe is in another league on the EP3 setting. And it’s not just a matter of EQ I think, it’s the voicing, the musicality, the vibe. At least hearing it from here. Did you guys feel this way in the room?
That « Tourist » bit on it was simply glorious!
Also glorious, Mick with a Les Paul!
Cheers and thanks for the in-depth comparison guys
Hello. Yep, BED every day of the week for me Flaneur. It’s very very good!
@@ThatPedalShow thanks for the confirmation Mick. Love the hifi and versatility (EM3/DMM/Digital) aspects of the Starlight, but really, the BED seems to belong to the category of magic boxes that bring this « je ne sais quoi », goodness, spirit, thing of its own, that we all look for in our tone quests! All the best
Great as always lads. As a side note, everytime Dan starts with an Aadd9 chord I think of Champagne Supernova 😂
Dan, what an intro!!!
Great comparison. The Starlight has really great emulations, but I agree that some EQ control of the repeats would be welcome. That's one of the things that make the EchoSystem very useful even though its emulations aren't nearly as accurate, not to mention presets and you can run two different delays at once. I still want a Starlight because it's yet another bunch of great delay flavours.
That DMM is special, it has like an almost swell effect like how the Echorec does, I want one
Yeah, it’s a magic sounding thing
I Don't know if I need a starlight... What I do know is that I need some more memory man in my life(board)... That sound is special!☺️ Great video guys I love it when you do the splitting hair thing with things that are all epic but just sound a little bit different.
This just makes me wnat to get a Deluxe Memory Man to be honest
That is the only sane response really. Awesome!
I feel like that will always be a solid answer
Jam Pedals Delay Llama Supreme is a good shout. Discountinued for the Extreme, but the Supreme is awesome.
@@mattelder9147 I don't think the Xtreme is discontinued?
You're right though, it's an amazing delay pedal!
@@jackgreenwood1817 didn’t mean to say the extreme was discontinued. The supreme is discontinued and is a bit more like the memory man.
Another awesome show, please do a comparison on the Golden reverberator, would love to hear your thoughts on how it compares sonically to the CXM 1978 for example.
Us too!
Wonderful Sounds from Dan & Mick again! I have come to realize that I am Analog all the way in terms of Delay. I only wish that The Catalinbread Bell Epoch and the UA Stalright had Multiple Presets and/or MIDI,
Good review guys. I bought it.
Great video guys! Appreciated all of the comparisons. Throughout the course of the video my mind kept changing about what I liked best/ what would work best for me. The real tape sounded amazing but how often would I use that sound? The memory man had a magical quality about it. Yet the starlight seemed to cover both bases with extra clarity which might ultimately make it more useable. I agree with Mick though, to be able to darken the tone of the repeats would probably make it indispensable.
That’s about the middle and both ends of it we think. Thank you!
Wow, after all this time you finally found 2 amps that Dan could remember the names of....
That was the third take. Hahahaha
Great show folks, I’ve been waiting for this one! I got the Startlight on launch because I’m obsessed with getting a “simple” tape delay simulator pedal with tap tempo. I’ve had so much difficulty connecting with the tape sound... just sounds thin to me. I’ve been LOVING the memory man mode however. I wish I could combine the two sounds somehow :) give me tape vibe with memory man richness and I’d be good to go :)
Check out the empress Tape Delay..... oooooops!
@@ThatPedalShow sigh .... the journey never ends!
That thing really does sound epic! That last Jazzmaster jam was really beautiful. You can just get lost forever in that sound!
Just got my Starlet the other day and I'm so pleased with it. Re-watched this to get some tips and though I would agree that its on the tad bright side, I'm going to be playing a couple of gigs this month with an eight-piece reggae band, so those lush tape & and DMM dub repeats are going to cut through the mix very nicely thank you very much :)
(By the way - you can store presets and call them up using the app now, via bluetooth).
Eight months on and still loving it, just wish there was MIDI preset functionality.
As long as when I touch the strings I know I’m adding to to the world in a good way , I’m happy. X
Kingsley Tube Echo would be a dream..
Looking fwd to seeing that 54 Goldtop reissue in action on future TPS shows!
Half a TPS episode for the commute to work, the other half for the commute home. Delays everywhere! Cheers cheers cheers cheers from the Big Apple.
Cheers to Le Pomme Grand!
Greetings Mick and Dan! First off thanks for all your work and passion! I have a challenge for you, how many different types of pedals can you coax out a vibrato sound from and what are the differences? Also on a side note I have an empress echo system and on the time ratio knob between one and three o’clock what am I hearing and how do these ratios work?