SVB's Aiming System Explained
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- čas přidán 10. 07. 2024
- I recently had the lucky experience to meet Shane Van Boening for a group instructional session. During the session he explained his aiming system and I thought I share what I learned!
0:00 - 1:52 - Introduction
1:53 - 2:18 - Dividing the Ferrule
2:19 - 3:03 - Go Pro Demo for Thin Cut Shots
3:04 - 4:36 - Using Different Sections of the Ferrule
4:37 - 5:26 - Conclusion
5:27 - 6:55 - Bonus Clip
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When Shane was 19 he came to our pool hall in Colorado to play in the weekly 9 ball tournament on 9 foot Brunswick Gold Crowns. He kicked all of our butts, and we knew he was on his way to stardom. He comes by a couple times a year, and is still very approachable and humble. I'll always be a fan.
Buddy you did an absolutely great job of explaining this. Thank you
Thank you Dan!
You explain this very well. I remember Shane briefly talking about his system in a TAR match interview but he didn’t explain it in full detail. Personally, I don’t use any system except simple ghost ball on some shots, but believe me, if Shane says something then it’s definitely worth listening to. I liked what you said about practicing it and making it work to you. So many people think that a system with solve all their problems, but the practice is key. Well put my man.
Thanks fam!
Personally the greatest break down of this method I’ve seen anywhere. Thank you for the content!
Thanks!
There are numerous videos on this SVB aiming system but, yours is without doubt the best!
That pause on the 9 ball... Priceless!
A great memory for me :)
I seen a lot of people try to explain Shane's system but that go pro head shot and the view that it gives you really allows you to understand what is really going on, excellent, telling someone how to.do something and showing and teaching a method someone can understand makes the difference Awesome. 🥳💯🕺👍🏾
Thank you Danilo, your support means a lot.
Wow, this is actually incredible. Thank you for sharing this! I’m glad you were able to learn a cool tip from a master player, and help people who love the sport have more tools and options!
And the fact that you have a camera to show your perspective during shots.. is the best thing I have ever seen a CZcamsr do in the Billiards world. Looking forward to watching more of your videos
Wow, thank you for your comment. People like you keep me motivated.
The Billiard Corner You keep me motivated providing such great content! People like us fall under the yellow light saber category.
The seekers of knowledge and Perfect techniques. Btw I’ve also been studying Dr. Dave Billiards, Dr. Cue, and I follow ItsAamir on CZcams. Do you have an 8 ball pool by miniclip account? We should play together sometime. I would love to share things I have learned with you and get better together! My unique ID is: 101-122-358-9. This game is super realistic and when I can’t play billiards in real life I practice the techniques I learn on the game
I tried this system last night and this morning and it is very effective for several reasons. Takes out estimation guess work, is very repeatable, easy to see small changes in aiming, gives precise aiming point (edge of ball instead of vague contact point), encourages very straight and smooth practice strokes with focus on eliminating ferrule wobble. I used contrasting chalk to mark object ball position and then 4 to 5 cue ball angles from mild angle, to half ball shot, to moderate angle, to steep angle. Repeating these shots over and over, it's remarkably consistent. Since the object ball rolls in a straight line, the angle and aim is the same for distance too. For very thin cuts about 75-80 degrees, I find that I have to align the side of the ferrule off the edge of the object ball up to a full ferrule width of air gap. It is still repeatable though. My old way of adding outside English on thin cuts to decrease cut-induced under-cutting throw was merely Okay and harder to repeat due to speed (slow shots magnify the throw effect) and due to cue ball deflection (squirt) on longer shots. I will probably used my low eye intuitive aiming for easy angle shot and this aiming method for steep shots (half ball or steeper). Thanks!
Great explanation. I will give this a try and see if it works for me. Thanks again.
Fantastic, I use it till a week ago and that help me improve my skill on cut shot. I always had trouble using the ghost ball and contact point (I am 70 and begun playing only 4 years ago) and since I don't have a table at home I cannot wait hitting billions balls to be a very good shot maker.
I worked a lot on my fundamentals and now I know I can shoot straight. Since then I tried many aiming systems and this one suits me perfectly.
I am looking forward for your third video on SVB aiming system.
Thanks for the support John
That bonus video is awesome! What an experience to get to play and beat Shane! Trying to practice this aiming method a little. Aiming at the middle of the object ball instead of the top or bottom was a good tip; been playing for years and had never really thought about it.
Good luck!
I love the clip at the end and your thumbs-up.
Great vid! This is actually very accurate after a lot of practice. Appreciate the info, have a great New Years!
Thanks for watching fam
Thanks for sharing this video. This was very helpful
thank you for the video and isnight. cant wait ti try this.
Good stuff. Very clear explanation.
Bravo e grazie! Thanks from Italy. Waiting for new vids!
Wow Italy! Thanks for watching!
Nice video...what a experience
Excellent explanation. I start using that system and it helps me make alot more cut shots.
That's so great to hear! It has helped me greatly with cut shots too.
Great Job 👍 That actually made sense ! Thanks !
Glad it helped!
Good explanation, thanks for sharing
Thanks fam
I tried this aiming system for thin cuts again last night. It worked brilliantly. I beat 6 guys at the pub whom I used to lose too. Shane is such a humble and kind soul to share his secrets. You my man are a brilliant instructor explaining Shane’s secrets.
Wow that's so great to hear! I'm genuinely happy for you!
In case you are wondering, this system is exactly the same as the well known parallel lines aiming system and it’s the same thing just broken down way easier. Look it up it’s a great beginner system
Thank you. Nicely explained.
You are welcome!
Great video. I knew he had some kind of system and you've explained it very well. I'm trying this SAP. Thanks
No problem, thanks for watching. I'll be making a part 2 soon (advanced version) so make sure to tune in for that :)
Wow thanks for this. What a revelation. Shane is the best🙌
No problem! Stay tuned and subscribe, I got more content coming!
Very nice explanation ... thanks!
Thanks for watching, I’ll prob do more in the future :)
well presented. tried it and by golly, it works!!!! will put in some practice and will improve dramatically on what used to be difficult shots.
Awesome to hear!
when i was starting, i also developed similar to this aiming method as im struggling with the ghost ball method
Good video bro. thanks for uploading more
More to come!
Thanks for the info bro
Thanks...GREAT SVB aiming system !!..THE PRO' SECRET..
Thanks for watching Kalu!
Love this thanks alot I've switched my aiming method
No problem, thanks for watching fam
This may help some people aim certain shots, but if you don't adjust the results (as Shane surely does, possibly subconciously) then you will often miss thick if you have a small pocket to aim at, especially on thinner than half ball cuts. You demonstrated all of these shots down the long rail, which has a relatively wide margin for error with aiming, making the pocket effectively larger. People frequently bring up the pockets on snooker tables with regards to accuracy, but an acute shot into a middle pocket on an American table is also aiming at a small pocket, and if you use this system with no adjustment you will miss thick.
I think the system is basically separating thicker than half ball from thinner than half ball shots, which might improve consistency for people who struggle to notice that divide, but I don't think it will help people who can't already make intuitive aiming adjustments themselves.
Awesome video! Thank you. You beat Shane in a game that must have felt so rewarding
Glad you enjoyed it!
Ha ha ... nice of him to let you win (obvious from the way he was smiling)
Great video! I also took the svb experience Thursday night.
It was a great experience for me, hope you had a blast!
@@TheBilliardCorner i did and hope they have more pros on the way. keep doing the vids
@@mstrmachinist Thanks! Play pool and enjoy life :)
I thought you did a great job explaining the system. Going now to practice this.
OMGooodness!!! This is awesome! Thank you
When applying english is that the point of which you line up from to the edge of the object ball?
Good job, my friend!!!!!
Thanks boss!
For cut shots less than half ball where the cue ball, object ball, and pocket are all in sight, I have developed fairly good intuitive aiming. I get my eye low with the cue stick just under my chin, line up and make micro correction with my practice strokes as I check my strokes for straightness, make the shot, and most importantly stay down after the shot to see the object ball departure angle as it rolls to the pocket. Helps to aim at an exact part of the pocket (avoiding side pocket corner or when cheating the pocket for example). In a fairly short period of time (days to weeks), you start to intuitively lock into the correct angle. Really helps prevent mIssing those frustrating over-thought easy low angle shots. Getting low flattens the sight picture more 2D for long shots. For steeper shots I get high over the balls to see if it is half ball angle or more or less before the shot and get low again during the shot, but not as intuitive as the pocket can be out of the sight picture. Super steep shots I try to graze and add outside English to reduce cut induced throw, and frozen rail shots inside English rail first, but the SVB system seems a lot more consistent. Will have to try it. Thanks!
There was a short clip were he says use the edge to point at the contact point or the center or the other edge. For sure it works great for anything less than half ball. After that somesort of adjustment is needed as the contact point and the cue are not on the same line. When you are playing well aiming just happens when playing badly a system may help you get it back. Of course a private lesson with shane would help. Nice job thanks.
Good video thanks for the help
Thanks for watching fam
Damn this makes so much sense
Damn that must have been fun as hell! Just a little jealous!
Had a great time learning from Shane. Thanks for watching fam.
Cool! . you explained this well👍🇳🇿🎱
Very good like to see more
Gerd Stam I’ll be posting more pool related videos soon, stay tuned :)
So if there are 5 aiming sections, each of which are aimed to the edge of the object ball, then to what range of degrees does each cue section represent until you determine to move to the adjacent aiming section of the cue?
Cutting as you did in the vídeo to a right-side pocket at what degree would you start to be able to use the middle of the shaft to the right side of the object ball to aim since you would not be able or need to use this for straight in shots? There would have to be another degree range subtracted from the 90 degrees moving from straight in to left for the degree range that you could no longer see the right side of the object ball
Cool experience!
It was an amazing experience!
New subscriber here! Great video, hope you make more.
Thanks for subscribing fam! I'm in the process of making another one right now, stay tuned!
Question: say you’re cutting to the left, so you’re using the left edge of the ferrul lined up with the right edge of the object ball, then do you line up the center of the cue ball with the left edge of the ferrul as well? So.. left edge of ferrul-> center of cue ball -> right edge or object ball?
What I’m trying to ask is like, is the center of the ferrul lined up with the center of the cue ball but you’re just eyeing down the left edge of the cue ball to the right edge of the object ball? My question is basically, where is the cue tip in relation to the cue ball?
That system will have a tendency to hit thick if you compare the aim point using a ghost ball technique. Having said that, it is an excellent reference point tool. Pretty sure every poolplayer eventually learns to shoot using HAMB - whether that takes a few weeks or a few years depending on the person.
This is the method I use and find it very effective for all angle shots. Noteworthy is that although this works with snooker the ball lines change as both cue and object ball are smaller. Extreme cut shot for 2.065 balls is an entire ferrule off the object ball.
Damnnn so helpful, thanks man
Much appreciated fam!
I noticed when you use backhand English your bridge length stays the same length, how come your length does not change when your shooting very short shots compared to your longer shots? Please answer. Thanks a lot steve
Wow this was great. After aiming the ferrule to the object ball and lining up behind the cue ball, are you then aiming the ferrule to that same spot on the object ball when making the stroke?
Yes, you are correct. You essentially line up 3 points when doing this aiming system: Edge of object ball, edge of ferule and center cue ball. Once all 3 is lined up correctly, stroke through the ball and it should go in. Make sure to check out my latest video on this aiming system as I go more in depth about spin and application. Thanks fam!
great video bro
Appreciate it
I like the ghost ball effect for hard shot. I feel like the rest is second nature after you shoot for so long. if I don't practice as much, I'll lose the feel and start second guessing myself.
Thanks
Good explanation
Thanks
That's badass, I use it but he makes it look easy. When my fundamentals are right, I don't miss. But.... that's not as often as I'd like
Keep on practicing! Thanks for watching fam.
Demonstrations of aiming systems should be made on tables with tighter pockets - preferably at minimum, a 9-foot table. I play on a Diamond table with 3-7/8" pockets. It proves the inaccuracy of many aiming systems. When using the ferrule system you are subconciously changing eye dominance to left or right depending on the cut shot and accounting for parallax. If you were truly looking squarely down the shaft - you would miss - especially the wider angles as there is - in reality - a gap between the cue and the object ball. The system will work well but one must use a visual adjustment (angled cue). Regardless of my critique - I did enjoy your video.
I was so confused on how this aiming system could possibly work, as described it would cause you to undercut just about every shot. I guess I could see how the eye dominance would make a difference.
What about a skinny shaft vs thick shaft, wouldn't that add a variable to the angles?
Awesome
I viewed it in slow mo and the cue deviated to the right after striking, it is no longer aiming at the edge of the OB.
Do you need to line the cb and ob edges first?
Center ball hit shouldn't deviate. Give it a try on a pool table.
Please advise...on setting up doesthe left edge of the ferrule pass through the centre of the cue ball....no one addresses this
I believe the center of the cue still goes through the center of the cue ball, but you are just using the edge of the ferrule to help get a better visualization on where you need to aim.
Great job explaining this technique, but I do have a question: Is this only for center cueball hit or does it work the same for using left or right English? I am obviously going to try this when I get to a pool room lol, but this information might be helpful for us all. Thanks
Thanks for the support. The method can be used with left or right english. Watch my "SVB Aiming System Part 2" video as I go over how to do it:
czcams.com/video/hQYXtf0O_uo/video.html&ab_channel=TheBilliardCorner
Here is what I aim for, I pretend there is a ghost ball sitting exactly where I want to contact the object ball. Then I aim for the center of the ghost ball. You can even place your que on the exact spot before you shoot nobody will know what you are doing but you are getting an exact contact point. I was taught by John Ditoro and Charlie Williams just my two cents.
Aye man if ghost ball works for you it works. A lot of people get caught up in what the "best/better" system is but forget it's about what works for the individual.
Spot on, use what works for you.
@4:57 i am pretty sure that aiming with center of shaft to right side of object ball would over cut the shot. Definitely not for the cut as seen at the time
Absolutely correct!! A half ball hit (30 degrees) would have definitely over-cut that shot..
Here from Reddit. Dope dude.
Thanks fam!
This is the “aiming system “ that I use. Honestly all aiming systems work- you just have to find the one that you comprehend and works for you. I saw him explain this years ago and I tried it and in like 15 min I was nailing shots more accurately.
worked for me instantly as well.it took guessing out of aiming for back cuts and awkward shots!
So awesome to hear Vitali!
nice!
Nice video and thanks. Screw the negativity and ignorance, in some of these comments.
Much appreciated!
At what angle should we start using the very edge of the ferrule? Like how many degrees? From what angle to what angle shpuld we use the very edge, from what angle to what amgle should we use the center of the ferrule? Thanks, man.
35 degrees is the far edge of ferrule, for a 12.5 mm ferrule.
Where can I find some info on The Shane Van Boening Experience. I think that would be cool to get to do.
I would follow SVB on his social media platforms. Also check your local pool halls for upcoming events! I highly recommend you go if you ever get the opportunity.
Chalk before the nine was a genuinely great moment. Must be cool to say you’ve beaten SVB at a game of nine ball. And with a good bank on the 8.
A great memory for me, thanks for watching till the end :)
I’ve had the privilege of meeting Shane as well he is a good man ..I never really told people how I was taught because of the hatters out there but here i go ...my dad was a pro player in the 70s and 80s he played Dave mattlock in the final and after placing 2nd august of 1976 Dave Gave him a tip on aiming and lining up Dave played with the ghost ball method so did my dad but what my dad showed me about 3 years ago changed my view on it ..you basically aim and line up backwards there is no pivot or nothing you visualize the inch of space needed for center cue ball behind object ball and line up off the center side of object ball the line coming off center side of object ball is the absolute shot line then play the shot straight to contact point an inch away from back of object ball I was never a fan of ghost ball in fact I would ignore you the moment you tried to mention it until my dad showed me this 28 years later aiming is easy it’s the getting on line and delivering straight to shot line that is hard but it can and will be no problem once you have a solid form and you line up right from the beginning ...use whatever system works but no system will work with an improper form I also know 2 hardcore snooker players that aim like my dad and there dead shots as well ..usually scoring no less than 110 on a good break
I actually know what you mean. I thought of this last year glad someone else has as well. The inch of space before the ball you aim at is where the centre of the ghost ball would be if it was contacting the object ball on the line into the pocket if that makes sense
This is a great way to aim and actually I wouldn't want to call it just an aiming system. It's an alignment system that helps you align your stance. Here's the bad news, it's not Shane's system, it's not my system, but it's been around forever. Well I'm 67 years old now and I was taught this system when I was 17, so that's 50 years ago. It's been around longer than you've been born and probably been around a lot longer than when I was taught it from an old-timer when I was 17 . This is actually one of the older methods folks have come up with to Aid in aiming. 20 years ago I owned a pool room and it was one of the things I taught all the people who asked me about how to aim. Stick with it it's great system just not a new system. 🤷♂️
What tip softness do you play with and what do you recommend? I use a medium, thinking of going to a softer one tho.
Depends on the tip brand but mostly I use soft tips on my playing cue. For most people, I recommend going with a medium or soft. Give the soft a go and see how you like it. A lot of it is personal preference. Thanks for the question fam.
@@TheBilliardCorner Thanks!
@@gyanrosling2226 np!
There is an instructional vídeo by Shane where he explains his ferrule aiming system done by TAR.
I posted the links in the description :)
I wonder does this change with an 11.8mm tip?
Then why does Shane address the cue ball at the bottom in all shots when he can?
Center ferrule to edge cb is a half ball shot , Shane actually used the left or right side of the shaft to the contactpoint of the cb as aiming system
Didn't know that, I'll have to give that a try. Thanks for the comment!
This is with normal cut shots .. not with extreme cuts
Do you play at Underground? Feel like I’ve seen you there.
I've been to underground once or twice. Don't go there often.
The automatic captions of Shane’s name are a watch in themselves. Anyone else ready for the Shamian Boning Experience?
haha just noticed the youtube generated captions
How do you aim when the object ball is not always 4-6" from the rail? Just go by the angle or what?
Check out my newest video (pt. 2). I go over some application examples with your exact question. Generally speaking if the cut shot is very thin, you would aim the very edge of the ferule to the edge of the object ball. If the angle is not as thin, you would aim more inwards on your ferule. Feel free to ask more questions if you're still confused after watching my newest video.
Does this apply on all tip sizes ? Such as 13mm or 12mm .
Yes, should not change the shot much
Does the shaft diameter make a difference? Obviously, when sighting down the shaft, the left tof the ferrule on a 12.75mm or 12.8mm is different than an 11.75mm shaft.
Yes, makes a slight difference. Play around with the aiming system and adjust it to your shaft and game.
@@TheBilliardCorner I thought of this right away. One of my shafts is 11mm ... a real challenge to play with a lot of fun. My regular playing shaft is 11.75mm
Is that a 7ft table? If so do you mind giving me the rail sight measurements? Im looking to install some on my table but can't find the distance measurements for a 7ft table.. Cheers
Yes, it is a 7ft table. I would imagine the railings could have slightly different measurements depending on the table brand/model. I'm no table mechanic so I really don't know much about sight measurements (In fact, I don't even know what a sight measurement is). I recommend contacting a local table mechanic in your area for help.
@@TheBilliardCorner the 3 rail sights (dots) on every rail to help line up bank shots, i just need to know the spacing between the sights say from the centre of the midle sight to the centre of the next one. I know the middle sight is dead in the middle of the rail i just need the spacing between the others. Millimetres would be preferable but anything would be a help
Captain Aust Just measured it. looks like 9 and 3/4 of an inch from the center of the dot to the center of the next dot (Nothing that reads mm sorry).
@@TheBilliardCorner all good, that's a hugh help, ill be able to work it all out from there,, that's mate
@@MrCaptainAustralia No problem
Would of loved more on general shots and definitely what about with spin
Check out my part 2 video, I demonstrate spin. I will be doing a part 3 video soon to show advanced techniques :)
czcams.com/video/hQYXtf0O_uo/video.html
I did not get it can you shine some light. For thin cut shots, you said line up the edge of object ball with the edge of ferrule. But then where is the edge of ferrule line up on the cue ball? For example, a 60 degree cut shot, the distance between the edge of object ball and the center of cue ball is much greater than the radius of ferrule. Thanks.
with this system I am pretty sure you always have to hit the cue ball in the exact centre. However I am not sure if SVB really uses it that often cause so many of his cut shots are played with some kind of side spin, because he's trying to get position for the next ball....
What about with English? and If it’s a shot with the smallest cut shot are you still aiming at the edge of the ball with the middle of the ferrule?
Check out my new video where I show everyone how to use this aiming system with English. I also go over where to aim on your ferule for different cut shots. Cheers fam!
It doesn't make sense for me.... aiming more than 40 degree cut will end up aligning innermost ferule to the air not the object ball.... Please help.. i tried it... It doesn't work like the video says
My friend does this aiming system
I am so interested to know what Cue tip do you use ... I have not seen that one before ... what shaft and butt and weight and pin do you have ????
I am using a Kamui Brown Soft Clear tip (my absolute favorite tip, plays so crisps). In this video, I am using a custom Mike Lambros cue with his standard 12.9mm shaft with ivory ferule. Cue is 19oz and the pin is Mike Lambros Ultra Joint (his own secret sauce). I will be doing a "what's in my case" video soon showing you guys my cue and case collection. Stay tuned and subscribe for that!
@@TheBilliardCorner What do you have under the tip ... there is a clear type of a pad ...
@@stefanciubotaru4611 Yes, the tip is a "Kamui Brown Soft Clear". It is a premium leather layered tip with a clear backing. The clear backing protects the ivory ferules when changing to new tips. Also looks cool! I'll prob do a video talking about tips soon.
@@TheBilliardCorner thank you so much
@@stefanciubotaru4611 No problem, got you fam.
Could you explain when to use the rest of points of the ferrule?
Watch my SVB Aiming Secrets video (Part 2).
When you're cutting the ball to the right this video is showing him cutting the ball to the left
You forgot to mention how SVB aims the shallow cuts. According to his system, he "sights" using the opposite side of the ferrule. For example, for a shallow cut that cuts to the right, he sights at the left edge of the object ball with the LEFT side of his ferrule. This is the only way this system will work for extremely shallow cuts. I'd say this works on cuts that are less than 30 degrees.
where is the club located ?
Shane was at Legends Billiards in Beaverton, Oregon.
You really know how explain S V Bs aiming system well.
Thank You
I appreciate that!
If you want a detailed breakdown from Shane you can either go to the TAR (The Action Report) website or amazon and buy the video he made. Shane did a full instructional DVD with them a number of years back
What is the name of the dvd?
@@osvaldobazan9024 its simply called "The Action Report Shane VanBoening Instructional Series" here's a link to it on amazon www.amazon.com/dp/B0813X27HR/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_apa_i_p9GdEbVGX18CE
@@ethanletzer3507 I've included a link in the description for those who want to purchase a stream of SVB's instructional series. Thanks for the amazon link Ethan, I'll probably purchase the dvd!