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I'm glad to see this test video, but please rest assured that our E2000LFP was updated 2 months ago to reach 100W PD output, the previous 65W was due to a protocol issue with the device. Thank you so much!
Question I preordered this unit and got it in July so is this unit a 100W PD or 65W? If it is a 65w what can be done to correct the protocol issue with these units?
“Pecron - That’s Lame” - they felt that. They’ll change to 100w = 100w not 60w… thankful for channels that say the pros and the cons that end up forcing companies to improve. This is a great product and weaknesses called out that will force them to improve. Everyone wins including themselves
Tom, Thanks for your time! but it seems that the E2000LFP i bought last month it can support PD 100W output, I bought their E2000lfp with 1200W solar panel kit, you are right, I’m very happy with their cost!! I’m currently very satisfied with it!
That's great reveiew! Thanks Tom! As an RV traveler, I would love to choose the Pecron E2000LFP, I checked out their products and for those who don't want to spend more money on something fancy, I prefer the best value for money E2000lfp, it provides exactly the energy support I need in my RV life, I won't spend more money on marketing costs of other brands, ECO and Blue... They cost a few hundred dollars more, but the E2000lfp doesn't lose out at all when comparing the 3 of them, and I can totally use the few hundred dollars I save on my RV... Thanks Tom, I will choose E2000lfp
How are you liking it? I just bought one this evening. I can't wait to try! Hoping it will be compatible with the solar panels I bought from harbor freight.
Even though there is no internal charging brick I see it as a plus. Its almost half the size of the bluetti ac200 max . When I go camping I need as much space possible. I have a family of 4 and the size is a check mark for me.
Another perfectly informative review, thanks Professor. I'm doing a price watch this winter on models in this range. Still loving the xylophone percussion.
I own this generator (among others) and I’m pretty happy with it. I purchased it knowing it’s limitations which for me are minor. As these things become fancier (app, internal charger, UPS), I’m starting to notice that the usable battery is starting to become less and less and that they are becoming heavier and heavier. I don’t find that to be the case with this one. The idea of getting this type of capacity with the ability to add more to it , and it’s still truly portable is a big selling point. Especially at this price point. Yeah, the 60 watt vs 100 is a weird choice, and the limitations for solar charging is unfortunate but I’m still happy. I should also note that their customer service is pretty responsive and it comes with a water proof cover and a nylon bag for the accessories. Pretty good deal.
I gotta admit, at that price level it's compelling, even with its few warts. Pretty good mobility too. But I've got bigger expansion plans with the AC500 system.
After research, including your review,, I pulled the trigger on this unit. I was not crazy about the power brick but for $900 you can’t go wrong. Thanks again!
I ordered the Pecron during Black Friday price sale.. Used your coupon to get the E200LFP for $1,235 ish the sale price worked with the coupon. (Thank YOU!) The functionality was exactly as described. My use case is hunting camp with a HF Predator 3500 to charge the Pecron. This will give me on demand power and greatly reduce the run time of my generator. The BOUGERV 180w Solar Panels are my next addition to the system. I am going to back up my freezer with the Pecron if we have grid issues. I would have loved the addition of UPS to the device. Thank you very much for the video. : )
@@donaldricher8815 It seems to work well... Leave it charging longer than the battery indicator says, it's got more to go to be at 100% charge. Good value for the $$$
Mine showed up Friday with the pair of 200 watt panels. So far am impressed. Has Ben running the deer shack since Friday night. Had to charge sat afternoon for about three hours with the gas Genny. To lazy to put out the panels as of yet. So far so good. Ordered one of the expansion battery also. Will let you know. For what it's worth I did wire it through a 6 slot breaker box. Works great will see. Thanks for the review on the e3000, it's why I went with the pecron e2000 and expansion. You are a riot and thanks for doing the technical testing.
Thanks again finding the no fixed 100 / 60 watt. Are we at the point that you can put together a spreadsheet of Solar generator’s from your notes? You have years of experience as well. Also going to Solar panel’s spreadsheet. Even to the point of putting the required panels and generator’s. Together when camping or totally off grid your are dependent upon solar to recharge for the overnight or bad weather. I’m thinking it’s going to be a book. 😅 ok I’ll buy it. Time teasing Solar review. Thanks again for your work and your posting today.
Always enjoy your reviews. When the day comes when you can add a battery/batteries using a standard 100ah AmpereTime, Redodo, or PowerQueen type of battery, then I'll consider buying one of these units. I think they would sell a gazillion of them if they did.
If you get to test the expansion battery, I'd love to know how well they document the interconnect. The expansion might already be more interesting than the core unit, given that it has a 30A 12v XT60 output (correct gender, too!) and it's own MPPT controller, but being able to use that apparently 24v connection with other gear would be awesome.
05:30 Thanks very much for showing the output waveform UNDER A DECENT LOAD. Missing from so many reviews. Would also like to see a quick peek at both near minimum and near maximum loads and also when it's "running hot". I've seen output waveforms vary substantially depending on the MOSFETs and capacitors used.
I am not certain if it has been mentioned already but the latest version of this E2000lfp which I received recently due to an rma is now outputting 120volt ac whereas the prior version would only do 110volt. I would assume it also does output usb-c 100w pd however I don't have a usb-c powered device that will pull in 100watt, my laptop only pulls 60w even from its only power adapter. I had ordered one in August and it worked well and I really liked it however it had a strange issue with the ac inverter and the exhaust fans and that one only put out 110v, so they are making changes/improvements/revisions...so good on Pecron!
It’s so tempting to go to this type of route. The downside is if you’re putting it in a camper it offers no real charging method while you’re driving other than a cigarette lighter.
Will you do an update review video of the pecron lfp 2000 When you received the external batteries? would love to see how they work in conjunction, also charging separately and bidirectional really interesting information this could be a huge selling point for this unit once you can test it.
I think the "safest" sure way to use an external battery source is to use three 12.8 volt / 100 AH LiFePO4 batteries in series. This would give you approximately 38.4 V * 100 AH = 3840 additional Watts. If you use their spec of ~15 amps input charging using the 38.4 volts input, the input to one solar input would be approximately 576 Watts, just under the 600 Watt solar max.... As a decent 12.8 V LiFePO4 battery can be obtained for ~275 to 300 bucks * three, you would then have a total of ~ 5760 Watts of total power available for ~ 900 dollars - saving about 500 bucks over the $1399 EB3000.... With using the EB3000 @ 3072 Watts + 1920 Watts for the main box = 4992 Watts available), an ADDITIONAL 768 more Watts over using the Pecron battery..... IMPORTANT NOTE: This way to expand battery capacity will only really be good for users that don't need the FULL availability, as you only have the approximate 576 Watts available at any one moment. The EB3000 battery can/will give you the total 3072 Watts to be used at any wattage load up to the 2000 Watt inverter capacity, I.E. powering about a 1500 Watt load for ~ 1.5 hours or so.... For the high wattage user, the EB3000 will perform best....
I ordered one of these largely based on this review, and I'm looking forward to receiving it. However, I'm already not impressed with the company/ customer service. Delivery was supposed to be yesterday, but FedEx decided to return it to sender as undeliverable, without even attempting delivery, because they determined that it was a hazardous material and it was not packaged, labelled, or shipped appropriately. I find it baffling that a company dealing mainly in batteries did not find it prudent to pack, label, or ship a... *battery*.... appropriate to shipping guidelines. Additionally, there has been zero response (not even an automated acknowledgement) to my emails about this problem.
Ok the replacement finally arrived and I'm happy to have it. So far it does seem like the solid product reviewed here. But as noted in some of the other comments, their customer service REALLY needs to improve.
What about a dedicated UPS ($100 to $150 for a decent one) plugged in to catch the slack (also fixable without tearing into the power pack, and they do "break"). Yes, more wires, but what the heck, it's solar baby.
Another Great Video. My question: On Solar charging you mentioned 2-200w Renogy panels to start with or 4-320w panels for max solar power. I also noticed that there are 550w panels available. Would it be better to get 2-550w and connect each one to each port? Is their a video reviewing the Renogy panels?
Great video!!! I got a set of those DBL lithium batteries for Christmas. They seem to work well in my ancient portable Ham radio tranceiver. Expensive yes but there are no other good options since the old Ni-Cad pack which is no longer available.
They designed the solar imputs that way to make it hard to use cheap lithium batteries, like power queen or Redodo, as expantion batteries, unless you but 3 in series for 36 volts, in hopes that you will buy there over priced expansion batteries..I would still put 3 -100Ah batteries in series myself..
A lot of limitations on charging and discharging. The price is nice, but you get what you pay for from this power station. It may have some issues, but some people can live with them. The additional battery support will be nice. The question I will have about the support battery packs is: Can you charge them without the power station attached? OK, maybe I should have stayed to listen to your round up.
Thanks, Professor, for another great review. I've yet to see any review from someone else that even comes close to the level of detail you put into these videos. If you have some time, I have a couple of questions: If the primary reason to purchase a SG is for backup power (think, Florida) it seems to me the best option is to have UPS capability (UPS relay). That way, instead of just being stored somewhere, it can take the place of a computer/TV UPS and be used on a daily basis. Is that a fair assumption? I've gone through several tropical cyclones where we lost power. The main thing electricity is wanted for DURING a storm is the refrigerator, TV and internet. Flashlights, battery powered fans, and small power banks for phones, etc. can take care of most other needs. I know the technology (and prices) are rapidly changing, but based on my above criteria, would you have any recommendations? I've posted a couple of your videos on the Eye On The Storm blog (Yale Climate Connections) and was surprised at how many people weren't even aware these things exist. I'll post this one too later today. I got an email from YCC the other day titled, "Everything to buy if a hurricane is forecast for your area" and there wasn't even a mention of a SG. It seems to me that should be on the essential list for those that can afford one. Especially since practically every storm has someone dying of carbon monoxide poisoning from a gas powered generator. Any thoughts you may have on this will no doubt be appreciated and passed on to the EOTS blog. Thanks again, Mike
Really unfortunate that Pecron's choices they make to be the cheapest also kept me away from their otherwise stellar product. I still might buy eventually for mega backup battery power but it can't be first choice because of my needs.
Hello professor, In your video you tested the charging with "fake solar", your variable voltage charger. Since that seemed to take the charge, would there be any issues of charging the unit using 3 12v batteries wired in series to get over the 31v minimum requirement?
Tom I was in the process of an order and my credit union told me that my card was stop I call and they said that the order was going to China. So have anyone had any issues. Thanks
Id like to purchase this item, but I emailed the company, and they told me that if something goes wrong with it after 30 days - up to the 1 year warranty mark, I would have to pay for the return shipping. They said the return shipping is only covered by the company, if something goes wrong with the unit, in 30 days or less.
I can live with most of its minor shortcomings, but, the lack of surge output might be too big of a big turnoff or me to purchase it. That sucks too, because I was really interested in it.
Just found your channel and subscribed. Great review as I'm about to buy one of these. Not real clever with this stuff and curious how I work out how long my fridge at home will last on the Pecron?
Hi great video! between pecron e2000lfp or the vtoman 1800 would you pick one over the other? In your opinon is the bulky power supply of the pecron a deal breaker compared to other power stations out there. I'm just looking for something affordable with good value. Thanks
A "regular" generator normally has the engine running at 3600 RPM to easily make the 60 Hz required for devices. As the output is relatively clean, it should be OK to power the AC charging "brick". What you don't want to do is use any AC voltage source that has a square or modified sine wave, like in some cheaper UPS's that have a very "noisy" output. Any AC device - charging brick - will work BEST with a pure sine wave input....
New sub, Love these reviews 👍 I have a question as you obviously now what your talking about. If you had to chose for a 2kw generator for a small camper, would you pick this pecron, Ecoflow max, ffpower, oupes 2.4, bluetti 200p.
why is the pecron e1500 have 200 more watts but 400 less wh ? I like the pecron for most things but the Bluetti has a 240 output plug massive plus for bigger setups
Hi, congratulations for the details of the video. One piece of advice, better pecron E2000LFP or Bluetti AC200P?? I have to use it as the main battery of my van. Thanks a lot! :)
@@HOBOTECH WELL, not to sound UN-appreciative, it IS part of the operational specification and since you noted the 100 Watt USB port was only capable of ~ 65 Watts or so, leaving out the "Surge" capability is a VERY important consideration in using/reviewing these generators.... Just say'in.............
Re UPS function, you say it has pass through charging; can't you just plug things into it plug in the brick? So when the power comes back on, it resumes charging. If the loads are always running off the batteries, say 500 watts , this is actually a type of UPS that provides seamless switchover, but yes does wear out the batteries more, as they are always online. But at 3,500 cycles, over 10 years, calendar aging will kill this before using it all the time would. Or am I missing something?
It's not a real UPS because it doesn't switch from using grid power to inverter during an outage. By leaving it plugged in and using pass through charging you'll wear the battery out over time.
@@HOBOTECH I'm becoming confused how to best use these features.. I ordered a P2001 for my first solar power system, and it sounds like I have to choose between running things on solar (daily) and using the UPS.. In order to use the UPS, it must be connected to AC power.. but then that means it'll be fully charged at all times and unable to collect solar when the sun shines.. I can't have standby power, and reduce/offset my grid power usage at the same.. This reality makes running things like refrigerators unrealistic unless I manually intervene. So, for now I suppose the plan is setting up an automated heating and cooling system.. I have enough independent units I can set half up to run on solar only with no AC power, and half on AC power to kick on only if the solar powered ones can't maintain a temperature threshold. It's important to find a way to discharge useful power as much as possible, as I'm using those grid power offsets to subsidize the cost of the equipment. I have four 100w panels on the way, nothing has arrived yet, (also have an EB3A that's never been used with solar)
I like it but only want to be able to put one 200w panel out outside of my Rv. That panel only delivers max 29Amps. So to be clear are you saying this unit won’t charge with solar with that amount input??Weight is an issue with RV so whatever I put in it something typically comes out.
The double fisted battery 'efficiency' test is a bit of a misnomer. These companies can claim anything they like... it's more of an honesty test, if anything.
Great video Sir. What was the name of the max solar panels you mentioned? I'm definitely interested in the quickest solar charging panels available for this. Thank you
9:10 you can see once the voltage is increased to 32V (the stated minimum) the amps creep up to 14.2, charging the battery at about 450w. this is confirmed in Jasonoids video when he charges the pecron with a 12-36v boost converter and it does the same.
I just purchased a PECRON E2000LFP. My RV roof space that I'm working with is 101" x 77". If I should use (2) Renogy 450 Watt Monocrystalline Solar Panel SKU: RSP450D-120x2-US, would this work? The dimensions would be perfect.
Hello Professor, bought an E2000lfp and pretty satisfied after the first one was returned for no go, (Customer Service pretty good so far). I see that the EB3000 (3kwh) expansion batts are out. Want to add expansions but won't until I start seeing some reviews from my trusted UTubers. When do you think?
Had the same thing,. returned the first one but the second one they sent me has been great! I also pre-ordered the EB3000 and it has far exceeded my expectations. Look up "Pecron" on youtube and watch some of Rambling Bob's videos and you'll get some great info! Looking forward to HobeTech doing a review on the EB3000!!!
What would be a good panel to use with the Pecron E2000 LFP that is mountable to the top of my vehicle? I have a roof top tent on my Jeep (with luggage rack), and looking for a durable panel with the correct voltage. Thanks for any help you can give!
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We can confirm this, all the e2000lfp units that are being sold now are 120v and have 100w (20v @ 5a) usb-c outputs :)
I'm glad to see this test video, but please rest assured that our E2000LFP was updated 2 months ago to reach 100W PD output, the previous 65W was due to a protocol issue with the device. Thank you so much!
👍😁 I'm purchased the E2000LFP in September and it does work with my 100W laptop charger, I'm looking forward to your extra battery!!!
I tried looking up your website but it was down. I can't find any info on it. Nor do I see anything on Amazon.
@@ProductsChannel Try using the links provided in the description.
Question I preordered this unit and got it in July so is this unit a 100W PD or 65W? If it is a 65w what can be done to correct the protocol issue with these units?
How does the E2000LFP and the E3000 stack up against each other? I bought the E3000 in July, and am wondering.
“Pecron - That’s Lame” - they felt that. They’ll change to 100w = 100w not 60w… thankful for channels that say the pros and the cons that end up forcing companies to improve. This is a great product and weaknesses called out that will force them to improve. Everyone wins including themselves
Tom, Thanks for your time! but it seems that the E2000LFP i bought last month it can support PD 100W output, I bought their E2000lfp with 1200W solar panel kit, you are right, I’m very happy with their cost!! I’m currently very satisfied with it!
That's great reveiew! Thanks Tom! As an RV traveler, I would love to choose the Pecron E2000LFP, I checked out their products and for those who don't want to spend more money on something fancy, I prefer the best value for money E2000lfp, it provides exactly the energy support I need in my RV life, I won't spend more money on marketing costs of other brands, ECO and Blue... They cost a few hundred dollars more, but the E2000lfp doesn't lose out at all when comparing the 3 of them, and I can totally use the few hundred dollars I save on my RV... Thanks Tom, I will choose E2000lfp
How are you liking it? I just bought one this evening. I can't wait to try! Hoping it will be compatible with the solar panels I bought from harbor freight.
I really like the overall thoroughness of your reviews. Thank you for your professionalism. The lack of the UPS hamstrings the product.
I would love to see you do a review on whatever product you think is the 'Best' or 'most efficient' system for an off-grid RV system
Even though there is no internal charging brick I see it as a plus. Its almost half the size of the bluetti ac200 max . When I go camping I need as much space possible. I have a family of 4 and the size is a check mark for me.
Another perfectly informative review, thanks Professor. I'm doing a price watch this winter on models in this range. Still loving the xylophone percussion.
I own this generator (among others) and I’m pretty happy with it. I purchased it knowing it’s limitations which for me are minor.
As these things become fancier (app, internal charger, UPS), I’m starting to notice that the usable battery is starting to become less and less and that they are becoming heavier and heavier. I don’t find that to be the case with this one.
The idea of getting this type of capacity with the ability to add more to it , and it’s still truly portable is a big selling point. Especially at this price point.
Yeah, the 60 watt vs 100 is a weird choice, and the limitations for solar charging is unfortunate but I’m still happy.
I should also note that their customer service is pretty responsive and it comes with a water proof cover and a nylon bag for the accessories. Pretty good deal.
I just got this, glad you’re doing a review
I gotta admit, at that price level it's compelling, even with its few warts. Pretty good mobility too. But I've got bigger expansion plans with the AC500 system.
After research, including your review,, I pulled the trigger on this unit. I was not crazy about the power brick but for $900 you can’t go wrong. Thanks again!
I ordered the Pecron during Black Friday price sale.. Used your coupon to get the E200LFP for $1,235 ish the sale price worked with the coupon. (Thank YOU!)
The functionality was exactly as described. My use case is hunting camp with a HF Predator 3500 to charge the Pecron. This will give me on demand power and greatly reduce the run time of my generator.
The BOUGERV 180w Solar Panels are my next addition to the system.
I am going to back up my freezer with the Pecron if we have grid issues. I would have loved the addition of UPS to the device.
Thank you very much for the video. : )
Barkingspider2007 Have you had any issues with your Pecron. How's the charging performance.
@@donaldricher8815 It seems to work well... Leave it charging longer than the battery indicator says, it's got more to go to be at 100% charge. Good value for the $$$
Your a bloody Legend Hobotech. Hello from Australia !!!
Mine showed up Friday with the pair of 200 watt panels. So far am impressed. Has Ben running the deer shack since Friday night. Had to charge sat afternoon for about three hours with the gas Genny. To lazy to put out the panels as of yet. So far so good. Ordered one of the expansion battery also. Will let you know. For what it's worth I did wire it through a 6 slot breaker box. Works great will see. Thanks for the review on the e3000, it's why I went with the pecron e2000 and expansion. You are a riot and thanks for doing the technical testing.
Tom, your reviews are the best! Well done
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got it for $1234.05 with black Friday deal combined with the hobo code! Thanks!!
Thanks again finding the no fixed 100 / 60 watt. Are we at the point that you can put together a spreadsheet of Solar generator’s from your notes? You have years of experience as well. Also going to Solar panel’s spreadsheet. Even to the point of putting the required panels and generator’s. Together when camping or totally off grid your are dependent upon solar to recharge for the overnight or bad weather. I’m thinking it’s going to be a book. 😅 ok I’ll buy it. Time teasing Solar review. Thanks again for your work and your posting today.
Always enjoy your reviews. When the day comes when you can add a battery/batteries using a standard 100ah AmpereTime, Redodo, or PowerQueen type of battery, then I'll consider buying one of these units. I think they would sell a gazillion of them if they did.
re: adding batteries using a standard... type... Very true.
Like I said in the review you can add whatever batteries you want to the 12v input.
Get an inverter and plug the AC charger into it.
@@HOBOTECH Apologies. Just to clarify... you can "add batteries" thru the 12 volt input and "recharge" those batteries thru the same input point?
That 100W port falling that short was enough to make me choose to buy something else. Thanks for the review!
Always outstanding 👏 reviews
If you get to test the expansion battery, I'd love to know how well they document the interconnect. The expansion might already be more interesting than the core unit, given that it has a 30A 12v XT60 output (correct gender, too!) and it's own MPPT controller, but being able to use that apparently 24v connection with other gear would be awesome.
Great review I was actually waiting for you to review this lol I’m basically “living in my car”so I’d really like to have a good power station 😅
05:30 Thanks very much for showing the output waveform UNDER A DECENT LOAD. Missing from so many reviews.
Would also like to see a quick peek at both near minimum and near maximum loads and also when it's "running hot". I've seen output waveforms vary substantially depending on the MOSFETs and capacitors used.
I am not certain if it has been mentioned already but the latest version of this E2000lfp which I received recently due to an rma is now outputting 120volt ac whereas the prior version would only do 110volt. I would assume it also does output usb-c 100w pd however I don't have a usb-c powered device that will pull in 100watt, my laptop only pulls 60w even from its only power adapter.
I had ordered one in August and it worked well and I really liked it however it had a strange issue with the ac inverter and the exhaust fans and that one only put out 110v, so they are making changes/improvements/revisions...so good on Pecron!
It’s so tempting to go to this type of route. The downside is if you’re putting it in a camper it offers no real charging method while you’re driving other than a cigarette lighter.
I like ur vids you are always more in-depth than any other CZcamsr your better than minute man prep smile
Will you do an update review video of the pecron lfp 2000 When you received the external batteries? would love to see how they work in conjunction, also charging separately and bidirectional really interesting information this could be a huge selling point for this unit once you can test it.
I think the "safest" sure way to use an external battery source is to use three 12.8 volt / 100 AH LiFePO4 batteries in series. This would give you approximately 38.4 V * 100 AH = 3840 additional Watts. If you use their spec of ~15 amps input charging using the 38.4 volts input, the input to one solar input would be approximately 576 Watts, just under the 600 Watt solar max.... As a decent 12.8 V LiFePO4 battery can be obtained for ~275 to 300 bucks * three, you would then have a total of ~ 5760 Watts of total power available for ~ 900 dollars - saving about 500 bucks over the $1399 EB3000.... With using the EB3000 @ 3072 Watts + 1920 Watts for the main box = 4992 Watts available), an ADDITIONAL 768 more Watts over using the Pecron battery..... IMPORTANT NOTE: This way to expand battery capacity will only really be good for users that don't need the FULL availability, as you only have the approximate 576 Watts available at any one moment. The EB3000 battery can/will give you the total 3072 Watts to be used at any wattage load up to the 2000 Watt inverter capacity, I.E. powering about a 1500 Watt load for ~ 1.5 hours or so.... For the high wattage user, the EB3000 will perform best....
This Pecron system seems to have a lot of value for the price.
This video was exactly what I was looking for. Thank you.
The first video of yours I was like dam that’s corny now I’m here like “BANG BANG” all loud in my room excited for the results
I just got this unit. For 1099. It is on-sale and free shipping.
i will wait to buy until the expandable batteries are tested and review by at least two youtubers.
Did you test the Renogy panels with this power unit?
one of the things missing is a light to call down the Dancing aliens. I'm not sure i could live without a light lol
Please, Please test the new Geneverse HomePower Two Pro!! You did the older Generarc but this is a newer version. Thank you HOBO!
Now in May 2024, you can get it for $850. Add 3kw for $1k and another to get 8kwh for under $3k. Thats less than $.36 a watt hour.
I saw it online and thought but Who da fook is this company. Chime in the myth.. the man… the electronic legend HoboTech… you are the MAN.
I ordered one of these largely based on this review, and I'm looking forward to receiving it. However, I'm already not impressed with the company/ customer service. Delivery was supposed to be yesterday, but FedEx decided to return it to sender as undeliverable, without even attempting delivery, because they determined that it was a hazardous material and it was not packaged, labelled, or shipped appropriately. I find it baffling that a company dealing mainly in batteries did not find it prudent to pack, label, or ship a... *battery*.... appropriate to shipping guidelines. Additionally, there has been zero response (not even an automated acknowledgement) to my emails about this problem.
I did finally receive an ack, 3 days ago, but no update since then. This is unacceptable @pecron2879
Ok the replacement finally arrived and I'm happy to have it. So far it does seem like the solid product reviewed here. But as noted in some of the other comments, their customer service REALLY needs to improve.
much more positives than negatives, but im waiting until they offer a 30 or 50amp rv port.
Just use a dogbone. A 30A hookup would require a 3600w output.
I think i just decided to buy the 1000 montek.
Ups is very important to me.
As always awesome reviews.
Does anyone know the brand of that variable voltage charger hobo uses for solar input testing?
What about a dedicated UPS ($100 to $150 for a decent one) plugged in to catch the slack (also fixable without tearing into the power pack, and they do "break"). Yes, more wires, but what the heck, it's solar baby.
Another Great Video.
My question: On Solar charging you mentioned 2-200w Renogy panels to start with or 4-320w panels for max solar power.
I also noticed that there are 550w panels available.
Would it be better to get 2-550w and connect each one to each port?
Is their a video reviewing the Renogy panels?
Price is now 849 no tax, great deal
Great video!!! I got a set of those DBL lithium batteries for Christmas. They seem to work well in my ancient portable Ham radio tranceiver. Expensive yes but there are no other good options since the old Ni-Cad pack which is no longer available.
They designed the solar imputs that way to make it hard to use cheap lithium batteries, like power queen or Redodo, as expantion batteries, unless you but 3 in series for 36 volts, in hopes that you will buy there over priced expansion batteries..I would still put 3 -100Ah batteries in series myself..
Unfortunately their support staff doesn't seem to be able to get it together to even respond to anything other than warranty registration!
I would love to garb a beer with this guy. . Love his videos .
A lot of limitations on charging and discharging. The price is nice, but you get what you pay for from this power station. It may have some issues, but some people can live with them. The additional battery support will be nice. The question I will have about the support battery packs is: Can you charge them without the power station attached? OK, maybe I should have stayed to listen to your round up.
Thanks, Professor, for another great review. I've yet to see any review from someone else that even comes close to the level of detail you put into these videos.
If you have some time, I have a couple of questions:
If the primary reason to purchase a SG is for backup power (think, Florida) it seems to me the best option is to have UPS capability (UPS relay). That way, instead of just being stored somewhere, it can take the place of a computer/TV UPS and be used on a daily basis. Is that a fair assumption?
I've gone through several tropical cyclones where we lost power. The main thing electricity is wanted for DURING a storm is the refrigerator, TV and internet. Flashlights, battery powered fans, and small power banks for phones, etc. can take care of most other needs. I know the technology (and prices) are rapidly changing, but based on my above criteria, would you have any recommendations?
I've posted a couple of your videos on the Eye On The Storm blog (Yale Climate Connections) and was surprised at how many people weren't even aware these things exist. I'll post this one too later today. I got an email from YCC the other day titled, "Everything to buy if a hurricane is forecast for your area" and there wasn't even a mention of a SG. It seems to me that should be on the essential list for those that can afford one. Especially since practically every storm has someone dying of carbon monoxide poisoning from a gas powered generator. Any thoughts you may have on this will no doubt be appreciated and passed on to the EOTS blog.
Thanks again,
Mike
Teardown!
Really unfortunate that Pecron's choices they make to be the cheapest also kept me away from their otherwise stellar product. I still might buy eventually for mega backup battery power but it can't be first choice because of my needs.
Hello professor,
In your video you tested the charging with "fake solar", your variable voltage charger. Since that seemed to take the charge, would there be any issues of charging the unit using 3 12v batteries wired in series to get over the 31v minimum requirement?
I just got it for $899 on Amazon Prime Day 👍
Tom I was in the process of an order and my credit union told me that my card was stop I call and they said that the order was going to China. So have anyone had any issues. Thanks
Does requiring 30 volts minimum to charge from solar mean that you can't charge it on a slightly overcast day?
Overcast has nothing to do with voltage.
The VDL 2000 is only .49c a watt and it’s also LFP.
The Pecron is the cheapest with modular batteries. That's what I said.
Id like to purchase this item, but I emailed the company, and they told me that if something goes wrong with it after 30 days - up to the 1 year warranty mark, I would have to pay for the return shipping. They said the return shipping is only covered by the company, if something goes wrong with the unit, in 30 days or less.
I have a 1500W and might get this one.
finally im getting notified of your videos. thanks youtube
I can live with most of its minor shortcomings, but, the lack of surge output might be too big of a big turnoff or me to purchase it. That sucks too, because I was really interested in it.
Just found your channel and subscribed. Great review as I'm about to buy one of these. Not real clever with this stuff and curious how I work out how long my fridge at home will last on the Pecron?
Their website says to contact pecron support email for the return shipping address BUT THEN THEY DONT RESPOND TO GIVE IT TO YOU!
I think this is my next because of this review.
Hi great video! between pecron e2000lfp or the vtoman 1800 would you pick one over the other? In your opinon is the bulky power supply of the pecron a deal breaker compared to other power stations out there. I'm just looking for something affordable with good value. Thanks
Great review, thank you! My question is, can you charge this, or any other similar power station, using a regular (not inverter) generator?
A "regular" generator normally has the engine running at 3600 RPM to easily make the 60 Hz required for devices. As the output is relatively clean, it should be OK to power the AC charging "brick". What you don't want to do is use any AC voltage source that has a square or modified sine wave, like in some cheaper UPS's that have a very "noisy" output. Any AC device - charging brick - will work BEST with a pure sine wave input....
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Love these reviews 👍
I have a question as you obviously now what your talking about. If you had to chose for a 2kw generator for a small camper, would you pick this pecron,
Ecoflow max,
ffpower,
oupes 2.4,
bluetti 200p.
Obligatory comment to help channel
why is the pecron e1500 have 200 more watts but 400 less wh ? I like the pecron for most things but the Bluetti has a 240 output plug massive plus for bigger setups
Almost everything I wished except for the huge brick.
Double 👊 👊 Friday! 🤘⚡️🤘 is it just me or dose saying Pecron make you giggle 😊.
Does not dose.
I got four 250 watt, 12vdc panels to double charge with.
Currently it's even cheaper, it's now $1,099.00 Lowering that cost even more! (Posted on 6/10/23)
Hi, congratulations for the details of the video. One piece of advice, better pecron E2000LFP or Bluetti AC200P?? I have to use it as the main battery of my van. Thanks a lot! :)
Unfortunately the lack of UPS really killed it for me. Otherwise, I'd have chosen this one over the FFpower 2000w.
Can it charge through solar automatically if the power is off from depletion or would you have to manually turn it on before it starts charging?
I dont understand, if it wont run at 2000 watts how is it going to do 3000 surge? Is the surge just bs?
Surge rating is typically for 0.5-1.0 seconds. I don't test for that because why bother.
It shuts down at 2000 pretty quickly. Maybe 2100 but that's about the max load.
@@HOBOTECH WELL, not to sound UN-appreciative, it IS part of the operational specification and since you noted the 100 Watt USB port was only capable of ~ 65 Watts or so, leaving out the "Surge" capability is a VERY important consideration in using/reviewing these generators.... Just say'in.............
Good stuff,thanks
I love your channel!!!
Re UPS function, you say it has pass through charging; can't you just plug things into it plug in the brick? So when the power comes back on, it resumes charging. If the loads are always running off the batteries, say 500 watts , this is actually a type of UPS that provides seamless switchover, but yes does wear out the batteries more, as they are always online. But at 3,500 cycles, over 10 years, calendar aging will kill this before using it all the time would. Or am I missing something?
It's not a real UPS because it doesn't switch from using grid power to inverter during an outage. By leaving it plugged in and using pass through charging you'll wear the battery out over time.
@@HOBOTECH I'm becoming confused how to best use these features.. I ordered a P2001 for my first solar power system, and it sounds like I have to choose between running things on solar (daily) and using the UPS..
In order to use the UPS, it must be connected to AC power.. but then that means it'll be fully charged at all times and unable to collect solar when the sun shines..
I can't have standby power, and reduce/offset my grid power usage at the same..
This reality makes running things like refrigerators unrealistic unless I manually intervene.
So, for now I suppose the plan is setting up an automated heating and cooling system.. I have enough independent units I can set half up to run on solar only with no AC power, and half on AC power to kick on only if the solar powered ones can't maintain a temperature threshold.
It's important to find a way to discharge useful power as much as possible, as I'm using those grid power offsets to subsidize the cost of the equipment.
I have four 100w panels on the way, nothing has arrived yet, (also have an EB3A that's never been used with solar)
@HOBOTECH I picked up this unit I have a question . Can you hook up a small wind generator to power this unit say a 400w unit ?
I like it but only want to be able to put one 200w panel out outside of my Rv. That panel only delivers max 29Amps. So to be clear are you saying this unit won’t charge with solar with that amount input??Weight is an issue with RV so whatever I put in it something typically comes out.
thanks for the review
Can I use lithium batteries for my house batteries in a class C and not hurt the alternator ?
The double fisted battery 'efficiency' test is a bit of a misnomer. These companies can claim anything they like... it's more of an honesty test, if anything.
@@EfficientRVer 👍
Can these be charged with a DC to DC charger....
Sounds interesting though I already have the Ecoflow and am working on their expandable batteries. I'm saving my pennies... :)
I was worried when you said you were going to show your pecron CZcams. That's a very different video
Great video Sir. What was the name of the max solar panels you mentioned? I'm definitely interested in the quickest solar charging panels available for this. Thank you
9:10 you can see once the voltage is increased to 32V (the stated minimum) the amps creep up to 14.2, charging the battery at about 450w. this is confirmed in Jasonoids video when he charges the pecron with a 12-36v boost converter and it does the same.
On-sale right now 899.00
Your device was only a 5A @ 12V = 60W so that is all it would take from the Pecron.
The Power Ben accepts 20v @5A. I've done this test hundreds of times. The USB here is 60w.
I just purchased a PECRON E2000LFP. My RV roof space that I'm working with is 101" x 77". If I should use (2) Renogy 450 Watt Monocrystalline Solar Panel SKU: RSP450D-120x2-US, would this work? The dimensions would be perfect.
Yes they will run fine. I see them at 34 volts so it's over the minimum mentioned so you can run one on each controller.
Hello Professor, bought an E2000lfp and pretty satisfied after the first one was returned for no go, (Customer Service pretty good so far). I see that the EB3000 (3kwh) expansion batts are out. Want to add expansions but won't until I start seeing some reviews from my trusted UTubers. When do you think?
Had the same thing,. returned the first one but the second one they sent me has been great! I also pre-ordered the EB3000 and it has far exceeded my expectations. Look up "Pecron" on youtube and watch some of Rambling Bob's videos and you'll get some great info! Looking forward to HobeTech doing a review on the EB3000!!!
@@BucksBe Thank you for the mention :)
We have done MANY tests on the 8kw system....
Dino Bernardi. How is your new unit performing. Any weird noises from fan area.
No weird noises from the fan area. Unit has been performing flawlessly 24/7 since beginning December 2022.
@@dinobernardi170 No problems with mine either, Running 24/7 with 1,200 watts in and up to 1,500 watts out everyday. full 8kw system
Could I use this in my Semi with a portable air conditioner? I’m looking to charge the battery pack while driving and use this to power AC overnight.
What would be a good panel to use with the Pecron E2000 LFP that is mountable to the top of my vehicle? I have a roof top tent on my Jeep (with luggage rack), and looking for a durable panel with the correct voltage. Thanks for any help you can give!