#4 BUFORD PUSSER: The Other Story "Myths and Misinformation"
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- čas přidán 19. 01. 2022
- Little Chicago, The State Line, Phenix City Alabama and the "Dixie Mafia." Were these places affiliated with each other as the "Pusser Legend" has indicated? What does the real story tell us?
If the state-line crowd wasn't bootlegging, gambling, and prostituting why was there so much violence, theft, robberies, and especially murders? Multiple murders don't usually happen in one area by chance.
The state liner bought bonded bootleg whiskey, most of which came from Caruthersville Missouri. Louise and Jack Hathcock didn't sell moonshine as it was a Federal offence and meant serious time where bootleg usually resulted in only a fine. Prostitution? even the FBI file don't report any real organized prostitution at the state line, that was all movie stuff. Question..., how many murders do you think actually happened at the state line?
They WERE selling bootleg whiskey and they had the razzle game that was played at the cash register inside the restaurant near the cash register. Murders? how many can you name that occurred there?
Mike Elam is former law enforcement not speculation he knows who to talk to,where to get answers, and how to get answers besides Mike's done his homework if you ask me Mike is roll you sleeves up and get hands dirty like a mechanic times you have to get dirty getting into it so I think Mike Elam is like a mechanic willing to put in the time but he'll probably be dead before he recoups any of the money he invested into getting the truth
This is a good series of videos discussing this topic! Thank you for sharing!
Lots more to come over the next several months. If you can't wait, I tell all of this in my book BUFORD PUSSER: The Other Story which is available at Amazon.com.
@@bufordpusser1122 How can I get you to autograph it for me when I buy your book? Thank you for replying back to me!
@@PaulDGreen-bu4iz I will place your name on a list and see that you get an autographed copy.
@@bufordpusser1122 I got my book last week and you did autograph it for me. Thank you very much! It’s a great read so far!
Mike Elam is a relative with some of the outlaws in the State Line Mob.
After seeing and listening to you guys I’ve come to the conclusion that Buford didn’t walk tall at all !!
In your opinion Buford was the prime suspect in Pauline’s murder? So to clear himself he orchestrated an ambush and then blew half his jaw off? You had me interested up until that outlandish opinion..
My opinion is based on fact that he and Pauline were separated at the time of the alleged ambush and that she was leaving Buford the very day of the alleged ambush. My opinion is also based on interviewing Pauline's best friend , Lavon Plunk who was with Pauline just two hours before the ambush. She had taken Pauline to the Pusser residence to gather her children and a few personal belongings. Lavon told me she was afraid of Buford and waited in her car just down the street. Pusser did come home and approximately a minute later she heard a single gun shot. She left out of fear not knowing what the shot was about.
Also, Pauline's oldest daughter Diane was awakened. She was afraid to go into the living room to see what had happened. She heard the front door open and saw Buford carrying her mother to his car and placing her in the front seat. that was the last time she saw her mother before the funeral.
Then there is the odd "disturbance call" that Buford alleged he had received, about a disturbance at Hollis Jordan's beer joint on Highway 45. instead of taking highways 64 and 45 to the disturbance, he took an odd system of back roads including New Hope Road. Why would an ambush party know to wait there instead of on the highway route?
Buford later change=d his story, saying the call was on New Hope Road.
Then there is the odd placement of the shell casings at the second ambush site, which defied Buford's explanation of the shooting as she stated that the shooter stayed in the front seat of the car as shots were fired, however the shell casings were in three different locations, suggesting the shooter was on foot.
BUFORD WAS SHOT IN THE CHIN....NOT THE JAW as the movie WALKING TALL has you and so many others believing. Buford was back to work in just eighteen days as the wound was not as serious as you seem to believe.
Oddly, there was no autopsy performed on Pauline which would have provided information regarding projectile trajectories.
You see, there is so much about the ambush that you seem to know nothing about. WALKING TALL was a mostly fictional movie as only about 15% of it was factual.
Much like yourself, I once thought the WALKING TALL sheriff story was true. I was surprised when I started to investigate it and interviewed many of the real players in the story. I understand why you are so confused as I was once much like you are now.
@@bufordpusser1122 Hollis Jourdan, was my Grandad.
I with you in that. He shot his own jaw off and shot himself up. Hog wash. My father-in-law was a TN state trooper and was a friend of Mr. Pussers and he told me different stories about Mr. Pusser and y'all aren't as accurate as you think. I trust my father-in-law's word. He like Mr. Pusser was a very good man. I'm not directing this comment towards you sir but the ones that made this video.😊 Have a great and blessed day.
I don't think those old guys know what they are talking about
There wasn't an ambush to begin with lightening bolt
I've heard a well-known bootlegger from Mississippi tell Pusser Towhead while in prison was the one who contacted those who would later ambush Pusser. The bootlegger’s son to this day bears witness to this. Have y'all ever spoken to him? One of Jerry Skinner’s videos has an interview with him.
I was in the Marines and like so many others I believed that Pusser was a hero. But in 1978 I went to mountain warfare trainig in northren California. While I was there the wierdest thing happened. I had gone to breakfast in the chow hall and I sat down with two other Marines and we always asked where everyone was from. These two said they were from Mcnary county. I made the statement that where that great hero Buford Pusser was from. They both looked at each other and as long as you paid pusser prices. That stuck with for so long that I startyed to reasearch on my own. Today I can say that Buford Pusser was no hero, and from all I can put together he did indeed killed his wife.
Thanks for the videos Mike...there is a bar next to where the plantation club was across from shamrock called Rusty Nail I was partying there last night! Everytime I go to the bar though I always think about you and your videos and think about all the stuff that went on in that area back in those days!
I was at the Rusty Nail last May...and thanks!
@ 9528Terry you sound demented
@@thehayse.barnes9624 An you sound totally clueless, like someone with absolutely no knowledge of the real story and someone is is completely unwilling to learn from those who do. What does that tell us about YOU?
This did open my eyes to some things which you know I don't have time to research everything but I've always loved Buford Pusser my father to show me the movie when I was probably 10 years old and you know you know some movies they are going to take their own little story and make it bigger butt Buford Pusser still went to hell he still done a great job but I still didn't know I thought all of it was true I do appreciate this but I still think Buford Pusser was a great job
Liquor stores weren’t legal in Mississippi until 1968.
I really enjoy these videos, Mike.
Glad you like them!
@@thehayse.barnes9624 Kick rocks, fool.
@@thehayse.barnes9624 You know, I don't see you trying to give any facts here...just your uneducated opinion. That is pretty sad.
I would like to hear more theories on the ambush and who may have been involved
The TBI has recently re-engaged in the ambush investigation...more to be learned soon I hope.
AQfter the movie I met Buford Pusser a few times that he was friends with a guy I knew.
Exactly my point
The state line always made most of their money selling illegal bonded liquor. Most of Mississippi was mostly dry and every town had a bootlegger that got his liquor from the state line. When I was a kid, I remember my uncle making regular trips up there. My dad even drove for him sometimes when he needed an extra driver. Sometimes my uncle would be drunk and lose all his money gambling before he even bought the liquor. Only thing state law could do was charge possession which was just a fine.
How old is this the graphics and videos look like they came from the 99s
There is sometimes suspicion (rumour) KNIX from OK, ran the ambush on the Pusser couple. Have you researched this angle? Kirksey was DXMAF. And graduated to bigger jobs like Lorraine Hotel, and Biloxi stuff.
It's Nix.
@@hermanator74301 yep
Why knock Walking Tall but not knock the 12th of August? Even if Morris was under contract, how is that different from Hollywood being in the biz of selling tickets? I think they’re both to blame for blowing Pusser’s status up.
One thing at a time can’t do everything in one episode
Is that Louise Hathcock autopsy report on the right side of your head
I believe Morris simply the story that was told to him by Buford, after all, it was supposed to be Buford's biography. As time went by and Morris learned more about the real Buford Pusser, his attitude toward the former sheriff started to change in his later writings such as the state line mob. It was far more difficult to find people find people who would have information than it is now, as we have the advantage of the internet. Sure, Morris's writing made Buford look like a far better sheriff than he really was, but keep in mind that Buford was still alive when Morris wrote "The Twelfth of August" and people were afraid tp speak out against Pusser, keep the truth hidden. Hollywood on the other hand told a story that was 85% false and they knew it at the time, but wrapped it up and told it as a true story.
Anthony, well crap at least he is doing something!! Come on fellow!!!!
@@harley092355 I wasn’t being rude. I just feel that if the book The 12th of August came first, regardless of Morris being under contract, and the movie was based on the book then why bash Hollywood? They’re both equally guilty of misrepresenting the facts.
I want to say thank you Mike you have answered some questions for me on this one and on all the other episodes can't wait for the next one I at one time believed all the hype about Buford being a big hero and until I joined your fb group and digging into the truth I again want to say thank you for bringing the truth to light
Glad to hear it!
The only one that’s misinformed is those who doubt
Why did Jack need body guards if he was not involved in some sort of bad things?
Was it true that Pusser shot a car thief who wrecked his car and became a paraplegic ?
First the FBI, if they were staying within their jurisdiction would only be involved if interstate activities were involved. You site their files but not anything from the files of the McNairy County Sheriffs Office. They would have primary enforcement responsibilities in that area nor any court records from the McNairy County courts.
He seems to overlook the fact that the FBI is a notoriously corrupt organization itself...
I have a question 🙋♂️ was there a case of a prominent Judge and wife who were also murdered by the Dixie mafia?
Judge Vincent Sherry and his wife Margaret were killed by members of the Dixie Mafia, however, there is no credible evidence to suggest that they were involved with the alleged august 12th ambush.
You and I can google anything, but it does not put us at the real spot, and what happened say at Gettysburg or at the Pusser events.
This didn't reach nationwide status without some truth. The TBI and the FBI don't investigate fables either.
You are correct and since this series is being discussed in chronological order were are just about to get to some of the interesting events. What you have to keep in mind is that the movie cations stated that the film was "Based on certain events in the life of Sheriff Pusser." These "certain events" are those when Buford shot Callie Hacker at the Pine Ridge Club, the ambush where he was shot when he stopped a speeding car and the ambush were his wife was killed.
None of these events resemble the way things actually happened and none of the use the real names of the people involved. For instance, Buford shot and killed Louise Hathcock who operated the Shamrock Motel and Restaurant at the state line. In both the January 1967 and August 12, 1967 ambush, the circumstances leading up to the events and the shootings themselves were very different that the movie version as was the shooting at the Shamrock. Bing Crosby Productions was out to make an exciting movie about a hero sheriff. The movie WALKING TALL was 85 to 90 percent fiction, but was "based on certain events" that were fictionalized.
@@bufordpusser1122 So what you're saying is the whole Bufford Pusser events were a fraud. He was just another small-town sheriff who shot a lady, and staged the incident on new hope road so his wife wouldn't divorce him. That's a lot to avoid divorce. Especially the part where his jaw is basically shot off.
@@keithblevins5093 It reached nationwide status because Bing Crosby productions intended to make a movie that would lose money so they could have a tax write off. Their version was based on "Certain events" in Pusser's life. What the movie got right was that Pusser was elected sheriff of McNairy County and his wife was murdered. Almost all of the rest of the movie was fictionalized including names.
@@bufordpusser1122 Well, we will never know the real story. So, you are entitled to speculate your verion of the events. I understand a lot was fiction. Still, I do believe that the area where he lived was populated by some very bad people. Thanks for taking the time t answer me.
It would be a shame if he did murder his wife then to be made into a saint over it. Are people speculating that she cheated on him or something?
It was him , from what my aunt said.
What about Buford’s kids?
Do they believe he actually murdered their mother?
Yes, the evidence says he was behind her death. Mike died fairly recently of natural causes, and Diane died about 10 years ago also of natural causes. Dwana committed suicide by gun shot to the head a couple of years ago.
But didn't Toe Head escape prison and attempt to kill Buford? And I also read he still had some power, calling the shots despite being behind bars?
Yes, Towhead did escape prison, however, there is no evidence to prove that he tried to kill Pusser while he was on the run. Many believe that Pussers wounds from an alleged attempt to kill him were all superficial wounds and the weapon used was a small. .25 caliber handgun. Buford spent only one night in the hospital for observation. Most people who know fire arms insist that Towhead would never have tried to bring aa man Buford's size down with such a small caliber handgun. a very common theory is that Buford used the handgun on himself to light a fire under law Enforcement to find and apprehend Towhead before he could actually get to Buford. Another theory held by some is that Pauline shot Buford during a heated argument. Sadly, we may never know what really happened.
@@bufordpusser1122 thanks for the response. Wasn’t he stabbed a bunch too? I’m unsure when that was during the timeline.
I’d love to know what happened at the plantation club when he just got discharged from the army. It seems clear something happened, to spawn him returning and severely beating Jack Hathcock and subsequently stealing $1k dollars. Was this before he was married to Louise, too?
@@bufordpusser1122 No handgun is small when it's aimed at you.
Had heard the story of Pauline shooting Buford also 30 some years ago. Same deputy told me Buford was suspected of setting up the ambush. Buford had been having an affair with a supposed working gal. That he had Pauline had been fighting for years.
. Getting shot In the face in NOT a superficial wound. Lol. It destroyed his face. The Dixie Mafia was definitely around in 1964.
My wife and I went to adamsville TN in 2002 because we were curious as to what happened in the walking tall movies. Pretty anti-climactic to say the least.
Did you expect to see some moonshiners get busted or a high speed chase in town?
@@MyDyerMakerno. Lol
The movies were about 85% hype.
Are you saying the girls couldn’t have used the motel rooms?
I'm not saying that that at all, however, FBI files show prostitution was not a thing at the state line, that if a girl was needed, one had to come from Corinth MS usually by taxi. In that case a room was probably used with the John paying for the room , however, there is no record or report suggesting that the state line ran prostitutes as was shown in the fictional WALKING TALL movies.
This guy is a joke!! Go to Adamsville and talk to the people who actually knew Buford. This guy is not one of them. Oh...they know about him, but they all say this guy loves spreading theories that make no sense. Does anyone believe a man would blow half of his own face off? I WISH THIS CHANNEL WAS GONE.
Did willie rays bar really exists, under a different name
The real place was called Willie B's. The structure is one of the few still standing as most of the real places in the story are gone. It's on Guys / Chewalla Rd just west of highway 45.
At first, I thought this guy was a hater. I watched a few, his body language was is good. I think he is bringing his proof through investigations. I have often wondered if the knife wounds were real. The picture of the wrestling, I was wondering if it was before or after the event. According to Mike the picture was taken after the big court scene. Which was in MS, surprise, surprise, surprise.
Yes. There is so much misinformation about all of this. I simply made it somewhat of a hobby years ago to try and learn the real story. After a while it became about finding Justice for Pauline.
Mike really makes you feel like you are there....very interesting.
Thanks
So, I guess Billy Birt being involved with the state line mob . So, Billy Birt was a saint too.
Billy Birt was Dixie Mafia and not part of the "state line mob" as they were two totally different things. The "state line mob" as they were dubbed by W.R. Morris( The Twelfth of August) was small potatoes compared to the Dixie Mafia. There is no evidence that Birt was tied to the state line mob.
I think pops be honest and he seems cool 2 me
Scott Edwards he talked to people who were involved or knew things like Louise hath cock's nephew Dennis he was a kid but he seen things
I have been watching these videos and intend to watch them all, and I think I will buy the book. But my impression so far is that like with anything else, the truth probably lies somewhere in the middle. Maybe Buford wasn’t the saint that Hollywood made him to be, but then again, maybe he wasn’t as dirty as the other side said he was. Likewise, yes, there was probably illegal activity going on, but not to the extent that Hollywood would portray it. I think we all know that Hollywood takes creative liberties, so again I think the truth lies somewhere in the middle
I stand corrected! Towhead didn’t have anything to do with Phenix City! 🙋🏿♂️
What is the real story about walk-in tall joe don baker did a real good job in the movie their a lot of killing bullets flying and a lot of blood it had to be very tramic for his children 😂 I feel for them they really had to go through a lot with their mother dying the way she did and their father he must have had nine lives to go through what those kids did it is a real sad story
What the kids had was a father to Dwana and a stepfather to Mike and Diane who claimed to have been shot eight times and stabbed seven times by parties unknown when there were never any witnesses around except for one stabbing. County Coroner was present when Buford claimed to have been stabbed and said it NEVER happened. Why could could Buford never seem to identify his assailants and why were there never any witnesses to these events?
Ask about Clyde Garner over in Henderson County
Garner Town was the real deal as they made the state liners look like kindergarteners.
Im so gald you were there to witness all these things buford suppose to have done you don't know no more than anyone else
Well according to all the mis-information posted by so many, I would suggest that I know a lot more than most. No I wasn't there, how ever I have interviewed a lot of people who were and lived their parts of the real story.
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Who cares. He's not here to take up for himself
What folks nowadays don’t understand is THE TRUTH IS THE TRUTH AND TO SEEK THE TRUTH IS A GOOD THING!!!!
"The truth has no agenda." It simply is what it is.
How did Hollywood come about in the making of a movie about a Tennessee county sheriff that was no different than any other county sheriff's in the United States.
Walking Tall was actually designed to lose money as a tax write off for Bing Crosby Productions. The studio basically used the same movie format that Phil Karlson had used for the Phenix City Story. Others got involved with promoting the movie and that's when things changed it became a success.
Buford was like so many other southern sheriffs as his situation was not that much different than so many other sheriff faced. I believe that the fact that Pauline had been killed is what made his story different. Had people only known at the time that the evidence actually pointed toward Buford in regards to Pauline's Death, the motion picture might not have been made.
@@bufordpusser1122 thanks Mike !
Yeah... like all Sheriff's get shot 8 times, stabbed 7 times, have half their face shot off, lose their wives in ambushes, and blow up stills and gambling operations!
Honestly dude, you try to act like these beer joints and night clubs are as innocent as a Wednesday night church gathering. Watched four episodes and that is all I can take. Just admit that you have a deep hate for Buford Pusser
We expect a certain atmosphere and behavior in those places, but why make them any worse than they were?
On the other hand, we have higher exspectations of elected officials such as a sheriff, so why make this sheriff appear to far better than he was.
I'm saying they made Pusser look far better in the movie than he was will making the state liners far worse than they were.
You don't think Buford's legend is a myth?
NEWS FLASH....There are no heroes in the real story.
I watched four episodes and you didn’t have the first good thing to say about Pusser. Your videos are pure agenda driven.
In that day and time, the worst of society stayed in the beer joints and night clubs. Why not say that instead of saying all they might have had was a lil dice game or numbers game? You want to act like the Dixie Mafia barely existed. Heck, they had a judge and his wife killed in Biloxi, MS.
I’m not saying Pusser was an angel, but you go as far the other way as you say the movies did in their versions.
Scott Edwards in live in Missouri Randolph county we had a sheriff whom served us for years his name was Orville Price he was no where near Buford pusser he did his job nobody will ever write about him his son I know very well Mike Price he's our county I can't remember what it is called he preserve records and certified marriage license and does a great job of it he must be doing a good job we keep electing him reason i mentioned his name is because his father was law enforcement like Buford pusser but nobody will ever write a book about him and well to me he'd probably be better to write about