Waspi Woman, Jan is one of those. Stung good and proper.
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- čas přidán 23. 03. 2024
- So Jan is one of the many who lost out with the latest government scandal.
She lost out on 6 years of pension payments, well over 55,000 pounds. Imagine that figure multiplied thousands of times and you begin to get the scale of the massive rip off. Hundreds of billions of pounds.
We used to protest en masse (in an organised and sensible manner) but we don`t anymore due to the popluation being dumbed down - deliberately.
Glad someone else noticed that.
It just isn't publicised, but Waspi women have been protesting with banners outside dwp for a long time at intervals.
Thanks great to hear.
MP's have taken Waspi to Parliament over 100 times! This Govt have acted completely deaf. Moaned about putting it right not about how much it made out of doing this though. 50 grand each lost out of all the women involved plus the 270 thousand or more who have not received their pension because of death. This Govt been told what to do. Will they do anything about it? Don't want to know. Will pass it on to resolve things like the other scandals.
I'm an advocate for equality. Men must also be compensated for being forced to work longer than women.
Very true never thought of that. Ha ha.
When the retirement age was 60 for women and 65 for men. Men didnt want to be retired on a pension while their wife, who was generally several years younger and not of pensionable age, would still be working and then the family breadwinner. That's why the 60 \ 65 pension ages were as they were,
@@1701_FyldeFlyer Discrimination is discrimination. Everybody should be treated equally regardless.
@@1701_FyldeFlyer The fact that many men were dead by the age of 65 back in the 1960's & 70's meant that they would never draw a pension. Work was often manual & workplace conditions were nowhere near as good as they are today. On average women would live up to 10 years longer than men. Civil service final salary pensions are a huge cost to the taxpayer as is the rapid growth in population. Many of our new arrivals will never work & be dependant on state welfare. The pension pot will get smaller & smaller.
@@711honvedWomen still live longer than men and on average pay in less over their lifetime, so I don't really see where the argument about being compensated for what they 'would have got under the old rules' comes from.
And you're right about immigration. The Tories seem desperate to suppress wages especially in skilled and difficult work areas such as I.T. and social care, and don't seem to give a toss that those immigrants would need to earn ~£31k/year for quite a long time before the state just breaks even on lifetime benefits & pension.
I'm 53 and pension is going to be a memory associated with when my parents where alive.👵🏻👴🏼
Your pension will probably be when you are about 90. Don`t worry though the goverment say we are living longer.
@@dereton33 They spend a fortune on illegal's so im afraid your bottom of the list.
Second homes for MP’s cost a lot Al.
Ah yes forgot about that ha ha.
They won't go without their fat pensions though will they. Makes me so mad 😡 Disgusting! So sorry to hear what had happened to Jan. One of our friends were one of the poor P.O. workers! Dreadful! Like you say Al we just seem to accept all the rubbish thrown at us. TFS and my best to you, Jan and Mo of course. Have a good week. 👍
Thanks Hazel all the best.
I forgot to say that i was surprised that some of my friends had no idea that their pension ages had been moved back.
In 1995, i got a letter that said the government were discussing extending the retirement age gradually. I never heard anything at all until 2011 (8 months before I was supposed to retire at 60), which then told me I had to wait another 5 years. That is the problem, there was no communication between 1995 and 2011 for me.
Done over we were.
@@dereton33 Made equal, you were.
I'll also a waspi I'm 68 and was never informed officially by letter of the increase both increase ages never informed. Fortunately my husband was still working so I was able to retire at 61 to care for my twin grandchildren as daughter had to go back to work and child care cost were so high. I have 2 sisters who are still working with poor health and widowed in their 50s also had to wait until 66 dragging themselves to work each day to make ends meet with ill health. Is as if tge Government are trying to kill us off 😒
@@catherineburgess6077 My pension age was increased from 65 to 67 and I wasn't informed I found out myself, if you don't have the nous to find out for yourself when you will be retiring you can't very well blame it on everyone else. ALL men have had to 'drag' themselves to work despite many having ill health, but you know what? They get on with it without all this griping like the WASPI's are doing, despite the Pension Inequality being entirely against them for decades.
You pay your dues all your life and get crapped on
Err yes, about right.
Except it doesn't and never did work like that. Instead you repeatedly elected someone to look after the country, never bothered to make sure they were doing their job and now you feel it's someone else's fault.
I am a Waspi. I was caring for my husband (I did not apply for carers allowance), and he died when I was 60. I applied for my pension and only to find out I had to wait another 5 years. I was also told there is no widows pension if you do not have dependents. I was told to get a job and as long as I was actively looking for work I could get £80 a week in a support payment. I had no time to grieve, I didn't apply for support and did whatever work I could to get through those 5 years. I came up short on my pension because I stayed home and cared for my husband. I was told I should have claimed for carers allowance, then my stamp would have been paid, making my pension more. You can't win for losing in this country.
That is shocking what a terrible state of affairs.
The waspi ladies were told when they started work, that they would retire at 60 years old, the men were told that they would retire at 65....................THE END! 100% BLAME IS ON THE TORY PARTY!!
Sure was. Thee minster responsible has now retired on a mega pension.
Anne Widdecomb moaned about Waspis then retired at 62. Such a hypocrite. Different rules for different people it seems.
My mother in law is also one of the ones affected. It really affected both their retirement's.
Thanks Sugarpuff, all the best.
Yes, you’re absolutely right and I’m one of them too. Tightened the belt even more and coped for six years, but many were worse off and even left homeless, many too unwell to continue working, some took their lives. I think more are realising that the government don’t look after us, but themselves giving their pals contracts etc, always have, always will 🤬 By way of demonstration, I’ve had my name removed from the electoral register because being registered to vote, makes you part of government which is what I learned from my lawful studies 💪
Thanks Jackie, very well said, let`s hope we get something back, even if it is just an apology. I very much doubt it though.
@@dereton33 Time will tell but I won’t hold my breath 🤨 The words I’d like to use would have your channel taken down. Yes, after all these years, I’m still angry 😡
@@dereton33 Another thing to add is, it’s a contract that started when starting to pay NI and once agreed, in law there should be no going back on it without the agreement of both parties 🤨
If you took out a loan or mortgage, the lender can’t change the rules 7/8 or even 8/8 way into the agreement. Yet, the government (a private registered corporation) by the way, just the same as McDonald’s, get away with it, because the people don’t know.
@@JackieKay11I have said this many times to men who just whinge about us complaining. I signed a Govt contract at 15. They have not honoured it full stop. Having to work in a healthcare environment and a home was not suitable at 65 during Covid. I ended up ill catching it before the lockdown and it has been not great for 3 years with my health. This Govt just drag things out even when told the findings are not in their favour.
My Mrs has been very depressed since finding out she has to work another 6 years, it should have been for people in the 80s not 50s, and what's happened to all the money that's been saved. And she's been having to look after grandkids during the week and work weekends in a sweatshop to make ends meet .
Just shocking how we were all robbed by the very government that is supposed to be looking after us.
Sounded like me. That is how you feel when plans are shattered. A few Tory MP's complained as well. Lots of people had women in the same boat. Mothers and wives. Govt have dragged their feet over lots of things. This being one of them!
The Route 66 sign on the wall, seems oddly appropriate.
Ha ha yes.
Yes, my wife is a waspi too, just like you we had our retirement worked out until the big wigs pulled the rug out. The gap between rich and poor is getting bigger and we are being dumped on more and more.
But, I believe the fight back is just around the corner.
Lets hope so Steve.
I've got my own thoughts on this..
...and hopefully I'll be back tomorrow, to make my representation, when sober
Look forward to it Tom.
Hi. I’ve had a new mono block kitchen tap fitted by a plumber. Since having it the hot water is really slow and not that hot. My old tap- it was different, had lovely pressure to make bubbles for dishes. Any advice pls?
You have been fitted high pressure taps that restrict flow from F and E systems.
@@dereton33 He insisted I had a more expensive one. I was happy to have same as I had before 😧
I have a combo boiler
Good grief, women will be wanting the right to vote next! 🤣
Ha ha. nice one.
It was phased in, born in 1951 i worked an extra 15 months i think it was. There was information , posters,adverts on the tv, we were exhorted to get a pension forecast. The change was reported on the news and in the papers. My workmates discussed it so i don't see how people can really say they had no idea unless they live in a deep cave. Sorry but i think some are having a laugh .
Born before 52 you were lucky enough to miss the 6 years. I dont believe you would be saying those comments were you effected.
Affected you mean? I would have had more time to prepare. The information was easily available . Maybe pay less attention to the fake goings on in Emmerdale, Corrie , Eastenders and stupid football and watch the news instead.
@@dereton33 affected you mean? I would have had time to prepare and become aware of the situation. Not that i wasn't aware already. I did as we were advised and called the number for a pension forecast and it was made pefectly clear . In my opinion the mens age should have been reduced years before.
Everyone knew, they've just been told by their shyster lawyers to say they didn't as it's the only way they can see of scrounging money out of taxpayers. The claim is ridiculous, 'we've been made equal - we demand compensation!' If blokes were doing this they'd be told by everyone in no uncertain terms to sod right off.
Moe probably wondered who you were talking too 😆
It`s ok she is used to it.
We are in the same boat as many Al, my wife had to wait till 66, so six years like Jan and me a year until 66.
The mafia just expect us to sit back and swallow it, it's really not on!
I just do not get why we let them get away with, it when they are supposed to be acting on behalf of us who elected them. With something as important as this why were we not allowed to vote whether we wanted this pension drop. Because they knew the answer that would get back, so let`s slide it through the back door, no one will notice until it`s too late.
I think it's fair that they should have been properly warned, and should receive some compensation for this but I don't understand why they should receive the equivalent of the full pension for those years.
The reasoning behind raising the pension age is sound and reasonable and so would giving them the full 'missing' amount not be unjust enrichment?
for your comments.
The current statutory retirement age in France is 62. It will be raised to 64 for persons born in or after 1968 (which means that insured persons can collect their French retirement pensions from 2032 onwards)
Thanks Clive.
Government takes 40 grand off you. Then you might if your lucky be awarded 3 grand compensation. Nice little earner.
For them it sure is.
Don't forget the women now passed over. They went without a penny of theirs.
My wife's in the same position. Like the WASPI women, she's in favour of equality. Personally, I think it was wrong to increase the women's retirement age in one big jump. It should have been phased in. My wife has paid the 30 qualifying years of 50 contribution for each year to qualify at age 60. Then they changed the rules AFTER she'd qualified.
Stuffed we were.
It's not right, not fair she should be paid now, you try owing the Taxman money
Lock you up if you don`t pay them.
Where's it gone.......Foreign aid and daily mass immigration by boats coming across the channel.
They need the money. Ours will do.
I cant understand how some people weren’t aware that this was happening or that hey hadnt checked on line way before retirement
Busy lives, more than likely caring for elderly parents or grandchildren, so that both parents could work. Carers that save the goverment millions indirectly.
@@dereton33 Everyone is busy, but everyone else knew, so it just doesn't wash I'm afraid...
Feminism was never about equality.
My wife is a WASPI. She's only just got her pension this year two years after I did. Slimy robbing bar stewards always seem to find a way of stitching us up with their underhanded tactics. Fiscal drag is another one where many who didn't pay tax will get dragged into the lowest tax band now because they've not raised the minimum tax threshold for a few years now. It's the old magic trick of giving it to you with one hand & taking even more away from you with the other.!!
Still, it's an election year so hopefully they will get their come-uppance at the ballot box &, in the words of The Who, lets hope "we don't get fooled again"! But we probably will because it seems that being a lying, sleazy two faced son, or daughter, of you know what, is a pre-requisite of being a politician these days.
Thanks for your comments colin.
Absolutely spot on regarding providing childcare! Add dementia care for an elderly relative. Retirement? I don't feel very retired!!
Thanks spot on.
We got stuffed by the pension change. I lost a year and the Mrs lost 6 years, costing us over £70k over the period. We had no notice even today, nothing to say what was happening even the bus pass was robbed from us, no mention of that either. The pension triple lock is a joke they don`t adhere to it when suits them, so it`s not a lock as far as i can see.
Thanks so much for your comments well said.
Disgraceful. A Scottish friend was badly affected by no pension at 60. As an aside, here in Oz pensions are not a right, they are means tested even though one works and pay taxes entire working life. Recenrly I have pondered why UK citizens are sitting and allowing all kinds of things go over their heads; consequently losing their culture and country. Mind you, the so-called 'Anzac Spirit' was laid bare here during Covid.😢
Thanks for your comments.
My partner born 1951 had to wait 9 months and reduce pension but paid in 39 years of stamps. This Government will never get another penny out of us.
They robed us blind.
Yes, I am a 71yr old Waspi woman, and I had to wait another 5 years to retire. I was looking forward to retirement from the NHS in july 2012, but dreams dashed and only found out a few months before in 2011. A lot of women have died waiting for justice. When I look at the money thrown at people who don't deserve it, this upsets me. Never mind, hopefully someone will do something to make this right.
It really does beggar belief I know.
Whilst I agree that women and men should have the same retirement age, I am a Waspi woman too, and I didn't get any notification either. We are struggling on just my husbands pension, and I think we should be compensated properly
Too right.
You were given years of notice.
Feminism women with council,university and government jobs were the only ones who scored they couldn’t get paid off from their cushy jobs.Barmaids and the like had to just get on with it.
Yes.
It’s gone to Ukraine.
Damm
I'm sorry but as a man I can remember about the women pension age increasing to 65 it was in the news papers at the time if I new about it I can't see the argument that the women never new any thing about the increase.i also believe it was sold at the time equal pay for women should then also be equal retirement age.
Wow you actually have time to read a newspaper. Most women are to busy with kids running the house and working to have time to take a look. Did you know when this was first proposed the mans retirement age was meant to come down to 60 to match women and give more jobs to younger workers. Bet you never saw that in the newspapers.
Yes I do remember the men's pension age was talked about being lowered to 60 ,because of automation (probably read it in a news paper) I also remember will will be better off with North Sea oli and Gas, and the poll tax would be better for us ,not to talk about Brexit ,The Government tell us lots of things .