“Men Have A Better Claim Than These Women” Julia Hartley-Brewer On WASPI Pension Compensation
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- Thousands of women could receive compensation due to the Department for Work and Pensions (DWP)'s failure to adequately communicate changes to women’s state pension age, the Parliamentary and Health Service Ombudsman (PHSO) has said.
Campaigners such as the Women Against State Pension Inequality (WASPI) are pushing for a compensation figure of £10,000.
The ombudsman has asked Parliament to intervene and “act swiftly” to make sure a compensation scheme is established.
To date, the DWP has not acknowledged its failings, nor put things right for those affected, the ombudsman said.
TalkTV’s Julia Hartley Brewer is joined by PensionBee’s Becky O’Connor to discuss the compensation row.
Becky O’Connor says: “These are the women who suffered the most and had to use food banks.”
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My mother got her pension at 60, my father at 65 and she lived 20 years longer than him yet men never complained about having to work 5 years longer than women.
I'm a man in his early 60s, don't get the state pension until 67 and no-one will give me a job. I'm destitute, but nobody seems to care about me or other men in the same situation.
From a women's point of view I agree with you. Women wanted equality well they have got it
@poachergreenwood Yip.
But they only want equality when it benefits them.
I noticed as you get older and the people holding the interviews get younger, it's harder. They almost look down on you.
Ageism is rampant to legally resident UK citizens and to men especially. I do agree with that. And it's because there has been a culture that women will work for less pay and be less argumentative about pay and conditions: it is still true to some degree. The WASPIE generation many worked in lower paid jobs and part - time to fit around their family requirements without FREE CHILDCARE OR CARERS ALLOWANCE for looking after elderly relatives.
As a man I had to work until 66 before I got my pension. Why shouldn’t Women?
Indeed! In the west we live in a matriarchy where females have more rights privileges and special treatment. This is discrimination towards men but where are the misandrist feminists who claimed to stand for equality?
Yes, but you didn't work nearly all your working life and were looking forward to retiirement when suddenly, without hardly any notice, you were told you wouldn't be retiring after all and would have to work 5-7 more years. Just imagine having that bombshell dropped on you. That is the isssue here but from the comments on here there is absolutely no understanding from the males of the species. I only hope none of you have wives and I pity them if you do.
They wanted equality but don’t really like those bits. Always after free stuff and money.
@@kenrehill8775 Fortunately, you won't have to worry about the free stuff and money because no woman in their right mind would want anything to do with a sexist dinosaur like you. Enjoy your wrist exercises.
….and men work in tougher more physical jobs on the whole.
I can't believe what I'm hearing, women wanting compensation for benefiting from having an advantage that they could retire early all these years, when those who really deserve compensation are the men who had to work longer all those years for their pensions. You want equality, but when you get it, you complain. Unbelievable!!!
Didn’t you know women complain at everything, I take it you are not married
It's not unbelievable, equality is only welcomed when it's the good stuff. Women just complain more. A lot of men were probably doing much harder jobs as well but who cares about that?
@@doodles863 I only learned this 5 years ago, I'm not married and never will get married but that's because of the divorce rate and the ADDED extra benefits women get in divorce. The complaining I can deal with.
@@pottacoola And the fact that you're a sexist pig and not attractive to women.
@@doodles863 And neither should you be if women have any sense at all.
Funny how equality can be selective?
Inequalities just swing back and forth like a see saw and rarely reach a point of balance. Resentment just accumulating on the lighter side to bring it back over.
Indeed, but in the west we live in a matriarchy where females have more rights privileges and special treatment. This is discrimination towards men but where are the misandrist feminists who claimed to stand for equality?
@@michaeld5888 It was never unequal in the favour of men.
Wake up this is About diverting Cowards away from standing Up Demanding The Age goes back to 60 Many Areas in England GBUK are dying in their 50s People in this Gen Are Living Less than they Did A 100 Years ago Poison in the Water Air Food And A Disgrace that's Call it's Self Health Care The NHS They are Working people in to the Grave
Equality will always be selective from a woman's perspective. Always want more. When they get more it's never good enough but if it doesn't suit they didn't want it really. The Womens Liberation Movement did more damage to women than anything else.
I am a man and I retired last year at age 66 after over 50 years. My wife is 65 and she knew about this way back in 1995 when the change happened so she made her own pension arrangements. This is TOTALLY unjustified; this is pure greed and taking money from the taxpayer.
She never answered any of the questions concerning men working until the age 65.
They never do. It's always me me me.
Indeed, she had a script and stuck to it
The compensation is not about the change in pension age or the years worked but about the inadequate notification of the age changes which did not allow women to prepare.
They don't care about actual equality, women only want the things that benefit them.
funny, that.
Thank you Julia! As a man I had to work until I was 66 to get my state pension, so why am I not eligible for compensation because I was discriminated against? Why did I have to work six years longer than a woman? Where is the equality? As for the women not knowing about the increase in the age - everybody I know was aware of the changes, they are just trying it on, and now men are going to get hammered by the tax man to pay these women!
exactly, pension had been debated for decades about making them equal for men and women.
Women did, and still do, earn c20% less than men so their pensions are much less. Only men think women really have equality!
You didn't have to work until you were 66 unless you had no other source of income, you just have to have the correct amount of qualifying years and reach 66 to collect.
Qualifying years were 40 then 30 now 35.
@@barrydwyer2039 Presumably he had no other source of income as he clearly stated he had to work until he was 66, and having the qualifying number of years doesn't mean one can claim state pension earlier.
Please read my comment carefully, you can only pick up your state pensionat the age applicable.
If you want the full state pension then you need to have paid the correct amount of contributions.
if you didn't pay enough then it is proprtional.
The point was you don't have to work until your 66, but you can not access the state pension until you are 66.@@bonkersbeast
Compensation because they were hoping to retire at 60 even though there was fifteen years notice?
I was hoping to retire 65 but now have to retire at 67, can I get compo too?
The UK has the lowest state pension amonst the rich countries of Europe unless you're an MP that is!
agree but what about all of the top up benefits that lots of people get? - nobody in the UK lives purely off the state pension
We live under a different system so the money goes further
@@gavinbissell8847 😂🤣😂🤣
@@RupertBear412if you have a small private pension you get no help whatsoever. If you are £1 over the limit for benefits you get nothing at all.
Also oldies use free health a lot.
I'm one of those women born 59 , worked in care all my life . Can't believe all these middle class women didn't know about the change
I made the point that when women started complaining about this, I said that men had to work 5 years more than women to get the same pension and lived on average 5 years less than women, as a result women were getting 10 years longer in retirement, this is the real injustice. These women just need to be grateful to men for the sacrifices we have made to enable then to have longer retirements end off!
Indeed, but in the west we live in a matriarchy where females have more rights privileges and special treatment. This is discrimination towards men but where are the misandrist feminists who claimed to stand for equality?
Men didn’t get the same pension they got far more
Men aren't the carers of elderly parents and grandchildren are they though. 😉
@@Fightforyourdreams2024That is such a sexist comment, you should be ashamed of yourself.
Are you still living in the 1970's 😮
@@Fightforyourdreams2024 Yes, quite a lot are.
Men had to provide. You wanted equality, you got it.
Men had to provide what exactly.
@jillhornby5604 for their families. Women also provided. Tiktok generation doesn't understand the core family values. I'm not traditional by any means, but I've come to learn the divisiveness of today's society. Men were coerced into providing monetarily at the time. It should have been shared responsibility, especially when children are involved. My opinion
@@jillhornby5604the world that you live in. Take a look around you, your house- built by men, the bins-collected by men, the mobile phone/computers you use-invented and built by men, the roads you drive on-built by men, the hospitals you get fixed in-built by men, the planes you go on holiday in-built by men. The wars men have had to fight to protect you and your rights, and have died in their millions doing so.
There is nothing worse than a disrespectful woman who thinks the world is better with out men.
@@jillhornby5604 The whole of society and the privileges you have now..
@@PLl-jr8xi No man has provided me in any shape or form, in fact they are a total waste of space.
Work less, retire early, live longer and still effing moan.
😂
Well i did not work less, and retired at 66,.
Indeed, but in the west we live in a matriarchy where females have more rights privileges and special treatment. This is discrimination towards men but where are the misandrist feminists who claimed to stand for equality?
That's women for you!
@@hoofhearted1102 Whats men, let me think, murderers , rapists, paedofiles, Thats men for you.
I'm a 60 year old man but I knew all about the rule changes for women at the time it was announced. Maybe women just don't trouble their little heads about "Important News"
Originally the pension age was 70 years. Then it was reduced to 65 years, then it was changed to 60 for women and 65 for men.
Yes, after WWII
and now its 67
@@philby167 and 2 months for me. I fear for my kids. Don't think they'll even get one.
Exactly! Never understood why it was thought acceptable for women to retire five years before men anyway ! If anything it should of been the other way around as on average women live longer plus if you factor in maternity leave it’s even more than five years in many cases
In the west we live in a matriarchy where females have more rights privileges and special treatment. This is discrimination towards men but where are the misandrist feminists who claimed to stand for equality?
And when women are off work having babies, periods menopause etc , its men that pick up that slack .
What had the biggest detrimental effect on "womens finances":
A) Giving them the equality they crave?
or
B) Pishing 400 billion down the drain for sneeze prevention?
We didn't ask for retirement equality. That was feminists who can hardly be classed as women. And we are the weaker sex so retiring at 60 benefitted women with hard, physical jobs. And what exactly is sneeze prevention? Is that anything like baby man flu?
Yes i remember that well when the woman went to the European Court and won her case for women to retire at the same age as men because she didn't want to retire at 60 she wanted equality with men to retire at 65 🙄
Why can't women work the same amount of time as men ???
Because if we have run a home and had children, then we have done an awful lot more than men,for no pay whatsoever!
@heather4155 I'm a single dad of 3 so can't I retire earlier
Hear hear, we're constantly being told that women are stronger than men and equal or superior in every regard.
@@heather4155That means women should work till 70 because they've spent longer out of work.. cooking and cleaning ain't that hard, and your kids are at school half the time.. please pull your weight and stop using excuses.
the issue isn’t about women working the same amount of time as men, the issue is about the length of the notice they had about the change i.e. the notice of the change was was to close to the change itself.
What a load of bully, more inequalities oozing out in Britain. No wonder young men are so disconnected now days. Women call for fairness and then claim hardship when treated the same
They only want equality when it suits them.
In the west we live in a matriarchy where females have more rights privileges and special treatment. This is discrimination towards men but where are the misandrist feminists who claimed to stand for equality?
I imagine it does seem unfair being asked to do your share of the work, when for most of your life you've done relatively little and been carried through it.
There are a lot of hard working women and men in society, unfortunately some people simply have had the prince or princess treatment most of their lives and due to that have built up zero resilience or actual work ethic along with a sense of entitlement from simply existing.
I just look at it as this at the end of the day - easy times breed weak and incapable people, hard times crush weak people as others no longer have time or patience for their non issues when there are actual problems in the world.
The next 5-10 years is going to be pretty interesting where I suspect we will see a lot of the progressive content swept away as most of these issues were non issues to begin with.
@@james970027 Hard times are coming.
Young, old, or middle aged, men always have great disrespect for women. That will never change.
They had 15 years for god sake. Give them nothing !!!!
So these women are protesting AGAINST equality??? 😂
Indeed, but in the west we live in a matriarchy where females have more rights privileges and special treatment. This is discrimination towards men but where are the misandrist feminists who claimed to stand for equality?
yep.
Men are due for a pension age rise, by 6 years with very little notice. Men's haven't been raised for almost 60yrs. 😉
To be fair they would call themselves WASPE (Women Against State Pension Equality) if that was the case. They are actually WFSPI (Women For State Pension Inequality)
@@Fightforyourdreams2024 Wrong. Men's pension age has been 65 since WWII, it's not going up to 71.
You need to thank the woman who went to the court of human rights, because she didn't want to retire at 60. She was the one, who got women's retiring age lifted..
Yes, some annoying feminist who probably had a cushy office job and could retire early on a fat company pension. Didn't give a toss for those women with hard physical jobs who now have to work until they're 67. However, the government could have abolished retirement age (as they have) without messing about with womens pension age. Wasn't it to do with the fact that the Tories spent the pension fund and had to claw it back by whatever means possible?
It was David Cameron who made the change and said women didn’t have to retire at 60, but didn’t say anything about changing women’s pensions. Now he’s swanning around in his expensive suits and slicked down hair, throwing away billions on this proxy Ukraine war that has nothing to do with us. The man is a disgusting Toff.
To be told to retire at 65...oops should have kept quiet....
Poke the hornets nest at your peril 😮😢😢😢
Excellent .
I remember the same women demanding equality, well they got it now live with it.
Women complaining because they are treated the same as men! Lets give them more not!!!
The women wanted equality. Now they complain.
Yes, just wait for conscription, all our fighting women going to war while we toxic males stay at home!
Indeed, but in the west we live in a matriarchy where females have more rights privileges and special treatment. This is discrimination towards men but where are the misandrist feminists who claimed to stand for equality?
That's not the issue at all. The issue is the inadequate notification of the age change.
They only want equality in jobs in the city and earning six figures.
4,000,000 women times £10,000 equals 40 billion pounds - who's going to pay that.
You are !
Illegal immigrants.....
The children and grandchildren of those grifters.
The billions paying for war in the Ukraine would cover the cost.
All the men who had to work the extra years before they could receive their pension. Obviously.
Men need to bring a case
Men can`t organise.
No one would listen.
We don't have a voice, although there are misandry groups out there that are posing as mens rights organisations
Why?😂
@@Fightforyourdreams2024 they went years working longer , paying more and getting it later
Here’s a tip. Nobody can rely on any retirement in the near future
Oh 100%, I'm 30 and don't expect there will even be a state pension by the time I retire 😂
I'll be amazed if the benefit system in its current state will even last that long as most working people would quickly choose to throw away a benefits system as opposed to a state pension if given the choice.
This is the equality we’ve been told feminists have spent a century fighting for, why are they upset?
Some people who complain don't actually want to solve their problems, they simply just want to moan and be angry regardless.
The agreement I had with the government, when I started work, was that I would work until I was 65 then draw my pension. They then moved the goalposts to 66 without asking me if I minded. Where's MY compensation?
Women got at least 15 years notice, and there were many letters sent out to explain the changes ....... if you chose to ignore them and later say you didn't know is just being stupid
Equality with men, until it doesn't suit. Hypocrisy. The real pensions crisis is down to the gold plated senior civil service pensions.
Gold plated?🤣
@@alanwilton6806 Yep, real fat cat stuff all subsidised by the rest of us.
@@UtubeRwokeLefties
The elite maybe, but not the majority. I was a Civil Servant but not a high flyer, and my pension is good enough to make a difference, but I’m nowhere near buying a yacht.
@@alanwilton6806 I agree I wasn't aiming at normal civil service pensions just the useless oafs at the top and there are a lot of them if you include all the overpaid quango staff.
That's why our council taxes are high. Police.firemen.council workers retiring at 55 years. Using the rule of 85.
What has happened is that someone, or a law firm, has realised that there is a way of getting money out of the taxpayer. Most women never even thought of it until some smart arse hit on a good grift. Let us be honest, if it wasn't women involved if it was men, they would have been told tough, suck it up.
Women live longer and retire earlier, thats not equal rights is it
In the west we live in a matriarchy where females have more rights privileges and special treatment. This is discrimination towards men but where are the misandrist feminists who claimed to stand for equality?
Nor was it when women were paid far less for doing the same job! I was paid far less than my male colleagues
@juliesykes6121 before 1975 , your quite old ?
Please everyone lets not talk about unfairness among the sexes, it's cringe and not helpful. Focus on the big picture, if we don't all start taking control of the UK immigration, crime, double standards in policing and law, burning through cash to house illegals and being overrun by Islamists, you won't have a pension cos you won't have a country to claim it.
@@juliesykes6121
When was this, 1950s or 1960s?
So men working at nearly 70 is ok but not the other way smacks of one rule ect
Indeed! In the west we live in a matriarchy where females have more rights privileges and special treatment. This is discrimination towards men but where are the misandrist feminists who claimed to stand for equality?
Strange that we can find unlimited amounts of money for illegal immigrants who have not paid one penny into this country yet WASPI women should be ashamed to ask for what is due to them something is not quite right about this
Sue to them? Come on what about equal rights for men and women?
Well said.
@@alandoyle8880it wasnt a level playing fiekd to begin with. Many 50s women could onky work part time as they had children or carers responsibilitues so they didnt have the same opportunities as men to save for their pension pot.
@@lizzieh5284 But they were married, were provided by, and could inherit from their husband who would likely die first.
@@desmondroberts6034 not all of them were married and well provided for.
This decision is actually vile. Should be 'Women Advocating State Pension Inequality.'
this is BS . women live much longer than men and are generally in jobs where being in their 60's is not an impediment to working. very few women are in labour intensive jobs. and the pension age has been debated for decades. men are still retiring at a late age and usually dead within a couple years of that. 67 is present retirement age? - most men don't reach 70.. look at any old folk's home - its almost all women there.. the men died long before.
Indeed, but in the west we live in a matriarchy where females have more rights privileges and special treatment. This is discrimination towards men but where are the misandrist feminists who claimed to stand for equality?
Women die before retirement age also
1995? How dare the govt ‘spring it’ on people only fifteen years later?
They make me angry. What they want is insulting to men who have suffered for far more and for far longer.
Some people want to be more equal than others...
In the west we live in a matriarchy where females have more rights privileges and special treatment. This is discrimination towards men but where are the misandrist feminists who claimed to stand for equality?
Not only did men have to work 5 years more, they generally die younger than women. That "compensation" could be far better spent on employing more nurses or doctors, or paying them better.
Pension credit, housing credit, council tax benefits, the basic pension is merely a jumping off point for the state munificence. Don't get me started on the almost identical set of benefits/entitlements for people who have never paid a penny in national insurance.
When you start paying tax and national insurance you make a deal with the gov in terms of what you get from the state. They don't hesitate to take the money from me, but I resent them altering the deal without my consent by pushing out the retirement age. Anyone under 50 at the moment will most likely have to work until 72 and people need to be more like the French and not let the politicians get away with it.
Well said. If a private pension company had done this they would have been sued.
Why do people mistakenly believe that they have a legally binding contract with the government? You don’t, laws are passed, and then they are amended according to the needs of the time. Women were given equal pay for equal or comparable work over 50 years ago. Many of those WASPIs were still at school then, so why do they think they should have the right to compensation? Sorry ladies but you are owed nothing.
Educate yourself. Whilst the French manifested enormously, the law still passed, the retirement age went up two years to 64, last year.
These 'fairness' ane 'equality' arguments are a complete and utter irrelevant.
The arrangements and commitments were made and people relied on them.
The biggest unfairness is to move the goalposts at a late stage.
you either have equality or you don't. women can't be demanding and demanding forever and then get special treatment when it suits them.
Boo hoo! Fancy having to find out that you have work as long as the other half of society.
Oh, how outrageous being told that you're going to be treated exactly the same as men,rather than getting 5 years of advantage like they had been enjoying,how disgusting to be treated the same.
I love how they talk about individuals planning , when many struggle to live from week to week on min wage .
This doesn’t make sense. The change was an update to the law. You can’t claim you don’t know the law, the law presumes knowledge of the law. If it didn’t you could claim your bank theft was legal because you didn’t know it was illegal
Why should the government take care of the pensions for Norton workers which was a private company yet try and squirm out making the DWP paying for the mistake they have admitted to making with WASPI women's pensions
I’m actually one of those women but I don’t agree with this ruling. I was well aware of the pension age rise and really don’t get what these women are whinging about.
You can't possibly receive compensation because you didn't pay attention for 15 years!! This is ridiculous 😂😂
Becky O’Connor hit the nail on the head. The DWP should have written to each individual once the planned change was confirmed. I think many women nearing pension age were shafted as the transition was poorly handled. However, I agree there should be a common retirement age for men and women. It should have been 65 though, not 67. Interestingly, life expectancy is now starting to slowly reduce. Just my two pennies worth.
as a man i have 10 years to go before retirement and im already checking to make sure im ok as usual there is no equality unless its more for women.
Indeed, but in the west we live in a matriarchy where females have more rights privileges and special treatment. This is discrimination towards men but where are the misandrist feminists who claimed to stand for equality?
British pensions are one of the lowest in the world for what is apparently a rich country They should get a lot more x
And who pays for that - considering the country is already running a substantial budget deficit.
I would have liked a letterat least, 6 years is a long time.
I would now like to know when the people who made the decisions to alter the date for us general folk, will be receiving their pensions.
I would also like to know why the 'Saved' monies are being so wasted on immigrants hotels etc.,
The country needs to have strong re think.
The idea off taking it to the human rights was men were supposed to come down to women age 60. Not women going up to men. Typically the government's chose to go the other way. People were under the assumption that the age of retirements going to come down to enable youngsters to go get better paid jobs.
I am a 50s woman. I only had one notification about this and that was in 2011 when they increased the pension age from 61 to 66. I didnt receive anything prior to that. Also its not just about non-notification by the DWP. It was an unfair playing field to begin with. 50s women often worked part time and didnt have the same opportunities as men to save for a pension.They often had family responsibilities and statistics show that most 50s women have less in their pension pot than 50s men. I have always thought that the pension age should be equal but if a private pension company had done this they would have been sued. The government had a contract with us and have broken that contract.
I’m a 50s woman and had 4 kids. I was fully aware that I would not get a pension until 66. For many many years.
Where is the equality why do men have to work for 5 more years. Maybe that’s why women live longer!
In the west we live in a matriarchy where females have more rights privileges and special treatment. This is discrimination towards men but where are the misandrist feminists who claimed to stand for equality?
Compensation for what exactly? Working for as long as men? Having another 5 years to pay into your pension? Or is it for their own ignorance?
It should be the men who get compensated, the world has truly gone mad.
my mum was told TWO WEEKS before her 60th birthday that the state pension age for women was being increased to 65. She died 20 months later.
That would have made no different her as it was not going to affect anyone for a few years. So either she had ignored it for years or no one told her. As awful as her death obviously was, it has no impact on her knowledge of the facts.
Exactly this. No adequate or fair warning given for the first cohort of women who had no time to prepare for this huge financial blow!!
@@douglaswilliams9657
They were told in 1995, they had over 20 years notice and that is more than enough.
Equal rights they fought for it but only beneficial rights not the bad ones get back to work
Nonsense.
Why did we work longer when we die younger ???
Still do. Even today with pension age equality - the average women will still get to draw 4 years more state pension than the average man.
I changed my gender from male to female and retired earlier!
What a lot of you don't realise, women were discrimated against in the works pension. They weren't allowed to join it until their thirties. Also you weren't allowed to pay into a works pension if you worked part time. Also many women paid married women's national insurance.
Thank you. Many on here arent prepared to look at the facts.
You do realise this is about Women Against State Pension Inequality? Has nothing to do with works pensions.
@@Mk1Male yes, I do. I was born in the fifties, so affected by it. I doesn't hurt for people to know about the inequality and discrimination women suffered with works pensions.
and that' the mens fault how exactly?
@@rafezetter8003 why so defensive? Nowhere did I blame men. It's is how it was then. Employers didn't particularly want to employ married women. I married in 1977. Went for a job interview, married only a week. The first question I they asked me when was I planning on having a baby.
I was told in 2013 at 56 that instead of retiring at 60 it wld now be 66. I had just been diagnosed with lupus ans was very ill but thiught I only had to work 4 more years. It was a big blow and in fact I was made redundant at 60!!! Had to wait til last November to reach 66 to get my pension, and I wasn’t fit to work again. The only financial help I got from the government was £450 per month. I got a letter from DWP in July 2013 but wasn’t aware of this change before.
Same here. I had no idea. Received a letter in 2013 at 53 that it had moved from 65 to 66. I had no idea it had even gone up to 65 until I received that letter.
What were you doing for 18 years, living in the wilderness? I don’t believe you.
I have never been informed by the government of my state retirement age EVER. This is shocking I am starting a campaign right now, I'll call it MASPI
@@freddyfingers2328 Except it being widely publicised in 1995. Do you expect a hand delivered letter from the King every time a law or benefit rule changes?
Don’t forget we were all told we would retire at 65. I’m now moved to 66 and many of my friends 67. Will we be compensated?
Exactly I'm 58 and remember in 1995 when I was 30 it being announced everywhere about the age of retirement rising to 65/66. If I was given sufficient notice so were these waspi women especially when the change didn't come into effect til 15 years later. Maybe when I get to 60 next year I will claim ignorance about the pension rise and demand compensation
My work destroyed my health. Doing jobs that NO woman would ever do. I had to wait till' I was 65.
But you're a man so you unfortunately get nothing whereas these women with their dubious claims have all the rights and shyster lawyers behind them...
Women wanted same payment as MALE workers soon as they wanted it Women have got to work longer jeez
Martin Lewis is correct...we should be learning about finance for life while we are at school
I was my school's star pupil. But even at age 15yo I realised that school taught nothing of any value and was just a day prison, where the inmates got indoctrinated. And it's been so much worse for the past 40 years. A friend of mine was a dyed-in-the-wool politically-correct teacher. Until she told them she was retiring a few years ago, suddenly she was more right wing than Thatcher, cursing how she'd spent her entire working life brainwashing children.
They were informed in 1995 that women's pension age would change between 2010 and 2020, in 2017 the pension age changed, that makes 21 years notice. How much notice do they need?
Julia asks a question regarding the fairness for men and the guest refuses to answer ... Julia just moves on. Come on Julia get a grip!
I got a pension forecast in 2014 that stated clearly that i only needed 2 more years contributions to get full state pension at age 60. Two years later I realised that it had changed. No letter or notification received. Found out from a newspaper article.
Oh well, enjoy the two years 👍 you will still have more time than men who a lot die from the age of 60-75
I think the whole point of this is that they changed the goal post without informing them and by the time they did find out it was too late
Illegal immigrants offered a similar amount of money to leave the country as suggested as compensation for WASPI women 🤔🤔
The comments show how badly this issue was covered. They aren't complaining about the change in the age but the fact that they were not told that it affected them (no letter from the DWP). Just because we may be aware of current affairs it doesn't mean everyone is (many women of my age and a little older left all their finances to their husbands - I've seen so many unable to deal with them when their husband dies!). We are looking at this from the point of view of educated independent people/women. Many of that era weren't either. Three times as many men as women went on to university in the 70s. Pay was still unequal (it wasn't until the mid-nineties when I started getting paid the same as men doing the same job, even then all the managers, directors etc. were men). They often took part time or lowpaid jobs, or took work breaks so they could do the important work in the home (that the recent referendum in Ireland supported) including caring for parents (which most younger women don't do anymore). They seldom had enough to pay into a private/occupational pension (and there were a lot of problems/scandals in the these pension schemes anyway). Single parents had an even worse time of it (no crèches or childcare support when their children were young). These were women of a different era who had been brought up to expect a different lifestyle (as one of that age group I can tell you that, as I never fitted in!)
This is the best post on here. Thank you from a 50s woman.😊
@@lizzieh5284 Thank you
And what they don't realise is, if we didn't complain and challenge the Government, they would just go on and on changing the rules without notifying anyone. If the men don't like what has happened, complain - do like the WASPI women have done, don't just sit there moaning because you haven't got anything.
My expectation is to get screwed by the government, bled dry via taxes to support others and when I comes time to retire i will get a pittance which remotely match what i paid into the system
The elephant in the room....... had they received their pension at 60, they would have been on the 'old' pension scheme. Receiving their pension at 66, they receive the 'new' state pension. Simple math means that once they reach 83-ish, they will have received more money from 66 to 83, than they would have from 60 to 83 on the 'old' state pension.
So let them volunteer to receive the 'old' pension and backdate it, the country will save in the long run, and those WASPI will receive less.
We are not written to when taxes go up. It just happens. Where does personal responsibility kick in?
Are we supposed to compensate women for being unreasonably disengaged from events around them? If women were unaware of these changes then they should have been. No one wrote to me individually as a man to say your retirement age is being raised from 65 years to 66 years. So am I also entitled to compensation? Mind I was fully aware it was happening because I take an interest in current affairs.
So this went through Parliment twice...... was reported on the news and in news papers. It was supported by all parties in Parlinment and they missed it...... Selective blindness. They would not have made any additonal provisions to the retirement changes.
Just think on this people life expectancy for men was very low. But work life was 65.most men died before collecting their pensions. So what happened to all that national insurance cash.
As I listened to this interview it's just excuses of failure to keep in touch, as of now the government has put up my pension age to 67 from 65,66. As far as I'm concerned thank you women who wanted to work longer yes it's your fault without thinking if you had left it a lone at 60 yrs for your retirement it would have been better for all of us.
This is issue was addressed in the early part of the 90s, it was well broadcast at this time. Probably the only criticism that you could level at the scheme is that it was repeated often enough down the years.
The pensioners who had their pensions before 2016 had to pay 39 years national insurance for £156 per week while those retired after this date only got to do 35 years to get over £200 per week,where is the justice in that.
It was 30 years not 39.
If you’re a man you usually need:
30 qualifying years if you were born between 1945 and 1951
44 qualifying years if you were born before 1945
If you’re a woman you usually need:
30 qualifying years if you were born between 1950 and 1953
39 qualifying years if were born before 1950
If you have fewer than the full number of qualifying years, your basic State Pension will be less than £156.20 per week.@@Alignedwithmyself
To get the full basic State Pension you need a certain number of qualifying years of National Insurance.
If you’re a man you usually need:
30 qualifying years if you were born between 1945 and 1951
44 qualifying years if you were born before 1945
If you’re a woman you usually need:
30 qualifying years if you were born between 1950 and 1953
39 qualifying years if were born before 1950
If you have fewer than the full number of qualifying years, your basic State Pension will be less than £156.20 per week.@@Alignedwithmyself
Thank you Julia, women wanted equal rights well they have got them. Women live longer men should be complaining having to work 5 years longer.
The internet was in its infancy in 1995/6 and very few people had access to a computer. Hard to imagine now, I know, but it is the way tbings were nearly 30 years ago. So to say women should've googled it is ridiculous. There is also the fact that when there was SERPS on top of a basic state pension, men only had to pay £7 per credit but women had to pay £9 per credit to take account of the fact that they retired earlier so 1950s women were paying for their earlier pension. Women never got as much state pension as men as it was all on qualifying years. If you took an average woman's pension over her life and an average man's pension, men still had more in total than women. Men also got enrolled in company pensions whereas women weren't allowed to join a company pension scheme. Although the Gov claims they widely advertised the changes in 1995/6, it simply isn't true. They put it in papers like the Financial Times which they knew the average woman would not read. They claim they sent out hundreds of 1,000s of letters to women who were born up to 1953. There are about 3.8 million of us born in the 1950s . Anyone born 1954 onwards by the governments iwn admissiin were not notified. I only heard about thecage change when a friend reached 60 and asked how she could claim her pension and was told she couldn't. So I did a pension forecast and was told I had to be 64 and 10 months. A couple of months before I hit that age, I was told it was now my 66th birthday before I was entitled to anything. Another 14 months. We were penniless at the time and struggled on until my husband who is one year older than me got his pension at 65. This was so cruel and calculated by the gov who have no understanding of real life. I know they hate women and this is shown even more these days when they let any bloke in a skirt invade our spaces.
It's about the goalposts being changed after a lifetime of pension planning. You need to give people a LOT of notice if you're going to move the goalposts - else you leave them inporverished at retirement though no fault of their own.
They had 15 years notice......
It was forced on us by that wonderful EU that everybody still loves, and announced in 1995, so 29 years isn't long enough to realise?????????????
Well said. I wonder how many of the commentators here who seem to have a complete lack empathy have their pension plans mapped out. But even if they have, how will they react to having the goal posts suddenly moved ? Will they be happy to carry on working if they have a tough physical job, or if they are in poor health or have family in poor health. Will they be happy to curtail their expenditure on food,travel & entertainment for a few years ?
@@leninism100 they didn't. Many didn't know until weeks before.
@@madmartinline6 people born in the 50's were encouraged (even forced) to retire early. Many retired at 55, confident that they had enough personal savings to tide them over until age 60.
No chance of getting a job, no chance of benefits. Forced to live on savings that had been earmarked to supplement state pension.
I'm age 60 so it didn't impact me. I'm honestly not expecting to get a state pension - the state have proven that they''ll change the rules on a whim.
Men always knew their retirement age was going to be 65, and women would retire at 60! What's so difficult to understand?! BTW, watch the video of Gideon Osbourne stating......"it was such an easy way to save money" ! And he laughed whilst saying it, nasty person from a nasty government!!
Men need to bring a case which looks likely now for parity of age
Does that make the retirement age disparity (between men and women) ok then?
you seem to be the kind of deluded Leftist who thinks we enter into a literal contract with the government, and that somehow the government broke that contract with women.
@@jeffholt9437 .......it was the rules when the waspi ladies started working, blame the 'British' government.BTW, the Tory/ Lib Dem coalition announced in 2010 that the waspi ladies retirement age would be going up from 65 to 66 as from 2011! Doesn't sound like alot of notice to me!!!
@@vinparaffin6082 quite a few of us have seen our retirement age "drift" Vinn and, of course, we can blame the government. However, my comment was specifically around male / female retirement age. Given the drive for equal pay / equality, shouldn't men feel aggrieved that this aspect of equality took so long to be addressed and seek compensation for it?
Also, was the report correct that a notice period of 15 years was given before aligning the retirement ages of men / women?
Lots of women received state or war widow pensions based on their husband's contributions .
It was mandatory and written in the contract where I worked that all staff retired at 60 , women went straight on to state pensions but men had to find another job or claim unemployment to obtain the 39 years of N I , judging by the number of older women on the daily work commute many carried on working over 60
Women had 15 years warning. Anyone who retired without checking if they could collect their pension were foolish. Not the governments fault....
Sufficient notice is just before you sign the contract…
It will probably be like the post office saga, keep pushing it back.
I worked in prnsions all my life. Around 1995 women seeking equality with men reached a summit. So pay was equalised as were benefits as was the retirement age. Ignorance of changes in law are not an excuse. A letter was issued in 2012. I still have my late wifes letter from the DWP.
What these WASPI never appreciated was how a change of retirement age to accomodate equality would impact them.
TOUGH!
It is ludicrous for those planning to rely on the state pension for their retirement not to at least check on their entitlement based on their NI record in any case regardless of the changing age issue so yes the argument it disrupted their 'planning' is nonsense.
The retirement age for men and women should be 60
True, but it's irrelevant for my generation and the ones to follow because no one can afford to buy a house 15x the salary or pay rent that's 130% more than it used to be, so we will work to the grave literally
That would be nice. But that would mean importing millions of people on top of what we get already. It's a Ponzi scheme.
@@hoofhearted1102 the boomer generation will go down as the worst there has been.
In the name of equality they could have easily brought it down to 60 for men and women, why did it have to go up, do you know how much money they saved by raising women's pension age , billions!!
I have always thought that.
oh Julia .... the issue was these women were not told of the change in a timely manner. Giving them the chance to make arrangement... (my sister is an example of this) Please don't make this into a gender war as its nothing to do with gender......... alll to do with the establishment not communicating with the people their changes would impact....... Try speaking to one of these ladies to get a clearer understanding before trying to create an imaginary gender war ...... We have far too many of those going on at the moment . Peace out !!!!!
I agree. Thank you for bringing some sanity to the issue.There are a lot if mysogynists on here.
But that wouldn't make a good news story would it. Just reading the comments on here just proves how ignorant people are about the WASPI women's claim
Men has to work till they are 66. They are lying. I have a letter from dwp in 2015 that they sent me stated no retirement date I had asked for the date. There was no information sent to us.
I was born in 1950 and i had years of notice that i would have to work longer. I was notified that i could ask DHSS for my pension details around 5 or 6 years before i came to retiremeng age
So ignorance is no excuse to break the law, but ignorance of pension reform is an excuse to claim compensation?
Surprised at Julia's complete lack of empathy for people affected by the change of pension age.
The previous Labour Government had already moved womens pension age to 62 so actually a move to 65 was generally unexpected & not known 15 years beforehand !.My wife was born in 1954 & missed out getting her full pension at 62 yet friends just a few months older got theirs in full.Also Iam 8 years older than my wife & had retired at 65 expecting my wife to get her pension at 62 so quite a blow & little notice given. No holidays in the Bahamas for us ! Neither of us could go back to work with both elderly parents ill & about to pass away. & apart from social issues what about peoples financial commitments. We had banked on the pension my wife would have received paying off our mortgage on time.
To just see everything in black & white when there are so many variations in individuals circumstances is so wrong, hard hearted & lacks intellect.
We accept that the pension age must change but it should have been in fair slow transitional steps.
But that would have meant much harder work & thought than the Government & our poor civil servants could handle !
Well said.
They should drag the decision on for 30 years.