I hope this technology keeps evolving and adopted in the mainstream and the prices come down. I love my RV, but I will openly admit that typically, unless you want a tiny teardrop trailer - RV-ing still equals a heavy trailer and a V8 pickup. That leaves many folks out of what is a very enjoyable hobby.
This is a beautiful trailer and ground breaking tech. I love the idea of a battery that allows you to camp off grid without a generator, and helps you get there too. Also it’s big enough to power your house in a blackout, a huge bonus. Very exciting product!
I still don't know what's preventing EV battery trailers that implement some of those features to be a thing, either purchasable or rentable ones, so that long EV trips with some extra cargo don't become a range anxiety endeavor!...
I think this is a wonderful unit....and my $20K 19' travel trailer with 200amp LiFe batteries and 450watts of Solar panels seems just a bit more economical. We've traveled with it since 2015 and the money it has saved us by 'eating in' and boondocking is surprising. I suppose this would be a nice way to blow $100K....-Veteran '66-68
Finally, an RV trailer that can do it all. It only took like forever for this to happen lol. So glad there are others out there who feel the same as I do in regard to the ERV community. I welcome this and the other brands that will soon come.
Until you need to charge it worse yet need a new battery! EVs are not, the answer. Not if you care about the environment or slave labor. Never have been, never will be.
This is what travel trailers should be in the year 2023, but innovation in the RV industry sadly always seems to fizzle out. I hope this one doesn't though.
Next thing Pebble needs to solve is charging station layout. They need to either develop their own charging network that offers pull-through stations so you can charge your vehicle AND the RV at the same time via DC. Or work with companies like EA/EVgo/Tesla/Rivian/etc. to strategically add capable stalls to their new and existing sites. Doesn't need to be all of them, just ones that make sense. In my opinion, that will be the biggest barrier. I would probably need to charge twice on a 450 mile road trip. The convenience factor goes down exponentially If I can't actually charge the thing practically.
Tesla has already started adding pull through stations, due to the upcoming release of Cybertruck. They'll also be adding Tesla Semi stations (Megachargers) which will also likely accommodate trailered vehicles.
Me too! I've been thinking of these for the past 3 years now. Trailer companies need to start making trailers with batteries in a skateboard platform. They need to be able to plug into the rear of EVs to help provide more range while towing. Though, EV manufacturers will need to have another plug port placed at the rear of the vehicle for that. My thought would have two different lengths of trailer platforms. A shorter one for an open trailer bed used for hauling another car, landscaping and construction companies, an enclosed box trailer for hauling things, or a mini camper. Then a longer platform for bigger campers, horse trailers, or anything else. The extra weight of another larger battery would be a hindrance, but more range would still be provided. However, with innovations in battery technology happening quickly, lighter batteries like solid state will soon be here.
My greatest happiness is the gains I get consistently from my venture despite the business cycle. The U.S NFP is a key factor and knowing how to use it is very rewarding.
I like the idea of supplementing gas not replacing. Reducing the gas used to pull the trailer by having an electric motor trailer is smart. End of the day, if it runs out of electricity my truck can still pull it and I'm not worse off than normal. But best case scenario the panels keep the battery topped up and now the truck is using less gas to pull the thing. This is how things should be, not an impact to your life in a negative way the way but supplement to your life in a positive way. Kind of pricey though don't think you would recoup your money from gas savings on this thing, but might reduce wear and tear on the truck by having it pull less.
So, with all due respect, and while I fully understand your comment, but it makes no sense, because the plan is to eliminate the use of fossil fueled vehicles, which means that the plan is to replace all ICE vehicles. That’s the plan not to supplement it, but to completely eliminate the use of fossil fuels, otherwise, there is no future, and there is no planet B either. Capeesh. Cheers 🥂
Why would you need to move it at a camp ground unhitched? Just park it like you normally would and unhitch it from there. The remote controlled function would be ideal for your home or around storage locations.
most people engaging in an "RV" lifestyle are closer to retirement and have money to do things like this, and most of them aren't "rich", they just worked hard and planned for it. thats fine if you did not plan that way, but don't insult people who did.
@@protovack Most people who have a lot of money worked hard for it. In my opinion you're just insulting people who are successful enough to have a lot of money.
So you think maybe that’s because you practice? So what we’re talking about here is having no need to develop such skill, as anyone can hook up this trailer to a towing vehicle, no skills needed, as the trailer itself will be robotically hitched to the towing vehicle, and so I guess you missed that part. It should be noted, that it’s not just about hooking up to the towing vehicle, it’s about all the other amenities that come along with this type of trailer, and the fact that the one thing they didn’t mention in the video which amazes me that so few people seem to care about, is the impact on the environment or I should say the reduced impact on the environment, and don’t come at me with how we make batteries, because the industry is properly incentivize to find solutions, cut the cost of production by streamlining that whole process, and lessening the impact on the environment, and that’s exactly what innovation is all about, whereas burning fossil fuels, there is no innovation that can clean up that mess. So ICE is dead my friend, and it’s time folks like you get over it, because the world is moving on to a cleaner, greener, future, because it’s either that or you better start looking for another planet, and if you could find another planet, and you could get there, but take that same mentality to the new planet, that screwed up this one, what’s to stop you from doing the same thing to another planet? So no problem can be solved unless it’s first acknowledged, and then faced, and as James Baldwin famously said, “Not everything that is faced can be changed, but nothing can be changed until it is faced.” Capeesh. Cheers 🥂
@@theodorehaskins3756it takes very minimal skill especially with today’s back up cameras. Yeah, someone might have to try a couple times to figure it but for goodness sake, that’s life.
@@fowlplayoutdoors68 So with all due respect, why belabor the point? The point is there’s no need to learn that skill if the vehicle can connect and disconnect itself. The idea of an autonomous vehicle is the fact that it is autonomous. I mean why go to the moon? The answer for some of us maybe because it’s there, and we have the ability to go there. Cheers 🥂
There are so many problems here .... 1. Sleeping space over a Li-ion battery pack is a potential death trap. Is the battery pack equipped with heat/smoke alarms? 2. How is the battery cooled? 3. The nose wheel is too small for effective operation on dirt or gravel (this thing is for camping, right?) 4. The battery pack must be heavily armored against damage from road debris or uneven surfaces (not mentioned). 5. Batteries are heavy - vehicle weight not mentioned - the product should have 4 wheels, not two, for greater safety. 6. Tire load rating and quality are crucial, a blowout on any 2-wheel camper can be catastrophic and this one is heaviest in its class. 7. The driving dynamics of pulling a trailer that pushes weren't mentioned. A fifth-wheel setup is more stable because pushing force would be applied closer to the tow vehicle's center of mass. Pushing on the tow vehicle's bumper is inherently unstable. 8. Does it have regen braking? How would its regen braking sync with the tow vehicle's regen braking? 9. What is the federal and state legality of motive campers? Where is the developer in the homologation process? Thanks, CNET for the stenographic advert. You totally researched this one.
“Range Anxiety” Thats why people dont by electric cars, people have enough anxiety in their lives. I met somebody who towed their traileer behind their tesla from Quebec to outer banks NC, they had to stop and charge 13 times, that sucks. Price anxiety at the end, $109K for a travel trailer? I hope some of their ideas and innovations make it into RVs that the rest of us can afford. Larry
Wdym? Just like any car, measuring rotation of the driveshaft/wheel. The interesting part would be the balancing system/driving system. Does it only kick on after a certain speed? If it detects sudden side to side movement, does it just try to get both wheels to spin at same rpm (like stability control), etc etc. what’s the efficiency trade off per dead weight? What’s the weight of this (trailer) vs another one?
@@randomsanwhich2 ... So the car it is attached to must be a model that is able to give it data regarding changes in speed ... How many cars do that though?
I’m a full time RVer and would love it but I need more details about the interior, weight, water capacity, and storage capacity first. Does it come in a toy hauler? Starting at $109,000 isn’t terrible but it’s pricey like an Airstream so it better be built solidly. Oh and who can service it?
I saw this today at the LA Auto show and asked this exact question about service. None of their reps were able to answer it, I got the vibe that they haven't really thought of it. They were telling me all of their focus has just been on the product and bringing it to market. I get that, but not good to have no plans in place for service.
I rather get an electric van like 2 canoo vans and custom fit them for about the same price. You can live with it easier too. It drives and you are not limited to parking in a few places only because of towing regulations
@@dj4monie it's not whining. Is an observation. I'm just stating that more people want this product in a different configuration. That's an observation.
If hitching and backing are that difficult maybe a trailer is not for you. Plus crazy expensive. We have an Escape19 fiberglass trailer which tows just fine behind my ICE tow vehicle and I have never had "range anxiety" during our routine 500 mile travel days. All for 1/3 the cost!!
Starting price only $109,000 - with options say $150,000. Various brand new Class A motor homes are available in this price range - and no tow vehicle is required.
The tech is cool, but with modern backup cameras hitching is easy. Plus the trailer is really expensive, add in an expert EV and it nakes way more sense to get a normal luxury travel trailer and a diesel pickup truck where range anxiety doesn't exist, itll cost tens of thousands less per unit, and tow way more with a diesel. Its cool but impractical.
This is the 3rd variation of the self propelled RV trailer, room for all of them as long as the pricing and production rates can make a profitable and affordable variation.
I looked at the price. Over 100k. My father bought a brand new 4 bedrrom 2 1/2 bathroom house for 15k less than this when he was 2 years younger than my current age. Now 100k gets us a tiny pod on wheels. Most houses where I live are crappy shacks that are selling for 700k to over a mil. JFC wages stagnated and prices of everything skyrocketed.
It looks interesting, way out of my price range. But the automatic hitch hook up simply wouldn't work in many of the campsites where I go. Lots of national forest and state park campgrounds have uneven rocky and gravelly sites at the front wheels simply wouldn't move on.
Genial. Disadvantages of trailers of EVs change to their advanteges.👍👍👍I would suggest 1 improvement: solar panels could be foldable and while camping their area could be several times larger.
Cool to be able to park/fine tune rv position without tow vehicle. The range anxiety issue is a result of using a much less energy dense energy source/storage. Simply batteries dont have the energy density. It’s just physics. Example. My truck can tow 16k without a blink. With auxiliary tank I have 800 mile range. 15 minutes to gas up and boom another 800 miles. Leave the EV guy and his fancy trailer at the charging station while he sips a latte in his skinny jeans and man bun wondering if he is ever going to get to his destination. Another example applying great tech to wrong problem.
Not sure how these folks have overlooked the well known fact that you can't have a trailer push at all with our current ball and coupling hitch design. Once a trailer gets any side or forward motion, it over powers the vehicle and causes the vehicle to lose control. That is why there has been so much effort into designing anti-sway devices. But again this will not work if the trailer tries to push a vehicle at all. Can't wait for the dumpster file this will cause.
The trailer won’t push at all. Trailer brakes work to assist breaking via vehicle brake tip in. Doesn’t mean the trailer is ever pulling on the truck when it is braking. If a vehicle is using 250 HP to pull a trailer and itself up a grade, this trailer may assist 50-100 HP at that moment. In doing so the truck is still very much exerting a pulling force on the hitch - just not as much.
I LOVE IT! Sadly, when I am pulling my Adria Adora 572 with a Tesla Model X, I get the range cut by a half, meaning I have to charge for 50 minutes every 200km. Good thing is I can charge for free, but still this becomes a hustle too early during a trip.
I've never seen someone try so hard to explain why backing up to a trailer is 'just a hard physics problem'... like no sir.... it is not that difficult. If you can't get that part of it done, should you be concerned about having a 7k-pound self-propelled weight pushing your car around on the road--because THAT may be a hard physics problem. What happens when that thing hits a slick spot in the road or you get passed by a semi and it starts to wiggle a little? You still need a vehicle that can pull a trailer of this weight and not exceed the GCVWR. Perhaps a more useful addition would have been a battery pack in the trailer that connects via plug to extend the range on your EV. If you aren't pulling this with an EV, it makes no practical sense. Not that it makes a lot of sense anyway. There seem to be some very large safety considerations that no one is talking about.
I think they are missing a trick here with the solar panels. You should be able to get more than 1kw without adding weight. My impression is that the solar system is an after thought
Some people are living in RVs to survive. Maybe they can live in this fifth wheel while it's not being used, parked in the driveway of the owners' mansion.
Ok... so this is cool and all, but the hooking up a trailer to a hitch being hard got me. I'm pretty sure anyone in the market for this will have a backup camera... and if you can't hook up to a trailer with ease using a backup camera, we can't be friends.
$110k before tax...whatever benefits this brings can be mitigated with the surplus cash left from buying a traditional trailer. Mine was 25k so that leaves 90k to shore up the shortfalls.
Amazing concept but they should have done more research on top of the range caravans like Zone RV or Lotus that have a lot better tech than some of these features. Also this would never work off-road. Hopefully the next generations will be more refined!
An RV with these features MINUS the 1,000’s of pounds of batteries would be great. Take away the ridiculous ev part. Trucks are already going to the hitch with cameras/motors (for WAY cheaper/simpler). The idea of the RV sending energy out is great. The extra weight is a big deal though and will be hard on tires and is just ridiculous.
Good grief, they make it sound like backing up to attach a trailer is like going to the moon. “Very, very hard”. He said. No, it’s not and if you aren’t capable of such a simple task I’d feel much safer if you left towing to that are. Geez, my son was doing at 12.
Quickly run into range anxiety? Didn’t the results of the F150 basically show it’s incapable of towing things over distance unless you maintain a speed of 45-50mph? And even at those speeds the range was poor. Towing with an EV isn’t really a thing. What are you looking at … hundreds of potential customers out of 300 million people?
In concept this is a good idea but horrible in practice. That battery is going to go unused for long periods of times, when traveling you will now have 2 vehicles to worry about range and have to charge at DC fast chargers. All of these issues are before the way to high price. Ether just get a cheaper trailer and stop more often to charge or just buy an RV.
I hope this technology keeps evolving and adopted in the mainstream and the prices come down. I love my RV, but I will openly admit that typically, unless you want a tiny teardrop trailer - RV-ing still equals a heavy trailer and a V8 pickup. That leaves many folks out of what is a very enjoyable hobby.
This is a beautiful trailer and ground breaking tech. I love the idea of a battery that allows you to camp off grid without a generator, and helps you get there too. Also it’s big enough to power your house in a blackout, a huge bonus. Very exciting product!
I still don't know what's preventing EV battery trailers that implement some of those features to be a thing, either purchasable or rentable ones, so that long EV trips with some extra cargo don't become a range anxiety endeavor!...
Good thing they showed us inside for more then three milliseconds
I think this is a wonderful unit....and my $20K 19' travel trailer with 200amp LiFe batteries and 450watts of Solar panels seems just a bit more economical. We've traveled with it since 2015 and the money it has saved us by 'eating in' and boondocking is surprising. I suppose this would be a nice way to blow $100K....-Veteran '66-68
Finally, an RV trailer that can do it all. It only took like forever for this to happen lol. So glad there are others out there who feel the same as I do in regard to the ERV community. I welcome this and the other brands that will soon come.
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It’s actually a good deal in comparison to an AirStream. Probably about the same price and a lot more perks.
Except Airstreams are also over priced.
@@fowlplayoutdoors68airstreams are easier to fix though. This thing? I doubt it.
Until you need to charge it worse yet need a new battery! EVs are not, the answer. Not if you care about the environment or slave labor. Never have been, never will be.
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I will never, have that kind of money.
Damn. I just thought of this yesterday and wanted to design/make it. I was 3 years late to get the idea! Lol well done pebble. 100%
This is similar to the Lightship L1 travel trailer. Both use EV technology and solar.
This is what travel trailers should be in the year 2023, but innovation in the RV industry sadly always seems to fizzle out. I hope this one doesn't though.
Next thing Pebble needs to solve is charging station layout. They need to either develop their own charging network that offers pull-through stations so you can charge your vehicle AND the RV at the same time via DC. Or work with companies like EA/EVgo/Tesla/Rivian/etc. to strategically add capable stalls to their new and existing sites. Doesn't need to be all of them, just ones that make sense. In my opinion, that will be the biggest barrier. I would probably need to charge twice on a 450 mile road trip. The convenience factor goes down exponentially If I can't actually charge the thing practically.
imagine riding cross country in the tesla or rivian truck and never having to stop for a charge!
Tesla has already started adding pull through stations, due to the upcoming release of Cybertruck. They'll also be adding Tesla Semi stations (Megachargers) which will also likely accommodate trailered vehicles.
why would you need a charging station with this??@@jamesreichert
This is exactly one of the ideas I pitched in my digital transformation class and promised would arise at some point
Me too! I've been thinking of these for the past 3 years now. Trailer companies need to start making trailers with batteries in a skateboard platform. They need to be able to plug into the rear of EVs to help provide more range while towing. Though, EV manufacturers will need to have another plug port placed at the rear of the vehicle for that.
My thought would have two different lengths of trailer platforms. A shorter one for an open trailer bed used for hauling another car, landscaping and construction companies, an enclosed box trailer for hauling things, or a mini camper. Then a longer platform for bigger campers, horse trailers, or anything else.
The extra weight of another larger battery would be a hindrance, but more range would still be provided. However, with innovations in battery technology happening quickly, lighter batteries like solid state will soon be here.
@@jeffs6090 right? Makes so much sense. Won’t be long before you see a smart towing a huge RV
My greatest happiness is the gains I get consistently from my venture despite the business cycle. The U.S NFP is a key factor and knowing how to use it is very rewarding.
ECS still delivers a very good yield despite the downturn affecting the whole world.
Great content and I thank you for breaking it down. Even with the current rate, I'm still Glad I can smile back at my portfolio being built weekly.
HOW? I know it's possible? I would appreciate if you show me how to go about it.
I like the idea of supplementing gas not replacing. Reducing the gas used to pull the trailer by having an electric motor trailer is smart. End of the day, if it runs out of electricity my truck can still pull it and I'm not worse off than normal. But best case scenario the panels keep the battery topped up and now the truck is using less gas to pull the thing. This is how things should be, not an impact to your life in a negative way the way but supplement to your life in a positive way. Kind of pricey though don't think you would recoup your money from gas savings on this thing, but might reduce wear and tear on the truck by having it pull less.
So, with all due respect, and while I fully understand your comment, but it makes no sense, because the plan is to eliminate the use of fossil fueled vehicles, which means that the plan is to replace all ICE vehicles.
That’s the plan not to supplement it, but to completely eliminate the use of fossil fuels, otherwise, there is no future, and there is no planet B either. Capeesh. Cheers 🥂
Pricey yes, but there are many RVs that cost as much or more without the modern tech.
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I can see that small hitch wheel moving easily at the campground site….
I doubt the target audience goes to campgrounds.
Why would you need to move it at a camp ground unhitched? Just park it like you normally would and unhitch it from there. The remote controlled function would be ideal for your home or around storage locations.
Whoa this is impressive!
This is beautiful, and a excellent idea. Also a good price.❤😊
Will never see the road. This is merely a concept designed to attract VC.
For the price this costs, just rent a mansion wherever you wanna go.
You won't have the same ability. Man people are more than stupid. You go camping for a reason. You are free to pay for some overpriced Airbnb mansion.
For 125 grand you can get a really nice RV
For that price, you might as well get a luxury RV, or get a decent RV and have money left over to spend it on whatever you want.
They just focused on the battery and drivetrain. Showed zero of the inside. Why?
Yeah, I can't see this making sense unless you're taking it away like every weekend.
This gives "chestnuts roast on a open fire" a whole new meaning. Hope you like your nuts microwaved well done! 🤣
gives me an Eggman Vibe, awesome!
It's looks amazing
The front needs some metal protection from rocks kicking up from the tow rig. Otherwise that large window will get cracked.
The minute some brush kicks up against that shell their target audience will flip out. This thing's a proof of concept only.
Just like a high-end electric vehicle, this is very obvious for rich people. Very cool.
most people engaging in an "RV" lifestyle are closer to retirement and have money to do things like this, and most of them aren't "rich", they just worked hard and planned for it. thats fine if you did not plan that way, but don't insult people who did.
@@protovack Most people who have a lot of money worked hard for it. In my opinion you're just insulting people who are successful enough to have a lot of money.
@@hermanjohnson9180 where did i say that? I said they have enough money to buy an RV.
There's always a product whose target audience just has way too much money than they know what to do with it...
Implications for boat trailers, toy haulers etc possibly even mobile home platforms.
Another “affordable” luxury trailer for the top 1%
Way better options at that price
Been doing hitch-ups for 100 years, for those with some skill it isnt difficult
So you think maybe that’s because you practice?
So what we’re talking about here is having no need to develop such skill, as anyone can hook up this trailer to a towing vehicle, no skills needed, as the trailer itself will be robotically hitched to the towing vehicle, and so I guess you missed that part.
It should be noted, that it’s not just about hooking up to the towing vehicle, it’s about all the other amenities that come along with this type of trailer, and the fact that the one thing they didn’t mention in the video which amazes me that so few people seem to care about, is the impact on the environment or I should say the reduced impact on the environment, and don’t come at me with how we make batteries, because the industry is properly incentivize to find solutions, cut the cost of production by streamlining that whole process, and lessening the impact on the environment, and that’s exactly what innovation is all about, whereas burning fossil fuels, there is no innovation that can clean up that mess.
So ICE is dead my friend, and it’s time folks like you get over it, because the world is moving on to a cleaner, greener, future, because it’s either that or you better start looking for another planet, and if you could find another planet, and you could get there, but take that same mentality to the new planet, that screwed up this one, what’s to stop you from doing the same thing to another planet?
So no problem can be solved unless it’s first acknowledged, and then faced, and as James Baldwin famously said, “Not everything that is faced can be changed, but nothing can be changed until it is faced.” Capeesh. Cheers 🥂
@@theodorehaskins3756it takes very minimal skill especially with today’s back up cameras. Yeah, someone might have to try a couple times to figure it but for goodness sake, that’s life.
@@fowlplayoutdoors68 So with all due respect, why belabor the point? The point is there’s no need to learn that skill if the vehicle can connect and disconnect itself. The idea of an autonomous vehicle is the fact that it is autonomous. I mean why go to the moon? The answer for some of us maybe because it’s there, and we have the ability to go there. Cheers 🥂
🤣….ok, groomer
@@poolmonkey7479 I’m curious as to what you think you mean.
Beat me to it. I was thinking about building a project like this but happy to see someone else has the same idea. Nice work :)
109,000 THESE PEOPLE ARE INSANE
There are so many problems here ....
1. Sleeping space over a Li-ion battery pack is a potential death trap. Is the battery pack equipped with heat/smoke alarms?
2. How is the battery cooled?
3. The nose wheel is too small for effective operation on dirt or gravel (this thing is for camping, right?)
4. The battery pack must be heavily armored against damage from road debris or uneven surfaces (not mentioned).
5. Batteries are heavy - vehicle weight not mentioned - the product should have 4 wheels, not two, for greater safety.
6. Tire load rating and quality are crucial, a blowout on any 2-wheel camper can be catastrophic and this one is heaviest in its class.
7. The driving dynamics of pulling a trailer that pushes weren't mentioned. A fifth-wheel setup is more stable because pushing force would be applied closer to the tow vehicle's center of mass. Pushing on the tow vehicle's bumper is inherently unstable.
8. Does it have regen braking? How would its regen braking sync with the tow vehicle's regen braking?
9. What is the federal and state legality of motive campers? Where is the developer in the homologation process?
Thanks, CNET for the stenographic advert. You totally researched this one.
“Range Anxiety” Thats why people dont by electric cars, people have enough anxiety in their lives. I met somebody who towed their traileer behind their tesla from Quebec to outer banks NC, they had to stop and charge 13 times, that sucks. Price anxiety at the end, $109K for a travel trailer? I hope some of their ideas and innovations make it into RVs that the rest of us can afford. Larry
How does it predict the speed of the vehicle while on the road?
Speed sensor on the drivetrain.
Wdym? Just like any car, measuring rotation of the driveshaft/wheel.
The interesting part would be the balancing system/driving system.
Does it only kick on after a certain speed?
If it detects sudden side to side movement, does it just try to get both wheels to spin at same rpm (like stability control), etc etc.
what’s the efficiency trade off per dead weight?
What’s the weight of this (trailer) vs another one?
@@L3uX it’s a prototype, I don’t think the designers know yet.
@@randomsanwhich2 ... So the car it is attached to must be a model that is able to give it data regarding changes in speed ... How many cars do that though?
@@randomsanwhich2 Well yeah, those are just the questions I'm wondering.
Airstream is developing one as well. It could be cheaper since it’s smaller.
I’m a full time RVer and would love it but I need more details about the interior, weight, water capacity, and storage capacity first. Does it come in a toy hauler? Starting at $109,000 isn’t terrible but it’s pricey like an Airstream so it better be built solidly. Oh and who can service it?
Airstream is made by Thor now, they were bought out a few years ago. They are complete garbage now like every other camper
I'm guessing start with an electrician 😂
I saw this today at the LA Auto show and asked this exact question about service. None of their reps were able to answer it, I got the vibe that they haven't really thought of it. They were telling me all of their focus has just been on the product and bringing it to market. I get that, but not good to have no plans in place for service.
I rather get an electric van like 2 canoo vans and custom fit them for about the same price. You can live with it easier too. It drives and you are not limited to parking in a few places only because of towing regulations
This should have been done with regular trailers first. They would have been able to sell out quickly.
Why don't you get to work on retrofitting older and even new units being produced?
Whining on CZcams is senseless.
Absolutely!
@@dj4monie it's not whining. Is an observation. I'm just stating that more people want this product in a different configuration. That's an observation.
$110,000 USD starting price...Ummmm Think I'd rather buy a (800 sqf) House with that cash...they can keep the trailer.
@@kyleklmondwa9042 and where can you buy a house for that price? My Southern California home would like a word with that region. Lol
Tree Huggers dream come true! That's F'ing crazy!
Pretty cool! How does it do being trailered by an EV down the mountain pass?
Rivian should partner with them and they can capture the EV trailer market together
Not sure about the see through bathroom, uh, but the rest is very nice.
With a touch of a button, you can turn the glass opauqe!
Great concept, useful tech now they need to think beyond style to useable style while actually boon docking.
If hitching and backing are that difficult maybe a trailer is not for you. Plus crazy expensive. We have an Escape19 fiberglass trailer which tows just fine behind my ICE tow vehicle and I have never had "range anxiety" during our routine 500 mile travel days. All for 1/3 the cost!!
that's elitist. why shouldn't as many people as possible have accessibility options when it comes to camping and using a trailer?
@@ikhares Elitist? What's elitist is the crazy price. Almost the price of a home in parts of some states.
Yep…for a piece o’ crap
Lining up a trailer hitch isn't that difficult. Its a skill. Like anything you need to get good. And practice
Starting price only $109,000 - with options say $150,000. Various brand new Class A motor homes are available in this price range - and no tow vehicle is required.
The tech is cool, but with modern backup cameras hitching is easy. Plus the trailer is really expensive, add in an expert EV and it nakes way more sense to get a normal luxury travel trailer and a diesel pickup truck where range anxiety doesn't exist, itll cost tens of thousands less per unit, and tow way more with a diesel. Its cool but impractical.
Nakes? You mean makes right
This is the 3rd variation of the self propelled RV trailer, room for all of them as long as the pricing and production rates can make a profitable and affordable variation.
Pricing will remain high until competition starts to force lower prices
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Honestly for 110k I’m surprised it’s that nice
I looked at the price. Over 100k. My father bought a brand new 4 bedrrom 2 1/2 bathroom house for 15k less than this when he was 2 years younger than my current age. Now 100k gets us a tiny pod on wheels. Most houses where I live are crappy shacks that are selling for 700k to over a mil. JFC wages stagnated and prices of everything skyrocketed.
Every Hollywood movie set should have a fleet😮
190k usd pays many many days of rent of hotels/summer houses all around the globe… (with zero maintenance fees).
At the price that would sell for, does not it make sense to rather rent a holiday place with a proper (non public) bathroom?
I can buy this or stay over 1,000 nights in hotels. hmmm...
This is amazing..for the rich.
Yes, tech bro hipsters will enjoy it, but I don't see mass market appeal.
Guess you haven’t looked at trailer prices. This is actually less than the Airstreams
I made comments in the past to resolve EV towing was assisted trailers and now here we are!
I also said we needed new things to resolve problems in the past and now here we are!
They just RVed for the first time a couple years ago........and it shows.
It looks interesting, way out of my price range. But the automatic hitch hook up simply wouldn't work in many of the campsites where I go. Lots of national forest and state park campgrounds have uneven rocky and gravelly sites at the front wheels simply wouldn't move on.
109 TTHOUSAND HE SAID? 😂😂😂😂
Genial. Disadvantages of trailers of EVs change to their advanteges.👍👍👍I would suggest 1 improvement: solar panels could be foldable and while camping their area could be several times larger.
maybe double decked panels that a lower section slidesout for stationary deployment.
great vibe. Solves for MPG and also MPGE
With the ev assist, what does it reduce the required towing capacity of the towing vehicle?
that'll be 1.2 million please
he says $109K at the end
Cool to be able to park/fine tune rv position without tow vehicle. The range anxiety issue is a result of using a much less energy dense energy source/storage. Simply batteries dont have the energy density. It’s just physics. Example. My truck can tow 16k without a blink. With auxiliary tank I have 800 mile range. 15 minutes to gas up and boom another 800 miles. Leave the EV guy and his fancy trailer at the charging station while he sips a latte in his skinny jeans and man bun wondering if he is ever going to get to his destination. Another example applying great tech to wrong problem.
A future electrical nightmare starting at a low price of $109k
If Woody Allen remade Sleeper in 2023, this contraption could serve as both his trailer on the set and the inspiration for the revised Orgasmatron
sort of looks like the domesticon van.
pretty cool !
Soon, it will become a self-driving RV that tows vehicles, instead.
I bet its fun to drive in icy conditions, just call it the 200k jackknife edition
Only $109K?? I'll take 3!!
Not sure how these folks have overlooked the well known fact that you can't have a trailer push at all with our current ball and coupling hitch design. Once a trailer gets any side or forward motion, it over powers the vehicle and causes the vehicle to lose control. That is why there has been so much effort into designing anti-sway devices. But again this will not work if the trailer tries to push a vehicle at all. Can't wait for the dumpster file this will cause.
The trailer won’t push at all. Trailer brakes work to assist breaking via vehicle brake tip in. Doesn’t mean the trailer is ever pulling on the truck when it is braking. If a vehicle is using 250 HP to pull a trailer and itself up a grade, this trailer may assist 50-100 HP at that moment. In doing so the truck is still very much exerting a pulling force on the hitch - just not as much.
I'm not seeing any provisions or mention of a weight distribution hitch? Is there room on the tounge?
Hmmmm I'm guessing they overlooked how to skirt this thing.... for a 109k you aren't going to be drilling snap holes that's for sure....
RVing done by someone with no experience RVing😂
MF really went camping once and was like "I need a Tesla trailer"
So it's a giant powerbank.
For $80,000 you can buy a Bigfoot 25’ 4 season travel trailer save 25 grand and have one of the best made Travel trailers in the world.
I LOVE IT! Sadly, when I am pulling my Adria Adora 572 with a Tesla Model X, I get the range cut by a half, meaning I have to charge for 50 minutes every 200km. Good thing is I can charge for free, but still this becomes a hustle too early during a trip.
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I've never seen someone try so hard to explain why backing up to a trailer is 'just a hard physics problem'... like no sir.... it is not that difficult. If you can't get that part of it done, should you be concerned about having a 7k-pound self-propelled weight pushing your car around on the road--because THAT may be a hard physics problem. What happens when that thing hits a slick spot in the road or you get passed by a semi and it starts to wiggle a little? You still need a vehicle that can pull a trailer of this weight and not exceed the GCVWR. Perhaps a more useful addition would have been a battery pack in the trailer that connects via plug to extend the range on your EV. If you aren't pulling this with an EV, it makes no practical sense. Not that it makes a lot of sense anyway. There seem to be some very large safety considerations that no one is talking about.
I think they are missing a trick here with the solar panels. You should be able to get more than 1kw without adding weight. My impression is that the solar system is an after thought
Some people are living in RVs to survive. Maybe they can live in this fifth wheel while it's not being used, parked in the driveway of the owners' mansion.
All things considered that’s not a bad price
Ok... so this is cool and all, but the hooking up a trailer to a hitch being hard got me. I'm pretty sure anyone in the market for this will have a backup camera... and if you can't hook up to a trailer with ease using a backup camera, we can't be friends.
Hooking up is a hard thing to do? Maybe if it emptied the black tank on its own then I’d check it out lol.
Great idea!
$110k before tax...whatever benefits this brings can be mitigated with the surplus cash left from buying a traditional trailer. Mine was 25k so that leaves 90k to shore up the shortfalls.
It’s cheaper than I was expecting.
"We finally fixed the problem of an EV towing a camper and using up its batteries."
How?
"By putting more batteries in the camper."
But does a horse push or pull a cart is the big question?
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Amazing concept but they should have done more research on top of the range caravans like Zone RV or Lotus that have a lot better tech than some of these features. Also this would never work off-road. Hopefully the next generations will be more refined!
Very nice. Good stuff, folks.
An RV with these features MINUS the 1,000’s of pounds of batteries would be great. Take away the ridiculous ev part. Trucks are already going to the hitch with cameras/motors (for WAY cheaper/simpler). The idea of the RV sending energy out is great. The extra weight is a big deal though and will be hard on tires and is just ridiculous.
Sure seems like a lot of resources are being harvested to go green 😂
Can an Aptera Pull it
definitely something to have for the zombie apocalypse
Good grief, they make it sound like backing up to attach a trailer is like going to the moon. “Very, very hard”. He said. No, it’s not and if you aren’t capable of such a simple task I’d feel much safer if you left towing to that are. Geez, my son was doing at 12.
wow! I like it.
This seems like an achievable purchase...
Quickly run into range anxiety? Didn’t the results of the F150 basically show it’s incapable of towing things over distance unless you maintain a speed of 45-50mph?
And even at those speeds the range was poor.
Towing with an EV isn’t really a thing. What are you looking at … hundreds of potential customers out of 300 million people?
and then TFLEV did a test with the Silverado and found it quite workable at excessive speeds too.
Not sure 200k would cover the MPG savings.
"range anxiety" :)
I really like it. It's has to be pretty heavy
In concept this is a good idea but horrible in practice. That battery is going to go unused for long periods of times, when traveling you will now have 2 vehicles to worry about range and have to charge at DC fast chargers. All of these issues are before the way to high price. Ether just get a cheaper trailer and stop more often to charge or just buy an RV.
Can it capture regen during braking or on downhill slopes?
Yes!
@@PebbleLife Awesome!
Yes, it's only starting at $109,000.