Keep in mind that the HK USP .45 is 21 years old and we are comparing it with a gun from late 2012-early 2013. FN has had 17 years to improve on the HK USP's design and has failed to do so in many respects. Trigger design on the FN is inferior, build quality is cheaper and the finish is inferior. No one should EVER have to take a slipstone to a $1,000 pistol slide to address unfinished, extremely sharp edges and potentially ruining the finish and causing the potential for rust spots. As for capacity, FN is 17 years newer, of course its going to have a better standard capacity. But that's not a problem for the USP though when there are 20 +1 mags available. HK design came out before the picatinny rails were standard. The replaceable slide rails are a new feature. There was no such thing as replaceable back straps for any pistol when the HK USP was designed. Overall, I'm an HK guy. I had both pistols, but sold the FN to get another HK USP .45. lol
I also had both pistols, the HK USP is a higher quality pistol but the FN is not far behind, to me the USP feels better in the hand then the FN, both are very large pistols but the FN has a hollow feeling to it and rub my middle finger raw when shooting it. if you cant own both pistols, I would go with the HK.
They cut that many corners to increase their profit margin then it doesn't matter, my guess is they cut other things that aren't obvious. On top of that, this is a pistol review and he said the FN didn't cycle with the suppressor. I have an FN and a suppressor and that is only true if you are shoot light load ammo, like a hollow point. Jeez, this guy must be on HK's payroll.
Had the pleasure of shooting both of these guns last week side by side and I can honestly say that both are good guns but the H&K USP 45 Tactical was more soft shooting and controllable. The H&K frame felt more solid in my opinion as well. It was my first time shooting a 45acp so I'm not praising or bashing either brand, just stating my experience.
Thank you for this very decisive review and comparison and letting us know which one you felt was better, not all channels do this even when their video is called x vs. Y, they wont actually say which gun they feel is better and the video because a commercial for both guns with the uploader just saying "they're both and its your preference." Thanks for making a decision! Awesome job
15 round capacity, factory night sights, and red dot ready are some pretty significant features. All the reviews I've read state the Fnx is also very accurate and reliable. I know the HK Usp tactical has close to a legendary reputation though. I wonder how reliable the Fnx is if wet, sandy, very cold etc compared to the HK.
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Red dot meh its cool but you can get one on a usp if you really wanted it. The usp has night sights on the le model and the hk has 13 rounds which isnt a slouch they also have 18 and 20 round mags you can buy making the fnx obsolete
@@lukerodgers1980 i dunno man. I have both and while the FNX has the better ergonomics, the USP operates smoother and more reliably. Out of the box I had to have the magazine release corrected by FN, and until now the magazines do not drop consistently. Yes the USP has no RMR option, or ambidextrous slide stop, but since day one it never gave me the same issues that the FNX did. I love both for different reasons, but I’ll stake my life on the HK.
Nathaniel Harris II I didn't watch the video yet but but I own both firearms and the hk45 and neither of the HKs are more accurate than the fnx45, in order of accuracy I rate the fnx best the hk45 2nd and the usp third.
Accuracy depends on the people who shoots the gun, not because he says one is better than the other. I have HK45 and FNX45 and i seem to be more accurate on the FNX.
The build quality on HK brand is just phenomenal. I've had mine for years, and put it through hell! never had one misfire, or issue. I've never owned an FNX but I'm curious to see if it could stand to what i put the USP through.
My logic on the 12 rounds vs. 15... A lot of people say it's better to have the extra 3 rounds. However, if you are in a situation where you can't get it done with 12, you probably won't get it done with 15 either.
FirearmTutorials .com these pistols for most people are not conceal carry pistols. With that being said if there to be used it could very likely be done in a situation where multiple mags are used and emptied. The more magazines you have the larger the capacity gap is. More is more period. With that being said for most people like myself we don’t carry guns like this and we will hopefully never be in that situation
I dont know why some folks keep thinking the fnx wont handle +p+. Tell that to the box of buffalo bore and .450 smc I ran down the pipe. Definately a good side arm for bear or hogzilla with the right rounds..
Everyone always defaults to the "firepower" argument when comparing weapons. The USP45 mags will easily hold 13-14 rounds; however, for the sake of reliable performance, HK officially markets the mag capacity as 12 to prevent unnecessary wear on the mag springs. FN has had all kinds of performance issues with their line of pistols emanating largely from feeding problems. Also, if you want to see firearms engineering at its finest, take a hard look at the USP's recoil spring assembly compared to other polymer pistols. It's in a class of its own. There's a reason the USP has been in service (i.e., military) for as long as it has. Very few weapon designs have earned a legacy like the HK USP line of pistols. You have to hold and shoot one to understand.
+Wells Bibo USP 45 mags only hold 12 rounds. You can try and crush one in there, but it's still not going to fit. And, as they say these days, pics or it didn't happen.
with the HK you can get different detent plates so you can customize if you want or dont want one at all are the safety, decocker. And there are aftermarket 20 rd magazines for HK.
You don't even need to make it ambidextrous, It's better to just to get the left hand or right hand variant. It's more personal and less annoying when actuating the safety and you feel it touch your hand on the other side. But... Both guns to me are ridiculously over priced.
@@peasantsarerevolting9343 Maybe its an grip issue? The ambidextrous safety on either of these doesn't bother me. Plus you may end up having to shoot with your weak hand. What are you going to do if you don't ahve a safety lever on that side? Maybe the USP-T is over priced because it only comes with the white dot iron sights and is not optics ready. But the FNX-T presents the most value. Optics ready, Suppressor height night sights are all extra features. The Glock MOS doesn't offer a threaded barrel with suppressor height night sights.
@@touofthehighplains The issue I have is big hands, and it's only when decocking the hammer the safety lever on the other side hits my index finger knuckle. I do like HK's philosophy of get what you need, but that's just me. And yes, your right, if I needed to use my non-dominant hand it would pose a problem. But with the use of only one hand and with a gun suited for that hand, it could still be an issue, especially if the gun isn't loaded and with no round in the chamber. I have no doubt these are capable, well engineered guns but I personally feel people are just paying for the names. I purchased an HK 45T a while back. It was assembled in Columbus Georgia, not Germany. The serial numbers on the slide, barrel, and frame did not match. The FN only has one serial number and it's on the frame. It was made in Columbia SC, not Belgian. The prices they're charging for these guns are as if they came from the countries of these companies origins. That's the only reason why I think it's hard for me to justify the prices.
I've had them both, and currently still have the FNX. I shoot the FNX better than I ever did with the USP45T, but there are a few things that I've noticed between the two that makes me trust the HK more. The stupid amount of flex in the FNX frame. Maybe it contributes to the softer recoil (in my hands)but it is crazy how much you can squeeze the grip to deform the magwell. I haven't had any issues yet, but I could see there being issues with the mags dropping due to someone's deathgrip on the FNX. The finish. It is sub-par, IMHO, on the FN, especially for a $700 (base model). It definitely has a cheaper feel to it, kind of like comparing a PPQ and a VP9. The FN and Walther are great guns, but they feel cheaply made compared to their HK counterparts.
Seems like a bad batch, talk to FN because i've heard they fucked up the polymer on a few batches. Because i can tell you i can squeeze the magwell on both my real FNX and the airsoft one and neither flex at all no matter how hard i try
I just noticed that my USP45T has a little amount slide-to-frame play, while my USP9 Expert has no such play at all. How is the slide-to-frame fit on your USP45T? Thank you.
Are you sure it's the frame and not the barrel lock up? The barrel on the Expert is much different than the rest of the USP line. Notice how polished the barrel hood is? I've heard they are "hand fitted" at the factory. Not sure how true that is. Either way it has all the makings of a true "match" pistol vs. a really good pistol in the USP-T.
Excellent side-by-side comparison. I have been mulling over which of the two to buy and I think your review is fair. I don't think my decision is any easier after seeing this though. Still leaning towards the HK I guess.
By the way I have a question that maybe someone on here can help me out with. I looked up Tactical barrels for the HK USP 45 and its slightly different than my barrel. Appears to have an o-ring, but other than that it looks like it could drop right in to my regular USP's slide. So can anyone tell me that if i do buy that barrel, can I just change it out with my regular barrel without any modification to the slide? TIA...
Can anyone give me an opinion on which of these you would get if the HK was substantially cheaper where i live? Its almost half the price but i still love the look of the FN! Cheers
aaron mccloskey I vote HK. Is it the USP Tactical, or a normal USP? The tactical shares design similarities with the MK23 that the standard USP does not
The slide “release” is actually a “slide lock,” not a “release.” People use it as a release all of the time, but it ruins the metals on the gun (rounds off the slide and the lock), and it’s counterintuitive. Great side-by-side video, very good to see them next to each other.
This. You can release the slide with your thumb if you want to look tacticool but for real training and use that's not what it's for and not how it's used.
I don't know how they are now, but my USP in 06 came in a zippered case with modular velcro pouches to hold the pistol (buckled in), both mags, a can storage, and another pouch for whatever else. All that said, that case sits in a corner somewhere and is a non factor anyway. I'm guessing maybe they've cheapened it out over the years.
The purpose of the slide STOP is to lock the slide back on the last round or to manually lock the slide to the rear while pushing UP on the slide stop (by looking at it it's designed to be pushed up, not down). Understanding this will she'd some light as to why the lever is smaller on the FNX, thus less intrusive, and a better design.
Some mis-informed individual commented on how the FNX will not be manufactured after 10 years. FN Herstal just got awarded the military contract to supply the M4 to our military. The only reason why glocks, sigs, and even HK's are more popular is because those brands have a large commercial presence and focuses more of their business towards that sector. FN has been supplying and focusing on military contracts. FN has a long lineage of making reliable firearms. They even had John Moses Browning on the payroll at one point. HK like Colt is having financial issues and will soon cease to exist. That is unless someone will buy them out. FN on the other hand is not only here to stay, but will be taking the market by storm. Matter of fact, some of the most innovative and baddest rifles are already being manufactured by FN (Scar). Their line is pistols is no exception. So a lot of you need to do your homework before continuing to be objective and riding solely on one brand that's popular and the only one that you know. Otherwise, good video comparison.
I disagree. HK leaving the firearm industry would be like losing Ferrari in the car industry. HK has also been just as big a player in the military sector as FN and commercial sales have always been an afterthought.
70% of the small arms in the world's largest and most advanced military all come from one company; not Colt, not HK, but FN. John Moses Browning could have worked anywhere in the world, but instead made 60-some odd trips across the Atlantic to work at FN, which still owns the majority of his patents. I owned a USP Tactical 45 at one point. It was never all that reliable for me, the trigger crappy enough that I went from the HK to a Glock and considered it an improvement. Plus the recoil assembly gouged material out of the frame until you could see the serial number plate from the inside of the frame. But what perturbed me the most was the HK solidly refused to service the pistol. So I was a fan of HK until I actually owned an HK. Now, not so much. I'll take the FN.
@@MTMILITIAMAN7.62 Sorry, that's just not true. John Moses Browning lucked into the FN deal. He only truly went to work for FN because Winchester sat on the auto-5 long gun for years first (just a single contract before that). He was out of options for manufacturers in the US (which is a condition of the market segmentation that he created by selling his patent rights to them outright, instead of licensing: Colt for pistols and Winchester for long guns.). I love the history around John Browning, and while he was an American hero, he wasn't perfect and the world didn't think he was either at the time.
not sure why you gave the "durability" to HK, since FNX is a stainless steel slide, and HK is just plain old carbon steel, meaning it will rust if not taken care of where FN will never rust or pit, even if scratched or when coating gets rubbed off. I know you tried to be fair, but some of your criteria was a little wacky when picking the winner of each category.
The nitrocarburizing process treats the bare metal underneath the HK. Even if you rub off the black oxide to expose bare, shiny metal (like holster wear), it's still protected. I would say most modern processes are about the same; Tennifer (not Tennifer in the States anymore, of course, because of the cyanide environmental regulations), Melonite, Nitron... It's all the same case-hardening principal. Some of his pros/cons are personal preference, as with anything in life.
The only way to settle this is to run 20,000 rounds of +P suppressed through each and check the durability and reliability. Afterall thats what they are designed for
So if you like a bunch of extra stuff in an ergonomic package the FN is for you. If you want a better pistol where it counts the Hk has no equals. Heavy is the head that wears the crown. I'll take my USP-T over any other tactical pistol on the market any day of the week, and that's including it's two younger brothers I also own the Hk45T and Hk45CT.
What sights are on the USP? And is that front sight available alone? I think it would work better as a front sight than the front sight Meprolight ships with their set. It looks like Trijicon but I can't find a tall USP front sight from Trijicon!
They are actually Ameriglo. You can by the front separate which a lot of people do. I you get the rear, make sure you get the .475 and .450 ones. Thanks for watching.
GearCheck 101 I meant to say the .457 and NOT the .450. The adjustable meps are probably the best adjustable ones. I've broken the stock HK ones before.
Really? The stock ones seem to have finer adjustment. Lpa also make a white dotted set. .475? I'm going to try the ameriglo tactical front and mepro rear.
I bought the .450 height and was shooting about 3" low at 7 yards. I replaced them with the .475s and I was golden. The thing I hate about the blacked out HK ones is that the rear blade is a separate piece. I dropped my USP-SD and it broke! The adjustable meps aren't like that. More durable in my opinion.
LOL. The debate is hardly over. You can get as much capacity as you want if you're willing to take a freakishly oversized pistol. The FNX has 15 rounds of 45, but in the same exact form factor you could easily get a pistol that holds 20-21 rounds of 9mm. There's really no way around this, it's a mathematical certainty. Given the same form factor, 9 mm will always have greater capacity than 45.
Nope. Not a rookie. I think it was just because the gun was brand new. If I left the slide locked back for a few days I'm sure it would have been fine.
i am just fascinated on the engineering of the FNX45 Tactical. the small details and honestly does not recoil!!. I've never held an HK im pretty sure they are close as far as what they do they are big pistols. will do the job. for any mission.
I am biased as I own the USP 45 (standard) and it just runs like a well oiled machine. It may be an old school design but I really like it. I'm stuck in an Unconstitutional State thus 10rds only. Sucks. But I also have the GGG Rail adaptor and the x300u does not fit it. Only the TLR-1s. If you find you can attach the x300u please let me know! Great vid!
+Erik Creed Hard to say. The HK has a better trigger, but you get more for your money with the FN (the case and magazines). If you have the ability shoot a USP and and FNX (doesn't have to be these models) just to see which one feels better in your hand. I personally like the huge slide release lever on the HK, but some are used to the sling-shot method. It's to close to call so you should try to handled them before buying.
I also own both but since I have bought three more HK USP 45's. One Stainless Compact and Stainless full size and an Expert. Shoot some 45 Supers through the FN then form an opinion on which is more robust.
'Universal' Self-Loading Pistol referring to the easily modified operating controls and action variants. This is something that's always left out of every USP comparison video. Which isn't to say that it there aren't pistols out there that improve upon it's decades old designs aspects. When I purchased my USP, I chose to stick with the DA/SA factory setup. After trying the LEM trigger, I switched to DAO. In other words, I was able to modify the pistol to suit my tastes without having to go out and buy another gun. In that sense, it has saved me some money and I get to continue carrying a weapon that I already have a holster and extra mags for. Not to mention a pistol that I was already familiar and comfortable with.
I'd like to get a Mk23 but they are like $600 more than a USP tactical. Just gotta talk to my local dealer about what he will charge me for them if he can get them.
You can find them for ~$40 a few times a year from a few different sites. The install isn't that complicated if you have a few punches. I have another video that shows you how to do it.
+Ohsnapzdawg David Bowie at Bowietacticalconcepts.com will do it for $175.00. Milling the slide will void your warranty, but HK will still fix your weapon for a low price and then some extras for free. If there is something wrong and it has no relation to the milled slide they might honor the warranty. Shoot at least 500 rounds through the HK before breaking the warranty.
I own the FNX, and have shot the HK. Personally I like the FNX better. While the trigger pull was a bit stiffer, I felt it to be more of a comfortable pull for me. I haven't had cycling issues with mine yet. I'm running a silencer co, osprey. I typically shoot winchester, or federal aluminums.
IMO, you really had to reach to find areas where the USP won out; (The finish? Really?). FNX-45T for me! Oh, btw: I have an FNX-9 and I find that I can activate the slide quite readily from BOTH sides with one hand, but I need to move my hand a bit from firing position to do so, FYI.
This is a really tough decision...I guess I need both! H&K looks sleeker and for how old the design is and is still formidable says alot. The FN has all the goodies, super cool! Nice comparison!
Im biased, owning three HKs (love the P2000 LEM, sooo underrated in my arrogant opinion), the FN is a great gun, but you can get a USP 45 tactical for the price of a new or slightly used FN if you look around. I know from experience.
I'm usp biased and gladly pay those extra prices. They are both great, however personally I would buy a second usp before the fn. If I needed a bargain with value I'd buy a rugger
I love my usps, but it is a dated platform that still holds up in my opinion. Hk was the original tactical pistol, every other company ran with the idea and we now have many opinions. With that said the fn is a modern platform. Hk has newer designs with 1913 rail, but I still carry one of my full-size 9s everyday. I don’t like suppressors on hand guns if they aren’t 22 cal. Just my opinion. I think they will both do the job. I really like the Europe style mag paddle on hk. I don’t mind using the ggg adapter for a modern light of your choice. Sorry I’m rambling.
Only thing I was listening for was which one was more reliable. You said HK was. I agree. The FNX is a nice gun but I will give HK the nod for a shtf weapon.
I like the mag release better on the USP. The slide release is so little on the FNX I never used it. Being a lefty I just used the sling shot method. The grip isn't bad on the FN but it is bigger/blockier, so the capacity is more. I also believe the build quality is better on the HK. The FN was flimsy in comparison. Had also cut myself a couple times on the back edge of the slide when I was cleaning the FN. HK doesn't have to make their rails replaceable, they will never wear out. HK trigger is better like you said. Don't have the FN anymore. Love my USP45T. But I am admittedly an HK fan boy.
+Elliott Butts Well I'm a Sig fan boy and IMO none them can touch the SRT in the Sig. With that said, I agree with you the build quality is better on the HK compared to the FNX. The USP tactical does have a nice trigger the HK45 not so much not IMO. Perhaps it gets better over time, out side of the trigger it is a very nice pistol.
+MrWicked98 I would never talk crap about a Sig. I think they are a fine firearm. Being a lefty though most of their guns don't get along with me too well. Heck I think the FN is a fine firearm also. Just believe the USP is "better" and that may not be the correct word. Lol
+Elliott Butts I'm a lefty as well. I like Sigs but hate how they have the de-cocking lever on the left side. That's the life we live I guess. Although, with the massive slide release on the USP I can easily depress it with my trigger finger.
+FirearmTutorials .com I hear ya man. I will usually just sling shot the slide. But that comes from years of shooting guns that are set up for a righty. Btw way I am EDBfla on the hkpro forum. Not that I'm important or anything lol. Thx for your vids man
+Elliott Butts: As I stated above, I can easily release the slide on my FNX-9 with one hand simply by grabbing the release from both sides at once. I'm a small person and even I can grip the FNX-45T; and I'll take capacity & included mags ANY day! A slipstone can readily address any sharp protrusions -- something I would do on a gun's initial cleaning. Replaceable rails is a plus, period. I have two FN's now, and I find the triggers need some break-in. I'm an FN fanboy -- also left handed, so there. (lol)
The FN doesn't have a slide release. It has a slide stop which is only meant to function as a slide stop. The HK's slide stop is also meant to function as a slide release. That's the reason why the FN's slide stop is so much smaller.
***** If you need to safety check the gun, or if you need to lock the slide back in the case of a double feed before you extract the magazine, you need a slide lock. You cannot do these with an empty magazine inserted.
About My FNX-45 Tactical Polymer Quality I am currently a owner of a Flat Dark Earth (FDE) FNX-45 Tactical....... I LOVE the feel and look of this firearm. I have over 8 inch hands in length, so it fits very well and comfortable for me in BOTH my hands. But I sadly must say (because I like this firearm SO MUCH) is that the polymer on mine is stiff, but if I squeeze hard, it will slightly flex. I live in Texas too! I have not left mine out in the Heat. I really RARELY fire both of my firearms. I am making more time to shoot with them, but I have put more rounds through my HKVP9 than my FNX-45 Tactical. I got my HKVP9 (my 1st handgun) and my FNX-45 Tactical (2nd handgun) in 2018 (I bought them a month apart), and my FNX-45 Tactical HAS JAMMED ON ME ABOUT 2-3 times! AND I FIRE IT LESS THAN MY HKVP9! I don’t shoot often, I am currently a rare occasion shooter. I am going to be shooting & practicing more often. My HKVP9... HAS NOT JAMMED ON ME! I really rarely fire my FNX-45 Tactical; as of today (8.30.2020) the last time I fired my FNX-45 Tactical was about 11 months ago. I use my HKVP9 as my EDC Firearm, and I like to use my FNX-45 Tactical for Home Defense. I really like the firearm still. I LOVE THE TRITIUM NIGHT SIGHTS! I love the threaded barrel, and of course the one thing that mostly draws ALL of us to this firearm....... the THREE 15 Round Magazines that come STANDARD with this. This FNX-45 Tactical size and feel is perfect for me and my hand size (over 8 inch long hands). I am 5’9” - 5’10” 230-240lb Man; Healthy, Strong, all that shit. THE SLIDE AND TRIGGER ARE VERY SMOOTH! Those are some things I like and don’t like about the / my FNX-45 Tactical. I am getting a .45 for EDC as well. And I have considered a Glock 21, HK45, HK USP .45 ($899-$1,000 -worth it though), and a FNX-45 (the non-tactical version). I really have thought about selling my FNX-45 Tactical for a HK45 or a HK USP .45 (WHICH IS A WAR GUN BUILT LIKE A TANK one step below its older brother... the Legendary Mark 23). I kinda want to keep it a little longer to test it out more. And if it pisses me off... sell it and get some .45 caliber HK. If it doesn’t piss me off... keep it and still get a .45 caliber HK. Heckler & Koch man... Legends in the Game... and for Good reason (HK MP5, HK USP .45 and HK USP .45 Tactical, the HK Mark 23 and others) I really just want my HKVP9, and some HK .45 caliber EDC firearm, and then I want the HK Mark 23 for REAL Home Defense and other REAL tests and tasks it will succeed at! Plus... just to say the words: “I am an owner of a HK USP .45.” And: “I am an owner of a HK Mark 23.” ARE JUST THE HIGHEST OF HONOR TO OWN EITHER OR BOTH OF THESE LEGENDARY HANDGUNS / FIREARMS FROM A LEGENDARY FIREARM MANUFACTURER / COMPANY! My HKVP9 is TRUE REINFORCED POLYMER THAT SUCKER DOES NOT BUDGE AT ALL! HK IS WORTH THE MONEY!
Why choose...save up and get both if u want....I have a hk usp 45 and the fnx45t....both are similar in size and I find myself shooting the fnx45t more cuz it’s rmr ready and I can throw a suppressor on it...I’m a hk fan but I’m liking FNs direction in firearms...
FNX-45 Tac all the way! Owned both, had so many issues with the H&K and customer service is a joke. FNX-45 comes with (3) 15 round mags, picatiny rail, suppressor and optics ready, tritium night sights, nice case, customizable back straps, better quality, better price and best of all USA made.
Doesn't the H&K come with sights that require a light source to charge them up? And, they're sloped in the front so you can't do the sexy/tacticool racking of the slide with your sights. I'd say that the FN is a much better value since it comes with a slide that's already prepped for a red dot sight, 1913 rail, suppressor height tritium sights, ambidextrous everything and 3 magazines. Add the cost of adding all of that to the H&K and you could've bought two FNX pistols... or one FNX and a can to go with it... or a few Glocks/S&Ws/XDs (a dozen HiPoints if that's what youre into, no judgement from me).
I have the FNX and the USP (not tactical). I have to disagree on your view of the accuracy. My FN is dead nuts from the factory and my USP is off to the left from factory. In fact the only thing I like more on my USP is the coating. It seems more durable and easier to keep clean. Other than that for me its hands down the FNX. The FNX handles recoil better, comes with more features, (rmr plate, tritium sights, 3 magazines, nicer case) Coating of the USP's extractor is already peeling and its only 6 months old and taken very good care of. USP is simpler design and much easier to clean. and I DO LOVE THE POLYGONAL RIFLING on the USP. I wish that the FN came with polygonal rifling. All in all I enjoy shooting my FN more. Great video. Everyone is entitled to their own opinions. Not hating on the HK. I love mine. I just love the FN a little more.
I have both. Just from a pure shooters stand point I think the FNX 45 tactical with its 15 round capacity is a much smoother easier gun to shoot. The H&K always felt like I was holding a bar of soap, just not a comfortable gun and has a lower capacity at that. As far as reliability IDK where this guy is getting his info but I go to the range with both guns and my FNX ends up being the garbage disposal for all the different ammo that jams my USP continuously. Steel casing cheap ammo doesnt go well with the H&K but I can feed my FNX anything.
Shot over 2000 rounds in my FNX and only had two ftf due to bad ammo. Other than that what ever I fed it. It fired with no problem. To me FNX is the 45. Caliber handgun
Sorry dude HK is so much better. More reliable, better shooting gun, more efficient in battle and dirt in the chamber, better trigger. More crisp to the pull. FNX is nice though.
We know you own an HK USP45 as do i... but do own,or ever EXTENSIVELY shot a Fn x Tac???..I love my HK usp tac45 but I never handled the F.N..Think about it
Its not a comparison, I had a USP 45 compact for 1 week, my trigger pull was around 18lbs, that was sold, I will now get a FNX. I have heard the HK 45 is awesome, but I am in no hurry to get another HK.
Looks like that the real improtant advantages for a service-pistol lie at the USP exept for the 3 more bullets in the FNX-mag. But the FNX looks way cooler !
the FNX Tactical 45 comes also With that light like it was said in another video!!... BUT I think I rather have more rounds in or on my person so I think that if I had the money The booth!!!! BUT I think I will get the FNX Tactical 45 because of all the extras and for cheaper!!!!
Reliability, trigger pull, crisp break, short reset, sight radius and accuracy the most important concerns when your life is on the line. I was thinking of FNX 45 instead of a HK USP 45 or a Mark 23. After this review I will stick to collecting Heckler and Koch's. They are absolutely reliable in all calibers. Reliability is always number one when choosing a tool I am trusting my life to. If the weapon does not function it don't matter if you got a laser or light with three 15 round magazines that was reasonably priced......and a zipper case to hold it in. Not saying I don't like laser lights and milled slides for red dots. I luv them.
E. White The feedback on the FNX .45 series has been hit and miss, and lets not even get into the issues that the FNX had to fix from the FNP. The quality control from HK is superior and the weapon is much more tried and true a choice.
***** Bull. Feedback has been great (for people that can fit it in your hands) Is this the only review you've seen for it? Look at Colion Noir, Hickok45, and lot's of others. HK might be better but the FNX works just as well.
E. White I'm not talking about CZcams feedback, I'm talking about feedback from a much larger user base. The FNP had serious issues from an excessive lack of chamber support and had an overly thin frame. A larger than normal percentage of the models blew up on users. As for the FNX, it has more support but reliability reports still haven't been overwhelmingly positive. Hit the forums more often and talk to people that work in the firearms industry if you get the chance and you'll hear more truth about the platform. CZcams isn't the place to get all of your feedback on firearms. It's a place to see them in action, but not much more.
The grip on the fn ruins it for me. I drooled over pictures of it went to the gun shop the guy handed it to me and that popped the bubble. Hurts your hand holding it I can't imagine shooting a few magazines through it bare handed
Just got my USP 45 last week. We went today. Brought my FNX45 tactical HK USP45 Glock 21 and my Springfield 45 tactical. Fnx was the best shooter hands down. HK and Glock 21 are the same.
How would you compare the recoil and muzzle flip between these guns? My Walther ppq45 muzzle flip is a bit much, the HK 45 that I rented has more recoil smacking into the webbing of my hand than shooting a 357 magnum, seriously no joke, and the Glock 21 was extremely pleasant. 1911's are pleasant as well. I have never shot a usp45 or a fnx45. But I want to know about how they feel.
@@rudrashakti108 honestly my FN is a absolute dream. I have a viridian XL5 on it. It’s really smooth. Follow up shots are on point. The trigger is better in FN. To much take up in HK.
As a right handed shooter, I would think the ambi features really aren't a big deal for guys who shoot right handed? Right? I think the FNX wins otherwise but the HK just looks so freaking good.
+first6digits unless you are ever in a firefight and lose use in your right arm to where you need to shoot left handed.... then that ambi pistol might be nice to a righty. or if you are like me and have left handed son who likes to shoot with me... i dont have to buy two pistols and/or he doesnt have to suffer using a righty gun. ambi these days is nice.
+first6digits Well, both are combat pistols, and in combat you have to pie corners, which sometimes requires you to switch shooting hands to maintain cover and concealment. So in the sense of what the two pistols were designed for, being ambidextrous is actually a big deal.
just to throw in my opinion. as an owner of the fnx and a lot of experience with the hk. they are about equally reliable. the fnx feels better to shoot. They are equally accurate. in fact I am more accurate with the fnx. fnx has more advantages. not to mention I know of a lot of special forces guys who use the fnx by choice. Both amazing guns. and lets not lie. its down to personal preference between the two. neither is really better then the other. The only thing I have not first hand played with is silencer issues. Hk tends to have way more fan boys that claim all these things that when you get down to it most of the time are not true or are just a lack of knowledge about fn... ever heard of an m4? the ones used by the us military are built by fn just so you know.. haha and the m249 saw.. but any who great comparison! id be happy with either one. or better yet screw the debate just buy both and don't argue.
+Tom Gaydos HA. Yea both would be great. You're right. At the end of the day it's personal preference. They both have pro's and con's, but one isn't hands down better than the other.
Right you are, there are quite a few operators out there that run the fnx tactical a good friend of mine used one when he was still in a couple years back.. Not sure if the Navy or Marine operators use them and def not the air force lol!
Good review. I've owned the USP45 and currently own the FNX45. Both of them are standard models. In the standard versions the FNX has a way better trigger and reset. The triggers on the standard USP is horrible. If your in the market for one I say go for the high end tactical model or buy the FNX.
Now your review I like .... well said and well put. Not like others who do a comparison only to be biased due to hearsay or guessing. Like the first author said, " I give the accuracy to the HK because of it's reputation" really ... how about just his opinion ... that would have made more sense. Watch any of Hickok45 video's and he gives his opinion and reason. Thanks
MrWicked98 I don't know about the FNX tactical but the regular FNX developed a magazine release problem. Even after a thorough cleaning the mags stop dropping free of the gun and I find myself having to rip the magazine out by hand. I have since sold it off and I am going back to the USP. This time it will be the tactical version.
I love the USA but if I'm going to carry a big gun with heavy weight ammo I think the FK bruno 7.5 psd is a better choice. Way more power, range, and not that much heavier if you consider that the ammo itself weights 95-105 grain vs 200-230 grain 45 acp rounds. Total carry weight gets pretty close. Usps look cool as shit though
The problem with that is where to find a plentiful and affordable supply of 7.5 FK ammo. 45 ACP is EVERYWHERE. 7.5, 4.6 and arguably 5.7 are all novelty calibers since you can't easily source the ammo for it. That said, that FK BRNO is a cool looking gun. Never knew that existed. Thanks for sharing.
I have three FN's and the HK is an FN wanna be only the company went on the cheap side to increase their own profit margin. I'm sure it's a good gun, but damn HK? You guys need to make the gun complete and then put your pricing where you want it. I modifieds one to shoot the .460 Rowland, one to shoot the .45 SUPER, and then the last is just as is from the factory. I love this gun so much it's now my only carry pistol.
I own both FN and HK firearms. Both are very well made. Both have tremendous reputations with military and the public. Can't go wrong with either!
I have both also I like my fnx slightly more. both amazing pistols
Keep in mind that the HK USP .45 is 21 years old and we are comparing it with a gun from late 2012-early 2013. FN has had 17 years to improve on the HK USP's design and has failed to do so in many respects. Trigger design on the FN is inferior, build quality is cheaper and the finish is inferior. No one should EVER have to take a slipstone to a $1,000 pistol slide to address unfinished, extremely sharp edges and potentially ruining the finish and causing the potential for rust spots.
As for capacity, FN is 17 years newer, of course its going to have a better standard capacity. But that's not a problem for the USP though when there are 20 +1 mags available.
HK design came out before the picatinny rails were standard. The replaceable slide rails are a new feature.
There was no such thing as replaceable back straps for any pistol when the HK USP was designed.
Overall, I'm an HK guy. I had both pistols, but sold the FN to get another HK USP .45. lol
some good points there. thanks for watching.
Just because the model is over 2 decades old doesn't mean HK shouldn't improve upon it to catch up. In fact, it's kind of a joke that they don't.
+Slevin Klevra naw give me the FNX its revolutionary
I also had both pistols, the HK USP is a higher quality pistol but the FN is not far behind, to me the USP feels better in the hand then the FN, both are very large pistols but the FN has a hollow feeling to it and rub my middle finger raw when shooting it. if you cant own both pistols, I would go with the HK.
Hollow feeling. That's a good way to describe it. Thanks for watching.
Reliability is everything , at least to me it is . HK USP all the way and then some ...
Easier said than done.
Al Codie then get a thompson center contender
Leaves a little to be desired on a tactical level : )
They cut that many corners to increase their profit margin then it doesn't matter, my guess is they cut other things that aren't obvious. On top of that, this is a pistol review and he said the FN didn't cycle with the suppressor. I have an FN and a suppressor and that is only true if you are shoot light load ammo, like a hollow point.
Jeez, this guy must be on HK's payroll.
@Tom Ivanaj fuck no
Had the pleasure of shooting both of these guns last week side by side and I can honestly say that both are good guns but the H&K USP 45 Tactical was more soft shooting and controllable. The H&K frame felt more solid in my opinion as well. It was my first time shooting a 45acp so I'm not praising or bashing either brand, just stating my experience.
Most likely cause the fnx has a very thin polymer
Thank you for this very decisive review and comparison and letting us know which one you felt was better, not all channels do this even when their video is called x vs. Y, they wont actually say which gun they feel is better and the video because a commercial for both guns with the uploader just saying "they're both and its your preference." Thanks for making a decision! Awesome job
15 round capacity, factory night sights, and red dot ready are some pretty significant features. All the reviews I've read state the Fnx is also very accurate and reliable. I know the HK Usp tactical has close to a legendary reputation though. I wonder how reliable the Fnx is if wet, sandy, very cold etc compared to the HK.
Red dot meh its cool but you can get one on a usp if you really wanted it. The usp has night sights on the le model and the hk has 13 rounds which isnt a slouch they also have 18 and 20 round mags you can buy making the fnx obsolete
kind of felt like you were really digging deep looking for things the hk did better....
very good video. keep up the good work man. thank you very much. have a good one
To be fair, comparing the FNX45t to the USP45t is like comparing the M16 to an HK416.. HK45t to the FNX would be a more accurate comparison.
Ben Barker yeah maybe in 2001. All the hk .45s are antiquated dude. Fnx 45 is the most modern updated take on the full-size 45 duty pistols.
Wrong.
@@lukerodgers1980 i dunno man. I have both and while the FNX has the better ergonomics, the USP operates smoother and more reliably. Out of the box I had to have the magazine release corrected by FN, and until now the magazines do not drop consistently. Yes the USP has no RMR option, or ambidextrous slide stop, but since day one it never gave me the same issues that the FNX did.
I love both for different reasons, but I’ll stake my life on the HK.
@@romeo_alpha0176 id say that’s your personal experience. Mine differs
@@romeo_alpha0176 mine is the same as yours bro. H&k delivers higher level of reliability
accuracy and reliability both go to HK. that's all I needed to hear. Great video. thanks
Nathaniel Harris II I didn't watch the video yet but but I own both firearms and the hk45 and neither of the HKs are more accurate than the fnx45, in order of accuracy I rate the fnx best the hk45 2nd and the usp third.
Accuracy depends on the people who shoots the gun, not because he says one is better than the other. I have HK45 and FNX45 and i seem to be more accurate on the FNX.
CASTRO45ACP I have shot the fnx and the uspss...obviously you never shot a mark 23.by far the most accurate handgun there is...
The build quality on HK brand is just phenomenal. I've had mine for years, and put it through hell! never had one misfire, or issue. I've never owned an FNX but I'm curious to see if it could stand to what i put the USP through.
I also own the Mark 23. That gun is in a class all its own, these two cant even come close.
Great comparison!
Awesome video! :D
SAO, DAO, Sa/Da, LEM. Multiple options for trigger systems. Fully ambidextrous. USP for the WIN!
Uh no
The FN is the one that’s fully ambi, you clearly weren’t paying attention
@@tedpendagast579
My reply meant it is available and able to be swapped out to many different trigger configurations. Pick your flavor
My logic on the 12 rounds vs. 15... A lot of people say it's better to
have the extra 3 rounds. However, if you are in a situation where you
can't get it done with 12, you probably won't get it done with 15
either.
FirearmTutorials .com these pistols for most people are not conceal carry pistols. With that being said if there to be used it could very likely be done in a situation where multiple mags are used and emptied. The more magazines you have the larger the capacity gap is. More is more period. With that being said for most people like myself we don’t carry guns like this and we will hopefully never be in that situation
@@flyinfr33domfreedom2 Some good points you make. Thanks for watching.
These days with large pistol primers easier to find, this firearm all of a sudden looks like a possible range/low level competition sidearm as well.
@@christofonobrown3659 I can't seem to find any primers PERIOD...
What if theres 15 bad guys :P
Thanks for the information.
They also make extended mags for the H&K USP
I dont know why some folks keep thinking the fnx wont handle +p+. Tell that to the box of buffalo bore and .450 smc I ran down the pipe. Definately a good side arm for bear or hogzilla with the right rounds..
I dont use the slide release on the FN, when the adrenaline is pumping can't hit it. Thankfully the raised sights helps with releasing the slide.
Everyone always defaults to the "firepower" argument when comparing weapons. The USP45 mags will easily hold 13-14 rounds; however, for the sake of reliable performance, HK officially markets the mag capacity as 12 to prevent unnecessary wear on the mag springs. FN has had all kinds of performance issues with their line of pistols emanating largely from feeding problems. Also, if you want to see firearms engineering at its finest, take a hard look at the USP's recoil spring assembly compared to other polymer pistols. It's in a class of its own. There's a reason the USP has been in service (i.e., military) for as long as it has. Very few weapon designs have earned a legacy like the HK USP line of pistols. You have to hold and shoot one to understand.
+Wells Bibo USP 45 mags only hold 12 rounds. You can try and crush one in there, but it's still not going to fit. And, as they say these days, pics or it didn't happen.
+Dan F. You actually can get 13 in them. But you can't seat the magazine with the slide closed.
+FirearmTutorials .com I'm not sure what ammo you use. You should post a video where you fit 13 rounds in a USP 45 12-round magazine.
with the HK you can get different detent plates so you can customize if you want or dont want one at all are the safety, decocker. And there are aftermarket 20 rd magazines for HK.
You don't even need to make it ambidextrous, It's better to just to get the left hand or right hand variant. It's more personal and less annoying when actuating the safety and you feel it touch your hand on the other side. But... Both guns to me are ridiculously over priced.
@@peasantsarerevolting9343 Maybe its an grip issue? The ambidextrous safety on either of these doesn't bother me. Plus you may end up having to shoot with your weak hand. What are you going to do if you don't ahve a safety lever on that side? Maybe the USP-T is over priced because it only comes with the white dot iron sights and is not optics ready. But the FNX-T presents the most value. Optics ready, Suppressor height night sights are all extra features. The Glock MOS doesn't offer a threaded barrel with suppressor height night sights.
@@touofthehighplains The issue I have is big hands, and it's only when decocking the hammer the safety lever on the other side hits my index finger knuckle. I do like HK's philosophy of get what you need, but that's just me.
And yes, your right, if I needed to use my non-dominant hand it would pose a problem. But with the use of only one hand and with a gun suited for that hand, it could still be an issue, especially if the gun isn't loaded and with no round in the chamber.
I have no doubt these are capable, well engineered guns but I personally feel people are just paying for the names. I purchased an HK 45T a while back. It was assembled in Columbus Georgia, not Germany. The serial numbers on the slide, barrel, and frame did not match. The FN only has one serial number and it's on the frame. It was made in Columbia SC, not Belgian. The prices they're charging for these guns are as if they came from the countries of these companies origins. That's the only reason why I think it's hard for me to justify the prices.
I've had them both, and currently still have the FNX. I shoot the FNX better than I ever did with the USP45T, but there are a few things that I've noticed between the two that makes me trust the HK more.
The stupid amount of flex in the FNX frame. Maybe it contributes to the softer recoil (in my hands)but it is crazy how much you can squeeze the grip to deform the magwell. I haven't had any issues yet, but I could see there being issues with the mags dropping due to someone's deathgrip on the FNX. The finish. It is sub-par, IMHO, on the FN, especially for a $700 (base model). It definitely has a cheaper feel to it, kind of like comparing a PPQ and a VP9. The FN and Walther are great guns, but they feel cheaply made compared to their HK counterparts.
good info. thanks for sharing.
Seems like a bad batch, talk to FN because i've heard they fucked up the polymer on a few batches. Because i can tell you i can squeeze the magwell on both my real FNX and the airsoft one and neither flex at all no matter how hard i try
I just noticed that my USP45T has a little amount slide-to-frame play, while my USP9 Expert has no such play at all. How is the slide-to-frame fit on your USP45T? Thank you.
Are you sure it's the frame and not the barrel lock up? The barrel on the Expert is much different than the rest of the USP line. Notice how polished the barrel hood is? I've heard they are "hand fitted" at the factory. Not sure how true that is. Either way it has all the makings of a true "match" pistol vs. a really good pistol in the USP-T.
You are right it is the barrel lock up. Thank you.
Excellent side-by-side comparison. I have been mulling over which of the two to buy and I think your review is fair. I don't think my decision is any easier after seeing this though. Still leaning towards the HK I guess.
You can't go wrong the USP Tactical. Thanks for watching.
Thanks for this
By the way I have a question that maybe someone on here can help me out with. I looked up Tactical barrels for the HK USP 45 and its slightly different than my barrel. Appears to have an o-ring, but other than that it looks like it could drop right in to my regular USP's slide. So can anyone tell me that if i do buy that barrel, can I just change it out with my regular barrel without any modification to the slide? TIA...
The usp 45 Tactical definitely has a o ring. I know that for sure, not sure if u can interchange sorry. Love my USP 45 Tactical.
Can anyone give me an opinion on which of these you would get if the HK was substantially cheaper where i live? Its almost half the price but i still love the look of the FN!
Cheers
aaron mccloskey I vote HK. Is it the USP Tactical, or a normal USP? The tactical shares design similarities with the MK23 that the standard USP does not
FNX Tactical is my next .45 after I get my Five Seven. I love my VP-9. Also want a Beretta M9A3
+BigBrainNicky Got the Five Seven.
got a fix for all the pros and cons buy both! :)
Did lol 😆
I got the FNX .45 because of the 15 round mag and its a smooth gun to operate. Can not beat that.
cant hear a thing
The slide “release” is actually a “slide lock,” not a “release.” People use it as a release all of the time, but it ruins the metals on the gun (rounds off the slide and the lock), and it’s counterintuitive.
Great side-by-side video, very good to see them next to each other.
This. You can release the slide with your thumb if you want to look tacticool but for real training and use that's not what it's for and not how it's used.
I don't know how they are now, but my USP in 06 came in a zippered case with modular velcro pouches to hold the pistol (buckled in), both mags, a can storage, and another pouch for whatever else. All that said, that case sits in a corner somewhere and is a non factor anyway. I'm guessing maybe they've cheapened it out over the years.
GREAT VIDEO..I Love my HK 45 but it does have it faults..UNBIASED Video..Thumbs up
The purpose of the slide STOP is to lock the slide back on the last round or to manually lock the slide to the rear while pushing UP on the slide stop (by looking at it it's designed to be pushed up, not down). Understanding this will she'd some light as to why the lever is smaller on the FNX, thus less intrusive, and a better design.
Some mis-informed individual commented on how the FNX will not be manufactured after 10 years. FN Herstal just got awarded the military contract to supply the M4 to our military. The only reason why glocks, sigs, and even HK's are more popular is because those brands have a large commercial presence and focuses more of their business towards that sector. FN has been supplying and focusing on military contracts. FN has a long lineage of making reliable firearms. They even had John Moses Browning on the payroll at one point. HK like Colt is having financial issues and will soon cease to exist. That is unless someone will buy them out. FN on the other hand is not only here to stay, but will be taking the market by storm. Matter of fact, some of the most innovative and baddest rifles are already being manufactured by FN (Scar). Their line is pistols is no exception. So a lot of you need to do your homework before continuing to be objective and riding solely on one brand that's popular and the only one that you know. Otherwise, good video comparison.
The majority of HK production and development is based on MIL/LEO contracts.
I disagree. HK leaving the firearm industry would be like losing Ferrari in the car industry. HK has also been just as big a player in the military sector as FN and commercial sales have always been an afterthought.
70% of the small arms in the world's largest and most advanced military all come from one company; not Colt, not HK, but FN. John Moses Browning could have worked anywhere in the world, but instead made 60-some odd trips across the Atlantic to work at FN, which still owns the majority of his patents. I owned a USP Tactical 45 at one point. It was never all that reliable for me, the trigger crappy enough that I went from the HK to a Glock and considered it an improvement. Plus the recoil assembly gouged material out of the frame until you could see the serial number plate from the inside of the frame. But what perturbed me the most was the HK solidly refused to service the pistol. So I was a fan of HK until I actually owned an HK. Now, not so much. I'll take the FN.
@@MTMILITIAMAN7.62 I call BS! That is all...
@@MTMILITIAMAN7.62 Sorry, that's just not true. John Moses Browning lucked into the FN deal. He only truly went to work for FN because Winchester sat on the auto-5 long gun for years first (just a single contract before that). He was out of options for manufacturers in the US (which is a condition of the market segmentation that he created by selling his patent rights to them outright, instead of licensing: Colt for pistols and Winchester for long guns.). I love the history around John Browning, and while he was an American hero, he wasn't perfect and the world didn't think he was either at the time.
not sure why you gave the "durability" to HK, since FNX is a stainless steel slide, and HK is just plain old carbon steel, meaning it will rust if not taken care of where FN will never rust or pit, even if scratched or when coating gets rubbed off. I know you tried to be fair, but some of your criteria was a little wacky when picking the winner of each category.
The nitrocarburizing process treats the bare metal underneath the HK. Even if you rub off the black oxide to expose bare, shiny metal (like holster wear), it's still protected. I would say most modern processes are about the same; Tennifer (not Tennifer in the States anymore, of course, because of the cyanide environmental regulations), Melonite, Nitron... It's all the same case-hardening principal. Some of his pros/cons are personal preference, as with anything in life.
There are no known cases since 1993 of an HK USP series pistol rusting.
my usp is old af... no rust at all.
Also stainless steel can rust, it just oxidizes at a much lower rate. It stains "less" but is not completely without staining.
The only way to settle this is to run 20,000 rounds of +P suppressed through each and check the durability and reliability. Afterall thats what they are designed for
So if you like a bunch of extra stuff in an ergonomic package the FN is for you. If you want a better pistol where it counts the Hk has no equals. Heavy is the head that wears the crown. I'll take my USP-T over any other tactical pistol on the market any day of the week, and that's including it's two younger brothers I also own the Hk45T and Hk45CT.
Yea, there is something about the USP that still makes it my favorite of the newer ones as well.
Let's see, 10 years down the road, FNX 45 will still be in production?
I think not
What sights are on the USP? And is that front sight available alone? I think it would work better as a front sight than the front sight Meprolight ships with their set. It looks like Trijicon but I can't find a tall USP front sight from Trijicon!
They are actually Ameriglo. You can by the front separate which a lot of people do. I you get the rear, make sure you get the .475 and .450 ones. Thanks for watching.
I think I will try the Ameriglo front and the Mepro adjustable rear.
GearCheck 101 I meant to say the .457 and NOT the .450. The adjustable meps are probably the best adjustable ones. I've broken the stock HK ones before.
Really? The stock ones seem to have finer adjustment. Lpa also make a white dotted set. .475? I'm going to try the ameriglo tactical front and mepro rear.
I bought the .450 height and was shooting about 3" low at 7 yards. I replaced them with the .475s and I was golden. The thing I hate about the blacked out HK ones is that the rear blade is a separate piece. I dropped my USP-SD and it broke! The adjustable meps aren't like that. More durable in my opinion.
15+1 rounds of .45 in the FNX.... .45 vs 9mm debate.... capacity vs caliber.......OVER.
price is big factor for many people. Not everyone can afford 1000 round trips to range with .45
try the Mark 23 Socom
LOL. The debate is hardly over. You can get as much capacity as you want if you're willing to take a freakishly oversized pistol. The FNX has 15 rounds of 45, but in the same exact form factor you could easily get a pistol that holds 20-21 rounds of 9mm.
There's really no way around this, it's a mathematical certainty. Given the same form factor, 9 mm will always have greater capacity than 45.
glock 17 holds 33 in a mag, i'm sure there's many that hold more.
that being said i'm more on 45's side,but. still.
You sure you weren’t limp wristing with the FN? The only times I’ve had trouble cycling with mine is when I first got it and limp wristed a little.
Nope. Not a rookie. I think it was just because the gun was brand new. If I left the slide locked back for a few days I'm sure it would have been fine.
@@FirearmTutorials hmmm. Mine never did that.
i am just fascinated on the engineering of the FNX45 Tactical. the small details and honestly does not recoil!!. I've never held an HK im pretty sure they are close as far as what they do they are big pistols. will do the job. for any mission.
I am biased as I own the USP 45 (standard) and it just runs like a well oiled machine. It may be an old school design but I really like it. I'm stuck in an Unconstitutional State thus 10rds only. Sucks. But I also have the GGG Rail adaptor and the x300u does not fit it. Only the TLR-1s. If you find you can attach the x300u please let me know! Great vid!
I have the same issue with mine, but I like the TLR lights.
for a first time buyer who wants one of these two guns which one should i buy
+Erik Creed Hard to say. The HK has a better trigger, but you get more for your money with the FN (the case and magazines). If you have the ability shoot a USP and and FNX (doesn't have to be these models) just to see which one feels better in your hand. I personally like the huge slide release lever on the HK, but some are used to the sling-shot method. It's to close to call so you should try to handled them before buying.
+FirearmTutorials .com thanks
damm my two favorite pistols
I also own both but since I have bought three more HK USP 45's. One Stainless Compact and Stainless full size and an Expert. Shoot some 45 Supers through the FN then form an opinion on which is more robust.
'Universal' Self-Loading Pistol referring to the easily modified operating controls and action variants. This is something that's always left out of every USP comparison video. Which isn't to say that it there aren't pistols out there that improve upon it's decades old designs aspects.
When I purchased my USP, I chose to stick with the DA/SA factory setup. After trying the LEM trigger, I switched to DAO. In other words, I was able to modify the pistol to suit my tastes without having to go out and buy another gun.
In that sense, it has saved me some money and I get to continue carrying a weapon that I already have a holster and extra mags for. Not to mention a pistol that I was already familiar and comfortable with.
UHHHG! These two handguns always make me break when asked "Hey! What's you're favorite handgun?"
I have the same problem, but I also have the Glock and XD to worry about.
I am not a fan of the XD Personally
I like both and own both but I'm considering selling my FNX because the HK is just cooler looking.
Both guns are sexy as hell great video
What .45 would you guys would recommend?: USP, FNX, XD, M&P or G21?
Hk
HK USP
Five-seveN
FNX-45 Tactical is the best .45 acp handgun
Hi point forever...Fuck the world
I'd like to get a Mk23 but they are like $600 more than a USP tactical.
Just gotta talk to my local dealer about what he will charge me for them if he can get them.
I have seen a FN decocker crack the frame around the hammer of a FN.
Being ambidextrous I bought the ambi control kit and had a gunsmith install it. It cost me nearly $200 extra to have a USP with ambi safety/decocker.
You can find them for ~$40 a few times a year from a few different sites. The install isn't that complicated if you have a few punches. I have another video that shows you how to do it.
Should have installed it yourself -$$$
I'll take USP tactical over not just a FNX, but pretty much any tacical handgun to date Ive shot.
Just got my HK USP 45 Tactical. Next on list Silencero Osprey Suppressor. Notorious 45 recoil system.
Silencero approval end of December beginning of January. Next milled slide for Trij RMR by bowietacticalconcepts.
+Charles Darwin how much does it cost to have the slide altered? also, does having it altered void your hk warranty?
+Ohsnapzdawg David Bowie at Bowietacticalconcepts.com will do it for $175.00. Milling the slide will void your warranty, but HK will still fix your weapon for a low price and then some extras for free. If there is something wrong and it has no relation to the milled slide they might honor the warranty. Shoot at least 500 rounds through the HK before breaking the warranty.
Did you get your suppressor yet?
+Josh Adams I will have it mid February.
I own the FNX, and have shot the HK. Personally I like the FNX better. While the trigger pull was a bit stiffer, I felt it to be more of a comfortable pull for me. I haven't had cycling issues with mine yet. I'm running a silencer co, osprey. I typically shoot winchester, or federal aluminums.
IMO, you really had to reach to find areas where the USP won out; (The finish? Really?). FNX-45T for me!
Oh, btw: I have an FNX-9 and I find that I can activate the slide quite readily from BOTH sides with one hand, but I need to move my hand a bit from firing position to do so, FYI.
This is a really tough decision...I guess I need both! H&K looks sleeker and for how old the design is and is still formidable says alot. The FN has all the goodies, super cool! Nice comparison!
Get both of them there both great guns.
My dream 45 is still the HK mark-23.
That gun is in a league of it's own... No comparison to the FN or USP.
Im biased, owning three HKs (love the P2000 LEM, sooo underrated in my arrogant opinion), the FN is a great gun, but you can get a USP 45 tactical for the price of a new or slightly used FN if you look around. I know from experience.
I'm usp biased and gladly pay those extra prices. They are both great, however personally I would buy a second usp before the fn.
If I needed a bargain with value I'd buy a rugger
I love my usps, but it is a dated platform that still holds up in my opinion. Hk was the original tactical pistol, every other company ran with the idea and we now have many opinions. With that said the fn is a modern platform. Hk has newer designs with 1913 rail, but I still carry one of my full-size 9s everyday. I don’t like suppressors on hand guns if they aren’t 22 cal. Just my opinion. I think they will both do the job. I really like the Europe style mag paddle on hk. I don’t mind using the ggg adapter for a modern light of your choice. Sorry I’m rambling.
i love my hk and i want the fn just because
I have the hk. My decocker system just took a shit. I'm waiting to get it back from hk
Hk all day long , and I love the tone of their slide.
Only thing I was listening for was which one was more reliable. You said HK was. I agree. The FNX is a nice gun but I will give HK the nod for a shtf weapon.
I like the mag release better on the USP. The slide release is so little on the FNX I never used it. Being a lefty I just used the sling shot method. The grip isn't bad on the FN but it is bigger/blockier, so the capacity is more. I also believe the build quality is better on the HK. The FN was flimsy in comparison. Had also cut myself a couple times on the back edge of the slide when I was cleaning the FN. HK doesn't have to make their rails replaceable, they will never wear out. HK trigger is better like you said. Don't have the FN anymore. Love my USP45T. But I am admittedly an HK fan boy.
+Elliott Butts Well I'm a Sig fan boy and IMO none them can touch the SRT in the Sig. With that said, I agree with you the build quality is better on the HK compared to the FNX. The USP tactical does have a nice trigger the HK45 not so much not IMO. Perhaps it gets better over time, out side of the trigger it is a very nice pistol.
+MrWicked98
I would never talk crap about a Sig. I think they are a fine firearm. Being a lefty though most of their guns don't get along with me too well. Heck I think the FN is a fine firearm also. Just believe the USP is "better" and that may not be the correct word. Lol
+Elliott Butts I'm a lefty as well. I like Sigs but hate how they have the de-cocking lever on the left side. That's the life we live I guess. Although, with the massive slide release on the USP I can easily depress it with my trigger finger.
+FirearmTutorials .com
I hear ya man. I will usually just sling shot the slide. But that comes from years of shooting guns that are set up for a righty. Btw way I am EDBfla on the hkpro forum. Not that I'm important or anything lol. Thx for your vids man
+Elliott Butts: As I stated above, I can easily release the slide on my FNX-9 with one hand simply by grabbing the release from both sides at once. I'm a small person and even I can grip the FNX-45T; and I'll take capacity & included mags ANY day! A slipstone can readily address any sharp protrusions -- something I would do on a gun's initial cleaning. Replaceable rails is a plus, period. I have two FN's now, and I find the triggers need some break-in. I'm an FN fanboy -- also left handed, so there. (lol)
As an owner of the FNX-45 I still tip my hat towards the USP.... UNTIL MY MARK 23 COMES IN! HAHAHAHA!!!
The FN doesn't have a slide release. It has a slide stop which is only meant to function as a slide stop. The HK's slide stop is also meant to function as a slide release. That's the reason why the FN's slide stop is so much smaller.
That makes sense. Thanks for watching.
***** They have it external so that you can lock the slide back if you need to.
***** If you need to safety check the gun, or if you need to lock the slide back in the case of a double feed before you extract the magazine, you need a slide lock.
You cannot do these with an empty magazine inserted.
like them both, but we know designs are many years apart.
About My FNX-45 Tactical Polymer Quality
I am currently a owner of a Flat Dark Earth (FDE) FNX-45 Tactical....... I LOVE the feel and look of this firearm. I have over 8 inch hands in length, so it fits very well and comfortable for me in BOTH my hands.
But I sadly must say (because I like this firearm SO MUCH) is that the polymer on mine is stiff, but if I squeeze hard, it will slightly flex. I live in Texas too! I have not left mine out in the Heat. I really RARELY fire both of my firearms. I am making more time to shoot with them, but I have put more rounds through my HKVP9 than my FNX-45 Tactical.
I got my HKVP9 (my 1st handgun) and my FNX-45 Tactical (2nd handgun) in 2018 (I bought them a month apart), and my FNX-45 Tactical HAS JAMMED ON ME ABOUT 2-3 times! AND I FIRE IT LESS THAN MY HKVP9! I don’t shoot often, I am currently a rare occasion shooter. I am going to be shooting & practicing more often. My HKVP9... HAS NOT JAMMED ON ME! I really rarely fire my FNX-45 Tactical; as of today (8.30.2020) the last time I fired my FNX-45 Tactical was about 11 months ago.
I use my HKVP9 as my EDC Firearm, and I like to use my FNX-45 Tactical for Home Defense. I really like the firearm still. I LOVE THE TRITIUM NIGHT SIGHTS! I love the threaded barrel, and of course the one thing that mostly draws ALL of us to this firearm....... the THREE 15 Round Magazines that come STANDARD with this. This FNX-45 Tactical size and feel is perfect for me and my hand size (over 8 inch long hands). I am 5’9” - 5’10” 230-240lb Man; Healthy, Strong, all that shit. THE SLIDE AND TRIGGER ARE VERY SMOOTH! Those are some things I like and don’t like about the / my FNX-45 Tactical.
I am getting a .45 for EDC as well. And I have considered a Glock 21, HK45, HK USP .45 ($899-$1,000 -worth it though), and a FNX-45 (the non-tactical version).
I really have thought about selling my FNX-45 Tactical for a HK45 or a HK USP .45 (WHICH IS A WAR GUN BUILT LIKE A TANK one step below its older brother... the Legendary Mark 23). I kinda want to keep it a little longer to test it out more. And if it pisses me off... sell it and get some .45 caliber HK. If it doesn’t piss me off... keep it and still get a .45 caliber HK. Heckler & Koch man... Legends in the Game... and for Good reason (HK MP5, HK USP .45 and HK USP .45 Tactical, the HK Mark 23 and others)
I really just want my HKVP9, and some HK .45 caliber EDC firearm, and then I want the HK Mark 23 for REAL Home Defense and other REAL tests and tasks it will succeed at! Plus... just to say the words: “I am an owner of a HK USP .45.” And: “I am an owner of a HK Mark 23.” ARE JUST THE HIGHEST OF HONOR TO OWN EITHER OR BOTH OF THESE LEGENDARY HANDGUNS / FIREARMS FROM A LEGENDARY FIREARM MANUFACTURER / COMPANY!
My HKVP9 is TRUE REINFORCED POLYMER THAT SUCKER DOES NOT BUDGE AT ALL! HK IS WORTH THE MONEY!
Why choose...save up and get both if u want....I have a hk usp 45 and the fnx45t....both are similar in size and I find myself shooting the fnx45t more cuz it’s rmr ready and I can throw a suppressor on it...I’m a hk fan but I’m liking FNs direction in firearms...
FNX-45 Tac all the way! Owned both, had so many issues with the H&K and customer service is a joke. FNX-45 comes with (3) 15 round mags, picatiny rail, suppressor and optics ready, tritium night sights, nice case, customizable back straps, better quality, better price and best of all USA made.
Doesn't the H&K come with sights that require a light source to charge them up? And, they're sloped in the front so you can't do the sexy/tacticool racking of the slide with your sights. I'd say that the FN is a much better value since it comes with a slide that's already prepped for a red dot sight, 1913 rail, suppressor height tritium sights, ambidextrous everything and 3 magazines. Add the cost of adding all of that to the H&K and you could've bought two FNX pistols... or one FNX and a can to go with it... or a few Glocks/S&Ws/XDs (a dozen HiPoints if that's what youre into, no judgement from me).
I have the FNX and the USP (not tactical). I have to disagree on your view of the accuracy. My FN is dead nuts from the factory and my USP is off to the left from factory. In fact the only thing I like more on my USP is the coating. It seems more durable and easier to keep clean. Other than that for me its hands down the FNX. The FNX handles recoil better, comes with more features, (rmr plate, tritium sights, 3 magazines, nicer case) Coating of the USP's extractor is already peeling and its only 6 months old and taken very good care of. USP is simpler design and much easier to clean. and I DO LOVE THE POLYGONAL RIFLING on the USP. I wish that the FN came with polygonal rifling. All in all I enjoy shooting my FN more. Great video. Everyone is entitled to their own opinions. Not hating on the HK. I love mine. I just love the FN a little more.
Hahahaha that’s you not the gun
I have both. Just from a pure shooters stand point I think the FNX 45 tactical with its 15 round capacity is a much smoother easier gun to shoot. The H&K always felt like I was holding a bar of soap, just not a comfortable gun and has a lower capacity at that. As far as reliability IDK where this guy is getting his info but I go to the range with both guns and my FNX ends up being the garbage disposal for all the different ammo that jams my USP continuously. Steel casing cheap ammo doesnt go well with the H&K but I can feed my FNX anything.
550 rounds thur my fnx 45 tactical in FDE been flawless, should have got it in FDE lol J/K
HA! I'm sure if I left the slide locked back it would have been. Thanks for watching.
Shot over 2000 rounds in my FNX and only had two ftf due to bad ammo. Other than that what ever I fed it. It fired with no problem. To me FNX is the 45. Caliber handgun
Capacity isn’t really a good point because you can easily get mag extensions or 20 round mags for the usp
Sorry dude HK is so much better. More reliable, better shooting gun, more efficient in battle and dirt in the chamber, better trigger. More crisp to the pull. FNX is nice though.
In addition, you can shoot .45 Super out of the USP, with stock parts, all day. The FNX can't handle it at all.
We know you own an HK USP45 as do i... but do own,or ever EXTENSIVELY shot a Fn x Tac???..I love my HK usp tac45 but I never handled the F.N..Think about it
Sorry about the horrible grammar
Its not a comparison, I had a USP 45 compact for 1 week, my trigger pull was around 18lbs, that was sold, I will now get a FNX. I have heard the HK 45 is awesome, but I am in no hurry to get another HK.
Liar
He is not lying. Those USP 45 compacts in double action are seriously terrible.
Looks like that the real improtant advantages for a service-pistol lie at the USP exept for the 3 more bullets in the FNX-mag. But the FNX looks way cooler !
The both look cool in different ways. I like the grip angle of the FNX better but I hate that rounded trigger guard.
alto fierro amigo... con una de es soy mas q yo
Good review, nontheless
Went with the HK USP Tactical 45
the FNX Tactical 45 comes also With that light like it was said in another video!!... BUT I think I rather have more rounds in or on my person so I think that if I had the money The booth!!!! BUT I think I will get the FNX Tactical 45 because of all the extras and for cheaper!!!!
Reliability, trigger pull, crisp break, short reset, sight radius and accuracy the most important concerns when your life is on the line. I was thinking of FNX 45 instead of a HK USP 45 or a Mark 23. After this review I will stick to collecting Heckler and Koch's. They are absolutely reliable in all calibers. Reliability is always number one when choosing a tool I am trusting my life to. If the weapon does not function it don't matter if you got a laser or light with three 15 round magazines that was reasonably priced......and a zipper case to hold it in. Not saying I don't like laser lights and milled slides for red dots. I luv them.
Don't know what you're talking about, but FNs are plenty reliable.
E. White True. I don't know why mine wasn't cycling, but they are top notch guns.
E. White The feedback on the FNX .45 series has been hit and miss, and lets not even get into the issues that the FNX had to fix from the FNP. The quality control from HK is superior and the weapon is much more tried and true a choice.
***** Bull. Feedback has been great (for people that can fit it in your hands) Is this the only review you've seen for it? Look at Colion Noir, Hickok45, and lot's of others. HK might be better but the FNX works just as well.
E. White I'm not talking about CZcams feedback, I'm talking about feedback from a much larger user base. The FNP had serious issues from an excessive lack of chamber support and had an overly thin frame. A larger than normal percentage of the models blew up on users. As for the FNX, it has more support but reliability reports still haven't been overwhelmingly positive. Hit the forums more often and talk to people that work in the firearms industry if you get the chance and you'll hear more truth about the platform. CZcams isn't the place to get all of your feedback on firearms. It's a place to see them in action, but not much more.
The grip on the fn ruins it for me. I drooled over pictures of it went to the gun shop the guy handed it to me and that popped the bubble. Hurts your hand holding it I can't imagine shooting a few magazines through it bare handed
Just got my USP 45 last week. We went today. Brought my FNX45 tactical HK USP45 Glock 21 and my Springfield 45 tactical. Fnx was the best shooter hands down. HK and Glock 21 are the same.
How would you compare the recoil and muzzle flip between these guns? My Walther ppq45 muzzle flip is a bit much, the HK 45 that I rented has more recoil smacking into the webbing of my hand than shooting a 357 magnum, seriously no joke, and the Glock 21 was extremely pleasant. 1911's are pleasant as well. I have never shot a usp45 or a fnx45. But I want to know about how they feel.
@@rudrashakti108 honestly my FN is a absolute dream. I have a viridian XL5 on it. It’s really smooth. Follow up shots are on point. The trigger is better in FN. To much take up in HK.
@@jasonhatez3287 thanks.
the FNX Tactical 45 has a smaller than a handle grip but I would go with the H&K USP tactical 45!!!!
As a right handed shooter, I would think the ambi features really aren't a big deal for guys who shoot right handed? Right? I think the FNX wins otherwise but the HK just looks so freaking good.
+first6digits unless you are ever in a firefight and lose use in your right arm to where you need to shoot left handed.... then that ambi pistol might be nice to a righty. or if you are like me and have left handed son who likes to shoot with me... i dont have to buy two pistols and/or he doesnt have to suffer using a righty gun. ambi these days is nice.
+first6digits Well, both are combat pistols, and in combat you have to pie corners, which sometimes requires you to switch shooting hands to maintain cover and concealment.
So in the sense of what the two pistols were designed for, being ambidextrous is actually a big deal.
Got FNX tactical and now waiting for VP-45.
+Jim Bob I think so.
Jim Bob That's the rumor.
just to throw in my opinion. as an owner of the fnx and a lot of experience with the hk. they are about equally reliable. the fnx feels better to shoot. They are equally accurate. in fact I am more accurate with the fnx. fnx has more advantages. not to mention I know of a lot of special forces guys who use the fnx by choice. Both amazing guns. and lets not lie. its down to personal preference between the two. neither is really better then the other. The only thing I have not first hand played with is silencer issues. Hk tends to have way more fan boys that claim all these things that when you get down to it most of the time are not true or are just a lack of knowledge about fn... ever heard of an m4? the ones used by the us military are built by fn just so you know.. haha and the m249 saw.. but any who great comparison! id be happy with either one. or better yet screw the debate just buy both and don't argue.
+Tom Gaydos HA. Yea both would be great. You're right. At the end of the day it's personal preference. They both have pro's and con's, but one isn't hands down better than the other.
Good to know you agree
Right you are, there are quite a few operators out there that run the fnx tactical a good friend of mine used one when he was still in a couple years back.. Not sure if the Navy or Marine operators use them and def not the air force lol!
Apples and orange. Ether way... still great fruit!
Tom Gaydos lol don't forget the M240 and all its variants that's an FN as well
Good review. I've owned the USP45 and currently own the FNX45. Both of them are standard models. In the standard versions the FNX has a way better trigger and reset. The triggers on the standard USP is horrible. If your in the market for one I say go for the high end tactical model or buy the FNX.
Now your review I like .... well said and well put. Not like others who do a comparison only to be biased due to hearsay or guessing. Like the first author said, " I give the accuracy to the HK because of it's reputation" really ... how about just his opinion ... that would have made more sense. Watch any of Hickok45 video's and he gives his opinion and reason.
Thanks
MrWicked98 I don't know about the FNX tactical but the regular FNX developed a magazine release problem. Even after a thorough cleaning the mags stop dropping free of the gun and I find myself having to rip the magazine out by hand. I have since sold it off and I am going back to the USP. This time it will be the tactical version.
The trigger is not better on the FN. The HK45 has a very good trigger. The USP match trigger is even better. Funny how 2 opinions can differ so much.
+Elliott Butts HK got it right with the USP trigger. Not sure why they changed it and added a longer reset on the newer guns.
+FirearmTutorials .com hk45/usp 45 same trigger same reset. p30/p2000 have the longer reset
In other words, where it counts the 25 year old gun wins.
I love the USA but if I'm going to carry a big gun with heavy weight ammo I think the FK bruno 7.5 psd is a better choice. Way more power, range, and not that much heavier if you consider that the ammo itself weights 95-105 grain vs 200-230 grain 45 acp rounds. Total carry weight gets pretty close. Usps look cool as shit though
The problem with that is where to find a plentiful and affordable supply of 7.5 FK ammo. 45 ACP is EVERYWHERE. 7.5, 4.6 and arguably 5.7 are all novelty calibers since you can't easily source the ammo for it. That said, that FK BRNO is a cool looking gun. Never knew that existed. Thanks for sharing.
I have three FN's and the HK is an FN wanna be only the company went on the cheap side to increase their own profit margin. I'm sure it's a good gun, but damn HK? You guys need to make the gun complete and then put your pricing where you want it.
I modifieds one to shoot the .460 Rowland, one to shoot the .45 SUPER, and then the last is just as is from the factory.
I love this gun so much it's now my only carry pistol.
@ I have no idea what you mean? And I'm older than dirt.