Fr. Charles Murr: Why the Vatican Wants to DESTROY the TLM!
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- Are the rumors true about an impending Vatican document that totally BANS the Traditional Latin Mass? Father Charles Murr rejoins A Catholic Take to weigh in on why many in the Church hierarchy hate Traditional Catholics! #traditionalcatholic #vatican #rome #tlm
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The devil hates Latin. Every exorcist knows that.
Church Latin to be precise.
Is that why some demons speak Latin?
@@John_Six forced to, I believe, to prove to heretics that the Faith resides in the Catholic Church.
Find the chapter and verse in the Bible that teaches that, please.
Where did you dig that out of? I think the devil loves a pride-filled, self-righteous, divisive and disobedient spirit.
The Freemasons have said they'll destroy the Catholic Church through obedience!
The Freemasons are of the diabolical, they will FAIL‼️‼️‼️ Evil never prevails‼️
Then we disobey...no more obedience to evil men...
Obey God and the true teachings. A fake mass is coming within the next 2-3 years; a service without consecration. (Prophecies of Maree-Julie Jahenny)
😂 good one.
Spot on. The mindless obedience to some idiot instead to Jesus brought us to where we are. Apage Satanas 😈
The Latin mass is a beautiful mass. I attend the Latin mass, we have a church that celebrates all masses in Latin. There is so much respect from parishioners attending the mass.
The Latin Mass is VALID
Satanic free masons created it and it has no valid prayers of consecration. This has been planned for a LONG time. Traditional Catholic Churches are thriving because the Mass is reverent and VALID PERIOD.
***BS***
Your church heretically contradicts the Apostle -- the Apostle taught that only the language that the congregation actually understands is to be used in church, so that the congregation can be edified/encouraged -- 1Corinth 14 -- *to use LATIN in a church in China, etc where the congregation does NOT understand Latin, is to heretically contradict the Apostle.*
@@TicketToRide-dj4vk did you know you can probably have a missal with the Chinese translation on one side just like they have a missal with Latin on one side and English on the other for people in America. By the way, what languages were above the crucifix? I’ll give you a hint none of them were the following: English, Spanish French, German, Italian
@@femaleKCRoyalsFan YOU: By the way, what languages were above the crucifix?
*ME: LOL. That has no bearing on the instructions of the APOSTLE to only speak in church the language that the congregation understands in 1Corinth 14.* So typical of fake christians, always looking for ways to side-step what is ACTUALLY taught in the NT by the Original Church.
The Lord himself will defend his bride, be still and know I am God, Peace I give you, Amen
We can take comfort by praying the prayer/Novena of Servant ofGod, Don Dolindo in which we are to place all of our concerns in God’s hands.
@@johnholmes9801 what is this prayer? God bless.
@@thomasburke4208 Surrender novena
Come, Lord Jesus! 🙏
@@terezka5340 I’m praying this too. Day 5, I need it!!!
Last night I attended the last Latin Mass at Saint Patrick's Cathedral in Melbourne, Australia.
In The Remnant, Kathy Clubb, the Australian Correspondent wrote an article 'Traditiones Custodes Claims another Scalp', which sums up perfectly why the Latin Mass was cancelled. The Cathedral was packed. Archbishop Comensoli was present. Hopefully he realises his error. God forgive him. 🙏
This comment says it all. Thank you for sharing and God have mercy!
Here , Here ! Yes my wife and I were there too. The Mass was beautiful but it was so sad knowing that it was the end of the TLM there. It was so nice of the celebrant to mention Cardinal Pell and repeat his words about the TLM when Pell was Archbishop at the time. One question I have for Archbishop Comensoli is, ' Why didn't he consult with his confreres in Sydney and Parramatta who still have their LTM Masses' ? Or is he looking for a change in the colour of his zuchetto !
Oh, he knows exactly what he's doing. It's no innocent mistake in judgement.
Simply, tell to the crook archbishop: we resist. And get stuffed. And simply stop 🛑 giving any money to the crooked churchmen👿🐐👿
It’s awful news, but I would strongly urge you, and many other TLM attendees from Melbourne, to make your feelings known to the Archbishop in strong terms. There is no sin in speaking your mind frankly, and making him aware the damage this is causing. Don’t think that there’s no point as the orders are from Rome…if he were swayed by enough people he would be compelled to transmit all your concerns to Rome. If all the Catholics around the world whose TLM was taken away from them spoke out loudly to their bishops/ archbishops Rome would certainly sit up and take notice. Lying in a corner and not saying boo is just an invitation to continue to get hammered.
Latin Mass is who we are . That is Catholic . Mass of the Ages . ❤
The pope has spoken and you don't agree? Naughty catholic 😅
***NERO AND CALIGULA SPOKE LATIM***
@@adelinomorte7421 Yes, who were conquered by Christ and the blood of martyrs. That is why the demons hate Latin so much. Christianity stole their show.
The "Mass of the Ages" is not found in any SSPX, FSSP, or any other organization that believes Vatican II was a valid council and that true popes and bishops can teach and preach Satanic-inspired ideologies.
The true Mass is found only in those places that offer the Mass that existed prior to Vatican II.
What does this even mean @leonie..? It really sounds cultish.
The TLM will be. celebrated underground, if necessary. Have no doubt about it.
And you’re okay with that - playing ‘persecuted church’ no doubt. It’s just rebellion, nothing righteous about it.
The Vatican will never be able to cancel the TLM
Yes they can and at this point I think they should. What was and could be beautiful, has been weaponised. When this happens, people become gods unto themselves - look closely - inward - truly tragic.
@@marydantu1102 WHAT? PLEASE elaborate what you hint at..!
@@maristella9062 clear as day ma’am. Who do you worship - TLM or Jesus?
@@marydantu1102 “Weaponized”???? I attend the TLM and we only worship Jesus. I grew up in Europe and was only able to attend a TLM Mass. Now that I live in the US, I attend a TLM an hour away from my home. Why would you want a Catholic Mass canceled? Do you not think about the Catholics who only have a “TLM” Mass to attend? The Mass that 98% of all the saints attended!! How can someone be so angry that they would want to take away a Mass from Catholics?
@@kathleen4688 of course, I said nothing about cancelling Masses. However, when people adhere so strongly to something that it becomes divisive, schismatic and openly rebellious against Christ’s church, then there’s something wrong. For you it was a natural, because it was what you are used to. However, when someone refuses to attend a New Order Mass, because it’s not the Latin Mass, you must in good conscience see that such an attitude is not of God. And this is the overwhelming belief of people in this thread. That is what is concerning.
The SSPX is the Fourth largest religious order in the Catholic Church. Thank God for ArchBishop Lefebvre. One Bishop had the courage to stand up to Modernist Rome.
And yet the SSPX denies a dogma of the Catholic faith which is one must obey a true pope and true bishops. They believe the popes since Vatican II were true popes but pick and choose which of their degrees they will follow. This is Protestantism.
@stopfabrications Incorrect. The SSPX believes what the Church has always taught (both the Ordinary and Extraordinary Mageisterium) and does not take a position on the seemingly heretical teachings of V2 or any Pope that contradicts the perennial teachings of Holy Mother Church.
If anyone is Protestant, it's a Bishop who claims the authority of his office in order to teach heresy.
JPII kissed the devil's book called the Quran. Francis has publicly worshiped a pagan sex God. Even Paul VI declared that the council let the smoke of Satan enter the Church and said the "new" mass was deficient.
The Church is in an uunprecedented crisis. During uncertainty and crisis, the most prudent action is to follow what you have certainty about.
Your attitude is the same as those who banished, ridiculed and even excommunicated St.Athansius, who was God's primary Eartly instrument to save the Church from the Arian heresy.
We are never obligated to obey evil instructions.
@@stopfabrications thank you, yes! What is wrong with these people?
@@DystopiaFatigue you need to rest in the Lord and let God be God. You know who that is right? The one who has the ‘whole world in His hands’ the creator of the universe, the omniscient, omnipotent God. God is Father. God is good. Everything he does is good. It’s that immensely powerful, yet so simple. Be at peace.
@@marydantu1102 I'm at complete peace with what I know to be true. God is in charge and He often uses tribulations for our good and the good of the Church. The wolves in sheep's clothing are our cross to bear, choosen by Him for this time and for us to live during this crisis. What He expects us to do is actively work out our salvation through Christ crucified and by His grace. He does not want us to worship false gods (1st commandment), profane the Mass (3rd commandment), or dishonor our forebears (4th commandment).
The modernists and the insufficient new mass continually do both. It is our obligation to do defend what is true and holy. We will be held accountable for our complacency. Remember that the rich man suffered the fires of Gahenna for lack of action based on his refusal to act in justice.
God doesn't expect us to be in a sinking ship and say, "Oh well! It's God's will that we sink. I shouldn't get a life jacket or life boat. And I should stand by as other unknowingly go down with the ship."
That's very un-Chistian. We must fight for Our Lord and His Church, not be spectators to it's demise.
Father Murr is a wonderful spokesman for authentic Catholic faith and worship.
YES!!!
Fr Charles Murr is absolutely wonderful!!! A lover of Jesus Christ and His Catholic Church!!!
God bless this wonderful priest ❤️🙏❤️
@@paulfaigl8329 YES!!!
***WHAT DO YOU MEAN BY "AUTHENTIC".***
BUGNINI was EVIL..
He was a Freemason.
Pope Paul VI said upon sending Bugnini packing to the hinterlands of Iran that he was something worse than a freemason.
What exactly is worse than a freemason???!
I am a layperson, and will never be pope, but if I was elected pope tomorrow, I would want Fr. Murr by my side.
Dream on .. absolutely idiotic - no original thought. Isn’t that bandwagon tipping yet? Oh yes, also because you’re a self-proclaimed Protestant.
If you were as knowledgeable as a pope you would probably have a different idea.
And Ab Vigano a holy priest❤I stand with him against the heresies of Rome 🙏
@@djo-dji6018I righteous pope!!!
@@patriciagrenier9082 no, wicked, deceitful and schismatic
''If I were the devil, I would do away with the TLM'' (Paul Harvey 1965 broadcast)
Exactly.
The devil also loves people constantly rebelling and attacking Christ's Church.
@andreasmoser2362 Yup. He can take his best shot, but not gonna happen.
@@djo-dji6018 Really? Paul VI and John Paul II confirm the post-conciliar crisis which has only gotten worse.
In 1968, Paul VI said,
The church finds herself in an hour of anxiety, a disturbed period of self-criticism, or what would even better be called self-destruction. It is an interior upheaval, acute and complicated, which nobody expected after the Council. It is almost as if the church were attacking herself. We looked forward to a flowering, a serene expansion of conceptions which matured in the great sessions of the Council. But …. one must notice above all the sorrowful aspect. It is as if the Church were destroying herself.
In 1972, Paul VI said,
We have the impression that through some cracks in the wall the smoke of Satan has entered the temple of God: it is doubt, uncertainty, questioning, dissatisfaction, confrontation[.] … We thought that after the Council a day of sunshine would have dawned for the history of the Church. What dawned, instead, was a day of clouds and storms, of darkness, of searching and uncertainties.
In 1981, John Paul II stated,
We must admit realistically and with feelings of deep pain, that Christians today in large measure feel lost, confused, perplexed and even disappointed; ideas opposed to the truth which has been revealed and always taught are being scattered abroad in abundance; heresies, in the full and proper sense of the word, have been spread in the area of dogma and morals, creating doubts, confusions and rebellion; the liturgy has been tampered with; immersed in an intellectual and moral relativism and therefore in permissiveness, Christians are tempted by atheism, agnosticism, vaguely moral enlightenment and by a sociological Christianity devoid of defined dogmas or an objective morality.
@djo-dji6018 the 2nd Vatican Council.modernists, and Jesuits, for example.
We in Ireland were prohibited from our Mass ,We just had our Msses in Hegegrow despite what the enemy tried to stop us .We will never desert our Holy Mass,God Bless the Cancelled bishops,Priests God bless Fr Murr Amen
Oh gosh, are there nutters in Ireland as well. God bless the ‘cancelled’ priests… what does that even mean?
July 16, 2024, Feast of Our Lady of Mt. Carmel. Why does Francis insist on plunging more thorns into the Immaculate Heart Mary on feast days.
Isn’t it obvious?
Why? Isn't it obvious? Let them. Let's go Brandon 🤠
IT is our 30th Anniversay and 3 years ago we had just found THE TRUE LATIN MASS...SSPX
WE will NEVER LEAVE OUR LORD!!
Because he serves the devil not Christ.
It goes back to Genesis
33:04 watered down liturgy leads to watered down Catholicism
Exactly when Bugnini and 6 Protestants watered it down.
@@dentryn4365 this reality shakes worldviews which is why so many refuse to acknowledge reality. The best medicine is wrestling with Dostoyevsky’s Grand Inquisitor. Come through the other side of that dark 🕳️ and you can say you have a faith tested under the 🔥
Thank you very much, Joe and Father Murr, for the wonderful podcast. As a TLM catholic, I am looking at the current movement in the Vatican with a little concern, but I am confident that TLM will continue to grow, openly or underground. God bless both of you!
Greetings from Brazil!
And you’re okay with ‘underground’??? Please stop calling yourself Catholic.
I would still like to attend a TLM...there are just a few here in the Philippines. God bless everyone.
This to will pass, every document, everyday, every scandal, we get closer to the Immaculate Heart of Mary’s triumph!!! Keep Hope boys and girls
Salve Maria! Here in Brazil there is a HUGE growth of the TLM especially among the young people. SSPX chapels and other places are always packed.
Yes, just like the other Protestant churches are packed👏🏻
I love father Murr, he tells it like it is ,the truth
many priests are treated with cruelty, for many reasons, in many ways.
Many ex altar boys don't mind.
@@kevinkelly2162gross
@@kevinkelly2162 Yes, well, i was an Altar Boy, back when that is what we were called, and no problem. I respected my priest, and he never gave me a reason not to hold him in high regard. Compared to a lot of priests today, he was a Saint.
@@erikriza7165 But yours is not the universal experience.
@@kevinkelly2162yours either
If they ban the mass, keep praying for those in purgatory..
Purgatory is not a biblical truth, neither pray for the dead. Once a person dies the soul goes to heaven if he/ she was a Christian or to hell if the person was not a believer. That is what the Bible teaches.
@@PablaMMoore depends which Bible you are referring to, right?
@@PablaMMoore:
The Bible?
The Holy Bible?
That Catholic book?
...and you think that Catholics don't know what it teaches?
Is there a connection between TLM and Purgatory?
@@alhilford2345 They add to the Bible doctrines made by the Catholic church.
Revelation 22:18-19
I ❤love my old Latin Mass. Let's keep praying 🙏
The TLM is not your old Latin Mass. The focus of any Mass should be the Eucharist, not the language of the Mass. The TLM is a cult.
People should have moral courage to scandalize evil.
Fear...it's a powerful aphrodisiac.
But only actual evil, not good depicted as evil.
I go to the Novas Ordo Mass and i wouldn't even know where a TLM is but i don't understand this hatred of the TLM just because it's not modern . It's like trying to ban classical music because you don't like it and it's not modern . There's a kind of piggishness going on here .
Islam thrives because they globally worship in a common classical language.
I travel, and go to
either T.L.M or N.O. Mass. The NO masses are all very different, the individual priest is allowed to extemporize.
The TLM is reassuringly similar everywhere.
I have a dual language missal, however the focus is on the the Sacrifice of the Mass. I don't need to understand Latin, but am, in passing, picking up that beautiful language anyway.
So even if they cancel the original Mass N.O will be different in every parish anyway, and if you travel ..
Babel ...
God Bless.
@@veronica_._._._that was the point. To break up the church. Everything collapsed in one generation. Low vocations.
I highly recommend it! I was raised in the Novus Ordo but have been attending the TLM since 2017... truly we were robbed of our inheritance
Actually, it goes deeper and more Evil than piggishness.
I agree completely. I would love to attend a TLM at some point. Why ban something that is meaningful to a devout group.
Here in Sweden the action against the TLM has been draconian. The result has been that the kind of young people who were drawn to the Catholic Church during the Benedict era are now looking at the local Eastern Orthodox Churches, which are well established here.
The ban on the TLM is an own goal.
The western Orthodox Church would welcome us all and probably want to learn the Latin mass themselves, as their liturgy looks like what a Latin mass in the vernacular would look like in Catholicism.
We could use this catastrophe to close the east west schism. Ha.
"pray the rosary every day" --- Our Lady of Fatima --- 1917 -⚔
Fr Murr is so right about people who have lost
of Faith.
You equate the non Latin Mass with losing the faith?
Another example of the Synod being the 'listening' church. They have no listening for tolerance for diversity or equity or inclusion for the tlm, but if the tlm was something the lgbt wanted, how different it would be, they would listen and be tolerant and inclusive.
Typical leftist bafoonary , they’re hypocrites.
100%! We want “Listen” to the members of the church-but not when you say things we don’t want to hear!
They are led by the nose, by the World.
I do not believe that the Vatican has the authority to eliminate traditional celebrations of the holy Mass. I believe that any alterations are undermining our Catholic faith.
The Pope/Vatican can do whatever GOD infallibly tells them to do -- and YOU must obey or you are not a true catholic..... Its incredible that YOU follow all the un-Biblical nonsense about Mary that the Vatican has invented these past 1500 years, and yet you balk at a mass being done in another "language". Your logic is so very flawed.
Down-to-earth genuine humour. Thank you gentlemen.
Our Lady of the Roses said on September 13, 1975 “ A coalition of evil is being formed in the Eternal City, My child. You will pray for Cardinal Villot and Benelli, Giovanni Benelli.
“You must tell them, My child, by letter that their actions are not hidden to the Eternal Father. He has looked upon them and found them wanting.
“Come out of the darkness now, or you will be cast into the abyss!”
July 16th is also the very feast of Our Lady of Mt. Carmel. The Scapular and the Rosary.
I’m not a trad catholic and I deeply care about the TLM. Please, trad Catholics, don’t leave the church! It’s what the modernists want. Don’t cede ground to them. Stay. It’s only a matter of time before these old guys die and leave the church in the hands of the devout.
‘…these old guys… will leave’ - seriously? Who do you think you are? I would fall on my knees in Repentance. You think you’re the first people to rebel against the Church from within? It’s happened throughout history and the Church has and will continue to stand, because Jesus said so. So go ahead and celebrate being just another line in the sad history of those in rebellion against the Church.
The Catechism of the Catholic Church warns about these times. Likely, you will never hear, these 3 paragraphs preached in a homily! For the warning See: under "The Church's Ultimate Trial" Paragraph #'s 675,676,677!
Love fr. Charles Murr
I do care I'm a conservative traditional catholic if Francis walked in my church I'd walk out
It’s Pope Francis and dear, it would seem you walked out a long time ago. It’s called, being schismatic.
You have made your choice as many have through the ages - sadly nothing new. And here’s the truth- the Church will stand, because Jesus promised.
They are telling my story & how I was drawn back to the Latin Mass @ our Tyler, TX Cathedral. Tks to Bsp Strickland. I'm 74 so went to Latin Mass in Canada til I was 13 (change hadn't hit there yet) & our family moved to California w my family. What a shock to see no veiling or hats, no kneelers, no Latin & a rather cold envirnment. At 13 I was shocked & did not like it. I stayed Catholic until I was 33 & divorced my husband & took our children & moved to Texas. I was outside of the Catholic Church at that time & reading many books on Early Church Fathers & was looking to find an old fashioned type of faith & environment like the early Church Fathers practiced. Found a self ordained man & his family that was just starting this type of church. A number of large families followed his efforts.
After a cpl years & still searching, I "happened" to be passing the Tyler, Texas Cathedral & I just decided to stop & talk to a priest. By Grace of God one was available. A young Irish priest who happened to be in that day. I'm Irish as well. Tk you Jesus. He taught & led me back to the true Church. I was hungry. Got my questions all answered & came back in officially on Christmas Day.
Now, 25 yrs later it's still the best decision I've ever made. 2nd was finding our Latin Mass, tks to Bsp Strickland. I hope & pray we don't lose it.
BTWay, several Latin Masses were started all over our huge diocese. I can see now why the Pope wanted to get rid of Bsp Strickland.
Tk You Jesus for him. ❤ Please protect all holy Bishops thru the end of time!
❤❤❤
Bishop Strickland was allegedly involved in a real estate scam. That ks why he was removed. Beware of wolves in sheep clothing.
***OH! YES!!! LATIN MAKES IT MORE MYSTERIOUS LESS UNDERSTANDING; MUCH MORE SUPERSTICIOUS.***
@@adelinomorte7421:
Do you imagine that people will agree with you just because you SHOUT??
Tell your story everywhere this is needed
@@alhilford2345 ***get a life***
Father Murr, thank you for speaking the truth, so that we know what’s really happening. The truth is a form of consolation
It is a consolation❤
Father Murr- GOD REWARD YOU FOR YOUR COURAGEOUS CONVERSATIONS OF TRUTH! I loved the ‘Murder in the 33rd Degree ‘ book and the clerical masons are so proud they don’t even care! God bless, direct and protect you. You are living proof God e we I’ll not leave us orphans.
“Hold fast to the traditions that have been handed down to you, either by word of mouth or by letter.”
I love hearing Fr. Murr's insights from all his experiences in the Church. It was quite a surprise to hear on a previous podcast he was from my hometown and only a couple of years behind me at St. Augustine's grade school.
We have the Rite to be TLM
"What they have done to Bishop Strickland is outrageous " those words are harrowing.
One thing that I've never been able to get out of my mind is the handshake between the pope and Nancy P when he dragged her over, maintaining the handshake, to get a different backdrop for the picture. That handshake looked very much like the "secret" handshake. Then later when they're exchanging gifts, Nancy made an odd formation of her fingers across her chest that looked like some code or message. It was very deliberate. I wish somebody could tell me I am wrong.
You're absolutely right. The secret hand-shakers took over the Vatican with John XXIII and have occupied it ever since. The Catholic Church is no longer in Rome but resides in your faithfulness to the Magisterium from Genesis 1:1 up to the 1958 conclave. Pray the Rosary daily; our Mother's Immaculate Heart will save the faithful from this apostasy. For now, this truth will give you perfect peace.
Paul 6 was SPINELESS!
Or… he had some interesting way of behaving with whom he disagreed. Read Fr. Murr’s book “The godmother”, he explains it there.
Pope Paul VI wrote Humana Vitae, but did nothing to defend its teaching or to reprimand those priests and bishops who expressed their opposition to it. He kowtowed to the United Nations and was ready to hand over control of the Church to them Now Pope Francis doing much the same.as he prepares for the 2030 Summit of Ustainsnilityb Sustainability with the UN including the socialistic hoax of “global warming”.
The late Father Gregory Hesse called Pope Paul VI a heretic.
I heard that he was a homosexual and effeminate. Therefore, of course he would have been spineless.
I just said that out loud at that point!
Great program! Enjoy Faher Murr. Thank you.
UNITY, UNITY, UNITY
The church is being attacked from within, we need to stand in the gap and pray for everyone to be illuminated by the Holy Spirit
Pray the flame of love Rosary, so very powerful, it blinds Satan and demons and Unity prayer
No unity with wicked men...
@@sergesavard636 The “Unity” is with Jesus.
It's not unity at all costs. We can't compromise the faith in order to have unity.
Unity is a vague term unless given context. Real unity was global when all Catholics prayed Traditional Latin Mass unlike today no unity anywhere. True unity required an end to new order bogus Order Mass for TLM. Its kind of obvious
@@sergesavard636 then step outside the Church brother. ‘The gates of Hell will not prevail against’.
So so sad. With God all things are possible. Keep praying my brothers & sisters.
I attend the N O mass for various reasons but it was at the Latin Mass that I learned how to worship. I feel every Catholic should be exposed to the beauty of the Latin Mass.
It should be no further than 30 minutes drive from all lay faithful. It’s a fruit of the faith.
Each time, I learn a lot from Father Murr's "digressions". Thank you, Mr. Joe Maclane for giving him this venue. 👍
A wonderful pastor once told me regarding Christianity: if it's new, it isn't true.
Rabbi's would say the same about.......
Rather trite, meaningless statement…
You are the best , especially your video with Dr. ToTaylor about the whole lineup of the events leading up to the death of Pope John Paul the first and the scandal afterwards, I could have listened to you talk about that for hours
Fr. Murr, Your comments (32:25 to 35:00) are especially cogent and spot on.
Knowing how the Present Mass form was put together they continue to press us to accept it as better than the old form.
so much truth here.... painfully so... THANK YOU!
I have never attended TLM but i am drawn to it spiritually
Excellent video! I love Father Murr!!
This podcast was Fantastic! Keep this up!!!
The Latin Mass should be kept, as well as mass in the vernacular. Both are beautiful. Also, please tell me why the Traditional Catholics seem to disregard the Eastern Rites? My family from Slovakia were Carpatho-Ruthenian Eastern Rite Catholic.
I absolutely do not. I love the ancient rites of all kinds. The Visigothic (Mozarabic) Rite from Spain is really interesting, I wish the Celtic rite hadn’t completely vanished, the eastern rite is great, I’m glad it’s a liturgy offered for Catholics.
@@Thor-Orion Many thanks!
An Irish man 74yrs of age, the novus ordo "mass" never felt right to me,30yrs ago I found the TLM,
I will not attend what has definite Protestant tendencies within the paul the sixth mass, I am Catholic like all my previous ancestors.
Is it a "protestant tendency" to follow the instructions of the Apostle in 1Corinth 14 -- to only speak the language that the congregation understands in church ?? If the congregation does not understand LATIN, then Latin should not be spoken in church.
Blessings and appreciation from Sydney Australia.
And from Canberra as well.
And from Perth West Australia 🙏🏼
I Would watch the Murr Tangent daily!!!
Hey from New Zealand 👋. Just found your channel.
Great show 🔥👏😎.
God bless, Ave Maria 🙏⛪⚓👑.
As a layman and a convert of about 60 years, I never understood why more people didn't stand up after Vatican II and say this is absurd you guys, now stop it!
Is there an organization of lay people who feel like I do?
Acedia, they drifted away ... and made up excuses to themselves why later.
Television, portable transistor radios and Sunday Trading did as much damage then, as the internet does now. Wall of sound drowned out coherent thinking.
There is indeed an organisation. It's called The Society of Pius X. Thank God for Archbishop Marcel Lefebvre!
Yes. We're called "sedevacantists".
@user-er8gg9yu4b Absolutely. I was ten at the time but there was obedience that obliged us to obey. Not a word was said about how the new Mass was formulated by Bugnini and six Protestants. Had the faithful known, there would certainly have been an uprising. Some did leave the Church though and eventually found the TLM.
We didn't stand up because we were bound by obedience nor did we question or have an inkling that the new Mass by Bugnini had the help of 6 Protestants with Paul Vl blessing. Rome had us right where they wanted. Some who knew better left and found the SSPX and the tradition latin Mass.
...‘not in confession in 10yrs😢... looks like it’s happening in my parish. I’m talking abt it n they all laugh saying none of them needs it... n fr my own experience I need to make appointment f/ many times n none of my priests response to it ...😔
I went in for confession in a novus ordo parish with mostly older people the priest was talking with parishioners before Saturday night mass which is fine but there were no confessions going on at all he did do it when I asked, though
I enjoyed the segment, thank you for sharing. For those who live in the City of God, live in Spirit with him.
I have attended the Tridentine Mass for 24 years. I WILL NOT attend the NO.
What does it cost Rome to continue the TLM? Nothing. Who will get hurt if they remove the TLM? Many
It costs them loss of people to proper theology which doean´t allow revolution in the church... TLM stands in the way of revolution.
@@terezka5340 maybe not revolution but sanity.
Our diocesan TLM is in danger. The nearest FSSP is an hour and a half away through bad traffic. The nearest SSPX, however, is 10 minutes away. I have not needed to go there thus far...
Yes, please hurry - go!
You can go to an sspx TLM! Wish I lived there! Where is it?
They’ve pushed you to the SSPX. Lefebvre was a really prescient thinker. He saved the Latin mass for us, truly. All the founders of the Ecclesia Dei were at Lefebvre’s seminary. The SSPX seems to be the place worthy of attendance for trying to offer the Latin mass to as many faithful Catholics as they can while the Vatican wants to destroy it for no reason.
Our unity, within the One Holy Catholic Apostolic Church, has always been one of belief not of liturgy. In that light the suppression of the Vetus Ordo is madness.
Our unity is SPIRITUAL -- we are all indwelled by the SAME Holy Spirit -- see 1Corinth 12:12-14 -- GOD's church/ekklesia is SPIRITUAL -- 1Peter 2:5-6. Nothing PHYSICAL is important to our unity in the Body of Christ -- John 6:63.
Helpful interview. Thank you.
God Bless you Fr. Murr, I love your book Murder in the 33rd Degree and plan on getting your other ones. Thank you Joe for your program and your staff. The infiltration started long ago, read the book The Broken Cross/ the hidden hand in the Vatican by Piers Compton. It's a shocking book all Catholics should read. All of V2 Pope's had a hand in the downfall of the Roman Church.
If they eliminate the FSSP, it'll just lead me into the SSPX.
Force? No one forces Pacapapa crowd. No one. Let's go Brandon and wake up. 👹🪖👹
@@paulfaigl8329 sounds like a battle cry - pathetic. Against whom? Jesus?
I like your videos! They are amazing and balanced!!
Absolutely Loved this video ! I’m new to your channel
Thank you and I love how the Father spoke Real Truth Talk to us !
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Is the rosary next? 🙏♥️
The best for the pope,if he loves the church and cares,is to create and canonize thr TLM as another rite of the church. The 2nd Roman Latin rite,as Benedict xvi's did with ordinary and extraordinary form,and allow the two to go along. But for persecuting Catholics,even to the extent of suppressing and closing the Mass,is a sign!
Why do you think Benedict was banished? He did not oppose the Latin Tridentine Rite. There cannot be two Vicars of Christ simultaneously.
No. On the contrary, the best successor pope is the one who will eliminate the Novus Ordo and restore the Latin or Tridentine Mass only for the Western or Roman Church. If vernacular is even allowed, it should be limited to readings of the Gospels and homily.
That would not be possible because of Quo Primum giving the TLM the status of the Roman Rite.
Besides, if the Old Rite was practised for almost 2000 years, it is considered the will of God as God would not allow the Old Rite to last so many generations if He did not approve of this worship.
However, they can make the NO another Rite.
Edit: Besides the Old Rite has apostolic heritage, having been handed down by St Peter, so there's that.
@@BeachGirlLaw BS conspiracy theory - read and pray God’s Word instead
@@marydantu1102 Praying for him is futile. He needs to be removed. It isn't a theory. He conspired to oust the valid Benedict from outside political forces to push globalist agenda and climate cult theory. The TLM SSPX group need to relocate and self organize. Rome has fallen.
Remember, liars lie no matter the circumstances.
Would you call the Pope a liar for now saying that its okay for priests to bless the sin of hom0sexual unions ?? A lie that contradicts the Bible (Leviticus 18:22, Lev 20:13) -- and who is the father of lies according to Jesus in John 8:44 ??
When the Pope and Church declared Papal Infallibility and changed the Creed...then Pius XII dared to change the Holy Week liturgy after 2000 years and in 1966 the Pope declared the Church was for the issues of this world and temporal power, not the spiritual. Everybody went "Yeah!!!! It's the Poop!!!"
This was a good one .
When Rampolla was elected to the papacy, (his election blocked by the king of the Holy Roman Empire and Pope Pius X elected). The lie the freemasons tell you about not wanting a freemason to be the pope was exposed as a lie. Beside Francis excepted an honorary membership in the Rotary Club and the Rotary symbol in the document he signed, contained within it, the freemasonic symbol, you know the compass and the A thingy!
Great show!
I enjoy hearing about the viewpoints that Shepherd the faithful! I consider myself a traditionalist who has only been exposed to the Novus Ordo mass.
The hand of God is slow but sure. Jesus, Universal King is in charge !!!
It is as St. Pius X said, the end of modernism is atheism. While Popes Pius X and XII condemned cultural modernism. Why, condemn cultural modernism, it's not heresy as a belief? But it was condemned by the popes because of what Archbishop Fulton Sheen once said. "If you don't act according to how you believe, you will begin to believe according to how you act." So cultural modernism was condemned, but Vatican II encouraged it's resurgence and really was it's resurgence!
I will remain in the Papal Catholic Church...as it's the only way home for me. I will continue to trust that Jesus' promise to us..."The gates of Hell will not prevail against Her" will see us through. Jesus saw all this in our future, and He depends upon us to trust His word. Thanks for keeping us informed..
Papal church? Is there anything like that? You mean the church of Pacapapa 😈? Hahaha.
There is no such thing as a papal Catholic Church. There is the one, holy, Catholic, and apostolic Church and it isn't the one led by Francis who is anti-Catholic and therefore, anti-Christ. The true Catholic Church consists of those who believe and follow the perennial teachings that Christ taught, handed to his apostles and handed down to their valid successors. The church led by Francis (and prior to him, Benedict XVI, John Paull II, John Paul 1, Paul VI, and John XXIII) is a counterfeit church that believes and practices an anti-Christian religion called Modernism, the synthesis of all heresies as pointed out by a true pope, Pope St. Pius X.
@@stopfabrications You just quote Martin Luther.
@@kimlersue No he didn't. He quoted Pope St. Pius X who spoke about a religion of modernism which is a synthesis of all heresies.
@@dentryn4365 If you leave..you mimic Luther, Henry VIII, and Calvin..et al
How do these men not realize that God IS watching them
God is judging them !
Hell is an option ! Don’t they care ?
As a catholic here in Germany, we have different challenges, the wokeness of some of our bishops and the declining number of believers, both go hand in hand I am sure. As a catholic, who was absent for a few years of the church, the current situation of the church feels devistating. I like the description of Father Murr, who explains the situation of the church but also how the vatican and the leaders work, intrigues etc.. Last week I had longer chat with our Father here in our parish and he said something very true: the church lost something at the battle of the Milivian Bridge, when the first roman emperor became a christian afterwards and church, state and power of people were not seperated anymore and changed the essence of the church.
Let´s pray for better times.
Is the traditional mass part of the Deposit of Faith asserted by Vatican 1?
Saint Pius X wrote a Papal Bull that the TLM Missal of 1962 cannot be discarded. He believed that it is the True Mass of the Ages. BTW, you should watch Mass of the Ages. It has 3 or 4 parts and is a Very good history.
I could listen to Dr. Mac and Fr. Murr for hours…..
Leave the Latin Mass alone ❤ The father ❤ the son and ❤the Holy ghost. Come holy spirit fill the hearts of the faithful and inkindle them the fire 🔥 of thou love
You contradict the Apostle -- Latin in not to be spoken in a congregation that does not understand Latin -- only the language that the congregation understands is to be spoke in church -- 1Corinth 14.
I must buy Fr. Murr's book!
Father Murr thank you. Its' as simple as that. it is the devil. God bless you.
Mr. McClane, In Italian gn is pronounced like the n sound in "onion". You don't pronounce a hard "g" and then an "n"; it is a blend. Always think "onion" when you see "gn" in Italian. Proud of my heritage. 🇮🇹
Absolutely agree that correct pronunciation of that beautiful language should be used! (And I’m Irish American married to Anglo-Polish man in London.) Italian pronunciation is very regular, unlike English. Everyone can say “lasagne” correctly, so just use that as a guide. Same with “tagliatelle”, in which the “gli” sounds like the “lli” in William.
Which word did he mis pronounce?
Bugnini
@seppe1701 Bugnini
@@avantibev5814 is it pronounced 'bun yee nee'? Or 'boon yee nee'?
This an awesome CZcams channel. Kudos to Joe M
Such an informative interview, thanks, Joe. I’ve subscribed on the strength of this. BTW there is no such word as “cancelization” (or “cancelize”). It’s just cancel (verb) and cancelation (noun).
I truly believe the TLM Mass willnot be stopped. God will not allow it.
the SSPX won't stop. The Pope may demand it but that doesn't mean a whole lot anymore.
Absolutely excellent interview/discussion. Father Murr truly puts everything into perspective and backs up every suspicion with facts.
Truly one of the best discussions I've heard and answers so many questions.
(Question: Is Father Murr safe? Has he been cancelled as well?)
I grew up believing that there were religious statues in little niches every where all touch worn from a loving reverence. Because no one would pass them without prayer our at least saying the sign off the cross. That they stopped to say the angelus together when the bells rang out in remembrance.
Certainly all there were more devout.
What a deceptive thought for them to be ther wise
Frankly speaking, the more the Vatican today does, the stronger the sedevacant position it becomes. Which one is it? Is it that the Church errs or that the Church must be free from erring? We know the latter to be true. Please can someone explain to me how we got here and how it is possible then, that the maxim that the Church can only teach truth be applied to Rome today?
It applies to dogmatic teachings only. Francis never defined anything dogmatically so anything he says can be errorrous. Sedavacant position cannot be strong in any real way becasue of this: They believe that post conciliar popes were not real popes and the seat has been vacant. If that is true all the bishops who were consecrated by the last real pope are long dead. With them the power of apostles - gone for ever... And with that power to elect new pope is gone as well...
Jesus said He would be with His church for ever... So it presumes church´s existence until His second coming. By sedevacant position the church is already gone without being able to repair itself because the real bishops are dead and new valid pope cannot be elected.
It´s not a solution. The solution is prayer, trust in God and resistence to error and sin.