First Real Test Drive of the CBR1000 Off Road Buggy
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Chris, there is absolutely nothing to be embarrassed over here! This is precisely the purpose of a TEST run; to get a feel for the machine and work out any obvious kinks. In fact, I'd say this test run was a great success, as you were able to walk away with several changes in mind already. Thank you for all the hard work that goes into both fabricating and filming/editing!!!
It didn't throw a rod, it didnt catch fire, it didnt break in half. Success!!
Bro what happened last weekend to the seahawks
exactly-- engineering is learning at the speed of failure. lol... You have to fail before you know what's wrong. This thing is gonna be awesome.
You engineered something without a degree even engineers have to fine tune things. I love the design concept and boy does she look menacing. Greasy side down catch ya in the next one!
Unlike those Seahawks am I right?
Trial and error dude. Works good for the first test. Changes/mods are to be expected with a custom build.
actually you can calculate the theoretical top speed if you work out the gear box ratios, sprocket ratios and measure the circumference of the rear wheel.
I have a spreadsheet that works it out...
@@tom5051666 the 3 speed was the wildcard. you have to know the ratios in it to be able to calculate final gear ratio.
@Oscar Fajardo does what? spends 20 minutes making a spreadsheet?
@Oscar Fajardo I would lol, hate taking stuff apart a million times
Watching you struggle to try and muscle a powered vehicle up the ramp instead of just getting a tad more speed really made my day, love the vids
Haha I laughed at this also
That was really funny 😂
it wasnt funny it triggered everything inside me at the same time..... NO NO NO NO NO and NO but then i laught when he just drove it on
IT EVEN HAS A WINTCH ON THE FRONT !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! more no no no hahahhhahahhahaha
He should modify his trailer with a winch. It would help him out big time, especially since it's only himself wrestling his machines on it. :)
Did not sound as if it was actually changing gears.
Agreed
I dont think he made it out of 2nd
Yeah I had a listen back after reading your comment and it definitely sounds like there was no change in gears.
street bike motors have very close sized gears to keep the bike in its power band area when you shift
the more you gear it down like he has done the closer the shifts become
my buggy does 100 in first but will only gain about 20kms each shift at redline
was like 40ish kmh each shift when in the street bike stock
Yeah-- at 16:00 you can see that where the cable hooks up to that little stubby arm-- the arm is far too short, and that is taking away all his leverage and mechanical advantage. You have to think of this pivits and arms as "gears-- except instead of counting teeth, you are just counting inches away form the center pivot. Its simply too short of an arm.. It will be easy to fix if he just reads this and sees exactly why its wrong... He'll get it.
Give it bigger rear tires. You'll get the clearance and the gearing.
I think it needs larger wheels or at least on rear just because those little one's look kinda tiny....
Yes I agree as well! Bigger tires and some protection under the sprockets
yea maybe an inch or so bigger
This is what I was going to comment as well.
40's aught to do
Secret to success: Fall down 7 times, get up 8... You got this!!!
SN-8 got it up, but may take SN-9 to finish safely....???
Never herd that saying i like it 👌🏼
Only 7? He hasn't even wrecked it yet and broke half the parts so that can be rebuilt stronger.. lol. Engineering is always a work in progress. Chris, Have you ever heard of recalls on vehilces. bwahahaha.... failing is mandatory.
No smarter words have been spoken...
Couple strips of expanded mesh on the trailer will fix the loading problem and I would highly recommend some skid plates under those drive sprockets. Great build.
Or just get a little more run at it and it will hop right up there. Momentum is your friend.
@@calholli yes it is
Or just drive straight on like a normal person. Notice it went right up when he did that.
Fuck that. Use the track he mangled for no fucking reason. Theres like 6 bolts to pull a goddam track. (Plus chaincase cover and a set screw on the shaft)
Mate, you fabricate like a god but you drive like a granny.
Ditto, with bike gearbox you can quickshift it with no clutch. Smaller rear sprockets deffn. Hope chain idler is at the bottom before the sprockets. Great suspention, did you notice how smooth it is? It will make a awesome desert buggy with correct ratios 😉
Ya was boring to watch
Gear ratio is far off this goes max 20mph.. But once he get gear ratio right is gonna be monster
@@jonajanezic4624 Its not just the gearing, that engine red lines at 12000rpm, at 8k its only just entering the meat of the power
@@yawningkitty457 I don't think it even hit 5k rpm lol
You have Absolutely nothing to be embarrassed about! It would been difficult to calculate the gearing without knowing the ratios in the 3 speed.
It’s freaking sweet! Be proud!
It's actually pretty easy to do, you just need to count how many revolutions the input shaft needs to turn before the output shaft completes one revolution. Repeat for every gear and it'll give you the ratio for each gear. The bikes output ratio is pretty easy to find, and from there, some basic calculation will give you the right gears you need if you want to go at a certain speed.
It might sound complicated on paper, but look how much time you waste trying to figuring out the right gearing just by ''winging it'', on top of buying sprockets that you don't need. And after all that, he still has now clue what sprockets he needs to buy, and looking at how he designed his trailing arms, he might need to modified them if the sprocket's size needs to change a lot.
Also all 3 speeds are 1:1 in 3rd
It looked to me like you didn't have enough clutch throw. When you were stopped and put it into 2nd it lurched a bit. So it looks to me like the clutch is dragging a bit. Fantastic build and the suspension looks awesome.
Exactly. Also considering the clutch problems from the last video, this may be exactly what is causing the shift problems. My bikes with hydraulic clutch used to suffer from problematic shifting from time to time. Never had that problem with a cable operated clutch. Those just break and then you're stuck :P
Exactly clutch is not disengaging enough. Also you should be able to shift with clutch easily once in first gear.
@@ActivityPhoto since this is a motorbike engine..he should be able to even shift without the clutch when the buggy is rolling!..motorbike engines have a shifter claw..means..they work way different than a car gearbox..;)
greetings from germany and sorry for my bad english
No.. -- at 16:00 you can see that where the cable hooks up to that little stubby arm-- the arm is far too short, and that is taking away all his leverage and mechanical advantage. You have to think of this pivits and arms as "gears-- except instead of counting teeth, you are just counting inches away form the center pivot. Its simply too short of an arm.. It will be easy to fix if he just reads this and sees exactly why its wrong... He'll get it. (plus I agree, they don't like to shift sitting still-- shift if on the move)
To shift without clutch you have to rev match the engine to take the load off the gears, and hes not able to do that(its alot easier on a bike). Its always accell or decel on this buggy and u cant shift out of a gear like that. I think its his clutch. U dont need much leverage at all to change gears
Motorcycle gearboxes dont like changing gears when sitting still, that's just how they are. But if you're having issues when its moving along then theres probably something wrong with the shift forks and if its popping out of gears when going along then theres probably something wrong with the dogs in the gearbox or theres might be something wrong with the gear shifter mechanism that you made
No.. -- at 16:00 you can see that where the cable hooks up to that little stubby arm-- the arm is far too short, and that is taking away all his leverage and mechanical advantage. You have to think of this pivits and arms as "gears-- except instead of counting teeth, you are just counting inches away form the center pivot. Its simply too short of an arm.. It will be easy to fix if he just reads this and sees exactly why its wrong... He'll get it. (plus I agree, they don't like to shift sitting still-- shift if on the move)
came here to say just this, 2nd gear is not about that low rev parking lot shift on bikes.
Floor it. Rev it the hell out hit that rev limiter. This doesn’t sound like my 1000 superbike. Sure it’s a cbr 1000 ?
Just sounds different because of the headers and exhaust setup
I hunk he should wait on doing that until he does an oil change or two remember the water he had in his oil well that should be clear before high revs.
Look at the tachometer... not even close to the power band 🤦🏻♂️
@@brutallyhonestmf5578 power band? On a 4st
@@rickybobby1870 def power band on them. They love being upper revs. 9k and up they really pull. Anything low and they r terrible.
"More ment to be a rock climber"...can't get on the trailer lol. Excited to see version 2.0
try shifting without clutching just release the throttle shift and than shift motorcycle gear boxes like to shift better at high rev
I second this. the cbr1000rr is a sequential box, so you can just drop the throttle, gear and hit the gas again.
had the same thought.. and also, if linkage is not allowing to shift, undo linkage and try to manually shift at motor to see if you could get into 6th gear.
He cant fucking drive for shit 🤦🏽♂️
Clutchless shifting hurts the dogs in the gearbox. Don't do it. It might feel smoother to you, but the gearbox gets a massive shock load when you do it.
@@kyledelange7055 Noted, will avoid it. My mechanic mentioned something tangenting on the subject when i discussed a quickshifter.
Man, You are a Wizard at building everything! I've almost watched everything you have done since day one. I have learned a lot of things watching your page. I'm like, I can hardly wait to see what's next. You make it look so easy. Keep up the good Work. Love it!
That test went well, suspension looks sweet. Spin that secondary gear box at half the speed will lower the noise, your gear change will do this. Then it's just a matter of how much torque it can handle. (You know this already, I just had to say it). Nice work!
top speed may not be that important tearing down tight trails i would fix the shifter and trail ride it before i did anything drastic. its BADASS DUDE
It will be easy to fix with a few sprockets
Keep up the good work bro! You're kicking ass through this learning process. Says a lot when you can laugh off your frustration.
Nice shake down. I like it and I will keep watching for the update.
Invite the Grind Hard guys to test it a little! They'd be flying off ramps and up mountains... 😂
Wow are we supposed to be impressed you watch grind hard. Last thing he needs to hear is how another channel would ride the buggy better than him 🤦🏻♂️
No they wouldn’t because it’s geared too low. This is a test so see if it’s even working. And it is.
I've heard these engines alot. Something's off about it. It almost sounds like the firing order is wrong. Maybe you accidentally switch a plug wire?
I agree sounds like it’s missing on 2 cylinders
Around 8:20 you can see that the headers are separate. At first I thought he took two 2 cylinder 500cc engines but then I looked closer the headers each pair has it own exhaust. So you're not getting the full 4 cylinder sound. You're getting the sound of 2, 2 cylinders.
Great job Chris! Don't be so hard on yourself - you've got proof of concept and as some have mentioned there's always trial/error which will = success! Keep up the great work and sharing what you do!
Mate you gotta be proud of that! It’s good seeing seeing the testing, trial and error involved and how you overcome it, can’t wait for the next video 👌🏻
Ooooh my god. I've been waiting for this!! :D
I was about to say !
what if you make it 4wd. you can easily use cars and cameras fron axle idea with a sprocket or use a diff and axles. ooooorrrrr new project. i know it’s not that easy but why not.
4:12 it sounded and looked like as you upshifted it stayed in the same gear.
Looks like the test went well. That suspension looks silky smooth. Also I enjoyed your music selection in the last vid it goes well with your video style.
man i havent watched the video yet but based on the comments, dude you build badass stuff. remember when you make mistakes, youre saving us from making the same. most of us are learning from you. keep doing you man, we love it.
Chris: hates wiring and wants low speed performance, torque, etc..
Also Chris: keeps building things with sport bike engines
Time for a diesel?
@Quirin M. v2
V-TWIN will give him the low end.
Quote of the day "a million miles an hour slow" 🙌
Man it’s sounds great looks like it’s moving along pretty good to bud awesome build
It's amazing!! Nice first (fun) run!!
Fun looking kart! You desperately need some anti-roll bars going to the wheels and it will be a lot more fun!
this was what many of us were waiting for a long time ago
Well done! Design, build, test, redesign and repeat. Keep up the great work.
That is gonna be one BADASS buggy. I've built a few, always gotta tweak stuff. I love what you did with the camera poles! Best of all things to you and yours good sir......
i love your build man!
i would try different sprocket sizes. get way smaller rear sprockets.
It didn't sound like it was shifting. The RPMs didn't sound like they were changing with your shifting of gears.
These are naturally high revving engines.
I had quite a similar problem with a gear box I didn't know the ratio of on a 4 cylinder quad. But now with a similar middle axle to yours I'm just running a standard front sprocket at the motor and 2 identical on the middle axle and then just a like 40 teeth sprocket at the "output" axle, works great.
Keep up the good work hommie, ur a genius, u got this, cant wait for the next vid
Small sprockets at the wheels will give more top speed and better ground clearance.
+1 for the ground clearance
@@SeaCowsBeatLobsters ground clearance AND ground clearance? nice.
Ask me if I would drive it... we would see where the rev limiter is.😂
I always have to upgrade stuff after the first test ride.I go through a bunch of test rides before I get it right.Good job.
There is no such thing as a failed test run, your great at what you do, keep up the good work and I look forward to your next vid
Again, a pingle electric shifter would make a dramatic difference in these projects. Their expensive but once you switch over you will wonder why you didnt sooner.
Air shit cheaper but annoying air pump
Shift
@@la_plata3588 I have had both and i would choose the electric over air any day. Just the time alone he spent on making linkages would have been worth it.
Man i think that the cluch isn't going all the way in, that's why its so hard to engage some gears
it's a sequential bike gearbox, you only use the clutch in 1st gear to get moving. only need to lift off the throttle briefly when you shift.
@@tom5051666 i didn't knew that, thank you.
Nope--- it would try to take off when you start it.
- at 16:00 you can see that where the cable hooks up to that little stubby arm-- the arm is far too short, and that is taking away all his leverage and mechanical advantage. You have to think of this pivits and arms as "gears-- except instead of counting teeth, you are just counting inches away form the center pivot. Its simply too short of an arm.. It will be easy to fix if he just reads this and sees exactly why its wrong... He'll get it. (plus I agree, they don't like to shift sitting still-- shift if on the move)
Keep plugging away with it. Proud of your hard work.
Proud of your hard work man! You will get this fixed no problem bro!
:yes I finnaly have reverse
five minutes later:ow well that sucks 1:02
This would make a really good tow truck with all that gearing lol
That's what I told my son. lol.. hitch that thing to a car hauler and drop jaws to the floor when it can still tow it in idle. lol
U already have a rock caller! U got this thing buddy. U will get it sorted out in no time. This is a nice build!
I think it is absolutely awesome bro. Looks great, sounds great and appears to drive and manuever well. SEMPER FI, adapt and overcome
Need to get it running on all 4 cylinders you can here it missing
But it ain't
It has a different exhaust
@@funkydunkygaming yes it is missing you can hear it in the exhaust. I know it has 4into 2 on it .
It's not missing it's just the exhaust
@@FUELFIREGARAGE bruh i know what a four cylinder sounds like
Still sounds like it’s down a cylinder
yea that thing should be ripping.
This is a beast about to be let of the cage. Thank you for this!!! It will be insane fast when its figured out...
Perfect man you did it , very nice hard working you will make it better
Good luck
You can see the rear tire and the some engine for the shifter kart he’s building!! Great vids!!
Get rid of the shift lever and go with an air shifter
Been saying it for a while... maybe it'll finally get used this time lol
Then you have to mount an air tank and when it runs out you're stuck...
@@lennym1273 12v pump my quad has in air 12v pump installed
@@la_plata3588 Didn't think it would pump fast enough, what pump you use, name and model?
old GM door lock solenoids
Never be embarrassed you built a machine that half of the people watching you can't build and it runs you just got up figure out the little bugs in it you did a great job and I love it and you have a great Channel 💯💪🏼👍🏻👍🏻🙏🙏🙏🙏✌
I’d say you’ve got an awesome buggy! On builds like this there are always adjustments to be made. Great work!
You would think a 1000cc would have enough power so I can see why you would wing the gearing.
You get the real power after 8k on this engine. Under 4k the cbr1000rr is underpowered..
The motorcycle you pulled that engine off of probably did 60 miles an hour in first gear I have no idea what the gearing in the Spider Box transmission you put in there is but you got to think you probably reduced it 10 to 1 so you're only going to be getting out about 6 7 miles an hour out of first gear and I expect there really close range gears to begin with
Nope--- they will do 95 in 1st gear at redline--- I've tested it... He should get this thing at least down to 4 to1.. I'd go even lower, becaseu he can alwasy drop that 3spd down into first if he want's low gears. He just needs a crash coarse in how to actaully calculate the gearing and make it comparable to other buggies (or the bike, but not SO high. lol)
@@calholli you forget the 52 tooth rear axel sprocket that's reducing everything down that's where I got 10 to 1 from in 3rd on the trans would be 1to1 in 6th he might have been doing 45 50mph
@@dustinmiller7278 yeah-- loll its way too low geared.. Its an easy fix though. i was explaining to him that the reason why it wont shift is because at the rear, the little shift arm that his cable is hooked to is far too short and he's losing all of this mechanical advantage/ which is causing a real spike in the torque requirement. He just needs to make those stubby little arms longer and it would shift like a dream (you can see it at 16:00)
What an awesome build, Chris. That thing is gonna be a ripper once you work the kinks outta it. Keep your chin up ole son. You got this.
I've been stoked for this build from the start. I haven't seen anyone do that rear suspension setup and I love it. Plus I have a sweet spot for street bike motors.
for the gearing, just replace the sprocket on the input of the 3 speed trans with a front sprocket, like a 17-tooth. For the shifter, put a second cable on the other side. That way you're not pushing through a cable, you're pulling with it in either direction you move the shifter.
That's just my two cents. Love the build though!
Dude just scrap that whole back end and go look at how some actual long travel IRS buggy’s rear ends are built and build that thing right and properly use those Kings for their intended design. Have something reliable that works so you can have fun and won’t stress over whats going to break every time you take it out.
I wish he would do this to
smaller sprockets on the wheels, will give you more ground clearance too. Putting a larger front sprocket on will be a pain with the seat clearance. I'd halve the number of teeth on the rear.
Good first try, as always a diy project, a few mods and it will be pure joy !
Few tweaks and that'll be a beast! Nice work! BTW, I love watching you machine parts, great skills!
It didn’t change gears once, stayed in first the entire time
Looks like you definitely need front and rear anti-sway bars bad! But your chassis designs always amaze me!
That is pretty cool man. Been watching through the whole project.
I got hooked after bingeing some of your past projects.
A few tweaks and she should be a ripper!
Take it easy on yourself! This was a success! You need to make some changes but it ran and drove great. You should also do things the way you want to do them and don't let comments change your mind so much while building. You do this every day so you know what works best for you.
Great video and Good Luck!
Didn’t sound like it was even being pushed, wind that 1000cc out man
He never shifted it
Ikr he cant fucking drive 🤦🏽♂️
quickshifter, autoblipper and gear indicator ;)
If he used the original instruments he already has a gear indicator.
Awesome job 👍 keep tweeking it & have fun with it
Congrats! Great fun seeing your videos and I really enjoy the simplicity of the solutions you use. Just a hint, when you take a curve, the front wheels seem misaligned.
It seems to be geared perfect, you just barely revved it at all. If i recall the engine has a redline right around 10000 rpm. In the video it sounded like you were only around 3k to 4k rpm
Exactly
He was in sixth for god sake!
6th gear in high range should be geared to go at least 120mph, not 30! Especially since he has 18 freaking gears.
I know everyone, but lets say he never broke 4000 rpm in 6th. He still has another 6000 rpm to go. Im just saying id do the chain guards first, then open it up and see what it does. Its a dirt machine, it shouldnt be geared exactly like a streetbike.
@@colerippeon3903 He said he didn't get past 8k rpm. Even if it's only 6k rpm in the video, he never went over 30mph. That translates to 50 mph at 10k. Do you really want a 1000cc buggy that needs to readline in 6th to go 50 mph? His ratio is at least 3 times to slow.
I would get rid of the reverse transmission and add a starter motor reverse setup on the chain drive.
Really like how you show the good and bad when it’d be really easy to edit and not show the whole story!! Coming along great man! Awesome build!!
The sticky 2nd is probably in the cycle transmission my 636 does that when it has been setting for a while. It gets better after riding.
Good job. It will be awesome. I have another transmission and had thought about doing this for 20 years.
You could go to electric solenoids for the shifter yet to him on there so you just hit the button and that goes one way and hit the other button it goes the other way
old GM door lock solenoids :) or new door popper ones lol
Doesn't sound like it ever left second gear
It was brilliant, of all the things that could have been an issue you only had the gear change, the gearing wasn't a problem it works perfectly just need different ratio..
Great job 👍👍
Keep at it! Thanks for sharing.
It didn't sound like it ever changed gears, and what about the 3 gears in the trans-did you ever try another? You are such a great fabricator, but you seem to have no idea what your engine or trans is doing while you stumble along.
I'm sure he knows if it shifted or not man, cmon, seriously?? Disrespectful.
You can hear him get to Atlanta 5th
@@M.TTT. He even said he didn't know what gear it was. "Disrespectful", No-Factual, yes. He just isn't that sharp with engines and transmissions, but I bet he could build one from scratch--he just couldn't tune it!
@@bowtie0069 you are one of those interweb trollers aint ya boy
That sounds like you're running with dead cylinders...... Those engines wind out !!
My neighbor in Phoenix builds sand rails out of Rocket engines all the time.... That thing should be screaming & shredding turf with front wheels off the ground !!!
Sounded like he was low rpm the whole time. Something has to definitely be off.
@@codysimpson4959 I'd def pull plugs and do a leak down test & go from there.... Every rocket I've ever has that high rpm Scream... I've had a half dozen bikes
He never revved it out because of the lack of chain guards and shifting. He said he never went full throttle. That thing starts right up and sounds perfectly fine
It sounds different because of the exhaust
been waiting for this!!
I agree with all these comments! You did fine! Nothing broke! Just make sure it actually shifts up gears!! Sounded like never made it past 2 or 3rd.!! Good job Chris👍
early squad
i have followed your channel and im impressed of your skills as an fabricator.some times enjoying every episod. sweden.
Hey man I’m right there with the other comments, to me this seems like a successful test run. Yes it has issues you need to address line the gearing which I think many of us were already worried about but that is what a test is for. It ran strong and held up well so a little gear change and some fine tuning and your golden
Seen lots of comments for firewall and I agree. I think the gearing might be a little short however all the power in that engine comes between 7-10k rpm. looks sleek though and once it is going youve got loads of power to play with. whacking 44teeth on the rear might give you all the speed you want.
Gearing is easy to fix, so nothing to be embarrassed about. Getting a build to this point is more than enough to blast many builders out of the water. Awesome machine!
Came out be a monster 😳 amazing work
Wow...thats why i love this channel...👍 Your creation really awesome❤️
I figured it out. Steering wheel is off by about 8 degrees. That would accommodate for about 32% static drive train loss which compromises final gear ratio.
Joking aside... Great build. Can't wait to see it fully dialed in, things gonna be scary fun
When I had the same set up on my kart back in the 90s I used 20 tooth on the drive wheels and it gave me so much more clearance just don't make it where you go into hyperdrive, also a great little idea for steering is use an electric power steering unit off of a cobalt just make sure you get the body control unit inside the vehicle it will stop any bump steer and then you can add a steering gear setup to cutdown the turns to go from stop to stop, you will love the change!! Good try out but as I learned on my builds is figure your gear ratio in advance so you don't have to waste money!
You got to a way better spot than most people man,most people never finish stuff you just need some tweaks,sweet cage and suspension work! I’ve always wanted to do a buggy like this with like a 1200 snowmobile engine and CVT,I just don’t have the skills by myself.
better gearing + gearshift mechanism + a somewhat light rear sway bar is all that you need to be great buggy!! well done so far you can see the light at the end of the tunnel!!
Veery cool!! Good drive!