Elon Musk Isn't Telling Us Something About Mars
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What is life on Mars really going to be like and is Elon’s dream of a million people on Mars even really possible? Let us know your thoughts below!
I believe Mars will become like Antarctica for quite a few decades. It needs to be a research station for the foreseeable. There's so much to learn there WITHOUT a load of tourists and other people getting underfoot.
Humanity needs to be sure that we won't be destroying any extant life there; I'm certain Earth politicians (and celebrities) will want to strut their egotistical stuff on that issue.
Another thing is we have to study is whether life has been there and WHY it may no longer exist. There are many geological (aresological?) processes that need to be closely examined and understood.
As you say...Earth is PERFECT for us. It will take a lot more than we think to create habitats on Mars.
So...other than that...on to Mars!
Not possible. Will never happen in our lifetime. Our robots may have a city there, but humans will not.
Number one it would cost too much to sustain life there. Number two why nit hit the moon for space fun?
At this point, practically everything he says makes my eyes roll.
When I first heard Mr Musks plan I was all in, I wanted to be buried there. Now , after X .. and his outrageous interviews , call me out
Who is going to give him 100 million tonnes of earth's stuff .. who
I guarantee I won't vote for a government that gives up to us and gives it to him
Who gets to go, will they have to get nureolinked ..
What about genetic flaws inherent to humans... how do you limit that in a closed population... ask that one
so what exactly isnt he telling us? ....... oh thats just the title. ok
What he's not telling us is what he hasn't even been honest with himself about. We don't have the knowledge, materials, information, technology or anything else needed to make this scenario a possibility. Unless and until there is a radical discovery of a completely previously unknown technology, this will not happen in our lifetimes, if ever. That is what he's not saying. It's great to dream and imagine, but it's not ok to stop there and call it a working plan.
Yep the only way people could ever live on Mars would be if we invented a new much more efficient energy source. That might happen, but probably not anytime soon. @@catserver8577
@@catserver8577 We have technologies, but they are very expensive. We need to look for new technologies, but it takes a lot of time and experimentation.
@@catserver8577ok so like have you been living under a rock for the past uhh say 9-ish years?
@@FiNLI77 Explain what you mean. The last 9-ish years have been dictated by Tik Tok and social media rumors and outright exaggeration of the advances of pseudoscience. Open a book.
So the title? What is Elon not telling us?
Rhymes with 'schmickbait' . But it was an interesting vid nonetheless.
The real question is, what has our government kept from us for hundreds of years...?
That it probably won't work?
Is nothing to tell us, he s did not invent anything.
Total recall😂
Imagine being born on mars and about 6 years old you find out about earth and there’s breathable air, amusement parks. Beaches, forests etc. Then realizing there no chance of ever going because of the gravitational force difference. Sounds like a nightmare
you can never go outside. Even prisoners get time in the fresh air.
@@je-fq7ve Mars would be a living hell and earth would simply look like what heaven sounds like.
Wait till terraforming is completed. Someone will nuke the North and South poles in Mars. What's the use of having nukes in earth
Now there is a class action lawsuit ready to happen :)
There are cities a half mile below the soil
You first Elon. To quote the Hound, "You come with me, you die here."
The only way we live on Mars with our current technology is underground.
I'd rather live on a ravaged and devastated living Earth. Then a dead Mars, any day of the week.
Mars being radioactive, can you just cover yourself up with it?
@@jcwiggens. Agreed. Exploration is one thing. Colonization isn’t even a viable option right now.
There is no way to colonize Mars with our current technology. Period.
Short-term research outposts are feasible as long as we are willing to accept the fact that it's going to be a one-way trip with a life expectancy of less than 3 years.
@@johncronin9540 I mean, if we survive, it will happen one day. But we don't even know as basic a fact as whether humans can endure low G environments long term. Even though the Moon is 1/2 of Mars gravity. Mars is still only 1/3 of Earth's gravity. Musk doesn't even know that basic fact. Yet, he's planning a colony of a million people? BTW, isn't Mars in as great a getting slammed by a huge rock as Earth? Musk makes it sound like the Earth is the only possible location of such an impact. The whole idea in 2023 is just silly.
If you want a really good book, surveying the challenges of a space fairing civilization, Read a city on Mars by Kelly and Zach Wiener smith. It brings up a lot of the concerns that you’ve brought up as well as many more. A great one is how little we know about childbirth and space and the fact that probably we want to figure that out before we send 1 million people somewhere.
Please tell me briefly what is said in this book.
@@intellectualcat4000 easier to just suggest that you watch the Frasier Cain or multiple other interviews on CZcams with them, during which they summarize quite a lot of these points.
"We" won't be sending 1 million people there. They will go of their own free will and they will "figure that out".
I never read that book, but I DO know that in the Summer of 2019, NASA sent 100 petri dishes with Human Brain Cells converted from Stem Cells into space, where they stayed on the International Space Station for several months.
After some time in Zero G, the Brain Cells grew into really BIG brains!
NASA determined that if a woman became pregnant in Space, that her baby's head would be too large to fit through the Birth Canal. (In 1988, that was the case for a friend of mine, but the Doctor just used his Surgical Scissors to make the Birth Canal wider.)
However, in 2029, NASA determined that every pregnant woman in Zero G would need a C-Section, something that Doctors on the Moon or Mars would not be able to do for some time.
In theory, a pregnant woman could be kept in an artificial "Earth Gravity" environment for ALL or most of her Pregnancy. But that raises issues of how she and the baby then transition to the Moon's Gravity (16% of Earth's) or Mars' Gravity (60% of Earth).
Another solution would be to return every pregnant woman back to Earth, for a C-Section. Obviously, that has NEVER been done before. We know even UN-pregnant Astronauts have trouble adjusting to Earth's Gravity, so it would compounded for a pregnant woman.
The implication is that Moon or Martian Colonies would NEVER be truly "independent" of Earth, if they constantly had to send all there pregnant woman to Earth to give birth via C-Section.
Scientists are working on immortality.
No need to torture women with pregnancy and childbirth.
One of the biggest obstacles to a large Mars colony is that you need only one nutcase, or one disgruntled person or terrorist, and the whole colony could be vulnerable to destruction. Somehow, redundancy would need to be built in -- kind of like watertight compartments in a ship. If one compartment is punctured, the whole ship does not flood and sink. But I don't know if one could build in sufficient redundancy in such a hostile, deadly environment as Mars.
You watched to many movies when you were young. We as humans will never get to mars. It will be 2050 and it will be the same story. Pushing missions back and back aaaaand postponing them. We are a special place species in this special reality.
@frankhernandez6524 let me have what your smoking 🚬
Or getting punctured by asteroids that would burn up if mars had an atmosphere
There already is one nutcase, Elon Musk. He's a wannabe authoritarian with a megalomaniac personality.
A network of caves.
It sounds like Musk started reading Martian Chronicles but didn't finish the book.
Enjoy the cosmic rays brah.
They will likely build habitats in caves on Mars to be protected from radiation.
Hellas Basin, thick air, Brah that's where it gets to 70 degrees Brah
You could get by with a breathing mask, barely
You watched too much Total Recall
@@duanebouchard8736 You got the autism?
@@duanebouchard8736 You got the autism?
A satirical attempt to convey the fact that multiple sources of radiation will kill anything on the surface of mars. If you though I was in earnest; consider socializing.
It’s course, it’s rough, it’s irritating…and it gets everywhere!
That's why one design I saw for missions left the EVA suits attached to the shelter/vehicle. Just had to brush off the rear suit entry hatch, rather than bringing in a nasty, dust covered suit inside of the shelter/vehicle.
I understood that reference! LOL
Mars sand is not like lunar regolith. Atmosphere and winds mean sand gets weathered, so it will be more like Earth sand.
@@caldodge it’s weathered basalt. But, it isn’t heavily oxidized like would happen on earth.
@@caldodgeAnother difference, other than the lack of oxidation is that martial regolith is also extremely saline. That has to be cleared first, before any bioremediation can be applied.
That said, there was one microorganism suggested for saline remediation, then alfalfa to become compost. Given light levels, one's likely looking at an entire sol before any prospective soil might be ready to use *and* that's assuming one could get a blessing from planetary protection, which is utterly unlikely.
There’s also robot AIs and automated manufacturing. Things are developing rapidly in that space and will be the backbone of the underground Mars city.
A million people on Mars means one million cases of major depressive disorder within 12 months. No sun, no sky, nothing green, terrible food, an overwhelming desire to return to Earth. You can have it.
It will never happen. Im surprised some of the most "brilliant minds" waste so much time trying to fix hypothetical problems somewhere else. Essentially viewing earth as a lost cause. It must be the desire, possibly a subconscious one, to play God.
Or one million nerds who don't mind "no sun" (it has 2/3s the intensity of Earth at a sunny day), but do have a mission.
We could do a Belko Experiment.
_"Ok. Whoever is the last person alive can come back to earth. Good luck everyone. You time starts now!"_
@@mikeobryant3367I don’t think it’s viewing Earth as a “lost cause”, it’s the importance of having settlements on multiple planets. It’s an important first step for the long-term survival of our species, which is hard coded into our DNA as being important.
@@ekszentrikNo sun when you're underground. Inverse square law says the Sun's radiation at Mars is exactly half that on Earth.
Blah, blah, get to the point what is he not telling us about Mars???
I can tell you what Musk is not telling us about Mars. NOBODY will ever be living on Mars. Why ?....because it's a shit idea.
it's far less hospitable than he's making it out to be.
Apparently Musk wants to make a "utopia" on Mars and leave us "losers" on Earth. At least according to the narrator. I think he's talking sh1t myself.
nothing. according to elmo, we should have been on Mars this year but his spaceships cannot even land on the moon yet. we cannot even "fix" the earth but somehow, Elmo is gonna terraform Mars. lmaoo
This
Why is there an image of Olympus Mons with a caption saying "This isn't good"?
Because this content creator is a morally bankrupt piece of s***
Your eyes do not explode in a vacuum, let alone low pressure.
...but it does make your hemorrhoids worse.
@@freewheeler8924😂
No but the fluid inside them boils, then anything left freezes.
Your blood will be boiling, you won't be too concerned with your eyes.
@@freewheeler8924 😂
Even if we eventually step foot on Mars and attempt to colonize it -- and even if it's because of Elon Musk and SpaceX that we accomplish that -- Elon, himself, will never step foot there.
Good summary of the extreme difficulties involved. I figure Musk's thinking must be that if you have a vision and are relentless in your pursuit of it, you'll find a way. He may have a point.
Putin
100 millions tonnes of payload is beyond an extreme difficulty, not enough money in the world to lift that off the ground let alone mars
Elund's "vision" on this is not in line with common sense or objective reality. His kind of "vision" is the same as a child. Due to Elund's narcissistic personality disorder he is, emotionally speaking, stuck as a child inside... he just want's to be loved because his dad didn't like him.
@@jennyanydots2389 I always listen to internet randoms who can't spell in preference to extremely successful people.
@@rogermouton2273 Yeah, don't actually think for yourself... go off public and social media perception. Good logic. Lots of depth to your "intelligence" I'm sure. No wonder you're an Elund stan.
Why domes? If you want a transparent roof, use a flat one, topped with a couple feet of water ice, sealed on top to prevent sublimation. Air pressure would support it and sealing leaks would take nothing but water. Great radiation shielding. Makes a great greenhouse.
Domes are stronger than a square building.
Not if you have steel or concrete supports every fifty feet or so.@@Gord1812
Air pressure????? On mars??? Oh I forgot, Elon will bring enough air!
Keep the dome shape. Use ice. Call it an Igloo.
You put a flat roof over a crater that you seal airtight, fill it with breathable air. If you use Earthly, sea-level conditions, at 14psi, that'll hold up a very heavy roof. Like two-three feet of water ice. Very minimal support, just to keep it steady, and the air holds the thing up. Or excavate a space instead of using a readymade crater. Very simple, cheap design. Just don't let it depressurize or the roof falls in.
its not about mars
phobos is the real place of interest
with the monolith on the surface
and some defensive technology that took out that one russian orbiter , now that "moon" is very strange
where do I sign up?
Looking forward on how private companies like SpaceX compete with countries like China on Mars, i.e. once landed on Mars.
I hope longterm Mars people will become independent from earth, hope they will have a more scientific mindset than people from earth..
AGI is almost here, doesn't matter really
Just like fusion energy: ready in ten years from now.
@@MichaelWinter-ss6lx If you find that comforting, carry on believing.
I dunno, I'd argue floating cities high enough in Venus' atmosphere still seem more human friendly than a small red dustball bombarded by space rocks and space radiation.
someone actually disagreed w/ me so hard about this once that they completely stopped talking to me over it. up to that point I'd known them for 15 years. I basically just stated what you did, and she lost her shit and disappeared.
@@sumdumbmick Damn :O
How is that even technologically feasible? Aren't you getting the same problems with low gravity, radiation, food scarcity, pressure difference?
@@alexchobanov Why would there be low gravity? You are still in the pull of the planet and since Venus is roughly the same size as Earth it should be very similar. Against radiation the buildings would be made of materials that keep it out. Pressure difference would be minimal since high enough in Venus' atmosphere it would be fairly normal not the pressure cooker hellhole. The real issue would be food honestly.
@@Mate397 I had assumed cities in orbit, as I am not aware of a technical solution that will allow us to build a floating city in atmosphere with current technology, but I guess I am missing something. What do you envision?
Musk is thinking about this too hard. He just needs to build a teleporter.
Jet powered rocket pants.
@@chriscurtain1816 I worked with someone like that. Stay off the elevator when he gets on.
@@bettertvreceptionwithfoilf7100 The trouble with my idea is
a) we don't have any jet powered rocket pants and
b) jet powered rocket pants don't actually exist outside the fictional cartoon strip 'Johnny Rocket Pants'.
If has ever what thinks never be there now lol
Here's an idea for Mr. Musk: let's populate Sahara. The gravitational force is the same as on Earth. There is oxygen and some bio mass. Water is nearby. Wouldn't that be easier?
Elon Musk's whole Mars City plan is the possibility of circumventing extinction of ALL life on Earth maybe by nuclear war, giant meteor strike or some other global catastrophe.
Sahara is on Earth, Mars is not.
Its possible to grow plants without soil with a hydroponic setup. But a better solution might be transporting enough organic matter to create a sustaining ecosystem in an enclosed and controlled environment
Aeroponics are more efficient and far more easily maintained. And both are maintenance intensive to begin with.
A bigger ball pain would be to design a closed ecosystem that's balanced.
Actually simply washing the soil with water can help remove the perchlorate. The water will dissolve the salt.
@@nihalbhandary162 Yeah. Then evaporate the water leaving the salt behind. The perchlorates are believed to be in partially hydrated form, so they would be a source of water (and hence oxygen).
Come on. Biosphere 2 (look it up on wiki) couldn't sustain itself _on Earth_. How would a smaller system sustain itself on Mars with much less sunlight, but high radiation, toxic soil, virtually no atmospheric pressure? It won't.
In the movie "The Martian" (the one with no martians), the astronaut finds an excellent source of "compost" to grow his potatoes in. (Astronaut poo.)
A point about Mars dust: the dust particles on Mars are very sharp and jagged compared to earth dust due to the lack of friction between the particles not rounding off the edges. This means the wear and tear on both man and machine is very much worse, as is the problem of not being able to wash it off with liquid water.
Not true. There is friction between particles. Lunar dust is jagged because there is no wind to make particles rub against each other.
there is a new fabric, with a built in static charge to repel dust
There are dust devils and dust storms........!!!!@@caldodge
Lunar dust is worse. Mars dust is also toxic.
MAtt DAmon's greatest role was in Team America World Police.
All the current plans for growing food in space are missing the point (also this video), that all higher life on Earth is sustained by microbial ecosystems. THIS is what "soil" means, not the mineral base (this one could be called "dirt"). Bacteria, fungi and plant roots together can very easily create organic compounds from minerals. That doesn't work in hydroponic culture, which is mostly sterile. What we need to establish on Mars is composting! This is such a key process (recycling of all kinds of organic matter), still no one talks about it...
In "The Martian" movie they also missed this point. (Poop would need to be composted first, which is a microbial process. Our excrements can't feed plants directly, they would die from the concentrated chemicals in it!)
Did Elon find the Prothean Archives?
Worse, they already have bases on mars, and he knows
Elon couldn`t find a bug if someone didn`t point it out to him. But his MO is more like this: At first, he denies it, steals the idea, and then claims it's his. Then, he buys a social platform and massively floods it with political propaganda. That is the man we want to start the new world? OK, you go. I`ll catch you guys up later on.
Forget the soil, hydroponics is used on earth it will work on mars. Where i live we have big greenhouses, they use hydroponics, no soil
how would we sustainably create the hydroponic nutrients?
In a powder form to be rehydrated they probably wouldn’t take up so much space
So, because they work where you live, which I assume is Earth, it will just "work on Mars"? That isn't even logical, much less provable,
@@catserver8577Let him go to Mars and figure out things himself :D Like we learn from our mistakes.
@@catserver8577 lol made me laugh "which I assume is Earth"
pls what is the name of the soundtrack?
Yall have fun on Mars I'm stayin on Earth. Send me a postcard when you get there.
Never underestimate human ingenuity and perseverance.
I think we might be vastly overestimating it this time, buddy.
It would take a very strange type of mindset to want to go through so much danger, to live in a place like that. Now imagine having to live with one million of those people.
What Musk is not telling us? You mean, like how Mars won't have any(ANY) sustained presence for decades??
Millennia ..probably.
@@MartinMartinX More likely. But if you say that to Musk fans, they freak out. At this point, it's a medical unknown what sustained 1/3G has on the human body.
And thats fine. We still need to work on it@@MartinMartinX
Маск не говорит вам о том что этот проект кто-то должен финансировать! И тут возникает дилемма... либо миллион людей пожелавших стать марсианами должны будут быть очень богатыми, вот только я сомневаюсь что эти люди полетят ради постоянного тяжелого труда, выживания и условий жизни, или должны быть созданы экономические условия на Земле... когда общество содержит за счет своих отчислений общество на Марсе! Потому что невозможно создать самодостаточное общество на Марсе без угнетения общества на Земле! Экономического равновесия не получается! Поэтому "города Маска на Марсе" это утопия! Много говорят о некой гуманистической или цивилизационной цели миссии "ради всего Человечества"... возникает вопрос, в чем проблемы Человечества ради которых нужно бежать на другую планету? Разве не целесообразнее решать суть самих проблем Человечества в месте его проживания а не бежать от них? Да и все проблемы Человечества созданы самим человеком, как от них убежать? Сам от себя не убежишь!)
Spacex will quietly be funded by the military. They want its delivery systems@@maxv1455
The movie Space Between Us, is a documentary, everything he stated about the difference on the human body making the transition from Mars to Earth was spot on in the movie
unless it included the long term effects of cosmic radiation, it left out the biggest issue.
In comparison to taking the subway everyday in NYC, lunacy of Terran politics, unaffordability of living on earth, the destructive bent of bored mega billionaires and the council of 13, the martian frontier seems like a dream.
He just wants to keep the government money coming he’s not spending his own
Fake-news has entered the discussion.
well that goes for the average welfare recipient too, living on food stamps, and never having to work, while others do and pay their way with their taxes!
@@ronschlorff7089 you described nearly every red state sitting there with their hand out
LOL, back on your meds!@@Justmekpc
@@ronschlorff7089 What makes you think you can actually live on food stamps without having to do at least a part time job? Have you tried it?
What about those moons around jupiter and saturn?
The problem is the low gravity. But the water moon of Europa is definitely worth a colony.
the ones surrounding jupiter are highly radioactive , otherwise they are better destinations.
@@tyharris9994 But they are much far away from earth.
@@airgunningyup Good point. I was thinking sub-surface. I know ice is a good radiation blocker.
@@Bhuvan_MS Meh. Nuclear rockets will cut that down eventually.
Have studies been done showing the amount of calcium perchlorate taken up by plants? I ask because plants don't take up everything in the soil at the same rates. Could be it won't be as toxic as thought.
I've known a few people who lived in Hawaii. It's a beautiful paradise with lots of things to do.
And yet, every Hawaiian I've known couldn't wait to go on vacation. Don't get me wrong, they all loved their home state but all succumbed to island fever after a while.
We know humans do just fine being trapped in a small area, wanderlust as a common concept is pretty new as most people in the past never left the small region they lived, including those originally on Hawaii.
@@sharper68 Past generations had no expectations to ever travel.
Expectations have now changed.
Now we can book a flight on our handheld supercomputer and travel almost anywhere to anywhere in the world in 24 hours or less.
@@benjamindover5676 Expectations are clearly malleable then, they are based on individual circumstance and are open to change. Different people value different things, many are never going to take an international flight even as they can.
If there is something innate about humanities desire to travel, it is found in the few brave or desperate souls that have ventured into the unknown in the past. Always on a search to find new places to dominate to carve out an existence, despite any challenges.
@@sharper68 Most of the time he left home to get away from his mother-in-law.
@@benjamindover5676 That will always be true, it was true even when we were village bound. It means we will always have someone to explore further with little to lose at home.
What will happen on Mars is the same as what happened on the Moon, there be a space race to get there first and because it's so shit it be decades or most probably centuries before it is even attempted again.
This is what I would expect.
That's not why we stopped going to the Moon and we're fully aware of the Martian conditions before going so you're making no sense at all. Bath salts?
Look out for conservative politics
@@filonin2 No we aren't fully aware. We are trying our best to pretend.
Bro these comments💀 like you know the reason why it stopped is the presidents following Kennedy didn’t want to put money towards it, and because going to LEO was much more profitable science wise, atleast for that time. Now we have better equipment to study the environments of other celestial bodies so that we can properly understand things. We have studied mars EXTREMELY closely and we litterly have a whole plan ready for how the colony will unfold. This is the private industry now, things are completely different. Someone can’t get re elected to change the direction of things.
IMHO Venus cloud city is a better bet. Mars' 1/3 gravity can't be messed with. If we can unlock the chemistry of Venus, maybe we can do something on Mars.
Yeah, all we have to do is invent the technology to extract minerals from an environment that can melt lead. Easy peasy!
I'd like to meet some of those girls I've been hearing about all these years ! I just hope they shave their legs and pits !
TLDR: Take carbon from Venus, add to mars. Bada bada boom, planetary transformation.
Possibly, moving the extreme excess carbon from Venus atmosphere to mars could help Mars’s atmosphere situation. My personal theory is that with enough transported carbon from Venus, we can rebuild mars atmosphere, which will heat up the planet, which will melt the ice caps and atomically energize the planet. With the water from the ice caps and carbon from Venus, we could extract oxygen from the water using photosynthesis and over a long period of time, create a livable atmosphere. Yes this would take a very long time, but possibly shorter than some other methods.
Edit: added tldr
@12:20 the natives have interesting clothing choices 🤣
Any terraforming of Mars will have to include shuffling water to it. One will have to hit Mars with Comets until Mars has lots of water... with water, one can consider adding algae to make oxygen. Comets might also be useful in remelting the core...
So, chaperoning Comets and predicting implications are things that will have to precede any Mars terraforming.
Hi, I love your videos 👍 keep up the work!
He said he is donating HALF of his resources to building a city on Mars and half to saving Planet Earth.
He also said he cares about free speech yet he is banning anyone making fun of him. No point trusting anything that cunt says.
Maybe he should spend less time talking shit on Twitter then. You can NOT read the drivel he speaks, and believe him to be a remotely intelligent person. Let him waste his monet, as long as nobody is ever foolish enough to give him actual power.
Then why not colonize the Sahara, Antartica and the Greenland ice cap. Free oxygen and water and lots more. Did Elon not figure that out yet? Will he lead the colony in Mars and will be work beside everyone else? Or will be be the Emperor?
Which means, his leaving Earth saves it.
He could have done so so much already to help humanity and to help this planet but he hasn’t and I’m sorry to have to tell you this but he isn’t ever going to. Billionaires are apart of the problem
They are not the solution.
There is a Kurzgesagt video on terraforming Venus which involves using a giant mirror to cool down the planet, allow the carbon in the atmosphere to freeze, then send the carbon elsewhere. If we do this, we could, in theory, use the extra carbon from Venus to slowly build the atmosphere of mars. Use the excess from Venus to fill the emptiness of mars
Maybe the plants that are growing larger on mars is because of lower gravity they don't have to fight so hard to escape the ground. As for the salt beds, if we built on the land masses above the old sea levels. Then dispite the winds and dust storms the salt levels should be much lower.
Cleaning the outside of the domes could be done with magnets on the inside holding the cleaner on the outside.
Life on Mars won't fix the problems of life on Earth.
It's not intended to.
The Moon will
The assumption being that we could somehow get rid of problems? We will have problems everywhere and always. It doesn't have anything to do with space exploration.
Funny that the technologies developed for this endeavor could very well improve life on Earth a lot.
So, the elites are just gonna pack up and leave?@@georgelyras1978
The Mars Society is apparently trying to set up a Mars Technology Institute to solve some of these issues. Dr. Zubrin has always stated that we have to practical technological base to go to Mars and colonize the planet, it just a matter of engineering the application of that general base into specific technology. I hope and dream he is right.
Dream is right, why can't we do all that here where we have everything.
Not going to happen anytime soon!
He wants to drain all of Earth's natural resources on a whim.
@@batcollins3714 More like to indulge in delusions, not to dream
"Dr." Zubrin talks a lot. Musk is actually doing it.
The initial plant growth on Mars will be the easiest with hydroponics, growing water plants in water with some nutrients. That will generate biomass for use as soil enrichment.
How likely would the old suggestion of throwing nukes at Mars to help 'terraform' it? If so, it should be done as soon as possible, so that we can see the results to determine if it actually helps... before people get there.
He never said the future of man is on Mars, but don't let a clickbaity misquote of Musk get in your way.
Inside a habitat floating in the atmosphere of Venus at about 50-60 km elevation is by far the least hostile environment for humans. Nearly the same gravity and atmospheric pressure with plenty of protection from cosmic radiation.
yes, this is definitely a better option. Closer to Earth too. Terraforming Venus is also possible (but very difficult with current technology).
@@davepastern There is too much evidence that human bodies will experience serious deterioration in micro gravity for extended times. Bone loss, muscle atrophy, organ damage, brain structure, and vision deterioration have already been observed.
just hope that the balloon doesn't pop
@@MrMoon-te5xw True, but it's not really a "balloon". A habitat with a simulated earth atmosphere inside would float in the more dense Venus atmosphere. Your human habitat would naturally float.
There is no water on Venus, that's a problem. Hydrogen can be obtained from acid clouds in the atmosphere of Venus, but it is very difficult.
We need an orbital command module that is manned to control flight on the planet without latency.
I'm all in when it comes to scientific or commercial bases inside lunar or Martian lava tubes, but colonies I reject on principle as inhumane imposition, especially for children.
Cool. But it begs a major question: Why ?
If earth goes down humantiy will still exist
Same reason a dog licks its own balls. Cuz it can. Nature`s nature I suppose.
@@dazinsun1116 Still ....Why ? Who is gonna miss a bunch of obnoxious Monkeys?
@@dazinsun1116 Mars will need constant supplies from earth.. if earth goes mars would quickly follow.
@@rogerwilco1777 Don't waste your time to explain simple stuff to people who listen to Musk's propaganda.
When early humans first left the rift valley… it was hard. When Europeans first left to cross the Atlantic… it was hard. When the Pacific Islanders first left for Hawaii, Easter Island and so on… it was all hard. The oceans still remain essentially “undiscovered” so going to the Moon and Mars to stay… is going to be pretty freaking hard. Someday (I hope)… we will say this when those first humans (earthlings or Martians) leave this solar system when we get to that stage of our civilization. All that being said… we have to learn how to get along, feed our hungry, heal our sick and not to destroy ourselves first… if we think we might be able pull this off. Only time and those willing to dream and take the risk will know. Great video and I pray… we make it.
It would be a dumb idea because within 50 years, the population of Earth will be falling FAST. Why would you want to drastically lower your standard of living by going to a frozen, airless, nearly waterless planet, where everyday would be a struggle to survive?
@@billsimpson604 You will be provided with all the equipment and all the knowledge from planet Earth. What kind of survival are you talking about?
Oh yeah, talking 'bout population decline, 'cause of no future. We've wasted 60 years already. Actually more, with NASAs constant backwards progress. Stagnation *is* decline.
Wherever they went and remained, there was a habitable environment. If you want, you can move to the Sahara or near the Polar Circle pretty much immediately. That is the easy part. The difficult part is to stay there
Bro, European did not discover america, Asian did, that why we have native america.
erm ....actually, we kinda do know how long it will stay open, sort of. Vertical farms usually do not involve much soil if any ?
Needs to create a semi permeable membrane that restricts carbon levels to keep an air mixture from total mix. to claim plants for Mars to adapt. Maybe find a way to amplify sun light to ground level for plants. creating an area to maintain an atmosphere, and have a more focused/amplified light.
I have heard the ideas of living underground on Mars in the past. Is that really how any sane person on Earth wants to live? That doesn't seem like much of a life even if all the amenities were there. HEY... Lets go through all the trouble and danger to live in underground caverns on Mars! No way, not me!
Well, you aren't being compelled to go... we won't miss your less than cheerful face....
Arrrg Billy! LOL. Good reply! I want Space Habitats and settlements to succeed, but in different ways. I know that outdoor scenery can be broadcasted on large video screens that seem like windows, but I think we need some of the real thing too.@@davidcadman4468
One day in the far future, there may not be any other choice.
Your right, but lets hope the human race can always maintain a level of comfort and the capability to live above ground if possible. The world scares me today, and almost everyone I know. I can blame you for being a little worried.@@Dooguk
I think a lot of this thinking is deeply ingrained from scifi where you have 'colonies' on all sorts of planets, species from all interacting, and easy (meaning a small group of people can do it, doesn't take a whole planet to field one trip one way) travel between.
I think the reality of planets that you could step out of a ship (as an organism) and not die within a few minutes is very rare, and even on those (which are very far apart physically) I imagine they'd have some type of life that would probably kill you (early life, bacteria, microbe kind of stuff) because it's evolved separately from us and we'd potentially have ZERO immunity to some novel mechanism it's evolved.
I think that dream of stepping off a ship onto a planet like it's a different mining town in the old west is deeply etched into people, I don't think that's anything remotely like the reality out there, as best we understand it right now.
I don't get why people talk about Martian soil when surely a close system hydroponic set-up would be best?
There are different hydroponic varients that don't require any soil at all.
Well the problem is we don't know how plants will grow in low gravity, will the roots act differently.
@@livingart2405 That is a separate issues from soil though? It is only slightly less gravity. Only one way to find out. I am surprised they don't know already.
His grain silo won't actuality have the range to make it back? And if it needs a repair it will take a year to get the part?
One main question all this money going in outer space exploration what have we got to show for what have they discovered or proved that we can actually use for all of our money
You paraphrased Elon's statement. Elon is concerned about the distant future of the human race. He figures better sooner than later to develop space travel.
No, Elon is concerned about getting another crowd-funding scam off the ground, and leeching more government subsidies off the taxpayers.
But only for white people.
Felon is concerned about one thing, and it certainly ain't humanity fool.
I agree with your analysis that living underground, especially for the first few centuries, is essential. I also think that if we did, we would need to make the spaces extremely expansive, with extremely high ceilings. In order to make it more like outside, the sunlight could be "piped in" using optical cables, much like certain types of skylights do here on Earth. Of course, the sunlight piping would need to be very large in scale in order to make the indoors appear more like outdoors. An expansive pace will be the key to keeping the settlers from going crazy with cabin fever.
The magnetosphere will have to be generated artificially using a network of extremely powerful satellites. If we don't create a magnetosphere, all the work of terraforming an atmosphere will be pissed away by the solar wind. And then Mars will not have material to create another atmosphere. The best we could do in the future to replenish the atmosphere would be to somehow steer comets to impact the surface. How that would work if there were a population there is beyond me.
We will definitely need to get rid of those perchlorates in the Martian soil. I am sure there is some sort of bio-engineered bacteria that could eat them up. We'll see what they come up with.
As for the transit from Earth, artificial gravity will be essential. I cannot for the life of me figure out why scientists and engineers think 6-8 months of micro-gravity is feasible for a Mars transit and still expect the crew to be capable of performing strenuous work when they arrive. And those that say that artificial gravity will make the crew motion sick sound a lot like the people who argued that micro-gravity would make you sick. Of course it would. But like adapting to micro-gravity, I am betting the crew will be able to adapt to the spinning required to produce artificial gravity, especially if the radius of the spin is adequately large.
Transit radiation will also have to be mitigated by passive plastic shielding and the acive technology methods being developed for an artificial magnetosphere.
I do NOT think that a Martian colony is the only way for humans to survive an apocalyptic, extermination event on Earth. But the technologies developed to survive on Mars are exactly the kind of technologies that could be applied on Earth to survive such a catastrophe on Earth. And since humans are the type to ignore a low probability problem until it is too late, a Mars colony may be the only way enough money gets invested to solve the problems and create the technology required. And then we WILL have a "backup drive" for humanity on Mars, which is a nice bonus.
What's overlooked about Mars is how low the gravity is and the negative effect this is likely to have on the human metabolism. I 'm pretty sure the logistics of those issues will be just one of the many obstacles to be overcome and not easily surmountable.
Okay, *Mars* is a _fixer-upper,_ but if you have a brain, you'll know that it *_not_* going to be _broom-sweep clean, move-in ready._
the first colonies in the hell hole of Cali died, (really look it up)
I wonder what happened there??
Everybody should be wary about random Elon's ideas. Sending 1 million people to a hostile planet is not a joke.
It's no big deal if you're not the one going!
I find it absolutely hilarious.
By the time they do it there will already be facilities in place carved by those who get there first and automated builders.
I'm so excited to find a comment section so full of experts and space engineers, all in one place. I'm so impressed by the intellectual perspectives based on evidence and fact. I'll try and contribute something too....all we know for a fact is that we know nothing.
Sealing mechanisms against dust is asking for trouble, because it WILL get in eventually, and it WILL fuck up everything. Only way to beat it is to design with dust getting in in mind. Dust-resistant joints and ballbearings exist.
Living on Mars is more like living on the Moon
...than what?
Except it's farther away so everything is MUCH harder to do there, communication, resupply, emergency evac, all of that is not off the table, but fraught with difficulties and would need a LOT of redundancy to make sure the minimum required always actually arrived. To me this idea as an experiment purely makes a lot more sense on the moon, although building a LARGE (small city sized) space structure/station makes way more sense to me if you want us able to the off the planet and surviving.
3:46 The atmosphere on Mars is very thin, so people will not freeze there even at a temperature of -200 degrees Celsius. If people want to go for a walk without a spacesuit, they can do it in the numerous mines under the base, into which air can be pumped for normal breathing.
...a sucker is born & run anywhere forever...
for your information
Temperature is a variable between 2 and -20 C peaking to -50 C, at the south pole, the solification of CO2, which is 96% of the atmosphere, not much O² to breathe any where. 🔥
@@arturoeugster7228 People on Mars can get oxygen from carbon dioxide and pump it into closed underground mines. There they can walk and grow plants under solar lamps.
Why do you think the walls of mined tunnels will keep the gas in? I don't, and I've spent a large part of my working life managing the seepage of water and drilling mud into the walls of oil wells. All of them leak. Every single one of them. The rocks themselves leak.
The video wasn't true to the title, but I did learn a couple of things I didn't know . . .
A quite neat thing about the atmosphere on mars (mainly CO2) is you can combine it with hydrogen, through a reaction called the Sabatier process, and get Methane and water. Meaning you can get pure electricity and make a closed loop (of course adding the electricity) that outputs Methane (Rocket fuel). You then have the oxidizer which is a thing by itself, there isn't a really good way to get pure oxygen, not any that I know at least.
The crap thing about Mars, is the thing you idiots keep forgetting about how it lost its atmosphere to begin with:
NO MAGNETOSPHERE.
you can't terraform that, idiots.
Just another "hyperloop" project from a guy who used to own Paypal; he invented nothing.
Hardly. Starship in itself is a world changing creation.
He writes cheques designs nothing.@@bb5979
@@bb5979 It is nothing ground breaking other than just a carrier rocket.
Wow the Elon haters are out in force today. Yeah, you're right ... he didn't invent anything (oh wait, there's another Tesla driving by that he and his company invented).
@@bb5979 it sure changed the world of the nesting birds and the turtles that got killed or driven away by his space rockets-
I'm way to old to go but would in a heart beat. All God's chillin' gonna die somewhere.
I like your attitude. ⭐🚀🚀⭐
You should be 55 or older to go. (Grin)
@@the_new_project Maybe, just maybe, they would consider taking along a few "grandparents" to help with the inevitable children. When you get a large number of virile youngish people together you just gotta know what is going to happen, babies. Just as natural as breathing.
2:13 Did you not get the memo? Venus is quite hospitable in the high atmosphere.🎉
Anyone who doesn't understand that colonizing Mars is the single hardest thing that has ever been attempted in the history of man also doesn't understand how he would have felt if he hadn't eaten breakfast yesterday.
Nobody has attempted to colonise Mars.
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“Success is far from certain,
but excitement is guaranteed.“
~ A living Legend
Not sure that was how the Spanish conquistadores mustered their crews.
Mars colonization necessitates advanced research in tunneling for underground habitats to shield against radiation and temperature extremes, and in extremophile fungi to detoxify soil and support agriculture. These efforts require a multidisciplinary approach, respecting planetary protection to prevent Mars' contamination. Such preparatory work is crucial for creating sustainable human presence on Mars.
There are enormous cities already built underground here on earth so going below Mars surface will be a cinch nothing to wrap our heads around.
All the power to the Musketeers heading to Mars some day, knowing that we'll have to make our stand here on Earth.
That's exactly why he is going".😊
You mean, why he's going himself?
Can`t wait, the sooner they leave, the better
@@TiagoCavalcanti-ji6hu Golgafrinchan Ark Fleet Ship B, from The Restaurant at the end of the Universe by Douglas Adams. It's a must read.
@@DoogukCheers, bruh !!! Have you read Isaac Asimov's short story "The Last Question"? Top notch.
Has this come up before? Think, Red Mars, Blue Mars, Green Mars
Hello
So many parallels between Mars and DUNE.
there are several things i personally feel need to be said here 1 humans are never going to hibernate in pods they will get weak and die fast ,even if they found a way to put someone under in a pod to hibernate for 100 + years is scifi 2 the logistical task of moving stuff and supplies to mars or wherever ,is going to be so expensive there is not enough money in the world to pay for it all and believe me the suppliers will want paying for services and it wont be cheap even if you can do 1 space flight a week, but if you solve all these things when you go to somewhere else the main problem will be the people you put on there just look at the mess we are in here with gangs and drugs etc what makes people think it will be any different with 1 thousand or 1 million people there ,it wont, everybody will disperse into there on little groups or gangs and so the cycle will begin there with one group not being willing to under the rule of another and so on you would have to have no religions at all, no ownership of anything, no money no, recreational drugs or alcohol its just not going to happen sorry
That's a big plus with Mars.... No Bears! 🤣🤣🤣🤣
... that we know of 😅
There could be Mars... Bars?
or lions and tigers,,, I think there is a stawman around here somewhere
Bro, you haven't even scratched the surface of why colonization of Mars is not a good idea. Lol, you just read the title page. Wheres the rest. I also missed your conclusion. Effort is its own reward. Patience a virtue.
There is one colony type that could work. A 1 Sol colony, duration of stay being 1 Sol only, research and study to your heart's content for that time, then back to earth and replacements arrive.
@@spvillano I agree but I have my bought. Largely due to the practicality of the indever. Planets won't be up for grabs in our lifetime. Moreover the funding won't come from nations. But from a few handfuls of ultra rich industrialists. No profit little motivation. And my final reason is betting on where mankind will be in 10 years 25,50,100 maybe. On the cusp of earth changes due to global warming. Seems like the recipe for disaster. We will see wars for water in our lifetimes, mass migrations all over the world. Have you seen the latest extinction rates in all categories. Or the ocean temperature progressions for the next 10,24,50,100. It's very bleek..Frether more the colony you recommend can never be permanent unless they are ready to become the first branch of mankind. Always better to be the 5th. It always take a couple to work out the kinks. I remember Babylon 5.
Not so sure why people think that living in a box on mars is so psychologically bad. Living in a box in a large city is not so different.
The difference is that on Earth you can go for a walk under a blue sky, breathing air, and eat whatever you want. The difference is that on Earth you have freedom of movement while on Mars you're in the greatest Supermax ever conceived.
I saw the word sativa scroll by in the chart at 12:43 and I'm like "oh, that's just common vetch"
It would be easier to live under the ocean then to go to Mars.
Not really.
I think you are missig the point, you would still be on Earth.
@@Doogukit would also be easier to just live in a space colony in earth's orbit.
@@jazzensemble Why are you replying to me? It's the OP you should be telling this to.
What changes if these people make it to mars? Once the planet's habitat is mastered then what are we to do? kill it again 😂 earthlings going to mars doesn't change the fact that you're an earthling. You're still hateful, envious, killers, emotional creatures and there os life on mars but once you get their if their not ideal or intimidating you'll try and kill them as you've done on earth and then the cycle starts all over just on a different planet. There's no running from what's already in store for us you don't get a chance to ruin another species world because you're so far on your high horse. No! First you fix what you've messed up hear then we can consider indulging an alien planet or alien species, simply stated turn your God's complex down a notch.
After watching, yeah, Mara is a hellhole, but it is a hellhole we can change through brute force and endless will into something in which we can live on.
That in of itself is inspiring enough to warrant both hope and fanaticism. Something which we see now, and like the old new world, can become something which can thrive.
So, if we ignore the laws of physics then, right? Who knew that hopes and dreams, trumps physics. Must be like a thoughts and prayers sort of philosophy, I guess.
@@jcwiggens What laws of physics are you referring to? As far as I know there is no law that prohibits traveling to Mars for long periods of time, hell there is no physical law that prohibits us from going to other stars for this purpose, only cost, engineering and time. The only thing that is a real barrier to Mars habitation is logistics.
@@brenomatos8384 I am obviously referring to 21st century technology. Can you please show me the data set proving that humans can survive long term in 1/3 gravity? Don't even suggest adaptation on any timescale short of 1,000s of years. This is all absolute nonsense. The resources required to build a small mars outpost. Which would be enormous. Would be far better spent on planetary defense. The DART mission proved how viable deflection is as a defense against the very planet killing objects. That is the entire basis for building any off world settlements. Under Musk's doomsday scenario. An impact is imminent NOW? Musk is such a vaporware salesman, it's silly. This is 2023. Show me any testing of any off world infrastructure. Stop with the CGI nonsense or talking about technology decades or centuries into the future.
@@brenomatos8384Should I even add that Musk suggests Terra forming Mars? And idiots eat it up. In what reality does it seem that we humans can create a planetary magnetosphere to prevent atmospheric escape. Yes, in time. Right now, however, the physics of current human technology prevent it.
Taking out 1 million people and 100 million metric tons of matter will make the earth a bit lighter in mass. 1.6755 e-12% to be precise. Would it have any effect on Earth's rotation or anything at all?
One idea I always had about Blade Runner constantly promoting offworld living wasn't so much because it was worse than living on earth. I think it was the only way you would be able to keep working. instating more of the idea that if you work hard enough you could be able to live on another planet. to restart again. It had a very "1984" kind of vibe to it.
Elon is aiming to get to mars to get Government funding and support. From watching this video it’s not real smart to colonize Mars! 😂
"Dedicating all of his resources to building a city on Mars..."
Meanwhile: *buys Twitter even though he didn't really want it and sets billions of dollars of value on fire*
Facts beat conjectures. Fair.
We needed somewhere we can actually have freedom of speech within the limits of the law.
He has long term goals
Does Mars have an magnosphere similar to here ?
The first thing is find ice comet and redirect it to colision course with mars.
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