I'm a little confused, he doesn't want to support animal flesh farming, but he's offended to know he's still supporting the same practices in when he buys any animal products? He even knew about the cruelties in the dairy industry already. So confusing. Why is abuse ok in one instance, but not ok in another?
when he acknowledges his ego and still let's the ego take over as soon as he hears ONE harsh truth. very 'spiritual' mate, this dude still has a lot of homework to do😆 you did great though, great questions!
Tough/awkward conversation and in all honesty I empathise with this guy as I came to vegetarianism in a similar manner. Through meditation leading to a felt deeper connection, rather than watching any documentary or ethics debate. He's in a transitional period, and no doubt where he is now already feels like a huge shift in mindset and lifestyle, so hearing someone tell him 'that's not quite good enough' is a tough pill to swallow. That said, unfortunately it took me another 2 years (and a vegan friend enlightening me on the egg and milk industries) before I went fully vegan. So as uncomfortable as it was, hopefully this conversation planted a seed with him that will lead to a transition to veganism in less time than it took me.
There's no "fully vegan" or "partially vegan", there is just vegan or not vegan. The point is, that vegetarianism is not different from meat eating. Eggs & milk come from rape, torturous conditions in confinement, systematic murder & kidnapping of new born males. And after all of that the females get sold and sent to the slaughterhouse too, so there's truly nothing good about vegetarianism. People trick themselves into thinking, this is a step by step thing, but it's not. You don't even lose much. There's still 7+ different types of milk and scrambled vegan eggs are also a thing. Honestly it's stupid to go vegetarian, after hearing about veganism.
Eating holocaust victims is crazy🥺🥺🥺💔💔💔 And if you were the victim, would you want your oppressors to take baby steps?😢😢😢 Thank you for your activism Cip😊😊😊♥️♥️♥️ Veganism is the future🤗🤗🤗🌎🌍🌏🐕🐙🐟🐮🐖🐔🦃🐝🐥🐴💚💚💚
I was vegetarian for 40 years since the age of 16 ...i did not want to eat animals, but did not realise the horrors involved in the egg and dairy industries. I truly thought you HAVE to eat these things and fell for the 'necessity' lies these industries fed us all...have now been vegan for 7 years and honestly wish i had done so much,much earlier!!! Vegetarians just do not want to think they are harming animals and most will put up more of a defensive mechanism than meat eaters do because of this 😢
When he said you're crazy, I thought to myself: That person will never have the heart of gold to take to the streets to raise awareness of the animals, and so he doesn't understand those who have hearts of gold. He's too selfish, so he thinks that others who stand up for the animals (instead of earning money) are crazy. Very sad.
Indeed, it’s ridiculous to claim that someone following what they believe in and not falling prey to the 9 to 5 mentality is crazy. Some people… Thanks for watching 🤗💚
Chickens are not less aware than cows. The idea that animals with smaller heads are less aware of less smarter is a theory that I never believed and one that had been totally debunked.
@@FreddieAl i see you've been hard at work again trolling vegan channels , surely you have something better to do than try and refute veganism constantly
@@FreddieAl of course i post comments on a vegan channel seeing as i'm vegan , surely you must find that logical . What is not logical is the amount of time you spend trying to debunk vegans on so many different threads. Try being the operative word .
ahahaha - "I'm spiritual. I value protein and convenience over ethics" and then it just went from there...yet again...Great patience and persistence dealing with this entitled ignorance. Thank you for being out there with the truth.
Excellent vegan outreach,keeping him accountable and focused, one is either against abusing animals or one is not. If you are against abusing animals ,if you are against causing suffering and death to animals you must be vegan. I think he was saying one thing and doing something else,I hope he thinks about the conversation and thinks about his actions, and decides to immediately stop participating in the most horrific cruelty the world has ever known.
@@FreddieAl you are free to do want you want to do,why do you keep engaging, why are you looking at vegan sites ? Probably because you know on some level that what you are doing is wrong and you are looking for an excuse to continue killing innocent beings for your pleasure when you could easily choose from thousands of wonderful nutritious delicious healthy foods that don't deliberately cause suffering and death to anyone. If you are against violence towards animals you must be vegan. Be kind, live a non violent life, not the life of an oppressor.
@@FreddieAl Can you please explain why that matters, because it seems like you're making an appeal to nature fallacy. I'll add that there is also nothing natural about the dairy industry. Artifical insemination, synthetic hormones, antiparasitics, supplements, even the cows themselves are the product/victims of eugenics.
When i was vegetarian and going threw my own life situations i wished someone would of told me this way 🙃. I was too slow and for nothing it felt like. Im greatful i finally woke up and released on my own and started waching stuff about dairy and eggs and honey. And knew i was against myself by being vegetarian 🙃 😒. Ill never go back animals all liveing things are apart of us and need respect period.
Loved the questions at the start of the video - really thought provoking and interesting. This video made me think of earthling eds video 'spirituality: the enemy of veganism'. This is a tricky video! Obviously the guy isn't going to go vegan on the spot. But spirituality can be used as a block/justification for anything.
This is why you should use NTT with this kind of people, because even if they agree that what they are doing is wrong, they don't think is such a big deal and a great urgency to fix it.
Nice work Cip! 🌞 I hope he decides to take the next step & go vegan. Hopefully, he does it soon as "baby steps" are detrimental to the animals. That being said, at least he seems open to it. 🌱💯💚
I know that awkward walk away, I’ve seen and experienced it. It’s not nice and borne off the dissonance one feels when confronted by the recognition of it. I hope this guy spends time thinking truthfully about he stands or want to stand for. Great video once again 💪🏾🌱
@@FreddieAl My soy, France, doesn't involve the deliberate exploitation and torture of the dairy industry. I won't reply again, trolls are not worth the time. Have fun pretending you think all soy comes from S America
@@GarudaLegends Citation please. www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4191896/ The nice thing about this study is that these almost 100k people generally all live a very similar life style. After controlling for factors they found that vegetarians have a significantly lower risk of all-cause mortality than non-vegetarians. Vegans did better than lacto-ovo vegetarians.
@@longevitycoach1573I've spoken to a lot of ex vegans. None of them are educated in nutrition science, don't know what a calorie is and never sought the hel pof professionals for problems they wrongly associated with veganism. There is zero evidence that lack of meat causes brain damage. The direct opposite is true.
He has apparently moved far ethnically in a short period of time, yes he should be vegan immediately, but he seems to be on the way, but doesn't see the urgency. Influencers have a notorious reputation so it's natural to have defenses up on camera, along with the cognitive dissidence.
Ok so beforehand when I was talking about the holocaust comparison, I found 'TRIGGERED Vegan Can't Handle 3 Simple Questions' by Debug Your Brain, which managed to do it lol. For some reason they dont recommend it though.
My god i have so much massive respect for you dealing that patiently with these kind of types. Also: judging somebody because he cant handle the truth? 🤡 Man this ego centric guy is not spiritual at all.
@@veganpowerlab in my own spiritualty: judging somebody the basis of what you do to help other living beings is one of the worst things you can do to another person. He literally declared you crazy for doing the right thing. He clearly has no idea how destructive it is to attack the messenger of truth. Let me finish with one buddhist quote: "there is no room for compassion, gratitude or peace if you are full of judgement."
If one continues to identify as spitural ego . Spitural ego will harm your values you need your core values to operate a good purposeful life here and now. You can make fancy spitural excuses but its not very mindful my friend. The animals here need spiritual minded people with compassion . The change with the world starts with you and ends with you . Look up spitural bypassing this will help see what you haven't been fully seeing or hearing.
@@veganpowerlab Based on your argument that it's better an animal live wild. If it lives wild and dies a quick gunshot death, wouldn't that be the most merciful way to die, rather than by disease or wolves, for instance?
he has a whey protein key chain... bro's got no hope haha 8:45 and that's the only genuine reason they have for not going vegan.. pure selfishness. ego... all things he should be trying to tame with his whole "spiritual" reason for being vegetarian.
i adore pedro. well done.. don't let anyone bully you into anything.. everything is a process. and in order to be and stay vegan you need to walk your own path and not be "talked" into it like that.. i totally agree with him.. that's bad activism..
@@veganpowerlab well - since you're the only one talking to him - that's a strange question. he already told you that he's on his way. that it's a process. he's an ally on his way to becoming vegan and you managed to annoy him.. he won't have the best aftertaste after this conversation. i feel so often that vegans (which i am and have been one of for the last 12 years) push for extremes instead of working for a sustainable move into the right direction. we all want change as fast as possible. but the reality is, that a reduction of animal products is by far the best practical solution to help animals right now.. animal products are culturally deeply engrained in so many cultures and it won't change in a day. my experience is that i had so much more success with people getting them to be flexitarians first and then slowly moving them to being vegan.. we are all creatures of habit.. just because you win an cerebral discussions doesn't mean you also create change.. being right does not equate to creating change. the world isn't fair. nature isn't fair. it is what it is and if you ignore that i'm afraid you may just work against the things you actually care for. that's my 2 cents to that.
Have you missed the part where I explain exactly this: that the goal needs to be veganism? Have you missed the part where I applauded him for the progress? What exactly should I do as a vegan activist if not explaining what veganism is and try to push people in that direction? Like.. i doubt you’re vegan if you think that I’m pushing for extremes.. why are you vegan?
I see this as good enough isn't good enough. The man has cut out 90% of the animal products most people consume. Yet he is seen as just level as us normal meat eaters in your eyes. There was no acknowledgement of the steps he has already taken, you basically told him all the work he has done is pointless in your eyes.
It's certainly not clear if farmed animals are worse off than wild animals. I also can't imagine farmed animals agreeing to genocide as ending farming would mean the end of their species..A hard one to figure out..
So you think species existence is important for its own sake? Would you agree then since animal agriculture is the single biggest cause of biodiversity loss and species extinction that the right thing to do is go vegan? also farmed animals going extinct isn't necessarily entailed in a hypothetical where everyone stops eating them. The ones left over could live on sanctuaries and just exist for themselves rather than for human "purposes" as they do now. Similar to how your life is yours to do what you want with, animals want their bodily autonomy as well.
@@MrTheoptimiser Well I'm not a fan of the term bodily autonomy as it's used to mean the opposite of what you'd think such a term would mean. With that said, I think it's disingenuous for anyone to claim they are speaking for farmed animals, even their end goal is to see them completely eliminated, or mostly eliminated. I can't imagine if these animals could speak, they would agree with such a fate. Maybe there's an argument to be made that vegans are speaking for the wildlife that would replace farmed animals, if we committed genocide against farm animals, but I've never heard that argument made.
@bobhill4364 but can you appreciate that from the perspective of farmed animals that they don't want to be killed so you can have a 15 minute meal? If they could talk they would object to that surely?
@@MrTheoptimiser Absolutely. The question however is compared to what. Whether these animals would prefer being well fed, safe from predators, in exchange for being used in agriculture is harder to say. I wouldn't assume to know the answer to that.
I'm a little confused, he doesn't want to support animal flesh farming, but he's offended to know he's still supporting the same practices in when he buys any animal products? He even knew about the cruelties in the dairy industry already. So confusing. Why is abuse ok in one instance, but not ok in another?
Because he had a spiritual awakening obviously.
when he acknowledges his ego and still let's the ego take over as soon as he hears ONE harsh truth.
very 'spiritual' mate, this dude still has a lot of homework to do😆
you did great though, great questions!
Lol some shadow work for sure could definitely do.
Tough/awkward conversation and in all honesty I empathise with this guy as I came to vegetarianism in a similar manner. Through meditation leading to a felt deeper connection, rather than watching any documentary or ethics debate. He's in a transitional period, and no doubt where he is now already feels like a huge shift in mindset and lifestyle, so hearing someone tell him 'that's not quite good enough' is a tough pill to swallow. That said, unfortunately it took me another 2 years (and a vegan friend enlightening me on the egg and milk industries) before I went fully vegan. So as uncomfortable as it was, hopefully this conversation planted a seed with him that will lead to a transition to veganism in less time than it took me.
I can see that. It does seem like a big leap for most to cut out the dairy.its highly addictive to. Great point.
There's no "fully vegan" or "partially vegan", there is just vegan or not vegan. The point is, that vegetarianism is not different from meat eating. Eggs & milk come from rape, torturous conditions in confinement, systematic murder & kidnapping of new born males. And after all of that the females get sold and sent to the slaughterhouse too, so there's truly nothing good about vegetarianism. People trick themselves into thinking, this is a step by step thing, but it's not. You don't even lose much. There's still 7+ different types of milk and scrambled vegan eggs are also a thing. Honestly it's stupid to go vegetarian, after hearing about veganism.
"I am a good person" - Cognitive Dissonance
Haha.. yeah. Funny how he went directly to that when that was never in question
Baby Steps are for Babies. Also every true vegan wished they had realized sooner.
5% of population is vegan, how many are true vegans then? How do we know you're true vegan?
@@ostamaza22-yt4sq 5% is generous. not that many humans have true empathy..
@@ostamaza22-yt4sq pretty easily. They're someone that holds the position that it's immoral to exploit nonhumans and adheres to that.
Eating holocaust victims is crazy🥺🥺🥺💔💔💔
And if you were the victim, would you want your oppressors to take baby steps?😢😢😢
Thank you for your activism Cip😊😊😊♥️♥️♥️ Veganism is the future🤗🤗🤗🌎🌍🌏🐕🐙🐟🐮🐖🐔🦃🐝🐥🐴💚💚💚
I truly believe veganism is the future 🤗💚
I chuckled at 2:52 😆I enjoyed the conversation, he said that all his friends are vegan, I hope he goes 100% vegan soon! 💪🌱
Slowly he unravelled and exposed himself as not really caring about animals.. I knew it when he said chickens had the least conscienceness .
I was vegetarian for 40 years since the age of 16 ...i did not want to eat animals, but did not realise the horrors involved in the egg and dairy industries.
I truly thought you HAVE to eat these things and fell for the 'necessity' lies these industries fed us all...have now been vegan for 7 years and honestly wish i had done so much,much earlier!!!
Vegetarians just do not want to think they are harming animals and most will put up more of a defensive mechanism than meat eaters do because of this 😢
I also noticed that. The reality is that being vegetarian is not that much different to the animals 😢
i’m glad you made the change 🤗💚
Hopefully he will think more and realize his hypocrisy, like I did myself, and that being vegan is the moral baseline and change.
This felt like near-perfect outreach. You were understanding, intentional, and firm. I strive to be this great in my own outreach!
Omg. Thank you so much. 🤗 I’m very self critical and I do see how I could’ve done better
When he said you're crazy, I thought to myself: That person will never have the heart of gold to take to the streets to raise awareness of the animals, and so he doesn't understand those who have hearts of gold. He's too selfish, so he thinks that others who stand up for the animals (instead of earning money) are crazy. Very sad.
Indeed, it’s ridiculous to claim that someone following what they believe in and not falling prey to the 9 to 5 mentality is crazy. Some people…
Thanks for watching 🤗💚
Chickens are not less aware than cows. The idea that animals with smaller heads are less aware of less smarter is a theory that I never believed and one that had been totally debunked.
Yeah, it’s along the same lines as eating brains makes you smarter
Vegan Power Lab, I really enjoyed watching this, so I hit the like button!
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Very good cip , vegetarians just don't get it . Maybe his " spiritual Journey " might one day arrive at veganism.
@@FreddieAl i see you've been hard at work again trolling vegan channels , surely you have something better to do than try and refute veganism constantly
@@FreddieAl what an absurd comment, i am vegan posting comments on vegan channels. You're the malzoan who seems to be totally obsessed with veganism .
@@FreddieAl of course i post comments on a vegan channel seeing as i'm vegan , surely you must find that logical . What is not logical is the amount of time you spend trying to debunk vegans on so many different threads. Try being the operative word .
I know mine did . Definitely didn't let my spitural ego harm my core values.
Great job on this one cip. I hope he watches the video so he hears your fantastic “rant.” That was beautifully stated, every word of it.
I hope so too! Thank you so much, Nick 💚🤗
Excellent outreach. Thank you 💗💗💗
Thank you so much 🤗💚
Thank you Cip. You held him accountable. The question is now whether he will hold himself accountable, and no one can answer that yet. 🤘🤘🤘🤘
@@FreddieAl The weight of conscience.
@freddieai do you have conscience? cause, you're okay with the needless killing of innocent sentient individuals
@freddieai yeah.. you’re a speciesist. Same as a racist, but for a different trait
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ahahaha - "I'm spiritual. I value protein and convenience over ethics" and then it just went from there...yet again...Great patience and persistence dealing with this entitled ignorance. Thank you for being out there with the truth.
Thank you for watching 🤗💚
I like it, Cip! Great open discussion, and then you put pressure on him towards the end! :)
I tried, yeah. Thank you so much, Robin!
Excellent vegan outreach,keeping him accountable and focused, one is either against abusing animals or one is not.
If you are against abusing animals ,if you are against causing suffering and death to animals you must be vegan.
I think he was saying one thing and doing something else,I hope he thinks about the conversation and thinks about his actions, and decides to immediately stop participating in the most horrific cruelty the world has ever known.
@@FreddieAl the truth can be difficult to accept, no injustice lasts forever, be kind to others,stop being an oppressor.
@@FreddieAl you are free to do want you want to do,why do you keep engaging, why are you looking at vegan sites ?
Probably because you know on some level that what you are doing is wrong and you are looking for an excuse to continue killing innocent beings for your pleasure when you could easily choose from thousands of wonderful nutritious delicious healthy foods that don't deliberately cause suffering and death to anyone.
If you are against violence towards animals you must be vegan. Be kind, live a non violent life, not the life of an oppressor.
Soy milk tastes better though.
@@FreddieAl So Good Soy Milk (250mL):
Calories: 100
Protein: 7g
Total Fat: 4g
Saturated Fat: 0.5g
Cholesterol: 0mg
Carbohydrates: 10g
Sugars: 6g (varies by brand, added sugars)
Dietary Fiber: 1-2g
Calcium: 300mg (fortified)
Vitamin D: 2.5mcg (fortified)
Vitamin B12: 1.2mcg (fortified)
Potassium: 300mg
Vitamin A: 150mcg (fortified)
Vitamin C: 0mg
Iron: 1.5mg
Sodium: 120mg
Isoflavones: 20-50mg
Phosphorus: 250mg
Magnesium: 40mg
Riboflavin (B2): 0.45mg (fortified)
Zinc: 1mg
Omega-3 Fatty Acids: 0.6g (fortified, if applicable)
Folic Acid: 45mcg (fortified)
Whole Cow's Milk (250mL):
Calories: 150
Protein: 8g
Total Fat: 8g
Saturated Fat: 5g
Cholesterol: 20mg
Carbohydrates: 12g
Sugars: 12g (lactose)
Dietary Fiber: 0g
Calcium: 300mg
Vitamin D: 2.5mcg
Vitamin B12: 1.2mcg
Potassium: 350mg
Vitamin A: 150mcg
Vitamin C: 0mg
Iron: 0mg
Sodium: 120mg
Isoflavones: None
Phosphorus: 200mg
Magnesium: 24mg
Riboflavin (B2): 0.34mg
Zinc: 1mg
Omega-3 Fatty Acids: Trace amounts
Folic Acid: Trace amounts
Additionally, cow's milk contains mammalian estrogen, which can contribute to gynecomastia ("bitch tits") in men. In contrast, the phytoestrogens in soy milk can actually block estrogen receptors, potentially reducing estrogenic effects in men.
What kind of milk do you prefer, FreddieAl?
@@FreddieAl Can you please explain why that matters, because it seems like you're making an appeal to nature fallacy.
I'll add that there is also nothing natural about the dairy industry. Artifical insemination, synthetic hormones, antiparasitics, supplements, even the cows themselves are the product/victims of eugenics.
When i was vegetarian and going threw my own life situations i wished someone would of told me this way 🙃. I was too slow and for nothing it felt like. Im greatful i finally woke up and released on my own and started waching stuff about dairy and eggs and honey. And knew i was against myself by being vegetarian 🙃 😒. Ill never go back animals all liveing things are apart of us and need respect period.
I appreciate that you made the move 🤗💚 doesn’t matter that you did it fast or slow. You got there! That’s what matters 🤗
VGL pushing those buttons of thinking about our choices.
Spiritual awakening??
How disappointing this one is.
It could not have started in a better way. He said all the right things
Seems like no matter how it starts, if they don’t want to change, they become defensive and end up justifying horrific things
Loved the questions at the start of the video - really thought provoking and interesting. This video made me think of earthling eds video 'spirituality: the enemy of veganism'.
This is a tricky video! Obviously the guy isn't going to go vegan on the spot. But spirituality can be used as a block/justification for anything.
This is why you should use NTT with this kind of people, because even if they agree that what they are doing is wrong, they don't think is such a big deal and a great urgency to fix it.
That and/or footage, which I really want to incorporate into my activism. NTT is good, but it has to come naturally, otherwise it feels forced
Nice work Cip! 🌞 I hope he decides to take the next step & go vegan. Hopefully, he does it soon as "baby steps" are detrimental to the animals. That being said, at least he seems open to it. 🌱💯💚
Thank you so much, Donna 💚🤗 yeah, he seemed open minded indeed. Let’s hope he’ll make the step!
Baby steps are not detrimental to baby animals.. it's how they move around.
I know that awkward walk away, I’ve seen and experienced it. It’s not nice and borne off the dissonance one feels when confronted by the recognition of it. I hope this guy spends time thinking truthfully about he stands or want to stand for.
Great video once again 💪🏾🌱
Great stuff, thank you 💚💚
Glad you enjoyed it 🤗💚
Great talk
Thank you so much 🙏🤗💚
Soy milk contains almost as much protein as dairy if that's his concern. Turning 180 to the other side of the milk isle isn't much of a hardship
@@FreddieAl My soy, France, doesn't involve the deliberate exploitation and torture of the dairy industry. I won't reply again, trolls are not worth the time. Have fun pretending you think all soy comes from S America
Dairy products don't even have that much protein, so what is he on about?
It milk has tons of good nutrients. This is why ppl who consume dairy live vasly longer than vegans
@@GarudaLegends Citation please.
www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4191896/
The nice thing about this study is that these almost 100k people generally all live a very similar life style. After controlling for factors they found that vegetarians have a significantly lower risk of all-cause mortality than non-vegetarians. Vegans did better than lacto-ovo vegetarians.
@@longevitycoach1573 Citation please
Do you know that cow's Milk is for her baby? Calf?
@@longevitycoach1573I've spoken to a lot of ex vegans. None of them are educated in nutrition science, don't know what a calorie is and never sought the hel pof professionals for problems they wrongly associated with veganism. There is zero evidence that lack of meat causes brain damage. The direct opposite is true.
Thank you!! 🙏🏻🌱🌱
Jeeeeeeffrey.👓🍖🔴…. . 🙄
He has apparently moved far ethnically in a short period of time, yes he should be vegan immediately, but he seems to be on the way, but doesn't see the urgency.
Influencers have a notorious reputation so it's natural to have defenses up on camera, along with the cognitive dissidence.
Ok so beforehand when I was talking about the holocaust comparison, I found 'TRIGGERED Vegan Can't Handle 3 Simple Questions' by Debug Your Brain, which managed to do it lol. For some reason they dont recommend it though.
Animals are here with us not for us 🐮🐷💖
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My god i have so much massive respect for you dealing that patiently with these kind of types. Also: judging somebody because he cant handle the truth? 🤡 Man this ego centric guy is not spiritual at all.
Yeah. He claims he was spiritual. But, maybe he’ll think more and act. I can only hope
@@veganpowerlab in my own spiritualty: judging somebody the basis of what you do to help other living beings is one of the worst things you can do to another person. He literally declared you crazy for doing the right thing. He clearly has no idea how destructive it is to attack the messenger of truth. Let me finish with one buddhist quote: "there is no room for compassion, gratitude or peace if you are full of judgement."
Ask if they've tried any vegan restaurants!!
That’s a good point! I’ll try to incorporate vegan restaurants in my outreach. More and more people have suggested it
I really doubt he has any vegan friends as he said lol
If he did he would know why vegans are unhealthy and why to never eat a deficient and unhealthy vegan diet.
Garuda, do you wanna compare who’s healthier between you and me? Body composition, blood tests, vo2max and other indicators?
If one continues to identify as spitural ego . Spitural ego will harm your values you need your core values to operate a good purposeful life here and now. You can make fancy spitural excuses but its not very mindful my friend. The animals here need spiritual minded people with compassion . The change with the world starts with you and ends with you . Look up spitural bypassing this will help see what you haven't been fully seeing or hearing.
So, is the vegan for hunting meat only?
Why would hunting be better? It’s still slaughter for optional food
@@veganpowerlab Based on your argument that it's better an animal live wild. If it lives wild and dies a quick gunshot death, wouldn't that be the most merciful way to die, rather than by disease or wolves, for instance?
Uugghh!
Glad to see your out there spreading the good message making people’s think about their own thought actions
he has a whey protein key chain... bro's got no hope
haha 8:45 and that's the only genuine reason they have for not going vegan.. pure selfishness. ego... all things he should be trying to tame with his whole "spiritual" reason for being vegetarian.
i adore pedro. well done.. don't let anyone bully you into anything.. everything is a process. and in order to be and stay vegan you need to walk your own path and not be "talked" into it like that.. i totally agree with him.. that's bad activism..
Who was bullying him and how exactly?
@@veganpowerlab well - since you're the only one talking to him - that's a strange question. he already told you that he's on his way. that it's a process. he's an ally on his way to becoming vegan and you managed to annoy him.. he won't have the best aftertaste after this conversation. i feel so often that vegans (which i am and have been one of for the last 12 years) push for extremes instead of working for a sustainable move into the right direction. we all want change as fast as possible. but the reality is, that a reduction of animal products is by far the best practical solution to help animals right now.. animal products are culturally deeply engrained in so many cultures and it won't change in a day. my experience is that i had so much more success with people getting them to be flexitarians first and then slowly moving them to being vegan.. we are all creatures of habit.. just because you win an cerebral discussions doesn't mean you also create change.. being right does not equate to creating change. the world isn't fair. nature isn't fair. it is what it is and if you ignore that i'm afraid you may just work against the things you actually care for. that's my 2 cents to that.
Have you missed the part where I explain exactly this: that the goal needs to be veganism? Have you missed the part where I applauded him for the progress?
What exactly should I do as a vegan activist if not explaining what veganism is and try to push people in that direction?
Like.. i doubt you’re vegan if you think that I’m pushing for extremes.. why are you vegan?
I see this as good enough isn't good enough. The man has cut out 90% of the animal products most people consume. Yet he is seen as just level as us normal meat eaters in your eyes. There was no acknowledgement of the steps he has already taken, you basically told him all the work he has done is pointless in your eyes.
You have not watched the video
Watched once, skimmed a second time, at 3:35 you said "I love that". Though this was in response to his motivations, not the work he already did.
It's certainly not clear if farmed animals are worse off than wild animals. I also can't imagine farmed animals agreeing to genocide as ending farming would mean the end of their species..A hard one to figure out..
So you think species existence is important for its own sake? Would you agree then since animal agriculture is the single biggest cause of biodiversity loss and species extinction that the right thing to do is go vegan?
also farmed animals going extinct isn't necessarily entailed in a hypothetical where everyone stops eating them. The ones left over could live on sanctuaries and just exist for themselves rather than for human "purposes" as they do now. Similar to how your life is yours to do what you want with, animals want their bodily autonomy as well.
@@MrTheoptimiser Well I'm not a fan of the term bodily autonomy as it's used to mean the opposite of what you'd think such a term would mean.
With that said, I think it's disingenuous for anyone to claim they are speaking for farmed animals, even their end goal is to see them completely eliminated, or mostly eliminated. I can't imagine if these animals could speak, they would agree with such a fate.
Maybe there's an argument to be made that vegans are speaking for the wildlife that would replace farmed animals, if we committed genocide against farm animals, but I've never heard that argument made.
@bobhill4364 but can you appreciate that from the perspective of farmed animals that they don't want to be killed so you can have a 15 minute meal? If they could talk they would object to that surely?
@bobhill4364 it's clear from their behavior that they object to gas chambers and bolt guns in fact.
@@MrTheoptimiser Absolutely. The question however is compared to what. Whether these animals would prefer being well fed, safe from predators, in exchange for being used in agriculture is harder to say. I wouldn't assume to know the answer to that.