My response to a MAGA pastor who isn't a fan.
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- This video is part of my Christian Case Against Donald Trump series, but I don't have a particular chapter to put it into. I was thinking about what it means to be an ambassador for Christ when I saw the comment from this pastor. It helped me to understand some of the distorted thinking that lies beneath the MAGA Christian worldview.
A candidate who supported " Christian values" would never proclaim that he would seek retribution on his " enemies".
Touche!
You nailed it.
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“Vengeance is Mine, said the Lord”… not tRump’s…
That’s true. Jesus said in Matthew 5:44 and Luke 6:27, Luke 6:35, “ Love your enemies, bless and curse not, pray for those who spitefully use you “ Then Jesus did just that as He hung on the cross and prayed “ Father forgive them for they do not know what they do.” Luke 23:34.
Closed borders, strong economy, strength through power are not Christian values. Try love, understanding, compassion, generosity, acceptance.
They call those things woke sadly! They even call Jesus woke now. And say trump is strong, even wearing his diaper. Did u see the Magas now wearing t shirts that say “real men wear diapers”!!!!? Wow
"Then he will say to those on his left, ‘Depart from me, you who are cursed, into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels. For I was hungry and you gave me nothing to eat, I was thirsty and you gave me nothing to drink, I was a stranger and you did not invite me in, I needed clothes and you did not clothe me, I was sick and in prison and you did not look after me.’ “They also will answer, ‘Lord, when did we see you hungry or thirsty or a stranger or needing clothes or sick or in prison, and did not help you?’ “He will reply, ‘Truly I tell you, whatever you did not do for one of the least of these, you did not do for me.’"
Matthew 25:41-45
And love your enemy or love your neighbour as you love yourself. Where does Trump practice these basic Christian beliefs. Thank you for your courage to speak the truth🙏
@@elainesmith2334I think Trump didn't actually read the Bible, so he's confused Eros and Philia. (Passion and Brotherly Love. My Greek spelling is probably wrong.)
That's why he thinks he has the right to grab women. He grew up in the 60's free love and all that projected onto the "love your neighbor" ❣️😂
@@mamiemartinson4649just an FYI. None of the guys I grew up with in the 60s were ever inclined to grope women because of "free love." That's a silly comparison. Trump's perversions and bad morals arose from him being a spoiled brat millionaire who felt he was entitled to do what he wanted with women.
What a wonderful sincere discussion about Trump. I was a republican until Donald Trump. I would never vote for someone who is the absolute opposite to anything Jesus taught me in the Bible. Hate and vindictiveness is totally the opposite. Thank you so much.
No, you voted for a wannabe President who believes in corruption, contempt, abortion, and killing others! Nice job! Not that is something to be proud of!
AMEN
Sermon on the Mount.
@@veramae4098 Bwahahahahaha! Sadly this is far from that! Correct title should be Sermon from living in the flesh would be more accurate. TDS is not much of a defense.
I voted for Trump quite hesitantly in 2016, and immediately saw the negative effects of my choice while I worked in a state government office. I had believed Obamacare to be an abomination until I read every one of its policies for my job and realized they were actually good policies. The day I saw Trump encouraging people to storm the capital was the day I decided to start voting Democrat. Proud of it now. No more cognitive dissonance for me.
My parents think I've gone mad. I've lost friends. But I don't see any Christ-likeness in Trump and so I just can't support him. Ever. He's not even pro-life but has convinced so many that he is.
“Closed borders” is not a value… it’s a political wedge.
It lacks the understanding that can correct the problem. But knowing why it happens is too negative for those who live in la la land. It would reveal a dark side to Americanism and its influence in the world. By exposing darkness, light returns.
Really takes “love your neighbor” in a different direction.
Jesus is not closed borders, he welcomes all to his table.
@@JoshuaHultswhat about some of those old testament verses that talk about leaving 10 percent of your field for the alien and the fatherless....you're supposed to honor not destroy.
@@David-xb8hz we are under new covenant not old. But even in old covenant a foreigner was allowed to live in israel just not own land. in fact the genealogy of Jesus has God fearing gentiles in it. In fact America is Godless, the philippines has more God believing Christians in it than America does, South korea by population sends more missionaries out than usa does.
With all that said the church and the state do not mix according to Jesus. Therefore we are neither for or against politically, instead we pray and shine lights and let God handle the hard parts. If God sends foreigners we can witness to them, if he does not send then we can go to them.
The MAGA Worship A Golden Calf
Exactly 💯👍
I agree. Quite a few people online have compared Trump to the Golden Calf.
Orange calf
I’d say it’s more that MAGA worships a gilded ass passing itself off as golden stallion.
@MelanieNLee At one of the MAGA gatherings, they actually had a Golden Trump statue in the entryway.
Beware the pastor who tell you how to vote and the politician who tell you how to pray.
Better to say 'Why' than 'How.'
Brilliant
Bingo!
at least trump realises religion is nonsense and uses it to his advantage...to believe in a god in the first place is gullibility
@@paulrichards6894 so let me get this straight…you prefer Trump because he’s a con artist who gains power by scamming a bunch of religious people, but doesn’t then implement atheist policies and instead does everything the most evil Christians want to force on the general public. You prefer him because he doesn’t care about anything and only acts to gain power.
Excellent! I too am a retired pastor but from Canada. I have only watched two of your videos ... Amen! Many of us in Canada think Christians in the USA have lost their minds with their support for Trump. Keep up the great work!
@williamhorne1811 Trump supporters are truth seekers, and we do not follow blindly. Your opinion is just that, an opinion. Seek absolute truth of which Is not subjective.
Sadly, it's seeped across the border.
@MamaJanella I agree evil has seeped across the globe. The sad truth is how many do not realize who the true evil is.
@MamaJanella I agree, evil has seeped across the globe. The sad truth is that many do not realize who the true evil is.
@@user-ck9og8pe2g A side that seeks to create an “alternate reality” can not, by its very nature, be a seeker of truth. To seek truth is to seek reality. If you can not discern the difference between finding truth and finding what aligns with your predetermined perspective, then perhaps reflect on what truth is before you attempt to seek it.
Break from your bubble. See the world. Meet its people. Discover. Become enlightened through experience. I think you’ll find truth seeking less of a struggle.
Dear Pat Kahnke. As a European (Danish) evangelical pastor / professor who has been witnessing the decay and corruption of the American GOP and American evangelicalism, I've been viewing this very fine response here with joy and relief. It gives me hope that some sanity and wholesomeness may be awakened within our brothers and sisters. Thank you!!
YOU SAY NOTHING ABOUT DEMOCRATS WHY?
Thank God for some common sense in europe. Croatia here, these NAR movement is everywhere, here in Croatia is eldorado for that garbage.
You didn't actually listen to this, did you? @@dannychambers8076
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@@dannychambers8076 Your ilk never address the outright demonic, repeated blasphemy of Donald Trump. Why?
I’m a Christian who has broken off from my church because of their support for Trump, you gave me hope that I’m not the only Christian seeing the evil that this man has caused to our country.
I'm sorry you had to but glad you did. I hope you can find your way to a church full of actual disciples of Jesus. Much love, brother.
You are not alone. God bless. Many Christian’s see Trumps evil.
There' are other churches that also align this way.. Churches that focus on God and not politics.. Leave Cesar to what's Cesar.. try attending maranatha chapel online at 830 pst
I hear you, and I felt the same shock/ disapointment at the fundamentalist support for Trump... nonetheless I had to stay with my church, in hopes that I might eventually persuade [some of] my family- in- Christ to put principles, _Biblical_ ones, over personalities, the lost world over self- interest and frank social Darwinism... (starting with the fact that 99+% of us do not look like Pocahontas or Chief Powhatan, addressing the "closed borders" hypocrisy!)
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As an atheist raised in the Christian faith, it’s a relief to see a Christian that actually cares about what his faith ordains. Such a rare sight these days.
Agree
there are good christians about but most are horrible human beings
Same boat
Same here
Atheists, Christians, Conservatives, Drag Queens, Trans and Gay people, all coming together - over the belief that Donald Trump poses a unique threat. It’s both hilarious and beautiful.
Who here is SICK of all the Republican propaganda on TBN? I AM!
Do like I do... don't watch! Problem solved 😊
I’m sick of Trump and all his sheep
@@81654 Pray for them.
Block those miserable channels.
@@jessievasquez2311 The channels have good stuff, but they are being led astray by politics.
I'm not a fan of any kind of religious rhetoric but common sense gets me every time. Thank you.
Also a Presidential candidate who " stood for democracy" would not proclaim that any election where he didn't win was " rigged". He lost and he needs to " man up" and admit it.
Donald Trump knows he lost. He is stirring up all of this mess because he is a sore loser.
Amen!
Exactly
Hillary Clinton and some of her supports were themselves election deniers in the 2016 presidential election . There is a high level of hypocrisy within the Democratic Party
Well said!
Very sad that a Pastor would state Christian values are closed borders. My Pastor has always instructed me to help my neighbors!
Thank you for stating this. I have been very concerned about the lack of concern for our fellow human beings who are in other parts of the world suffering. As a follower of Jesus we are to "Love our neighbors as ourselves".
Your pastor doesn’t worship the golden MAGA statue of the anointed prophet either, good for him!
Reasonable human beings are for CONTROLLED immigration, not the chaotic invasion we have now, nor the isolationist "close the border" mentality of MAGA.
EVEN THE DRUG DEALERS AND MURDERS THAT BIDEN LET INTO AMERICA ?
When people come in illegally many (not all) are criminals and murderers as we've seen recently. The are unvaccinated and drug runners and child trafficking. Let's open our eyes
I live in Australia. I remember when the premier of New South Wales was caught in a lie. One single lie. And his response was to resign immediately. He was wrong to have told the lie, but he did the right thing by resigning within hours. A businessman had said that he had given an expensive bottle of wine to the premier. But the premier denied it. Then the businessman produced a thank you card, from the premier and his wife, thanking the businessman and his wife for the lovely wine. The event was even recorded in the premier's diary it was later proved. He said it had slipped his mind, and resigned, stating that his position had become untenable. So that was the end of his career as a politician. But Donald Trump tells lies every day, it can easily be shown, by comparing his public statements from one week to the next. Donald Trump has lost numerous court cases. He always pleads his innocence stating that he is under seige, that it's all political persecution by the Democrats and the Biden Crime family. He is now promising to get them back if he is elected president. So Donald Trump thinks the president should be a police officer who can arrest and charge people and throw them in jail. As well as being a prosecutor, a judge, a jury and a jailer. Trump doesn't promote forgiveness, tolerance or understanding. He Just wants to punish people who don't support him. Because he is such a victim. Trump believes in anger, retribution and punishment. He is opposed to forgiveness. He hates people. So heaven help America if he ever becomes president. He bears false witness. He speaks with forked tongue. He only wants Christians to vote him into power and keep him there.
Thank you, Anthony Mumford. 🙏🏼
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Not a religious person, but this dude has so much self awareness, and is so level headed. I wish I could be like him.
Buddhist here. Pastor I just wanted to tell you that I listen to you again and again because you're a thoughtful, reasonable person speaking truth about what we face. I appreciate your gentle way of speaking and reasoning with other Christians. This gives me hope that maybe we can avert dark times ahead for all of us if fascism overtakes America. Thank you for all of your efforts. Deep Bow.
And an elderly person raised Christian who is grateful for the values that faith taught me agrees.
Happy we're on the same page! 🙂
God knows what dwells in our hearts. No matter the path, those who seek earnestly arrive at the same destination.
CON ARTIST PLAYED YOU !
dannychambers Yeah con artists are all about fooling you into being a kind loving human being.
I was a Republican for 50 years. In 2016, when Trump became the Republican candidate for President, I decided that I could no longer be a Republican. Thank for your story about hypothetically being an ambassador to Canada.
If you begin by saying, I speak for God or I speak for anyone, you better look in the mirror and see who you really speak for. I don’t recognize the country that I live in. This is a different country, if I disagreed with my neighbor. I said we have a disagreement. Let’s settle it, I didn’t take the street in his name his family and all that he represented. I have to vote this year, I have to vote this year. It’s my duty as an American as a citizen. It’s my right. Who do I vote for clearly I have those candidates Represents something of what I think and feel. I don’t want guns in the street. I don’t want children shot down in school. What to do about transgender issues. I am sure of these things number one. Everyone needs to be treated with compassion and given the hope that is winning us in Jesus Christ. How do we do this? We preach the gospel we remember that Jesus said love your neighbor as you love yourself we practice the goodness of the Samaritan practice, we practice the honesty and sometimes speaking of the apostle Paul. Most of all we practiced the humility of Jesus and the love of Jesus for all of creation, all of God’s people, whoever and wherever they may be. By the way, I’m 76, I’m trained as a pastor but I work in a lot of secular jobs in order to make my ends meet. I don’t believe we are going to get anything better by turning back clock and forcing people into corners because they don’t fit the mold of what is currently going on. Jesus brought light and love into the world. He said come out of the darkness come into the glorious light, which is God and Jesus Christ his son. Don’t pull curtains over the issues that you don’t want to deal with or you want to push harder, I know you do. The one thing we were always told in my school was you cannot judge, and you place your own salvation in danger. When we judge, we take upon ourselves to power of God to make decisions for everyone else, but we have to live with those decisions as well. I don’t like some decisions I’ve already made just for me and my family. Why would I do anything for anyone else like that?
There's a word for people who perceive some deep spiritual significance to Donald Trump: "Sucker."
Hi..Pastor..Good day..I enjoyed watching and listening to you..
I had been asking FATHER GOD TO BE OUR PRESIDENT THROUGH MR JOE BIDEN..I KNOW GOD LISTENS TO THE PRAYERS OF HIS CHILDREN (CHRISTIANS BY HEART)..GOD BLESS US ALL.❤
I was a staunch conservative for my entire life until 2016. I'll happily be called a liberal or Democrat by comparison. I understand fully how he was able to consolidate everyone under his brand of fascism. He did so by bribing the evangelical Leaders, hiring Cambridge analytica to create Qanon, the lock her up movement, and did so through the theft of Facebook user metadata, without a single users consent(why it's considered theft). They built algorithms based on the psychological profile data gleaned from that metadata, which then have the co-opted media networks the ammo necessary to create tailored content, to take advantage of those psychological pressure points.
I refuse to be a part of any party or group, that willingly toys with it's people's perceptions and mental stability. Watching what it's done to my loved ones, had been heartbreaking. A lot of them have lost everything because they fell hard into the paranoia and insanity of these groups. They turned against their own children, family, for Trump. You can't have a civil conversation, a normal exchange with them, everything always goes back to Trump and a crazy conspiracy. These were people that worked hard, were model neighbors, that would do anything for anyone, and now they're full of hate and distrust. Seeing what it's fine to the country has been hardest. I see us entering into a civil war within five years. I think it's inescapable now. May God forgive us for destroying ourselves and being led astray
@@ElsieVillar-sq4vhYou’re making the same mistake as Trump supporters.
I am not a Christian, but I thank you for making this video. The pastor who wrote to you is my stereotypical view of Christians, and I thank you for showing that you are not all like him. You are a good man.
Former Christian here. When I was in Christian school I was told that we were peacemakers, the light of the world, hope for salvation, all that fun stuff. In the years since I graduated, I’ve seen teachers, other students, even my former vice principal do and say some insane stuff. (one teacher participated in Jan 6…) Even the rest of my family is deep within the cult and I just feel left out for having the personal moral code to say “that ain’t right” or “Jesus didn’t say that”.
It’s a breath of fresh air hearing other Christians feel the same way I do about the country. Keep doing what you do.
Finally a person of faith making sense of the crazy.
Church and politics MUST stay separated.
As the pastor so eloquently stated our kingdom isn't of this world we are just representatives / ambassadors of and for Christ that are allowing the love, empathy,compassion etc shine through us
i want to know how so many Americans believe in a middle eastern probably egyptian god??
Please be encouraged to continue what our Lord has given you to do...Trump is dividing us, and calling for hatred and violence against those who disagree with him...blessings Pastor Pat...
This is what I don't understand. How can any Christian see the way that Trump acts and think that it's ok to elect a man who says and does the things Trump does.
And also, Trump lyingly CLAIMS to be a man of God, although he doesn't have a favorite quote in the Bible, he doesn't have a preference of New Testament over Old, he isn't known to go to church on a regular basis, he's profane and yet claims to be a righteous Christian, so he really doesn't support Christian values.
@@UnashamedCaliforniagirlyou have plenty of company. Many of us don't understand. I'm thankful some of us don't have twisted minds and evil souls like they do.
@@UnashamedCaliforniagirl The Bible warned us (Christians) to beware of antichrist-like (false saviors) figures. It wasn't warning sinners, it was warning US.
@@UnashamedCaliforniagirl I think they worship in fear and know not how to follow? Jesus that is, maybe?
This minister felt he got sick? These people who support a man who has broken every commandment and has absolutely no moral compass is who he trusts ? Sick..truly sick. Thank you. You give me so much hope.
I'm a recovering lifelong Republican who left in 2016. Now an Independent voter. That was one of the best sermons I have heard regarding the replacement of biblical values with secular values. I think the biggest issue many Christians have with Joe Biden is that he is pro-choice. Trump tells people what they want to hear, even if he doesn't believe it or live by it himself. I think holding someone in high regard who is disingenuous about what they actually believe is dangerous. We should be following Jesus' way of love and striving to make the beloved community a reality here on Earth. It would sure make our brief time here so much better.
When you R word women, you can be sure from military school weekends and during his marriages many babies have gone missing.
R...ists in department store dressing rooms, don't use condoms!
I once heard a compelling argument regarding freedom of reproductive healthcare. You can personally believe that abortion is immoral, but that doesn’t mean it needs to be illegal. The harm caused to American women with how far these radical right-wing Christian Nationalists have taken this issue is immeasurable. Too many are using politics as a platform to promote and legislate their own religious beliefs, to which not all (nor even most) citizens adhere.
@@HRHDMKYT I'm a believer, but I believe something as deep as Abortion is between the person and their God as long as it is not repeated as a means of lazy birth control. It should shock you into reality to leave no good men alone and for sure apres assault.
Keep in mind that anti-abortion rhetoric has been used since Roe as a wedge issue to advance the the GOP's antisocial policies. Many prominent Christians supported Roe when it was decided as an appropriate, compassionate middle way, and I still do.
As a Christian, I agree with everything you have said. What is happening is horrifying.
I wonder if you have that same energy for abortion?
why are you convinced by a bronze age war god who almost certainly originated in egypt??
I'd even nitpick and say that Biden doesn't have "followers". People vote for Biden. They don't follow (or worship...) him. 8:32
I do follow Biden on Social Media but that isn't the same.
@@mamiemartinson4649 ah, yeah, i don't count that lol. I am now kind of uncomfortable that we call it "following"... Whatever, it's the context that matters.
I was thinking exactly this the other day when driving through rural Texas and realizing that only Trump has followers in your definition, displaying their giant Trump banners and flags outside their homes. I have never seen this sort of idolization for a politician before, and I hope once Trump is gone I never see it again.
@@dmc7911 there's definitely things like the bumper stickers (usually stay on forever) and yard signs (usually gone after election), but yeah, the merch collections for Trump are much more like "obsessed with this person" level... Fwiw, the Biden campaign website DOES have a flag, and I've heard from people who live in deep red areas flying one to um...add more color to their area? you could probably nutpick and find a Biden devotee, but that's beside the point. The follower aspect goes beyond merch into, "I will not believe anything negative about this man, no matter how much proof there is. Only he tells the truth." 😬
TBH politician merch makes me uncomfortable. I prefer to just donate to a campaign and not have the bits and bobs. I have political shirts, but they're pro-democracy/human rights shirts, not personality shirts (like "VOTE!" and "be kind" and "places that start by burning books end by burning people"). The one exception is i have a sweatshirt with the photo of Bernie sitting at the inauguration with his mask and mittens. I don't have strong feelings about him, I just thought it was super cute and he gave all the proceeds to the Vermont food banks instead of his campaign. Whatever. 🤷 I might want a dark brandon shirt just to be a troll, though. But proper dark, with bat wings and tentacles and hellfire behind him. 🤣
@@dmc7911 Franklin Delano Roosevelt. And to some extent Ronald Regan, but with him it never quite reached the fevered pitch. Perhaps also Abraham Lincoln, though my reading of history would seem to point to that kind of idolization occurring after he was assassinated.
As I glance through the comments on your video I'm struck by how many professed atheists are thanking you for your ministry. I too no longer identify as a Christian (but don't claim to be an atheist either) and also appreciate your message. I think you have a powerful ministry to those of us who have left the church over its hypocrisy but still yearn to hear the message of Christ.
@bobsnead1153 Thanks for saying that. My goal for the channel, eventually, is to transition it into what I had hoped when I renamed it Culture, Faith, and Politics. I want to cover broad based topics that would be of interest to people of any faith (or non-faith). Good books, movies, music, and interviews with fascinating people. This political thing is hopefully just a season on the channel. I'm excited that people are finding the channel who might enjoy the broader content I hope to do someday.
True Christianity is not a religion, an establishment or an organization. It is a personal relationship with the Lord Jesus Christ. It is placing full faith and trust in HIm, and in His work, and becoming molded into His image.
Sadly, organized religion today, denominations, etc are so hypocritical to true Biblical doctrine due to ignorance and apathy, that we must read Jesus' words to the Pharisees and the woes He proclaimed against them, and evaluate ourselves in the same light, because we have become them.
Continue to follow Christ. He is the only Way, He is the only Truth, He is the only Light.
Thank you for your insights into our current political issues. Like you, I have been a lifelong Republican until Trump came along. The un-Christian behavior of the far right has damaged my faith. Thank you for your wise and calming words. They give me hope.
I can't say they damage my faith, because the Bible warned us that people would reject truth for things that tickle their ears. The politically idolatrous Trump supporters embody that verse perfectly.
The Church has chosen the Love of Power over the Power of Love.
love...how is cancer and motor neurone disease love iyo??
Well put!
Wow
of course that isn't love. But His/Her/Their kingdom is not of this world. Remember He has prepared a place for us to go after this life where there will be no more suffering, nor loneliness, nor pain. In this world, His love is all around our hearts and souls, and He wants nothing more than for each one of us to let Him in.
I don't always feel that love myself, but I know it is there. I like to think others see Him in me whenever I help a sister, or make a brother smile, or cry with them... or listen.... or really see my fellow human.
May the Lord bless you and reveal Himself to you.
With love...
@@laurakirkland4290 the evidence for this is??...notice Christians have this lovely place to go but are in no rush to get there.....they fight tooth and nail to stay in this lonely painful and a place where most people suffer....funny old world
I'm an atheist, but let me say: thank you for being a voice of sanity.
I'm so happy to have found your videos. I sometimes feel like my wife and I are the only Christians that see the things you talk about. You are so on point that we are called to follow and imitate Christ first. Let no politician interfere with or highjack that!
I am a Christian, voted for him but not anymore.
✊🏻 I support your decision, as I also deeply regret ever voting for him.
Honestly for me the way Donald Trump talks about women is enough to completely " turn me off" the notion that he supports anything resembling " Christian values". Jesus was no misogynist and neither are truly godly men. ❤❤❤
You are spot on 100%.
@@ritacouchcooper2842 Its bull
@@TimSpangler-rd6vs
Explain, please!
@@valeriebreathet741 Only women have reproductive rights
@@TimSpangler-rd6vs no it really is not
"... you made him sick." He's right that the choice between Trump and Biden is a choice between good and evil, only he has no clue as to Trump's corruption and evil. Good show, Pat!
You missed the point.
@@user-wh5ir4fo4rHe nailed the point. ALL of the rubrics that the pastor used to justify Trump's "worthiness" for office, Trump has been an abysmal failure in. Trump fails that person's test. So... Who missed the point?
Well said!
@@pullcarsmelly8051
You told her right. 👍
Thank you for an excellent talk!
I'm not religious, but I'm not a stranger to religion either. The one thing that puzzles me about MAGA "Christians" is, how unchristian like they seem to be. It's kind of sad, and I feel sorry for them.
That is what I'm starting to notice "religion" it is Christian in name only. Their religion is Christianity but they have pulled political ideology into their theology. To a point of looking at Trump and saying they are voting for a candidate with like minded values. A man who even atheist see as completely opposite to the teaching of Christ. Or Biden who is a life long Catholic, no indication of infidelity with either of his two wives one of which ended in death not divorce. Biden who rode public transportation to work as a US congressman. Yeah one of his kids had or has issues that's 100% relatable to 95% of normally thinking parents. Biden is not a Communist or socialist the economy is booming despite high prices. Our military is so strong giving our old out dated equipment away is grinding Russia up and we are supporting America jobs replacing it. Biden actually gamed the oil industry while they sold him we did too, then when our flooding the market with oil it went low and Biden bought it all back and made a profit. Biden doesn't ask others to bend the knee and profess loyalty. I don't see good values or even American ones in Trump other than greed is good, as well as, lies, rape, violence, fraude, infidelity, and hate are ok. What Christian values does I can not do my job with out breaking the law come from? Where does it say if I have religion and I am a good person I get to go to heaven, because that's why you're good. It is unending the obvious lack of Christian values other than Trump is going to install a false Christianity into schools and government?
I'm a born again Christian as well as a preacher of the gospel. Pastor Pat, you have spoken the TRUTH. I see it the same way you see it. Trump is only using Christians as they are blindly following him. I too will be voting for Joe Biden again. I will share your video on my social platform. God bless you sir ❤🙏🏾.
BIDEN'S OATH BROKEN TO PROTECT OUR COUNTRY ! BIDEN WORKS FOR THE DEVIL AND YOUR A FOOL !
voting for Biden is not the best choice
@@FamilySlavens with MY VOTE, I Can choose to vote for who I BELIEVE is best for the presidency, and you can vote for who YOU choose. Thank you and keep moving forward!
@@lamaralexander5642 WOW! Such anger - I was not telling how to vote. I was just saying, Neither are the best choices. I'm not crazy about trump or Biden. Joe is not even running the country (who knows who really is) and Trump is a dictator.
@@FamilySlavens I have no anger. Feels like nowadays when individuals share who they are supporting, knives and daggers come out. I was just stating my position, but I agree with you regarding Biden and Trump!
Pat, the fact that this pastor capitalized the word 'power' when he wrote "strength through Power", speaks volumes about him, his mindset, and his misunderstanding of the gospel of Jesus Christ. May God continue to bless you, your family, and the work you have undertaken in speaking the truth.
Yikes! "Strength through Power" is very close to the motto of Hitler youth. Actually worse than that, because their motto was "Kraft durch freude." "Strength through Joy." They capitalized it, too.
that Pastor seems more like a Christian Nationalist which isnt Christianity at all
Strength through Power is such an ominous phrase. When I see people use phrases like that I immediately distrust whatever else they might say.
Yep - a nod to fascism…😖
He's talking about the white kind of Power ... but that's the devil
"Spinning out of control in a nice Canadian way!" Priceless!
It hurts my brain seeing the contortions MAGA self-proclaimed Christians go through to reconcile their idolatry.
Everyone, not a Christian, will be forced to justify themselves. That won't go well for the lost, and it'll be far worse for wolves in sheep's clothing. If a rich American is a wolf, he'll be most harshly judged, because to whom much is given, much will be required.
I have a difficult time believing that "freedom of religion" as identified by the pastor refers to actual freedom of religion for all, including those who don't subscribe to his interpretation of Christianity. When I see his words, and hear them read, I just think Christian Nationalism. Thank you for taking the time to defend your viewpoint. I think you're spot on.
Yep, not freedom of religion if we are being forced to follow a single religion. Looking at you, Oklahoma, proposing a bill that would require the bible be taught is history and science classes in public schools. (I was taught the bible as a piece of literature in English class, which is fine, but they literally want the bible to he taught as fact in science classes)
I love Jesus. I gave my life wholly to Christ at a very young age. It has crushed my heart seeing Christians fight over politics instead of being Christ’s representatives to invite others to come and turn from ourselves and put our hope in following Him, not a man made anything.
I have strong political beliefs, but I am a flawed human. I appreciate how you brought up Bonhoeffer. Yes, I’ve heard Bonhoeffer was martyred for his politics, but he was martyred for speaking out love against unarguable evil.
Both Biden and Trump are human. Both are not Jesus. Both have no right to claim they are the only way to our Lord and Savior, our mighty God. Our union with Christ is only through the life, death and resurrection of Jesus.
Trump is not God’s ambassador, nor is Biden, only Jesus is.
I appreciate the clarity you bring to the table.
"Not by might, not by power, but by my Spirit sayeth The Lord".
GOOD LUCK WITH THAT.
@@dannychambers8076 Yeah good luck with what the Bible says. Brilliant comment.
I'm an atheist. Groomed to be a Christian Nationalist from birth, breaking out of that cult is the hardest thing I have ever done. It's too bad that I now understand there to be no legitimate theology because I would totally join your church. Preach it, brother! We NEED more religious leaders like you!
Same. As a fellow atheist, it's fair to say I yearn for truth, wise words, wholesome thoughts and keen observations. I taught science for 20 years, but I also have a deep love for the arts. One does not exist at the expense of the others. If this pastor led a flock near me, I would go and listen...enthusiastically.
Same here. Thank you kind Sir....
So happy for you. It may have been the hardest thing you have done but it was also the best thing you could have done for you.
In an atheist but I still attend a non denominational church because of the sense of community and inclusion that church has.
Well!! You broke out of cult that’s a big deal!! But here’s the thing God IS NOT A religion and there’s many devils within the church and you Can’t study the Bible with just your eyes because you have to be willing to open your soul in order to hear God !! And no one is an atheist because everyone worships something whatever it may be!!
Thank you for speaking up! May other Christian leaders add their voices before it's too late.
Anyone following Trump would not be swayed by your arguments. Your arguments are cogent, well reasoned, logical. I'm not sure any Maga followers would or could understand. But I appreciate you.
As a former Christian (for a various reasons), but a follower of the teachings of Jesus concerning love, forgiveness, compassion, etc., I thoroughly agree with you. I love how you responded to that pastor without calling out his name and protecting his identity with true Christ-like love. Many blessings to you, sir.🙏🏽♥️
Pat, you are the real deal. A breath of fresh air. That pastors comment made me sad.
You are exactly right Pat! We are not to force but to tell, and to show by our lifestyle. I notice you didn’t get into the minutiae of what the anonymous pastor saw as good. Let me just say a few things, law and order? Donald Trump? Does he not know, has he not heard about Donald’s indictments, some 80 something accounts. Many of which he has confessed to and is seeking immunity for. The scriptures repeatedly tell us to be careful how we treat the immigrant and the stranger among us. Trump was in office four years how many days did he close the border? Spoiler alert none. The economy is doing fine, I don’t know where he is in America but I expect that if his congregation is stable so is the church’s income. If everybody had Jesus what a wonderful world this would be, that goes without saying. But Jesus said, whosoever WILL let him/her come. Morality/Faith cannot be legislated, nor does God want it to be. Just a listen to Trump’s non policies with the theme of revenge should be enough to give pause to any student of the Bible, vengeance is mine saith the Lord, I will repay. You sir are doing a great work. God has his hand on you. I join you in your prayers for that pastor
It honestly made me angry.
@@UnashamedCaliforniagirlyes. But not surprised. At least from what I've seen and heard from his supporters.
@@UnashamedCaliforniagirlIt's hard not to get angry isn't it. You're not alone.
Sad indeed. And distressed in my case. If our pastors think that way what are they saying to the congregation? How are they affecting those in the flock?
Thanks for your presentation. Biden is not a communist he is a middle road Liberal. This country was founded as a Liberal society. Freedom of religion, freedom of speech and freedom from government interference.
As an athiest, thank you
Don’t you wish guys like this realized that they have more in common with us than so-called Christians?
I'm not a Christian, but your comments are thoughtful and honest. It is refreshing today to hear this kind of conversation. Anyone that you "make sick" is probably NOT having a honest, thoughtful conversation.
Well said. I feel sad about the lack of discernment and idolatry displayed by that pastor.
Thank you for saying the quiet part OUT LOUD.
IDOLATRY.
Good on you. I'm no longer Christian, but I'm appalled that anyone who calls themselves Christian would accept him as their leader.
I too was a lifelong republican until Trump came along. You know your heart and God knows your heart, that mega pastor will be judged on his! Don't change! We need you
You make good valid points brother. As a Christian; there's so much amiss regarding Donald Trump being a supporter for Christian truth, and values... And I've prayed long and hard before speaking out against his agenda... my conscience is very clear now; when, and on what I speak. Bless you Sir.; for affirming all my suspecsions.♥️✝️👑🕊️🙏
100% agree! Our country has lost sight of so many important things. Praying for all of us! 🙏🏽
The US is a secular country with many different ethnicities and religious beliefs.. including Christianity with all its various denominations.
Thank you Pat for your clear eyed perspective on why you cannot support Mr. trump but also for speaking clearly about what being a Christian entails, the challenge of being in the world and reconciling this to a call to see a greater vision.
as a lifelong atheist, I love your views on being an ambassador. I actually really appreciate such a balanced view
THANK YOU! You’re a true voice of reason and sanity. Mainstream evangelicals have lost their mission.
And their minds!
You are spot-on pastor Pat. As a Christian I cannot understand why they would still back Trump especially after all the bad reports. Thank you for trying to point that out to them graciously.
How do you as a Christian support Joe Biden?
2 Corinthians 5:20 says how JB, DJT and all servants need to be character judged.
@@randalh2347, Really the only thing Christians disagree with President Biden on is abortion.
This is based on the religious belief that the soul bonds with the body at conception and NOT at birth.
Since this belief can NOT in any way be scientifically proven making any law based on such a belief can NOT be justified.
It would be imposing a minority RELIGIOUS belief on the majority and against our Constitution.
The only appropriate course of action is for those religious believers to convince others of their beliefs.
VOLUNTARILY.
¿You want a law?
Provide the scientific proof of your assertion and then base law on FACT, not religious conjecture.
Because, @@randalh2347, Joe Biden is a man of spiritual character.
He also recognizes that the basis for anti-abortion sentiment is the entirely religious belief that the soul/spirit bonds with the body prior to birth.
You can't base laws on unsubstantiated religious beliefs that are not even shared among all denominations, let alone all religions.
Arguably even the Bible says human life begins at first breath upon delivery-NOT conception.
donald trump, on the other hand, is the embodiment of everything Jesus spoke against.
When you make a bargain with the Devil, don't be surprised when the consequences are not remotely what you thought you were bargaining for.
@@randalh2347 😂😂😂
Thank you for this. It was so refreshing to hear. My faith has been taking a beating through this whole debacle and listening to you has given me hope for the church. Maybe I can find my way back to church again - a church that preaches the gospel and not politics❤❤❤
Thank you for speaking out, I am a Christian with a lot of Christian friends. I was a Republican until Trump. Can't vote for him. My friends think I am really wrong and it is very hard being around them. They believe that Kim Clement gave a prophetic word that Trump should be President and that is final. Trump has hurt this country and Christianity so much.
I am an ambassador to this world on behalf of another Kingdom!!! Yes!! Lets focus on spreading His Gospel and seeing Him transform their lives. Not create a theocracy. Pat, thank you!!! ( definitely in your fan club!) 😊
I'm also a member. 🎖
Truly spoken!
We were tested on this with Reagan [who also practiced no discernible faith] and Falwell when they wanted to proclaim a christian nation, rather than a country of freedom to practice.
I remember William Sloan Coffin asking , "So which narrow criteria of which sect will become the dictator of our values and behavior?"
I am regularly stunned at how these folks believe demonstrably false things. It is difficult to not believe that some evil is at work here.
Thank you for your work.
2 Timothy 4:3-4 Christian Standard Bible
3 For the time will come when people will not tolerate sound doctrine, but according to their own desires, will multiply teachers for themselves because they have an itch to hear what they want to hear.
4 They will turn away from hearing the truth and will turn aside to myths.
twas always thus.
Could this blind allegiance to Trump be the "strong delusion" spoken of in the Bible? Could Trump be the Antichrist? I'm really starting to believe it and I don't say that lightly.
You are correct. Consider this: the devil, demons have power to deceive. They don't use logic or reason to do it, they use their power. And some are deceived.
Now this does not mean that I think Biden is a righteous man - frankly I don't know enough about his private character to make a judgement.
I fundamentally disagree with him on abortion, but on most other matters I probably agree with him.
Other than that issue he seems to be a decent man.
I'm sure people could point to significant spiritual failings in me.
But I think, I THINK Biden is a Christian.
I have absolutely no reason to think Trump is. There's no fruit in keeping with repentance that I can discern.
As am I.
Excellent response to a critic. Respectful and thorough. This kind of response is not popular today. But this does demonstrate what you mean by being ambassadors of Christ. Repentance is the only hope for American Christianity.
Thank you for being an ambassador for Christ. 🤗😊 Keep standing up for God’s truth.
If Christ really existed (and cared), he'd openly and unambiguously speak to his followers and clear this mess up.
Oh wow! He actually brought himself to say that after only listening to "a few minutes" of what you had to say instead of hearing you out! Oh boy!!
I am unfortunately not surprised. Trump tells a lot of people what they want to hear. Due to that " flattery" many Christians are no longer even interested in listening to sound doctrine. Also this Pastor who claims that Donald Trump is the more " Christian candidate" is clearly judging Joe Biden as if he were a pastor. What I find ironic is that Joe Biden at least comes across like a compassionate human being who cares about people other than himself ( I am not saying that is what he is really like) I am just saying that He doesn't actually come across as a man who wants to be worshipped.
Donald Trump to me is the Exact opposite of what a Christian should be. And Jesus DEFINITELY didn't promote the idea of " Strength through power". Not by might nor by power but by MY SPIRIT says the Lord. This pastor doesn't understand what he is saying at all.
@@UnashamedCaliforniagirl Understood. Well said.
@@UnashamedCaliforniagirlDonald Trump isn't a Christian. There's no evidence whatsoever that he is. NONE.
I agree. He closed down without truly hearing
Mr. Kahnke, this is the best response I can imagine.
God Bless you sir you are renewing my hope and faith. Thank you.
God Bless you and a HUGE thank you from this Christian woman, that you don't make sick!!, but make hopeful, inspired, and joyous❤... you have restored my faith that there are some Christian pastors who have their eyes wide open to the truth of trump/maga and are willing to proclaim that important truth to other Christians! You are much respected and appreciated!! ➕️🕊
I'm another Christian woman that he doesn't make sick. God bless you Pastor.
Sir I applaud you. I'm from the deep south where I'll bet this pastor you are referring to is from. I'm not a Christian, but I have always viewed Christ's message as a good one for the most part. I often think of when Christ spoke of the day of judgement in I believe it was Matthew when God separates the sheep from the goats. He goes down the line: you clothed me when I was cold, you visited me while I was imprisoned, so on and so forth. The line that sticks with me is for what you have done unto the least of my brethren you have done unto me. Even as a non-believer I think it would do all of us good to remember that.
That verse spoke to me even at the age of six. I remember so vividly how I felt. Thank you for reminding of Christ’s mission.
Amen!
Well said!❤
I praise God for you Pastor Pat Kahnke. I prayed to God for sanity. He sent me you!!!
The role of Christians in the world was defined by Christ Himself: "A new commandment I give unto you, That ye love one another; as I have loved you, that ye also love one another." John 13:34
Pat, l truly appreciate your insights towards this topic. Although I’m an American born in New York, I live aboard. However, I am very concerned with the possible deterioration of our democracy. Your videos give me hope that our country and its democracy may prevail and survive these times. We need to continue to pray, and have faith . Thank you for your efforts.
Exactly!
Strength through power? That is not what Jesus preached.
That's what I thought too.. all the verses @ being meek etcetera.
"Bring us Barabas" - MAGA Christians, probably. :/
Sure He did. He also said that "I have not come to bring peace but a sword". He also said some mean things to people, calling them a "brood of vipers" and "sons of hell". And He also took a whip to others and drove them out from where they should have never been allowed. I'm not sure what Bible you're reading, but it ain't my NKJV !
@@markanthony3275 Please note that the Gospel of John is very specific that Jesus used the whip on sheep and cattle. He was careful that no property was damaged - thwapping sheep and cows with a rope won't damage them; coins can be picked up; and he took care that the fragile doves were carried out. Hardly a picture of an enraged man flailing about violently and hurting people, as he wasn't even hurting animals.
Jesus was extraordinarily powerful, but not in a worldly way.
@@aaronfleming9426 Does it say that in John? No it doesn't...why would Jesus whip sheep and cattle when they did not choose to be there? He whipped the people who brought them there! And no, it wasn't a sustainably made rope that He used either.
Ben, I like so many appreciate your work. Your views of the English countryside, your exploration of architecture and music, are things that I look forward to weekly. Here is a little bit to add to the drone fund (and more). You are appreciated!
I think you are AWESOME! Keep speaking the TRUTH. As a Christ Follower- I am RELIEVED to hear your voice & views. Many thanks. Keep it up. God is with you. ❤
Keep going, preacher. You're doing a service to sanity
Very cool of you to keep him anonymous AND remove the comment so folks can't track him down.
Yes, that is the loving, truly Christian thing to do. Love and protect even those who disagree with you. That is one way that I know Biden is the right choice for America. He is a president for all, even the ones who hate him.
@@jadeh2699 Which I need to learn to do, apparently. Thank you, God, for calling me out.
The irony is the pastor will probably rant and rave to his congregation about he's being silenced, and his freedoms are being taken away by the evil Libs!
@@jadeh2699 You are correct. but i am sue if the shoe was on the other foot, he would definitely not do the Christian thing. He would probably show not just your name but your address. And that sums up the whole argument
I am a Christian. Thank you so very much for saying Donald Trump explicity uses Christians. I agree. Trump is not using me. Finding a way toward reconciliation as ambassadors on behalf of God's Kingdom makes total sense.
Thank you for your thoughtful, careful explanations. Very encouraging, and very helpful. You are providing a template of how to biblically think through what is going on.
Oh my goodness, I'm so glad to have found your channel. Sometimes, I feel I'm a rogue Christian since the former president came to be. It has me questioning so much. So, thank you so much for sharing your thoughts. There's hope!
It's been extremely vexing for millions of us.
I am also a retired pastor. However, unlike you, I haven't voted for a Republican candidate for any state or federal office since 1972. (Yes, I voted for Nixon, because of his promise to end the Vietnam war. His other unlawful actions directed my future voting.) I appreciate your angle of using 'ambassador' to straighten us all out as to how we are to handle our political divide, and I would like to think that I am not taking sides, even when I do!! This is our largest difficulty in dealing with each other, by seeking to be 'right,' or 'true,' we demean, demonize and destroy the 'other.' Whether the 'other' is MAGA or trans, rich or poor, immigrant or native, we do a disservice to God in not honoring the 'Imago Dei' in them!
Thank you! Subscribed!
It’s so welcome to find a conservative Christian that doesn’t buy the lies, corruption, and chaos that follows Trump. You give me much needed hope.
I was also a Conservative Christian Republican until Donald Trump. He claims to be a Christian, but can’t or won’t treat others with kindness.
Old fashioned TRUTH right here. You ARE NOT ALONE!
As an atheist myself, if there is such a thing as a decent Christian, then you sir are one.
You sir did a masterful job of depicting our responsibilities as Christians.
As a Christian, you don't need a man to "fight" for you. You are free to find your way within your faith. No one stands in opposition to your personal relationship with God, no one but you, yourself.
If that Pastor was leading my church I would have left. It is so disturbing to see Trump causing so much division and disharmony. I have dear friends that I am having a hard time being around lately because we are on opposite sides. There is always this heavy thing in the air. Getting harder and harder to shake.
I agree that it is difficult to watch as family and friends head into the fire. However, remember that God is in charge and the Bible says good will always win over evil. Perhaps we needed this trump wakeup call before people wandered too far away from God. I don't know the reason; I just trust that God has this.
@@jadeh2699thank you for the reminder
Separating the sheep from the goats
@@jadeh2699 It shows me a hopeful sign that humanity is moving forward by exposing the darkness.
This is a cleansing fire.
@@Rae6357how dear are those friends really if they are Trumpers? What does that say about who they are and what they stand for? I can't be around people like that who back a man who is evil.
The "ambassador" analogy is spot on. The ending, where you say "I shouldn't have to tell Christians that," is admirably mild compared to what you could have said: "I shouldn't have to tell a Christian pastor that." Thank you for the gentle strength and clarity of your understanding.
Rev. Kahnke, thank you for this reasoned response to the American gospel
according to those who “follow” Donald Trump.
Remember this is not a binary decision we face as followers of the Good Shepherd!
We don’t have to choose between “the lesser of two evils” in a political contest.
We can choose to stand by and not vote at all.
We can “Trust in the Lord with all your hearts and lean not on our own understanding. In all your ways, submit to Him, and He will make straight your path.”PROV 3:5-6
We can also trust that, “God changes the times and the seasons; He removes kings and sets up kings. . . “ DAN 2:21
If we believe scripture, we can choose to wait and see what God will do, recognizing that He sometimes sets up leaders to rebuke and cause repentance in His people.
I am someone who considers it a great privilege to live in a democracy, but, for the first time in my adult life, did not vote for President at all in 2020.
That is a choice you should highlight.
Thank you so much for not only sharing your perspective, but doing so in a respectful and thoughtful manner. As a Christian I have been dumbfounded by the words I hear come out of my fellow Christian’s mouths. The anger and hate that some have is very unhealthy and alarming. I am so grateful to you for sharing this video. You give me hope that I am not so alone. God Bless
Thank you for being a true Christian…😊
I’m an atheist and I’m on this guy’s side, and yours.
You don’t have to be a Christian to hold these values. Christians, true or otherwise, don’t have a monopoly on moral beliefs and behavior.
Pastor Pat. I come from a Republican background but I really never was a strong political person.
But back when Obama was president I started seeing a lot of lies coming from the Republican side that turned me around. But the lies became many and frequent after that. I feel the Democratic agenda fits me better and I don’t have to accept lies. I like better they better support the poor. I feel like immigrants are our brothers and sisters and god would rather we help them rather than turn them away! That said, I love how you recommend we see the world not as mortal but as Christians. Another online pastor I watch a lot on CZcams preaches the same message. He is Rev Ed Travors from Canada. You both seem on the same wavelength and I love you both!
Love for Rev Ed.
I'm really encouraged to see so many Christians here who are not, essentially, worshipping Trump.
I appreciate Pastors/men and women of God who aren't afraid to speak truth, and put it in a perspective thats biblical. As a Christian, I say thank you! 🙏
I don’t understand the Christian view on border protection. It seems antithetical to the story of the Good Samaritan.
Hear hear
The Jewish Scriptures (what Christians call the OT) mention loving and caring for the stranger, the resident alien, about 30-40 times. And this: What if Egypt had "closed borders" when Jesus' family wanted to flee there?
I actually couldn't agree more
The "closed border" approach is not THE Christian point of view. Many Christians--presumably not the MAGA "Christians"--are appalled at Trump's racist, xenophobic, heartless, punitive, vindictive, cruel approach to border issues. I suppose many extreme-right "Christians" forget, ignore, or don't know how many times the Bible says to WELCOME THE STRANGER. Such "Christians", IMO, have confused Christianity with White Supremacy. These "Christians", descendants of European immigrants, who by and large didn't have the Native Americans' permission to come here, now want to slam the door of immigration behind them.
Was the person the good Samaritan helped , a robber? Was he a drug dealer? Was he a child trafficker.Was he a spy for a foreign country? No...he was the victim of such. And this is the crucial mistake well meaning Christians are making...these are NOT nice people you are letting flood into your country! Are you happy that there are so many people in Detroit , Chicago, Minneapolis and other cities chanting "death to America" in broad daylight ? Well...guess how many of them got into your country? They came across the border illegally. You say you don't understand border protection as a Christian...do you lock your car at the mall? Do you lock your front door at night? Well if you do, then don't say you don't understand border protection!
I really really appreciate your messages. I hope I can share them and spread your words in the terrible time of need. I was a Christian republican til trump too. Heaven help us from him.
I’m an Athiest but I was raised knowing both my Christian and Jewish parents’ faiths. Thank you, God bless you and Shalom.
Amen brother....the greatest of these is love. Just came across your channel and I can't thank you enough.
Dear Pat, I admire the way you express in Peace, Calmness and Clarity, that a choice for Trump is disastrous for America and even the world. That poor Pastor who after a few minutes listening to you, got sick of you, means for me that he could not deal with the very Truth you are telling the Christian Community. He must have realized being a wrongly mentally "Conditioned Reflex", and tries to blame you for that. You held up a mirror to him and he saw an image that startled him. Please go on Dear Pat....Your stories are Eye-Openers, the Cristian Community needs in their Awakening....
I don't trust anything Pat says...because the fact is that the world never was a peaceful as when Trump ran America, and was never so war torn as when Trump wasn't running America. So Trump was good for the world , not evil...Joe Biden is evil. Pat's problem is that he listens to left wingers like Tim Alberta and believes all the lies about Trump that comes from them. I point out that left wing ideology is demonic and diametrically opposed to the gospel of Jesus Christ.Pat goes after Trump because Trump is so mean to those "poor immigrants", yet Pat locks his door every night, so why can't America lock it's doors? For the record, I'm a faithful believer of Jesus Christ from Canada, so I have no skin in the game in America...except to warn against naive people like Pat. He will not tell anyone to vote for Trump...at the same time he refuses to talk about all the evil Biden has done....like the inappropriate showers he was taking with his daughter as revealed in the diary she left behind on a summer holiday . How come no outrage against that Mr. Kahnke? Hypocrite!