FYRE Festival: What REALLY Happened
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- čas přidán 29. 01. 2019
- Netflix’s Fyre: The Greatest Party That Never Happened brings to light other players involved in the failure of the “biggest event of the decade,” the Fyre Festival-besides Billy McFarland and Ja Rule.
Marc Weinstein was one of the Fyre Festival contractors who realized they were being conned just like the guests. The attention is now on Marc Weinstein after the documentaries revealed the plight of the staff charged with organizing the festival.
An exclusive conversation and behind the scenes stories at the infamous unraveling of the Fyre music festival with Marc Weinstein.
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Honestly, this really is one of the best interviews I’ve listened to. Dude is a naturally great speaker. Ya’ll let the man speak and kept interruptions to an absolute minimum. But you knew how to keep the conversation going organically. Such a lost art. Glad to see some still got it.
Ja Rule: "That's not fraud. That's not Fraud. I'd call that ehhh, I'd call that false advertising"
THAT'S FRAUD!
Phil Ingrouille You heard him, it's not fraud!
That guy is so damn dumb.
His real name is Jeffrey Bruce Atkins. No wonder he made up a tougher sounding moniker for his rap career.
Ja rule is a sociopath
@@chad3232132 Ja rule? Tougher sounding noun? LOL
This is one of the best interviews I have seen in years: The subject is informative, eloquent, personable and Frank; the hosts are on-topic, unobtrusive, and led the conversation in a logical but unmanipulative fashion.
Really great work. #NewSub
totally agree ^^^
Yes, good comment; I wasn’t very interested in the subject, so the combo of the good speaker and then skilled, unobtrusive interviewers kept me hooked. Almost any subject is interesting, when it’s explained by someone who really understands the subject and loves it.
This whole Fyre festival thing was really eye opening for me. I never really understood the workings of influencers and payment etc. After watching the Netflix doc I deleted my Instagram app. The first few days I felt like I was missing out but now I don't care. It's good to not feel like you're being sold to all the time. I stopped using Facebook in 2012 and never looked back. My only vices I suppose are CZcams, which I'm trying to to cut back on and Twitter.
Very true, influencers are just paid props. It can be very dangerous.
Question, if you consider CZcams a vice, that should mean TV, Netflix, or media in general would be a vice as well right?
Disclosure:
Ive never had a Facebook, to similar to MySpace which grew tiresome. Instagram and Snapchat I use but that's only with friends. I'm constantly on CZcams though. Being able to just think of some topic and searching is why I don't watch much TV, or Netflix anymore.
I would also ask this... If your first concern is influencers and how easily you believe they can influence people, or yourself, to buy shit, why couldn't you just ignore them.
I see the underlying problem with Instagram models though. They essentially fake their lives, gain followers because they know how to manipulate people's minds, then sell the shit out of "sponsors" merch or services. It's everywhere in media, even print. But you can't lock yourself entirely out of the world. Except Facebook. Fuck them.
Never had a Twitter either that place is just a cesspool of hypocritical bullshit. It's funny yet sad to see that Twitter will most likely be the cause of the next actual Civil War in America.
twitter and misinformation
Stopped FB over 10 years ago. Instagram last checked in Feb - not really a social media person. Just CZcams. I dont have impulse needs to check my phone ever since I gave up FB.
I just watched the documentary and heard of this Fyre Festival for the first time and I’m in my early 30s and know all the big fests. Looks like my avoiding social media is paying off!
Influencer is the replacement for the dishonest television that we had in the 90s
His voice seems so much deeper here than in the Netflix documentary...
Podcasts always have deeper bass in their mics i've noticed
its the microphone
Probably just the mic :)
When mixed we boost vocals with good compression and eq. That mic is the Tlm 103 Neumann. One the best mics in the world, note they have 3! (Not cheap). In the Netflix doc, the accoustics where very different from now them being in a studio. Just thought I'd share the info. The more you know buddy.
@@AudioBotnik We... 🙄
Any Europeans, especially Germans, would not only know and say why it wasn't going to work, but also they would accept it when told. American culture holds that optimism, with a bit of cheating and lying, crushes all obstacles. This event testted that idea to destruction.
That's because Germans don't possess humor, hehe
Shout out to the local workers who suffered and Mary Ann and her workers.!
Fuck no.
Never do work upfront for some no name company thats blowing through town.
@@richardvargus7443 as Mary Ann said, the money was constantly being promised and they were all being told that there were 5 years of the event planned so if you did well then you had this income guaranteed for at least 5 years every year. Also McFarland was sending people fake wire transfer confirmations when telling them that the money was on the way.
@@richardvargus7443 crazy how he was flying around on private jets and driving Maseratis but racked up hundreds of thousands of dollars on his employees credit cards.
Fuck Billy.
"It's a superhuman battle to not follow these instagrammers" I do just fine only looking at cat photos, I'm sorry the rest of you are so unsatisfied with your lives :P
I follow shit
I follow cooking, art and scrapbooking.
Any more, I just watch "the dodo." How prophetic.
Cat videos RULE!!
I never understood the addiction either. Never created a Facebook or Instagram account. For everyone I know, all these social media platforms do is cause them a lot of unnecessary stress. Not sure why people feel the need to share every second of their life with the whole world.
really good interview. .. basically when a show let's the guest talk it's good!
Great interview.
As a fellow promoter myself, I can tell you when things fall apart on the day of the event it can be financial ruin for you.
Kept a party 2 years ago and im still suffering financially from it as well as Ive lost a friend that ive had since high school, 10 years.
You work at Macdonalds.
Yeah go "promote" a real job.
That sucks bro. Can I hear the story for my own curiosity
As someone who has produced grand scale rock festivals the Fyre Festival documentary was one of the funniest things I've ever seen. It's like the 'team' did a drawing of an aeroplane. Then tried to fly the drawing.
And the advertising produced for the event was gag-inducing. And just as deluded. Anyone who wanted to buy into what 'Billy' was selling... were idiots.
In your pro opinion ,any ways to have made it work?
Awesome interview!!! New sub here. Keep it up brother!
Really great interview, being in the events industry myself it was great to hear the story from an event professional.
La di da
He is so well spoken 💜 I really wish him the best
I loved both these documentaries! Netflix and Hulu each had their own way of telling this fascinating story. Watched each of them twice my last days off when I discovered them and still find myself intrigued!
Mofo Jackson Same. I watched both of them three times. I do prefer the Netflix one because of the production value and the video footage of Billy’s ticket scam.
Shamey Ames They’re credit as producers because they owned some of the footage, but that’s it. And they weren’t paid in full by Billy. They didn’t really scam anyone, they just did their jobs. They were the advertising agency who was hired. That’s it. They weren’t the masterminds behind it. Doesn’t take away from the fact that the Netflix doc was good. Also, the Hulu doc paid Billy which is even worse I think.
re: "making money off people's suffering"
As far as I can gather, the people that suffered the most are the people who actually did the work without getting paid, or who wound up with massive debts as a result of their involvement.
If they manage to get some of their money back (or even profit) from selling their footage, or being interviewed or whatever, then I think that's fair enough. Really though - the money should go to the islanders first.
As to the "holiday-makers". Little sympathy there I'm afraid.
@@crimson8359 I told people the Netflix one has a little bit more 'catch' to it and seems a touch more entertaining,so I would recommend that first.
But once you have the gist of it the Hulu gives little more depth and background etc. :)
Mofo Jackson Absolutely. The Hulu one is good in the sense that it shows the pattern of Billy’s scamming better and that it is more critical of FuckJerry’s involvement and has Billy there for an interview. Both are great.
Excellent interview. Adds to the documentary. Thanks guys!
how does this has not shit loads of thumbs up ? ?
Awesome information Mark ! thank you , (ofc i came here after seeing the Docu)
Excellent comentary....Thank you for your insight.
Event production is the most nerve racking job on the planet IMO. You gotta have a passion for it it or its just not worth it, since God knows the pay sure does not inspire you. Worked 3 warped tours and i would never do it again. These people get absolutely no recognition typically and work insane hours to make other people happy. It's a thankless job, Marc and most of the staff of Frye one were fucked from the onset, and their warnings fell of deaf ears. Its really a shame for all those caught up in the mess by no fault of their own.
Some people go to the Bahamas for the joy of practicing self reliance by spear fishing and being in nature.
No one like that went to Fyre.
That's why there are massive hotels there? Lmfao.
@@eastbayej, I'm not sure I understand your point. In case you don't know, hotels and fishing in the Bahamas aren't mutually exclusive. Indeed, tourists visit the Bahamas for the great diving and fishing. Hotel concierge help guests find charter boats and guides, most kitchens will prepare their catch for dinner.
Most of them went to spear the supermodels, rather than fish.
Wow, thanks Mind Pump for platforming this!!!
On the 58Min mark he touches upon the "unhealthy relationship (read dillusional) we have with social media" ... Social DeEngineering at it's Finest.
Great interview 🔥love hearing about the details of this disaster
Great interview!
Fascinating interview, thank you Marc!
the event in Atlanta that was rained out was Tomorrowworld! I was there as a vendor. good times 😄 once in a lifetime experience..
For a friendly observer, got any good stories from that day?
They don’t start talking about fyre until 19:00 minutes in you’re welcome because I won’t get those 20 minutes back
Is Marc from Michigan? We had a 90s fest here, and he mentions Michigan throughout.
You guys need to put those go fund me links in the description
Listened to all of this after watching some podcast interviews with Craig Ferguson who had some stunning views on the problems with social media and referred to the Fyre docos. Thought this guy sounded truly honest, informed and had learnt much from the debacle. In the dying moments however he relates that he is now dabbling with bit coin and krypto currency and envisions this somehow as the next great leap forward. At this point I despaired for him and his and others common sense, especially in the light of the current financial crisis emanating from corona virus. Wonder how that's panning out for him now.
So we’re all just going to overlook his shady Gf? Want the money? Go to her, I guarantee she knows where it is
What became of Billy's girlfriend and investor, Corolla?
Carola wasn't his girlfriend, she was a VC investor who gave him the initial investments to put on the festival.
@@bigtakeshi Yeah, an "influencer". lol
I know these guys who are in the music festival business probably have the time of their lives during festival but the amount of work and and networking they do sounds exhausting.. they need a bit of luck too just so that everything falls in place seemlessly..lot more than i ever thought..
I used to work in events. The biggest event I did was the Red Bull Soap Box derby in Atlanta in the summer. It took a team of 3 of us working around the clock for about 12 months. Why this guy thought it was even possible to pull this off makes me question what kind of experience he has.
To be fair l, there was only 3 of y’all 😅
@@Charsi_Escobar Yea, for the first 12 months. We had over 100 people working the event the week leading up to it.
TV show American Greed brought me here. I had never heard of fyre festival. I felt terrible for workers that didn't get paid until a year later, if ever.
“If it’s free, we’re the product.”
......CZcams is free
@@D23178 so we’re the product
@@D23178 advertisements, promotions, sponsors, collaborations. Every video you’ve ever watched has tried to sell you something.
I organized a lot of partys ("both" kinds: Techno and Metal) after high school and in university. The biggest party had like 800 paying guests and the rent for the place was 5,000€ plus a guaranteed drink consumption of another 5000€ (which is no problem in case a location gets filled) and around 5000€ for DJs and security at an 14€ entrance fee. It went well, but i can assure you that unless the 720th guest entered and i broke even, i was at the verge of a mental breakdown. It took less than two hours to break even, but these two hours, man... That was last time i made such a "big" event. In case it fails you potentially loose like 10,000€ but in case it goes well you barely make more than 2000 or 3000. Learning about this Fyre issue, i would love to hear, what this "entrepreneur" was thinking, how he could handle such a bunch spoiled rich kids. Believe me, being the person everbody wants to talk to about some free beers for another DJ and shit is already a nightmare for partys at a small scale. But this? Seriously?
The Netflix Fyre Fest documentary was a great documentary, except for the Andy King part where he is talking about giving someone a b.......... That was sickening, and for this reason I won't show it to others, and I when I watch it, I fast forward on that part. Why it was included in the show is beyond me. I don't know anyone who would care to see and hear that! As for the rest of the show it was good. Marc Weinstein was by far the most honest, and entertaining to watch. He told it like it is, and was!
I'm curious how the music industry (or any industry) is going to come back after COVID, because it won't all get better at the same time. It might get better in the US but not overseas. The market has changed forever and the idea of live concerts might not be lucrative at all because people won't be able to go to concerts! How does a venue scale a "successful" profit if they are required to only allow 50% capacity?
Even if we were able to come back fully, the question of IF people would be willing/able to attend live events is still an issue? I don't think they will be at the same they were in 2019 for a while, if at all.
55:00 Not to mention few people bought the 12k ticket; most bought tickets from $500-$1200. No one bought the $250k ticket.
29:51 should of been right there they said no we can’t do this lol
This story is CRAZY, I can't believe he actually lived this ordeal.
Waiting 4 the badass girl/guy who will edit this clip with the REAL Fyre Festival.
It's hard to cultivate respect for those whose sole employ is to make money. Money for money's sake looks good for way too many young people these days. The world needs more scientists, engineers, and real artists and not these shallow hipster capitalists.
These weren't capitalist. They were scammers. A capitalist builds something first then takes the profits. As I watched the documentary, I noticed they were already sending money on parties at the beach. I think I only saw that guy Billy once without a beer in his hand. Yeah that is like call the Nigerian prince that has 500,000 for you if you pay him 10,000 first, a capitalist.
Meant spending not sending. Fucking auto correct.
@@catfan5756 You mean " ducking" auto correct, right?
@@allisonrogers1409 lol. Yes. Too funny.
This is fascinating.
So glad I hate social media.
I don't think Billy Mc Farland was as sophisticated as you think he is
The merch is being aucitoned now on TXAUCTION
50 is somewhere celebrating...
😂😂😂
Damn...I love these boys.
Regarding the models: They were REQUIRED the say there post was an Ad. They didn't.
julie doll As far as I can tell they weren’t really required to say that it was an ad. People weren’t really using social media influencers openly for marketing. I think after this situation influencers had to disclose if something was an ad or not
@@ThePrettiestPages It’s ridiculous and pathetic that “influencer” is a thing.
I was in finance, then I became an event promoter, then I owned a bagel shop and became a journalist. I'm currently in law school.
"I don't forget a face"
Ha... hard to forget THAT face.
Gorgeous. 😎👍❤
lol, totally agree
Jezabelles..all of ya!
Was intriguing to here more about this,I preferred the Netflix doc to the hulu doc.....which documentary did you guys prefer?
Green Army ... the Netflix ... although this interview good ...
Have only seen the Netflix one but am dubious of the Hulu doco considering that they PAID Billy McFarland to feature in it.
@@Mellyouttaphase they grill the shit out of him during his interview, so that was nice
Festivals are extremely hard to make money at if you have mainstream, big acts just ask the guy from Apple (can't remember his name) he tried it twice in the 80's with the US Festivals.
That'd be Steve Woziak with his US festival I reckon.
WOZNIAK ffs!
90s fest honestly sounds more fun to me than the concept of fyre. -shrug-
The higher the level of management involvement, the more I see a case of scammers getting scammed. If the emphasis had been put on the music and accommodations/logistics first, instead of the marketing and "backing", it might have worked out. But no one cared about the product or the customers, including Marc Weinstein. So instead of dollar signs, he has a lot of interviews, where he can blame someone else for his lack of diligence.
35:13 Gee sad story. Did you think about helping that woman financially? Weren't you her boss?
did i hear "navy seal"??... this sounds like a job for don shipley! LoL :P
If there was a real SEAL there he would have just walked away and watched the slow motion train wreck wile laughing his ass off.
@@danielmcgillis270 technically they were stuck on an island, so no walking away that easily.
Tomorrow world was the rainy one in ATL
Great freaking podcast
reputation damage control, well played sir, well played.
Yeah all events are a mess leading up to it but...no infrastructure, plumbing, or basic fundamental understanding of how to run a festival were too many red flags for anyone who has had ANY experience in event planning and execution.
I think the problem was that people, both attending and making the event, were so obsessed with being a part of the FIRST FYRE FESTIVAL. Being the first to experience and be apart of this revolutionary event and concept. Why not just wait it out for the following year to see how these things would actually play out? If something seems too good to be true, it probably is.
What really happened is a bunch of rich dorks who get no play unless they pay got duped by social media posts & thought they were gonna be swimming with supermodels & pigs.
Nice interview - that mark guy seems like an alright dude. Those f*ckjerry guys are pretty horrible people though. They basically have been stealing comedians' content and passing it off as their own for years somehow.
They should sue...and not one of those guys is funny in his or hers own right I bet.
Dude, i feel so sad when i see products such as fyre festival got demolished like that I swear if it was me I would work my promises and not lie
A lot of times, they get to that spot by lying 🤷🏻♂️
Woodstock was a completely different story than the mess they produced with fyre by theyr arrogance!
all the talk about the negative effects of social media makes me glad that I have an almost non-existent footprint online. No interst in FB, Instagram or anything other than YT....1st world problems aren't for people who want to actually want to live their life for real(z). Why would I want to share things about myself with anyone but my immediate fam?? so many insecure people out there who are desperate to convince the world they're what??..Happy? Popular? Wealthy? Not interested in other people's happiness, popularity or wealth, only my own.
Music midtown is the Atlanta show maybe?
This guy is easy on the eyes
indeed, otherwise I wouldn't have sat watching this for over an hour 😁
Fyre Fest at least we're not Woodstock 99
woodstock 99 was fun, burning shit and fucking shit up
Punk
That shit looked insane, wonder if there’s any good docs out on it yet
Just like Altamont I demanded my money back!
wow!!!!
world's heaven !!!!!!
I'd say that Altamont had a lot more go wrong with it than Woodstock...
18:30 The event was Tomorrowworld!! I was there... Way more people than 30K! I think it was the 3rd largest EDM festival in the USA. I was camping so I didn't get stuck hahah It was a complete shit show from start to finish, I was not surprised at all when I heard SFX was going bankrupt before, during and after the festival. It was really a great festival though, One of my favorite festivals ever! I do agree with Mark, almost every festival is somewhat of a shitshow! I doubt there's ever been one that has gone off without a hitch. Usually there's a lot of problem solving and decision making on the go.
rip and tear
I believe it will be revealed at some point that Billy was undiagnosed bipolar. Fyre Festival had the look of a serious manic episode, and yes there were criminal acts.
Bipolar manic is the same as someone with an impulsive personality what's the difference.
Amateur/armchair psychology is worthless. McFarland did what he did (Fyre and earlier). End of story.
Or a crack cocaine addiction
$1.6BB in AUM is nowhere NEAR the “largest VC fund in the country.” As a matter of fact, that’s pathetic!
Maybe not a happy ending, because it took so long but a less sad one!
just listening to this is giving me anxiety
That doesn’t sound normal, you ok now?
@@Charsi_Escobar better, thank you for worrying.
Isn’t this guy on Game of Thrones? :)
lol dario isit?
Ja-Rule may have a lot of money but I don't think he has THAT much money. I could be wrong, but I'm skeptical
I bet Ja Rule has largely gone through most of his money. The vast majority of rappers grossly inflate how much they're worth and are often dysfunctional with money. Ja also hasn't had a major album success in 16 years and hasn't toured at big venues in over a decade.
I'd be very surprised if Ja had more than a couple of million left tbh.
@@Jimbo8012 Well, he’s got a TV show, so there’s that.
@@TIO540S1 so does Yung Joc and he was driving Uber 💀
so artists are definitely overpaid, 10% margin ??????????
Everyone in any form of entertainment industry is overpaid.
Artists never have an hourly income. Theyre paid exclusively, in regards to festivals, a lump sum that the festival agrees to in exchange for them bringing their own equipment, band and of course the main act. If the festival is free to haggle, and both sides are free to end negotiations if they arent getting what they want.
In essence, the artist is paid what both sides think theyre worth. And its hard to make money off something where youre only selling tickets and merch, most of the time.
So many feeling about all of this . Marc is part of the problem. Artists, talent. The people you promote are neither of those things .You know it too.
LOL! The same one of the same instagram model's responsible for creating the buzz around the "fyre" festival and how great it was going to be, is now being used a thumbnail on a video explaining how awful it was...
(don't get me wrong, this is a great video/interview! just pointing out the irony)
everything about the event WAS A RIP OFF you can not tell people it was the right way to do things, one thing is everyone has their hands out for money, people don't do a promotion, production or rentals or the entertainers or staff and site without wanting big money and you have to kiss their ass to get it done right , unless your a crook then you make money and hang people out to dry and you don't start out out with models and partying that is a joke and you can't promote for the first 6 months unless you have everything set up and in writing. in 5 years if you break even, people will say it was a great thing,now lets talk about the weather that plays a big part,in today time crooks get away with everything even a slap on the hand,
18:27 Think he's talking about TomorrowWorld 2015
What happened there?
So like no one noticed there was a hotel, no residential building, at all on the island.... and no one thought that was odd? Like there was nothing on that island - a few shacks, restaurant village resources, that's it. How did they think thousands of people were going to survive?
Like they uh like are like sociopaths. They like wanted to like steal dumb millennials' parents money pure and like simple.
@@thomasmills339 No, im talking about the people who stood up and said "um, yeah, this isnt going to work" sounds like only a few did that, the rest were loyal sheep.
Yes, in the Hulu doco, he was interviewed: he checked it out via google earth and tried to blow the whistle. He even got The Wall Street Journal to cover it but people just wanted to be conned.
Ja Rule is worth $8m.... he could easy support the go fund me for the locals
Jessica Tyrrell your net worth does directly correlate with how much your income is. The 8 million takes assets into account like if he own art that will increase in value and land. That being said ja rule definitely played about of fyre failings and should’ve gave the locals their deserved money.
Imara Walker at least he should have been held responsible as well, he was IN it, right now he makes it looks like he was the victim, plus he still cant say it’s a scam, due to him, and ALL those models/influencers people were scammed. People belief put their trusts in those people, all those influencers /models care about is getting money. Did Kardashian pay her 250k back? No she just apologized, and that was it... seriously ?. people, continued to support these models. Apparently they cant even ‘investigate properly’ to make sure their fans, won’t be scammed. I don’t get that they should have been cancelled so fast. But no they continue to social scam
All these people saying they knew pretty early on it wasn't going to work, nor were they being paid. If that were true and they weren't really in the car with Billy, why wouldn't you wash your hands clean of it when you had the chance? 💰💰 I feel for the locals and others that put their own money into it and lost all of it.
The locals, yes. Those who put their money into it, no. Anyone doing the slightest due diligence should have known to stay far away from that s***t show. Just look at McFarland’s history. Look at the time frame. It makes me wonder how they managed to put together the kind of money it takes to invest in such an event. Including Marc.
@@TIO540S1 I mean locals and other good-faith companies hired that floated the bills for these clowns🤡
@@nikkiparis5399 Yes, I agree there, especially the locals. When I’m referring to those for whom I have no sympathy, I’m talking about the investors.
Or watch one of two documentaries that go way more in-depth then this video
1:08:25, this guy saying it is almost super human to resist social media. wtf? i dont facebook or twitter or instagram. its not super human for an average person to avoid social media. BUT if you are a superficial fake ass person, then yes, you feed of social media energy
Correction: that was no Pablo Escobar island.... It was Carlos Lehder. Get your facts better researched
Haha wow, this just goes to show how easily people buy into ANYTHING these days. Wtf did our world become?
Pablos Escobar used it but never owned it.
Ja Rule was no where to be found at the end of that Nexflix documentary.
Because it’s NOT HIS FAULT
🤪
Sounds like he is trying to sell himself while blaming big companies
"Salt and Peppa headlined". Wow that sounds fucking lame as fuck. But cool on you bro.
💀💀💀💀💀
What freaking mess
Hey! It's the hot guy! 😍
Dude Billy has a true snake tongue. He could sell a dictionary to a blind man
He selling more yard time to inmates for cartons of cigarettes and commissary 😂😂😂