Are Mormons and Catholics Christians? - Tim Conway
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Tim is asked a question on whether or not a person who claims to be now born-again, is able to stay in the Mormon church he was part of or not.
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As a Former Mormon who sometimes hankers for the LDs Church; I needed to hear this.
your always so true, i love that u put everything into perspective.
@Anios890 Hey no worries and thanks for the response. I didn't make any reference to the Bible being a Catholic book just to the ignorance of people commenting on Catholicism but in response to your points;
1. I would say that this is pretty obviously referring to the condition of their hearts and their hypocrisy. They were trying to use clothes to demonstrate their holiness but God looks at their hearts.
2. Jesus was establishing an order of priority here and wanted to keep the focus on
Among the ancient Hebrews, the seven names for the Deity over which the scribes had to exercise particular care were:
1. Eloah
2. Elohim
3. Adonai
4. Ehyeh-Asher-Ehyeh
5. YHWH
6. Shaddai
7. Tzevaoth
In Arabic, Allah = Eloah: same Unique God, only the pronunciation of the name changes with the language, not God Himself.
It's like John(EN)=Jean(FR)=Yahya(AR); Jesus(EN)=Îsâ(AR); Joseph(EN)=Yusuf(AR&HE); Abraham(EN)=Ibrahim(AR)=Avraham(HE); Matthew(EN)=Matthieu(FR);...
@MrBronbron "For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lust shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears;" 2 Timothy 4:3. For faith: James 1:5-8 Romans 11:5-6 Ephesians 2:7-9 and Hebrews 11 but then again, I'm not sure faith alone is enough because Hebrews 12:4-8 and Ephesians 2:10. I'm glad the nuns you know read the Bible. It gives me hope that not all Catholics are lost.
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Alma 5:49 And now I say unto you that this is the order after which I am called, yea, to preach unto my beloved brethren, yea, and every one that dwelleth in the land; yea, to preach unto all, both old and young, both bond and free; yea, I say unto you the aged, and also the middle aged, and the rising generation; yea, to cry unto them that they must repent and be *born again*.
@Anios890 Thanks for your response.
Again you have responded to points I have made by bringing up OTHER issues of doctrine that I wasn't even talking about.
The pride warning is important although I wasn't aware that I was being proud. I'm sorry if it came across that way, but I honestly doubt whether accusing people of pride when they disagree with you and bother to respond to your comments enables honest and open dialogue on these issues.
If you are trying to save me from the Catholic
Recently, Pope Benedict XVI, gave a general address, The Doctrine of Justification: from Works to Faith. This document serves as a great source for Catholic Teaching regarding Faith and Works. You can find it at
.vatican.va/holy_father/benedict_xvi/audiences/2008/documents/hf_ben-xvi_aud_20081119_en.html
@LDS4Life71 Well, in MY Bible (maybe it's different in others, I'll give you that since I don't have any other versions on hand right now), it say that the people were "judged by WHAT THEY HAD DONE." However, couldn't that mean whether or not they had accepted Christ as their savior and asked for their sins to be forgiven? THOSE are "things they had done." Also, we ARE supposed to act like Christians and try to follow Christ's example, that's true, but that's not what actually SAVES us. -Katie
@TheCatholicWay Canon 24. If anyone says that the justice (righteousness) received is not preserved and also not increased before God through good works but that those works are merely the fruits and signs of justification obtained, but not the cause of the increase, let him be anathema.
@KakkoiGuy1 My friend , I think we are saying the same thing! .The canon you quoted from Trent say just what JamesJas 2:14-16 sayes , and which you confirmed work's are just the expression of real faith (that is what the Church teaches )
Dear brothers, what about this: "What then? Only that in every way, whether in pretense or in truth, Christ is preached; and in this I rejoice, yes, and will rejoice." PHILIPPIANS 1v18
Trent talks about the four causes of justification, None of these causes is the work of the individual Christian. For, according to Trent, God’s grace does all the work. However, Trent does condemn “faith alone,” but what it means is mere intellectual assent without allowing God’s grace to be manifested in one’s actions and communion with the Church. This is why Trent also condemns justification by works.
@KakkoiGuy1 I'm sorry but i do not agree , all you have stated is what Trent say's about justification it does not say that you can " WORK " you way into salvation
Gal. 5:6
thus, the faith that justifies us is faith working through love, not faith alone. This is one of the best summaries of Catholic teaching. Faith and love (manifested by works) are always connected.
SURA 2. Baqara, or the Heifer
1. A. L. M.
2. This is the Book; in it is guidance sure, without doubt, to those who fear Allah;
3. Who believe in the Unseen, are steadfast in prayer, and spend out of what We have provided for them;
4. And who believe in the Revelation sent to thee, and sent before thy time, and [in their hearts] have the assurance of the Hereafter.
5. They are on [true] guidance, from their Lord, and it is these who will prosper.
@Anios890 what he was actually saying. God Himself and obeying his word comes first and there isn’t a Catholic who would say otherwise. Mary shouldn’t distract from the core message.
3. Catholics wouldn’t argue with this one. The title of Priest is just a form of ID and recognition that they have consecrated their lives to that role.
4. This point is referring to Pagan nature worship. I’m sure you celebrate Christmas and Easter…..
5. We are all saints but Catholic Saints are those who have
@armando1955ify When Jesus therefore saw his mother, and the disciple whom He loved standing nearby, He said to His mother, "Woman, behold, your son!" Then He said to the disciple, "Behold, your mother!" And from that hour the disciple took her into his own household. John 19:26-27 And the Lord's bond-servant must not be quarrelsome, but be kind to all, able to teach, patient when wronged, with gentleness correcting those who are in opposition. 2 Timothy 2:24-25a I command everyone to reconcile.
@LDSfaithDefender Moroni was not prophecied in the Book of Revelation. Did you know that Joseph Smith added and even changed things in the Book of Revelation? What does the Bible say about those who change and add or take away from the Book of Revelation? He did this in the JST. With that being said, why would you follow a man or sing "PRAISE TO THE MAN" (one of your hymns) that would do something like that and whom the Bible says is cursed?
Wow that was powerful. I will be listening for now on. Cant get this stuff at any churches.
@TheCatholicWay Canon 11. If anyone says that men are justified either by the sole imputation of the justice of Christ or by the sole remission of sins, excluding grace and charity which is poured into their hearts by the Holy Spirit and inheres in them, or also that the grace which justifies us is only the favour of God, let him be anathema.
@seahawkers101 Some Catholics pray to Mary and the saints. I've seen the prayer candles with my own eyes. It's still attributing to Mary and the saints more power than the Bible has granted them.
@TheCatholicWay It's actually the other way around. The works are a manifestation or the fruit of a saving faith. You don't have to agree but that is Biblical text taken in the correct context which is something I know Roman Catholicism doesn't teach and hasn't from conception. This is not a put down to you. I just showed you your own canon and it saying how you are not saved by faith alone and I've giving you not just one but a few canon from the Catholic church stating this.
Canon 32. If anyone says that the good works of the one justified are in such manner the gifts of God that they are not also the good merits of him justified; or that the one justified by the good works that he performs by the grace of God and the merit of Jesus Christ (of whom one is a living member), the justified does not truly merit an increase of grace, and eternal life, provided that one dies in the state of grace, the attainment of this eternal life, as well as
@LDSfaithDefender Does Mormonism teach that father God is just one of many Gods in the solar system and that he came from Kolob? Does mormonism teach that you can become a god of your own planet and repopulate it? Did Brigham and Joseph teach there was council of gods in the beginning (King Follet Discourses for Joseph Smith and Journal of Discourses 7 for Brigham). Does the mormon church teach that you have to have the Aaronic priesthood to be saved (which the Bible you can not have unless
part 2... the areas in Israel that they refer to never existed. the animals and plants that the book of Morman refers to being there never existed in the area that it refers too; that being central America.
Praise the Lord for the truth! Ye shall know the truth, and the will set you free !!!
@MrBronbron But truthfully, even more important to me, I hate sin. Are you sinless? How in the world did you manage to become sinless? Or are you lying to yourself about how righteous you are? "If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us." 1 John 1:8
SURA 1. Fatiha, or the Opening Chapter
1. In the name of Allah, Most Gracious, Most Merciful.
2. Praise be to Allah, the Cherisher and Sustainer of the worlds;
3. Most Gracious, Most Merciful;
4. Master of the Day of Judgment.
5. Thee do we worship, and Thine aid we seek.
6. Show us the straight way,
7. The way of those on whom Thou hast bestowed Thy Grace, those whose [portion] is not wrath, and who go not astray.
@flammapurita There were true Christians among the Catholics but they found promotion difficult as the Catholics tended to favor false doctrines from the very beginning of the Catholic Church. In fact, many of the people who the Catholics labeled heretics and murdered were the true Christian's. Throughout the history of the Catholic Church there has been a minority of true Christians doing their best to stay true against the false doctrines the Catholics attempted to force upon them.
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Moses 6:59 [...] inasmuch as ye were born into the world by water, and blood, and the spirit, which I have made, and so became of dust a living soul, even so ye must be *born again* into the kingdom of heaven, of water, and of the Spirit, and be cleansed by blood, even the blood of mine Only Begotten; that ye might be sanctified from all sin, and enjoy the words of eternal life in this world, and eternal life in the world to come, even immortal glory.
Founder of the first Baptist Church in. America, Roger Williams, said there would be no authorized church of Christ until Christ sent Apostles back to earth to restore the church as it was originally. Touchdown for the Mormons!
Are Mormons and Catholics Christians? - Tim Conway better yet.... Tim Conway: Are you a Christian? Do you spread love and peace? Do you respect others as your brothers and sisters? Do you follow Christ's commandment "A new commandment I give unto you, That ye love one another; as I have loved you, that ye also love one another. By this shall all men know that ye are my disciples, if ye have love one to another - John 13:34-35"
@nocturne1980 works come after faith and after salvation as a confirmation of faith and salvation. In other words, works does not lead to salvation but salvation leads to works. Likewise, works does not lead to faith but faith leads to works. A Christian obeys but the difference between the Mormon concept and the Christian concept is, the Mormon obeys to be saved but the Christian is saved to obedience. For a Christian, obedience comes after salvation, not before.
@MrBronbron I agree with everything that you just said about faith requiring works and obedience to God. I would say that it isn't obedience that leads to salvation but rather that we obey because God saved us. But yes, what kind of Christian does not at least try to obey? But I wonder how you can contradict the ex-nun that I know personally. Obviously there is at least one exception to the "every single last nun". And I've heard enough stories to suggest much more than one exception.
@armando1955ify YOU pray to Mary, correct? Now, sense we all know that prayer IS AN ACT OF WORSHIP and therefore the one being prayed to is being worshipped, then please explain to me how it is that you don't worship Mary?
@MrBronbron First, I'm not saying that all Protestants are Christians. Not everyone who cries Lord, Lord will enter the Kingdom of Heaven, not even all Catholics. I follow the Bible not any particular denomination and so on contraception: I don't know the verses that refer to it. I believe the Holy Spirit is distinguishable from God the Father: trinity meaning 3 distinguishable persons but 1 united godhead. What does 1 Pet. 5:13 have to do with this? And those other sources aren't the Bible.
I agree with what Tim has said but aren't they caaalled the "Articles of FAITH"? Faith would be reduntant
@HypoTheLlamas Is there a reason you felt the need to tell me this information? Or is randomly telling people information about things that are less important than the point they were making just your thing?
@KakkoiGuy1 About Mary no Catholic puts Mary above (that's ridiculous) infact THE CATECHISM OF THE CATHOLIC CHURCH confirms that in saying
970 "Mary's function as mother of men in no way obscures or diminishes this unique mediation of Christ, but rather shows its power.
513 "No creature could ever be counted along with the Incarnate Word and Redeemer;
Peace to you
@h0lystrike I hate to agree with this statement, but I do. The pastor's main problem is that he knows very little about the subject of his discussion. He can't even pronounce the name of the LDS Church correctly. Would you trust a doctor who can't pronounce something as basic as "medicine" or "hospital?" No.
He is doing a disservice to his flock by not doing adequate research first.
Fine exposition. Jesus is Lord. Thank you.
@TheCatholicWay My friend, you can disagree but what I gave you was completely catholic doctrine. Canonized . You see, that is the point. Gal 5:6 has been taken out of context and the way you just took it out of context, basically made grace "WORKS BASED" which is what Tim was saying in the first place. Galatian 5:6 reads 6For in Jesus Christ neither circumcision availeth any thing, nor uncircumcision; but faith which worketh by love. In other words, it's not by works done by the hands of men
And EVERY CHRISTIAN OUT THERE, why are we all arguing anyway? I can understand debating, but you really shouldn't get so fired up and angry about it: you can't FORCE someone to become a true Christian, you can only plant the seed and trust God to water it. Let's all stop beating people up w/ out words and just pray for one another: that's really the best we can do anyway! Leave the matter of people's salvation in God's capable hands and just pray and lead by your actions, not your arguments-Kate
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Mosiah 27:25 And the Lord said unto me: Marvel not that all mankind, yea, men and women, all nations, kindreds, tongues and people, must be * born again*; yea, born of God, changed from their carnal and fallen state, to a state of righteousness, being redeemed of God, becoming his sons and daughters
@megaead69
I am part of the church. You become part of the church when you ask Jesus for forgiveness of your sins and have union with Him. "I have been crucified with Christ and I no longer live, but Christ lives in me. The life I live in the body, I live by faith in the Son of God, who loved me and gave himself for me."
How does Jesus define church?
"For where two or three are gathered together unto my name, there am I in the midst of them."
@RainhadoCanto4 You're the one who first commented to ME! Now you've shown your true colors. I have spoken kindly and rationally, and you respond with anger. A true Christian does not tell someone to "DROP DEAD" before citing something from scripture. I feel sorry for you.
Here is a verse for you to consider:
"Control your temper
For anger labels you a fool."
Ecclesiastes 7:9
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In general merit refers to the right to recompense for a good deed. With regard to God, we of ourselves are not able to merit anything, having received everything freely from him. However, God gives us the possibility of acquiring merit through union with the love of Christ, who is the source of our merits before God. The merits for good works, therefore must be attributed in the first place to the grace of God and then to the free will of man.
@TheCatholicWay Oh. I said that the Pope stated that Mary is Mother Goddess. She is not the mother of men. Both are incorrect...She is not a mother Goddess nor the mother of men. The Catholic Church and it's Popes have taught for ages that Mary is a "CO MEDIATOR" with Jesus Christ. This is contrary to what the Bible says because it says that there is one Mediator between man and God and that is Jesus Christ 1 Tim 2:5. Grace through faith ONLY saves you. That's God's word. Not the Eucharist.
check out shawn mccraney's born again mormon, and hotm, and utlm (.) org... its often a long process for mormons and there is help
@WayOfTheMaster454 sorry i thought you ment Jesus himself but it was his apostles confused me there for a sec, yes thats true his head of the body and church but i don't recall him saying we will need popes or priests look im not saying catholics are bad people but your lead the wrong directions and its not cause we interpret scripture differently i used to be a catholic im polish but please dont say true christianity u merely have to google christianity vs catholic to see the differences
@HypoTheLlamas Thanks for completely missing the point. No you didn't look at the 2 playlists I mentioned, No you didn't acknowledge the 2 bullet points, No you didn't see what I said about Jews. Is this how you approach everything? Blindly?
@nocturne1980 no, doing good works will have no effect one way or the other about whether you go to heaven or hell. In terms of salvation, they make no difference. You and I are close to an agreement. It is the motives of the heart that matter. If we are doing good works in order to earn something then our good works are for the wrong motive. But because God saves us not regarding our works, we become free to do good works out of gratefulness and love instead of a need to earn something.
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Alma 7:14 Now I say unto you that ye must repent, and be *born again*; for the Spirit saith if ye are not *born again* ye cannot inherit the kingdom of heaven; therefore come and be baptized unto repentance, that ye may be washed from your sins, that ye may have faith on the Lamb of God, who taketh away the sins of the world, who is mighty to save and to cleanse from all unrighteousness.
@nocturne1980 God saves us to obedience means that it is by the salvation of God that we become able to obey. All people who try to obey without God's salvation are doomed to failure but after God's salvation, we can succeed. I am not teaching disobedience. I'm merely teaching what must come first. Salvation must come first or obedience is for naught.
@jimyking
Actually that's not true. Most of popular "Christianity" is the act of *appearing* Christian. But Christ is not served by human hands as though He needed anything. Acts 17:24-28, John 5:41
Ephesians 2:8-10
For by grace, you have been saved through faith; and that not of yourselves, it is the gift of God; not as a result of works, so no one may boast. For we are His workmanship, created in Christ Jesus for good works, which God prepared beforehand so we would walk in them.
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BORN AGAIN
Can a person be born again and a member of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints?
Of, course: along with the Bible, other LDS scriptures say it's necessary. Here are a few examples:
@LDSfaithDefender What you admit that he did tamper with the Bible although you claim it was already tampered with. This does not negate the fact that he changed things he should not have. The manuscripts don't even do that. If you can prove that they do, please show us with unbiased sources but I can prove that the NT and OT are basically the same as before. ;) However, please answer my questions from before. And know that I'm not picking on you. I'm asking quesitons that you should know.
@LDSfaithDefender Bottom line the mormon gospel is just as the book of mormon suggests...it's another gospel or another testament and therefore we are not to trust it or even call it Christian. I encourage you to read Hebrews chapter 1,7,8,9,10 and pray that God reveals the truth of His word (the bible) to you as you read because those chapters alone reveal how contrary to Christianity, mormonism is. I say this in love my friend.
That Catholics exclusively believe that Good Works merit Salvation is the greatest Misunderstanding and Misconception existing today. That Fundamentalists, Envagelicals et. al believe that one's actions has nothing to do with one's salvation is the greatest Oversimplification of scripture. That Judaism still awaits the advent of the Messiah is quite simply SAD. That Muslims believe they were ordained by the God of Abraham is the greatest Contradiction in history.
@LDSfaithDefender Faith without works is dead is something the mormon church completely has wrong. James is saying that if you say you have a saving faith, then good works will follow that saving faith. He isn't saying that you are saved by works. If you are saved by works, then Grace is no longer grace because GRACE is an unmerited gift from God. Umerited means you can't work to earn it. This is the same thing I just shared with the Catholic guy. You two come here to refute Tim but just prove
@MrBronbron The Catholic Church did not inherit the keys from Peter. Peter is still now the rock upon which the Church is built, not just the Catholic Church but the Church of all believers. The Papacy has been similar to Babylon. I'm not saying that it is Babylon. I don't know. But it has been similar to Babylon. As far as the seven hills, that's symbolic language not literal. Don't ask me what it means. I don't know.
@MrBronbron "And whosoever shall not receive you, nor hear your words, when ye depart out of that house or city, shake off the dust of your feet. Verily I say unto you, It shall be more tolerable for the land of Sodom and Gomorrha in the day of judgment, than for that city." Matthew 10:14-15 You call me a liar. I shake the dust off my feet at you. We are done.
I'm confused... I agree that we are NOT saved by works and any such message is false, but concerning the Catholic Church: They were for so long THE church, and carry its history... where did it all get off track? Surely we can't believe that the Holy Spirit didn't work and that there was no true church for 1580 years until Luther???
@armando1955ify I don't hate Catholics. I wouldn't have written anything except that you made a little tirade of hatred against Protestants. I would agree with you that many Protestants promote false doctrines. But do not claim that Catholics do not also have false doctrines. I don't belong to any denomination or sect. I follow the Bible alone, Sola Scriptura. And I worship God only. I do not need a priest or pastor to intercede on my behalf. I attend Church for fellowship and counsel instead.
@LDSfaithDefender you can't say the Bible is tampered with. He took the Bible and added more to it which brings that curse upon himself. As for the hymns, I didn't say you didn't have hymns about Jesus (though not many) however you PRAISE JOSEPH in that hymn and you can't refute that. I never said they pray to Joseph. You didn't answer any questions I asked whatsoever. Getting back to Smitty tampering with the book of revelation.
@shizza82 You heard it right,Catholics have so many alien practice and beliefs its very different from true Christianity. Many Catholics do not bother to read their Bible and only belief what their Pope tell them. In this day and age with the advent of internet one can easily check and compare with the teachings of the Bible whether they are as taught by Jesus Christ and the Apostles or the mere teachings of men.
@nocturne1980 Thanks! Will do! I just get real convicted about taking on other Christians because of John 17:21 AND because I have met Catholics we genuinely love God... in the end it's between each one of us and God =)
The Protestants (evangelicals) do not seem to know their own history. They came out of Catholicism in the reformation. The Reformers claimed that the Universal Christian Church - the Catholic Church - had become corrupted and then broke away and started their own churches in protest - the PROTESTant churches.
@godzilla0083 Who are you calling good? "as it is written, 'There is none righteous, not even one'" Romans 3:10 The whole point has been that the Mormons, like many others who claim to be Christian, attempt to be good enough to earn their way and it is that very attempt that guarantees that they won't make it. There is only one way by which man must be saved and this way will not be found in any denomination or religious organization. It is only by Jesus Christ himself that one might be saved.
@LDSfaithDefender Let me say this to you LDS defender... Be honest. I live in Salt Lake and I know what the church teaches. so be honest. Did Joseph Smith teach that all christian churches were an abomination to God and none were correct except the one that Joseph would "restore"? Does Mormonism teach that Jesus is a created being and spirit brother of satan?
@Anios890 Church you are wasting your time. I no longer attend the Catholic Church, and not for any of the reasons you have suggested. This does not mean that I will not defend our Catholic brothers and sisters in Christ from ignorant criticism.
I will refer you back to my original comment which was that the gentleman in the video clearly knows very little about the Catholic Church BASED ON THE COMMENTS HE WAS MAKING. On the core beliefs of salvation and the nature of God we agree.
God Bless
This guy is sincere, but he doesn't know what he's talking about. He says Catholics believe Mary did what Jesus did. Huh? What? That makes no sense, and no Catholic would ever say such a thing.
Too many evangelicals base their arguments against other faiths on hearsay and rumor.
@LDSfaithDefender Absolutely incorrect my friend. Joseph Smith didn't know anything about Hebrew Aramaic nor Greek. His futile attempts to even connect the people in America (natives) with Jews is horrendous and has been disproven. His book of Abraham in the Pearl of Great Price is an absolute farce and has been disproven. He claimed to translate the Glyphs from a papyri into that book and now that we can read Egyptian Glyphs we know that it had nothing to do with Abraham at all.
Alright, trying to stay gentle and not quarrelsome, for our Catholic friends, please read Matthew 12:46-50, Luke 14:26-27, and Revelations 18:4. For though I can believe that many within the Catholic Church are true Christians, the Papacy itself has been guilty throughout the majority of it's history of the same carnality that is ascribed to Babylon. You can determine this for yourself just by reading history.
1 John 2:4 Whoever says, 'I know him' without keeping his commandments, is a liar, and truth has no place in him.
@LDSfaithDefender you a direct descendant of levites and aaron..and no mormon is of the line of Levi). Do you have to be sealed in the temple to go to the third level of heaven? The Bible teaches that it is appointed for man to die ONCE and after that Judgement so there is no accepting the Gospel after death but am I right in saying that mormonism teaches you that you can accept the Mormon gospel after death and that is why you baptize dead people in the temple? This is not baring false witness.
@MrBronbron Tell me where the Bible says that the Popes are descendants of Peter. The Bible doesn't even mention Popes. And if you study history, you see a definite disconnect between Peter and the Popes. Protestants do have the authority to bind and loose. As far as what I know and what I don't: I don't know everything. Now we know in part, then we shall know in whole. But what I know I speak with boldness and certainty.
It's a bit worrying how many of these pastors are looked to by people who want to hear the truth, and yet they clearly know nothing about Catholicism. I can't tell you how much tripe I've heard; they worship Mary, they worship Saints, they worship idols, they believe in salvation by works (NONE of which is true!). If people didn't rely on others to give them the facts and actually spent the time to learn about the doctrines themselves there wouldn't be so much misunderstanding and hatred!
@LDSfaithDefender Jesus' church really completely fell into apostacy if Jesus said that would never happen. Once again, it's Jesus' word against Joseph's. Who's word do you believe? As for my glory? I have none of my own. I am just a humble follower of Jesus. I'm a wretch, I'm lower than the lowest and nothing is good in my flesh. I'm not righteous of my own. Jesus has made me righteous through his shed blood on the Cross (not gethsemane). I look to Him for my everthing. My works can't save me
@TheCatholicWay or the rituals but the FAITH justifies you and the FAITH is working and not the person. You see this in James as well that faith without works is dead. This means that if you are truly converted by the Holy Spirit, by grace through FAITH, then works will follow. The works follow the faith not the faith following the works. So once again when you said "Faith and love (MANIFESTED BY WORKS)" you were agreeing with TIm that Roman Catholicisim is a works based Gospel. The faith
@MrBronbron I'm not going to continue this much longer. I've looked at what you've written on other channels and it looks like you just love to argue and don't care about the truth. Even if I agreed with you, you'd still find a reason to disagree with me. And my story is not made up. Some of those other stories might be made up but not all of them. Can we please stop this pointless debate about Catholics vs. Protestants and agree that both groups need purification.
@TheCatholicWay Those who keep His commandments do so out of LOVE, not because it will get them to heaven. We are saved by faith alone in Jesus Christ and to say that we need works as well to be saved renders Christ's work on the cross as powerless; it is completely unbiblical and an insult. Christ deserves all the glory for our salvation, not us. My savior saved me, I could never save myself:
"and all our righteous acts are like filthy rags;" (Isa 64:4-9)
All glory to God through Jesus Christ
@LDSfaithDefender The BOM is not historically accurate, it's not accurate concerning the cities it mentions, the coins it mentions, the animals in the new world nor anything else. It claims to be another testament of Jesus but Jesus only came to the lost sheep of israel and commanded his disciples to go to the ends of the earth and preach the Gospel. His ministry didn't leave Israel because salvation is to the Jews then the Gentiles because Jews were the chosen people.
@LDSfaithDefender This is another twist from a latter day saint. Scriptual Analyst, who have nothing to gain from studying this have even claimed that the Bible we have today is assuredly the same as it was in the 3000-4000 manuscripts that we have from the first century. Also, Jesus said that the gates of hell wouldn't prevail against his church, so if that is the case, why would we need a "restoration"? Is Jesus lying? God forbid! Let Joseph be the liar and Jesus be the truth.
The anti christ pope said that Mary is mother goddess and that she is your mediator. It is known that he is said to be infalliable when he is sitting on his thrown with the upside down cross on it. Roman Catholicism has always been at odds with Bible Believing Christianity. The inquisitions are proof of that. The popes have said many times that "Faith in Jesus alone is not enough". This is contrary to the Bible's teachings, just as many other Roman Catholic doctrines and it's priests
@nocturne1980 If faith is saving faith that faith issues forth in works, works initiated & empowered by Holy Spirit indwelling the disciple of Christ. Certainly works of any type do not merit salvation. Real salvation is pure grace, sheer gift.
The Mormon concept of salvation is VASTLY different than that of Christians in more ways than works. Also, they are taught that God was once a man who worked hard enough, long enough to become good enough & big enough to finally arrive at being God.
@RainhadoCanto4 Bro, I'm a Christian--NOT a Mormon. I do NOT believe their gospel.
The Mormons I know would laugh at this video because of his pronunciation. If you can't pronounce a simple word like "latter" (similar to ladder) correctly, the Mormons will dismiss everything else you say.
I have no doubt this pastor is a man of God. He just needs to know more about this subject before he starts sharing info on it. There are FAR more problems with Mormon ideas than what he shared here.
@MrBronbron My doctrines personally or Protestant doctrines generally? It's not fair to lump all Protestants together because any fool can call himself a Protestant. Just like any fool can claim to be Catholic and can even use money and political power to set up any other fool as Pope. I know personally a Catholic nun who wasn't allowed to read the Bible. Then one night, she snuck out to read the Bible and decided to quit being Catholic.
@Anios890 are those who have had actual miracles attributed to them during their lifetime and led very holy lives that’s all.
@LDSfaithDefender
Revelation 14:6, is about the Word of christ wich will be preached over the whole world, its already happening, on tv, radio, on the streets, christians who travel acros the globe, in newspapers, on the internet, everywhere, even in videogames with microphones people spread the word, so yes everyone will hear the Gospel worldwide, the book of mormon is not worldwide, the bible is, and the word of God is known, and also by many rejected, and by many accepted.
The Catholic church is the original Christian church, so yes. Nowadays we let anyone who says they worship Christ to call themselves Christian. God bless & get knowledge from Catholics themselves if you want true Catholic Christian knowledge!
@shizza82 Catholicism is not Christian. There's no evidence it ever was. It was proto-catholics that sought for Constantine to murder the Donatist sect when the Donatists condemned the proto-catholics for apostacizing under diocletion. That's 4th century. The apostles never heard of Catholicism and you'll search in vain for it in the new Testament.
You are absolutely wrong. Salvation is of the Jews. The bible in divine scripture. Everything else is garbage. Anything added to or taken away is
1."man made" or
2. "Pagan God added"
KJV 1611 AV God gave us his word that we are to rely upon purified 7 times. Look up the word purified 7 times on youtube.
Please see my playlist for Bible versions, and Religious cults and False teachings.
@LDSfaithDefender Jesus knew this. John 2:19. Paul knew this too.. 1 Cor 6:19-20. Why? because God no longer lives in temples made of man's hands. He dwells in the hearts of believers who are the church Acts 7:48, Acts 17:24. Your "restoration" of the priesthood is obsolete. Jesus Christ is our high priest now and God speaks through His son in these last days not through major prophets like back in OT times. Hebrews chapters 7 and 8 and Hebrews 1:1-3. The book of mormon isn't another testament
@LDSfaithDefender Non Mormon Christianity is false yet Mormonism can't even get the cities it mentions correct. We can find Jerusalem but where is Zerahemla? Did you look up the Book of Abraham yet and how it's a farce? Revelation 20:12-13? Yes, this is the judgement that Mormons will face for not knowing the Biblical Jesus and not being born again. Notice in verse 11 that this is the Great White Throne Judgement. All those that didn't know the Biblical Jesus (I say that because Mormon jesus is
@LDSfaithDefender him to be right concerning your works based doctrines of Salvation which is completely contrary to the Bible. As well as your priesthoods, as well as the Jesus that mormonism preaches, as well as the false gospel it teaches. You are also proving me correct. Mormonism claims to be Christian but at the same times calls all true Christians, false Christians. Yet you all get upset when we not only show you that you aren't Christian but when we say it too. :)
@LDSfaithDefender a different Jesus than what the Bible teaches) they will all face this white throne judgement. These are those that are dead outside of Christ. They will be judged based off their works and their works are as filthy rags in the eyes of God. Keep reading further in that same chapter and you will see that since this is your judgement, you will be cast into the lake of fire with the rest that are judged at that judgement. Please read the whole chapter and keep it in context.
@armando1955ify Thou shall not worship Mary or any saints or angels for none of these have the status of God and thou shalt only worship the Lord your God. Thou shalt not sell forgiveness in the form of indulgences for why should the wealthy be able to afford to sin more. Thou shalt not grant the Pope or any human divine authority for they are not God and only God has divine authority. Shall I list more of the false doctrines that the Catholics have committed murder over?
SURA 112. Ikhlas, or Purity (of Faith)
1. Say: He is Allah, the One and Only;
2. Allah, the Eternal, Absolute;
3. He begetteth not, nor is He begotten;
4. And there is none like unto Him.
Obey who? Which rules? Anyone can make up rules. I could say that it's a sin to talk without touching your nose. Would you obey me? I hope not. Anything I could make up would be false doctrine. But that is exactly what the Mormons, the Catholics and all these others do. They make up false rules and false doctrines and insist that you obey. I am not preaching disobedience but how can you obey the correct laws if you do not recognize true doctrine from false doctrine?