I don’t tell people my pronouns, or ask theirs… but if someone tells me theirs, that’s cool, I’ll make sure to use them. If someone asks for mine, I’m not offended, I’ll gladly tell them, she/her. Like, it’s not a big deal… 😅 Imagine being upset by pronouns… my English teacher would be furious. 😂
speaking of, i once corrected someone on valorant that i'm a she and the guy got so mad and jumped to saying "so what? you want special treatment?" like bro you would correct someone too if they kept referring to you as "she" when you're a guy. guys get so mad about gender 💀
Yet if you use a screen name of a girl and get upset when some random person you never met or will meet calls you a she? Who is really the one getting triggered here?
Definitely thought I’d get some negative comments from random non subs but genuinely surprised my content has attracted people with negative views on pronouns in general. Either way. Have a great day and remember to be kind, it’s free!
Most people and me too don't agree that pronouns should exist, because they don't make sense to exist in the first place. If you are born a man, you will always remain a man, no matter what you do to your body, and same if you were born a woman. Gender change ruins the life. And if someone called me a girl, I wouldn't be upset, I would think the person calling me a girl is stupid.
Not gonna lie @koji I get it like I like to be respectful and stay in my own business to the point where pronouns and orientations don’t really bother me. But the reason people get bothered by it even me sometimes it’s because things go too far. Like coming up and school I was taught he him she her now there’s they them which is a direct contradiction of a singular person then there’s the ones that start with ze and etc. and it seems like new ones are added everyday. For the 1% of people who actually have these feelings and they force it down your throat there are people that have been male for 20 years transition most times not even fully and then should I make a mistake on your pronouns I’m the most evil person in existence or sometimes you have people who spend money and put in the work to look the opposite of there pronoun and then get upset when a stranger mis pronouns them all of sudden we have humans identifying as zoo animals and etc. it’s just way too much and it’s to the point where barbers are asking me if it’s ok to cut my hair when I specifically came to pay them to cut my hair and one false move and your jumped and attacked by this giant community of people who deviated from the standard which I’m not saying is right or wrong but the standard is the standard so to deviate from the standard and and scream for respect in your circumstances or identity or whatever but then say you just want to be normal it doesn’t make sense especially to expect other people to deviate from there standard on your behalf. I’m not saying it’s right or wrong either way I’m just saying at times I feel pronouns are overwhelming. Either way try not to let it bother you keep being a ray of sunshine love the content and have an amazing day or night 😊
@@skipyou2870treating hetero/cis as the norm or "standard" is homophobic/transphobic. Everything you said stems from that and is, at best, incredibly ignorant and outright wrong. It isn't respectful at all. I don't know why you ended your comment with "don't let it bother you" when this isn't really about that, but about Koji being a decent person who cares about vulnerable communities, so of course he's going to address the transhobia he witnesses in his chat.
Rebellion against social norms will always be contentious. These people demand to be adressed in a different way because of their different self identification. Everyone is usually adressed with pronouns according to the perception of the adressor. Making this demand for different pronouns a demand for special treatment, AKA snowflakes. You can correct someone about their perception, but that can also be considered unfair criticism in some cases where the identity of the person is intentionally obscured.
its not the fact that someone is getting upset because someone uses pronouns, its the fact they want you to go out of your way, treat them like they are special and if you dont they are offended.
Rebellion against social norms will always be contentious. These people demand to be adressed in a different way because of their different self identification. Everyone is usually adressed with pronouns according to the perception of the adressor. Making this demand for different pronouns a demand for special treatment, AKA snowflakes. You can correct someone about their perception, but that can also be considered unfair criticism in some cases where the identity of the person is intentionally obscured.
Amen, Koji! It's often the ones speaking the loudest on this issue that would be the most offended if someone ever tried to deliberately confuse them with an identity they don't hold. They care about the issue too, they're just too cowardly to understand that it not affecting them as much doesn't mean it doesn't affect others.
I feel like it’s pretty self evident 99% of the time which is why it pisses people off that we have to dance around some bs that only affects 5-10% of the population. Now if buddy had blue hair and a girly voice then i understand clarifying pronouns and all that.
@@austinwilson7565 what do you mean “dance around”?? there's like 7 words extra in his introduction than if he wouldn't say it. “And my pronouns are he and him.” If you're okay with people assuming default then that's great! Some people might not be okay with that, though, and those people will say their pronouns. Or maybe they're like koji, and want to highlight that this space is inclusive.
@@andermium I think it highlights the hyper sensitive and promotes the average kid watching to think it’s okay to identify as something he or she isn’t, which leads to a deeper issue like kids becoming transgender and ruining their lives before their brain is developed.
@@austinwilson7565not sure where you live, but where i live virtually every form asks for clarification anyway & always has done since as far back as i can remember. like, every application, every school form, every travel document, every legal document, etc. has always asked for clarification on which terms i use & which gender i identify as. my name is pretty widely recognised as being feminine & never once have i scoffed at a form thinking "well, shouldn't it be obvious by my name?!" so people incorporating this same practice into their everyday language to me is not bothersome at all. if it doesn't affect you, or if you were sure of someone's pronouns & feel it was an unnecessary clarification, that's great. it doesn't harm you at all to have that extra clarification. but it actively helps those who get misgendered, or perhaps are unsure of someone's pronouns, feel safe & feel like they can be a real part of the conversation. normalise being kind & making space for everyone, even when you think there's no direct benefit to yourself.
@@austinwilson7565 you know how people say "bless you" when they sneeze, even though it's extra words and people aren't actually superstitious about the devil or whatever coming to get us when we do that anymore? it's called a courtesy, and we all appreciate it when someone offers us that courtesy. this is like that. it's a newer cultural tradition that's being introduced by younger folk who want to be courteous and respectful to everyone and ensure that conversations are smooth sailing. it's as easy and natural as "bless you."
Thank you, Koji! 💕 This is exactly the kind of respectful and compassionate mindset I hope that one day, just about everyone will have about pronouns and trans people. Until then, I am so happy that you are one of the folks who trans people can trust and be safe around. I’m not trans myself, but I am part of the queer community, and it makes me so disappointed in other people when they clearly can’t be bothered to do any research about what actually benefits trans people. Social acceptance and gender affirming care are recommended by literally every major medical and psychological association. It just shows that those people would rather double down on hateful ignorance than open themselves up to kindness and respect. Don’t let them get under your skin. With any luck, they will figure it out eventually.
Koji is the nicest person ever. I saw a video where he asked for people to subscribe to him (which is usually such an ick) but he was just so sweet about it, I just subscribed… 😅 He must be protected at all costs.
Imagine if somebody was like "Hi my name's Michael, but you can call me Mike" and people were like "YOU HAVE A NICKNAME??!?? OUTRAGEOUS!!" Pronouns are the same; they're just words we use to refer to people, and there's no reason people shouldn't be able to choose what words they're referred to with
Exactly, I agree with you. I can choose what pronouns I want and you can choose whether or not you want to use them. They're preferred pronouns it's not like I'm forcing you to use them.
@@tonygov I’m not saying that. There are people on both sides who need to grow up because they had a bad experience with extremists on the other side and assume everyone on that side is like that (Aka the composition fallacy). Almost no one is arguing that getting mad at a stranger for not knowing your pronouns immediately is fine.
For a lot of people I feel like they are just annoyed by the portrayed image of pronouns being like this ridiculous thing that anybody can identify as anything. Like I get thinking calling someone who identifys as a dog like idk xyiu/xjiuf is weird (I still don't get why u would actually get upset and care about that) but people not being comfortable with their born gender is literally a scientific reality. I don't think its a problem at all to not always state your pronouns, but being upset if somebody does is so pointless. It takes like 2 seconds.
I was scrolling the comments for a while and I’m actually so done with making responses. I had no idea that USING THE CORRECT PRONOUNS (literal grammar) is considered “controlling behavior” by these… wow, I really want to call them snowflakes, ironic. People don’t seem to understand that pronouns are basically mini names, and their stance is pretty much “if you tell me your name is Sarah you are trying to remove my right to free speech and secretly trying to control everyone’s behavior to your liking”
People don't get that they aren't being forced to use our pronouns, it's like a nickname it's what we prefer and we get that respect is earned not demanded. Some other parts of the community are the reason we get hate, it's always the minority.
@@maddenbanh8033 I mean using the correct pronouns for someone is the most basic level of respect that no one should have to “earn” so idk what you’re on about. If I meet a random lady on the street I’m not calling her “he” just because she hasn’t earned my respect yet. I’m calling her “she” because that’s the basic level of respect you give every human, calling them the correct name
@@poppyseed799 the only meaningful correct name is our actual names, not some pronouns. People shouldn't have to abide by pronouns, that's why they're called preferred pronouns. I myself would use correct pronouns however, many others simply decide they don't want to be a part of what we're doing and you have to respect that as well.
@@maddenbanh8033 ?????????????? What is bro on about rn. Pronouns aren’t some new little thing that LGBT people just invented it’s a part of our language. What do you mean it’s optional and we understand if people don’t use them?? I feel like you replied to my original comment acting like you agreed with me when you clearly don’t know what I meant by it.
@@poppyseed799 it isn't something that was just invented. But it's still a choice that you must respect, did you decide to just not read my comment? It's very optional and you can't just force somebody because it's required they have a basic level of respect, if you can even define that.
I will admit I got tired of the pronoun games when I was targeted for saying literally what you did which made me lol! I once said “Hey guys” in a chat online & was basically told off for the general term of “guys” when simply saying hello to a group. I’m old, a female, & have literally always swapped he/she in error in conversation. I remember my bf in high school saying “he said damnit he said” when he finally got fed up with my brain mixing them up when speaking. Just adding this to say some of us are doing the best we can to get it right & I understand the frustration when people get them wrong from experience. I think both sides can make assumptions against intentions & take it too far. We should all just try to be kinder online! Be like Koji! 💜
People don't need to believe in gender. If you force pronouns on them, they will feel that a gender ideology/religion is imposed on them like Christiniaty once was or like Islam constantly is in some places. I won't use "preferred pronouns" as much as I won't say Christ is my saviour or Allah is the only god. Thanks, but no.
I completely agree- respect other people and be completely kind. The issue happens when the use of a person’s preferred pronouns goes against someone’s fundamental belief system. It’s hard for one to abandon their values that they live their life based on, you know?
I'm pretty sure it's people who doesn't like change very much. "When I learned how to greet people, we only used 'they' when there were more than one person" or something like that. They are used to assuming based on context. It's one thing to correct someone like "Ah, I'm actually a girl" and then it's all fine. People seem fine with that. I'm sure the people offended by people saying "I'm He/Him" feel like it's obvious. "Yeah, I can see/hear that; I'm not blind/deaf". Personally, when someone deviates from the norm, I get corrected and that's fine. I assume based on appearance and voice but if I'm corrected, I keep to it best I can. I will make mistakes but that's nothing new. It's honestly a niche to worry about pronouns in the world. It's still not as widespread as it's believed to be. I know several trans people and I trip up on pronouns every once in a while. Mostly because of how I hear their voices but also because of how I knew them before the transitions. I try, though.
Exactly! They just hate that you’d be respectful to someone’s pronouns that they don’t believe should have said pronouns but you’re 100% right, they would be livid if they themself were miss-pronouned! Hate is an ugly thing to see and be around.
i honestly don't care about pronouns, but whatever, people wants to use it, or not, has nothing to do with me. i don't need to be rude or judge it. basic courtesy to another human beings. You're doing great Koji!
Everyone uses pronouns. Yours are masculine based a cisgender if you would. I'm sorry you have to have these types of ppl raiding you. You deserve all the love! Keep doing what you do best!
Tbh, I get it. I never introduce myself with my name, only a nickname, if I meet people for the first time. And just how I care about being called something other than my assigned at birth name, when spoken to directly, other people care about being adressed with specific pronouns, assigned at birth or not, when spoken about to others. Personally idgaf what pronouns people use when talking about me, especially online, but then I also tend to run under a genderless screen name, so, unless they know at least a little bit about me personally, how would they know wether that barnacle is he she or they? It's harder to learn peoples names than wich out of a still pretty limited range of pronouns they choose. And if respecting pronouns is a dealbreaker for some people, good riddance.
Because people dont want to continue others delusion, its that simple. When it comes to people disrespecting others, its EXTENSIVELY disrespectful to force your world view on another, especially your viewership.
The ones that have the most problems with pronouns are the ones that get upset if you use the wrong one when first meeting them. If you want respect you must show some. If you look female or male I’ll use the appropriate pronouns. If you get upset about that, then that’s all on you.
Since when was the concept of pronouns ridiculous, it’s existed for ages. Unless you suggest we remove them entirely and refer to people only as their names. poppyseed thinks this would be very weird but poppyseed doesn’t think pedrobandito would really care as pedrobandito doesn’t seem to understand what a pronoun is and what Koji meant by this. But if pedrobandito thinks the way poppyseed is talking right now is better than using pronouns then poppyseed guesses humanity can stop using pronouns.
@@poppyseed799 Yes, pronouns have existed perfectly well before the gender ideology turned a pure grammatical thing into a nonsense. Pronouns should be used accordingly, regardless of what someone prefers. Men are he's, women are she's, plural is they. That's all in modern English for 3d person.
Rebellion against social norms will always be contentious. These people demand to be adressed in a different way because of their different self identification. Everyone is usually adressed with pronouns according to the perception of the adressor. Making this demand for different pronouns a demand for special treatment, AKA snowflakes. You can correct someone about their perception, but that can also be considered unfair criticism in some cases where the identity of the person is intentionally obscured.
Good to know there are people who understand that. Hopefully, more people will see your comment and have a thought, unless it's too wordy for some - I've seen gender ideologues claiming not to have ability to read past four words like "trans women are women" or other meaningless mantras.
Extremely common koji W, this is why you are the best streamer, you don't just play mindlessly but you're smart and have a kind heart ❤️ I'm really proud of you for making this vid, you knew you'd get negative comments from that kind of people, but you did it anyway bc it's important, so thank you love
I think the frustration is from being told how to speak/act. I don’t want to be rude or disrespectful towards another person, if I call you he and you correct me to they that’s not a big deal I might mess up but I’ll try my best to use your preferred pronoun. I think people just get tired of being bombarded with being told how to speak and act like I haven’t even spoken to you yet and you’re already telling me how to behave. This is just my opinion, I could be wrong or change my mind but I think some of the annoyance is when a person has pronouns in like a signature or puts it out there in some way before you even speak to them and the pronouns match what is their perceived gender it just gets repetitive and can be annoying. People don’t like being told or reminded all the time that they are wrong or bad in some way we all just trying to live happy lives if your pronouns are ze, they, or whatever and you tell me in person hey I’d prefer if you refer to me as such I will 100% try my best to honor that. It’s when people try to make you feel bad for speaking in a way that’s been normal all your life that it gets frustrating.
I don't understand how having pronouns in a signature or bio is annoying. It's similar to their name: "Refer to me at this." If a cis, fem-presenting woman has "she/her" in her signature or bio, I truly don't understand why anyone would be like "LOL DUH." Just move on? Why allow that energy to take over? If the frustration is being told how to "speak/act" then I have to ask: why is someone asking you to respect them so frustrating?
If someone telling you what pronouns they use is telling you how to behave then by that logic any time someone says anything about them, it means they’re telling you how to behave. You wouldn’t say someone introducing their name or their occupation is forcing you to behave in a certain way.
@@jenibeanie no neither of those things force you to behave a certain way I agree, but say that person is a doctor and they want you to refer to them as Dr. such and such that would be them forcing their will on you to refer to them as they please. Inherently you telling another human being how they are allowed and not allowed to interact with you will be met with some resistance in some cases. As I said I have no issue using some ones preferred pronouns it’s not that big a deal. I feel that the reason some people get frustrated is the fact they are being told how to act, and that how they have acted all their life is in someway wrong now, life is about change I don’t mind adapting to change but to be confused as to why some people might get frustrated with it I think is foolish.
@@felyne. someone asking them to respect them isn’t the frustrating part, I feel as though the frustrating part is by you telling that person no what you think is wrong and what you’ve done all your life is wrong I’m right and this is now how you have to behave. I again really have zero issue with calling someone whatever pronoun they want it’s not a huge deal, I’m trying to explain why someone essentially being told they are wrong and they have to do things according some other person could be considered frustrating to people. Change isn’t something that has ever historically been easy and not met with some level of resistance.
@@Macattack1023 I still don't see where you're coming from. What about telling pronouns in introductions is saying that you've got bad behaviour and have to change your life? I can see how someone asking to be called Dr. might feel controlling, but even that is just explaining the way they prefer to be addressed. It's not about calling people bad, it's about creating a more inclusive space. Maybe the online examples you've seen went too far, but social media tends to exaggerate everything on both extremes of a spectrum, so that is not the default.
People want you to respect their pronouns, but also don’t want you to know them, so in other words people with stupid pronouns are requesting disrespect
Have always loved how you just drop in your pronouns for raiders! Normalises the action for everybody else and also is just super helpful if anyone wants to talk about you in chat 😋 Everybody has pronouns! 10/10 rant, being nice is free 🩷
Yes, that's why we have 'she' for women and girls, 'he' for boys and men, 'they' for plural (or when we are not sure of the person's sex or the person is hypothetical). Easy-peasy. Why complicate it?
Personally I think the concept of gender is dumb. People shouldn't feel forced to conform to any gender stereotypes. Gender is a social construct. It's not "real". There are 0 genders. Gendered language isn't necessary and IMO everyone should just be they/them. But I'm not an asshole so I don't force my beliefs on other people and if they want to be referred to as a specific pronoun, much like preferring a specific name, that's what I'll go with.
@@billiamswartz2355 I mean specifically in English. Romance languages are obviously built upon gendered concepts, so you'd have to fundamentally change the language to make it gender nuetral, but I'd still argue that gendered language isn't something that's needed in language. Imagine if there were a language that had pronouns based on the color of the subject's skin. It'd be a somewhat useful tool for distinguishing between two different subjects the same way that 'he' and 'she' are used in english, but it'd would be a very culturally insensitive and biased way of speaking for very little gain in ease of use.
But in this way you are allowing yourself to be gaslit. Because they say it's about being respectful, while in fact, you are showing you bought the gender ideology, which is becoming more and more dangerous. Fortunately, GC movement helped to fight it back, so hopefully, we'll be back to normal status quo in a few years. It's not being an asshole to say 'preferred pronouns' are bullshit. If you think gender ideology is stupid, be open about it and speak your mind without bowing to the mob.
It just reminds people of forced speech. It’s not about respect, it’s about controlling behavior. And there are many that believe you and other good thoughtful people have been duped. “OMG someone I enjoy is a useful idiot.”. And not many that react negatively care about their personal pronouns, call them whatever you feel is right. It’s the cultural movement, and the perceived authoritarianism from the militant parts of the + community.
I say it’s fine to respect their decisions to be called certain pronouns but when it comes down to laws it becomes a problem. That’s the only time it becomes a problem personally. On a day to day just making somebody feel comfortable isn’t a big deal.
This ties into the transgender debates quite closely, because if someone refuses to call a trans person by their preferred pronouns, it becomes a hate crime because we have irrefutable evidence that this sort of hate crime leaves people depressed, trans or not. Thus it is an act of violence. Which is why it needs to become law. Not necessarily putting people in prison, but fining, tracking, etc. There is a thing called equal punishment which I think would be beneficial a lot more nower days.
@@HYPERPEACE (just to clarify the tone of this message, I am not being rude/belligerent, I am genuinely trying to understand more about your stance) Do you think the same things about bullying/calling people rude nicknames/any other form of verbal harrassment? That anyone who does those things should get put on a watchlist? That seems very harsh
I'd like to ask since I'm not a native english speaker... why do you guys not just reuse the real gender neutral singular pronouns? I think english had it too back in the past, was it thy/thee/thou?
@@mattpenkoks3494 My native language doesn't have gendered pronouns but we have gender neutral singular third person pronouns and plural third person pronouns instead, which is much better. English only have gender neutral plural pronouns and is also being used as gender neutral singular pronoun, it will get confusing in some situations. That's my main gripe about calling someone they/them...
@@versuzzero5335 you are correct, it causes confusion because it is the incorrect use of words. Which language do you speak? I wasn't aware of any languages with neutral third person pronouns. Do nouns have gender in your native language? (A lot of European languages have gendered nouns and sometimes that affects the adjective as well)
@@mattpenkoks3494 siya = he/she ; sila = they niya = him/her ; nila = them kanya = his/hers : kanila = theirs I think this is the direct word translation. This is tagalog/filipino Some words are from spanish, like lamesa for table, la is feminine in spanish but we aren't taught it's feminine, it's just a word for table. I think it's silly putting gender on inanimate objects.
Pronouns really aren’t that big of a deal. And to the people who say they don’t have pronouns? Yeah you do, how else would someone say “I saw him at the gym yesterday”?! I ain’t using your name every time I’m referring to you 😭 Personally I get confused over the they/them because I think of a group and not an individual. Anything other than she/her and he/him is confusing to me and people have tried to explain it but I just don’t get it and you can’t get upset about it 🤷♀️ The equivalent is someone not understanding how technology works and no matter how you put it, they just won’t understand it. I’ve been waiting for someone to make a video like this, perhaps I should finally put my own thoughts into the world too? I’m scared that my channel will get taken down or something silly because I’m not allowed to have an opinion 💀
They/them works because it's the only gender neutral pronoun at the moment. It's not just there to describe a group. Obviously you're entitled to your opinion, free speech after all (Hopefully not hate speech). We live in a world where we understand ourselves better than ever before, which is why it can be overwhelming. Didn't know I was pansexual until much later into life.
@@HYPERPEACEDefinitely not hate speech from my end! I just find it hard to understand LGBTQ things. If you don’t try to force me to do things then I’m fine, but personally I keep what goes on in the bedroom to myself and my partner because it’s private information and the world doesn’t need to know what I’m into
The reason is all the weird pronouns people insist on being called like pupself and there's also the people who are really rude about it or they think they're the top of the world because they have pronouns or the people who only change pronouns to feel special. Also it can be a big deal for people who are very literal in the way they speak and write. They/them pronouns defy English. It/its pronouns defy English and morals No pronouns defies English and make communication unnecessarily tedious. I know when people wanted me to switch to they/them it caused me to start studying because my brain struggles with it. I've met people who go by He/They and i lose my ability to talk entirely because my brain can't calculate switching him and they in conversation. I am physically incapable of it. Which goes far beyond respect/common decency My reasons are different from the reasons in the video (which its actually valid to rant about reasons like that) but there are reasons i don't like them. That generalization about he/hims is also uncalled for.
the only pronoun I need to refer to you is 'you'. the pronouns you give will only be used while you're not around. why would you even care what pronouns people use while you're not around? who gives you the right to impose grammar changes on others? it's utterly selfish and narcissistic. you do you. don't expect others to play your games
THIS IS THE WILDEST TAKE I’VE EVER SEEN IN MY LIFE LMAOOOOOO first of all you can easily be in chat and talking to other chatters about Koji and therefore want to know his pronouns and second of all LMAOOOOO “imposing grammar changes” CHANGES FROM WHAT???? WERE YOU CALLING HIM SHE???? He was literally just informing you on what the correct option would be, it’s true that he can’t control what you say in private but he was never trying to, just letting you know what the correct pronouns to use are so you don’t look like you don’t know him at all! You certainly have the freedom to look like an idiot in private. He’s just ranting about people who get viscerally offended by just kindly informing new people as to what the correct pronouns are, much like you, who apparently thinks being informed is a violation of the right to free speech.
Good for you taking the time to do this. Too many people try so very hard to be a-political as content creators, which just normalizes the idea that its not ok to talk about politics. But even worse it normalizes people being right (by societal standards) when they get challenged on their values and get upset about it.
@@peterrowley6016 I'm sorry, but are you implying they're being impolite? Because they're just asking you to use their preferred pronouns on their own stream.
@@someguy2819 Not sure if your looking for offense where there is none , I said I'm polite to people who are polite to me , but judging from your comment I guessing that you are always looking for 'offense"
@@peterrowley6016 Okay, but when you say that under a video of someone asking for respect in the comments, and then you say 'respect is earned, not given', you do see how that comes across, right? That essentially acknowledging their identity is conditional or something that needs to be justified or earned. Would you not give them the benefit of the doubt?
Idk it's a kinda silly subject, like people should care about the game not who or what playing the game, let's stick with my name is and nice to meet you.
Pronouns are words. The speaker chooses the words that they believe best fit. If you think it is a "respect" issue, then see how disrespectful it is to take away another person's autonomy by gaslighting them into thinking they have to use words based on what someone else wants. Btw, I won't be bothered by a person who uses their life experiences to determine which pronouns they choose to use when addressing me. If they use inappropriate pronouns, it is likely a mistake(rarely happens) or they are intentionally using pronouns that are the exact opposite of what they know are appropriate just to attempt to get a rise. Wither way, I won't be bothered. I choose not to give that kind of power over me to other people.
This issue is quite an interesting one, and it seems to generate big emotional reactions from both sides. Here are the two main arguments: From the left: Gender is a social construct, so we can choose who we want to be, including changing gender and pronouns. From the right: Gender is based on science, and is binary. You can't decide to be something you're not, reality and truth is not what you want it to be, it just is. Where the issue gets nasty is in the opposition between the groups around this idea. Usually the critique from both sides are: From the left: Just respect people and be kind, it's not hard to be a good person. It's implied that they are not if they refuse, which is guilt-tripping. From the right: I don't have to respect your delusions and play pretend with you. They don't care to hurt other people's feelings, which is callous. I fall somewhere in between the two, but a bit more on the right. I respect people's choices to decide what they want for themselves, especially if they are an adult, but I respect truth and words too much to call a man: a woman (for example). I would probably not take kindly to someone trying to force me to call them something, and guilt tripping me if I didn't. Rights ends where other's liberties start, this sort of idea. You can do whatever you want to you, your body, but not to others, you don't have that right.
To clear up some misinformation, gender is not biological. Sex is biological. Sex and gender are different - they correlate but one does not cause the other. "I respect truth and words" If you did you would know the difference between sex and gender. Additionally, no one is "forcing" you to do anything. If someone says, "My pronouns are actually he/him, and I would appreciate it if you referred to me as such." and you simply decide to not do so, then it's just a matter of disrespect. I don't believe that person should continue to ask you to do something you choose not to do, however, I do believe that person has the right to no longer interact with someone who doesn't respect them on a basic, human level. Trans men are men. Trans women are women. Non-binary folks are human. It's really not that hard to be kind & respectful. :)
Where do intersex people fit in your "scientific" binary? Nature/biology is not as black and white as you think and you don't have the knowledge to discuss gender vs sex as adamantly as you do
@@dawnofketro It's the ones like zed and that that's crazy. He/she/them isn't the problem. Not to mention the hypocrisy of many that demand their pronouns to be used and respected, yet absolutely refuse to accept those who use pronouns against what they want.
I don’t tell people my pronouns, or ask theirs… but if someone tells me theirs, that’s cool, I’ll make sure to use them. If someone asks for mine, I’m not offended, I’ll gladly tell them, she/her. Like, it’s not a big deal… 😅 Imagine being upset by pronouns… my English teacher would be furious. 😂
i mean people are actually like "i dont have/use pronouns" and im like???
@@chosenuwu just use " " to refer to those people
speaking of, i once corrected someone on valorant that i'm a she and the guy got so mad and jumped to saying "so what? you want special treatment?" like bro you would correct someone too if they kept referring to you as "she" when you're a guy. guys get so mad about gender 💀
*Some guys get so mad about gender.
Yet if you use a screen name of a girl and get upset when some random person you never met or will meet calls you a she? Who is really the one getting triggered here?
koji this title was SPOOKY, but good take
Definitely thought I’d get some negative comments from random non subs but genuinely surprised my content has attracted people with negative views on pronouns in general. Either way. Have a great day and remember to be kind, it’s free!
Most people and me too don't agree that pronouns should exist, because they don't make sense to exist in the first place. If you are born a man, you will always remain a man, no matter what you do to your body, and same if you were born a woman. Gender change ruins the life. And if someone called me a girl, I wouldn't be upset, I would think the person calling me a girl is stupid.
Funny I was just saying to be kind like Koji before reading this!
You people talk and care about pronouns like is a nobility title that's why is so annoying
Not gonna lie @koji I get it like I like to be respectful and stay in my own business to the point where pronouns and orientations don’t really bother me. But the reason people get bothered by it even me sometimes it’s because things go too far. Like coming up and school I was taught he him she her now there’s they them which is a direct contradiction of a singular person then there’s the ones that start with ze and etc. and it seems like new ones are added everyday. For the 1% of people who actually have these feelings and they force it down your throat there are people that have been male for 20 years transition most times not even fully and then should I make a mistake on your pronouns I’m the most evil person in existence or sometimes you have people who spend money and put in the work to look the opposite of there pronoun and then get upset when a stranger mis pronouns them all of sudden we have humans identifying as zoo animals and etc. it’s just way too much and it’s to the point where barbers are asking me if it’s ok to cut my hair when I specifically came to pay them to cut my hair and one false move and your jumped and attacked by this giant community of people who deviated from the standard which I’m not saying is right or wrong but the standard is the standard so to deviate from the standard and and scream for respect in your circumstances or identity or whatever but then say you just want to be normal it doesn’t make sense especially to expect other people to deviate from there standard on your behalf. I’m not saying it’s right or wrong either way I’m just saying at times I feel pronouns are overwhelming. Either way try not to let it bother you keep being a ray of sunshine love the content and have an amazing day or night 😊
@@skipyou2870treating hetero/cis as the norm or "standard" is homophobic/transphobic. Everything you said stems from that and is, at best, incredibly ignorant and outright wrong. It isn't respectful at all.
I don't know why you ended your comment with "don't let it bother you" when this isn't really about that, but about Koji being a decent person who cares about vulnerable communities, so of course he's going to address the transhobia he witnesses in his chat.
if you look at it, they're the real snowflakes.
Rebellion against social norms will always be contentious. These people demand to be adressed in a different way because of their different self identification. Everyone is usually adressed with pronouns according to the perception of the adressor. Making this demand for different pronouns a demand for special treatment, AKA snowflakes.
You can correct someone about their perception, but that can also be considered unfair criticism in some cases where the identity of the person is intentionally obscured.
They really are! It’s insane how much they project!
It’s honestly ridiculous. They call people snowflakes for respecting pronouns, when they’re getting SO upset over someone saying I go by X pronouns 😭💜
its not the fact that someone is getting upset because someone uses pronouns, its the fact they want you to go out of your way, treat them like they are special and if you dont they are offended.
Rebellion against social norms will always be contentious. These people demand to be adressed in a different way because of their different self identification. Everyone is usually adressed with pronouns according to the perception of the adressor. Making this demand for different pronouns a demand for special treatment, AKA snowflakes.
You can correct someone about their perception, but that can also be considered unfair criticism in some cases where the identity of the person is intentionally obscured.
@@1dimtimno, it’s if you’re clearly being disrespectful towards people who use different pronouns than what YOU think they should have. ❤
Amen, Koji! It's often the ones speaking the loudest on this issue that would be the most offended if someone ever tried to deliberately confuse them with an identity they don't hold. They care about the issue too, they're just too cowardly to understand that it not affecting them as much doesn't mean it doesn't affect others.
I feel like it’s pretty self evident 99% of the time which is why it pisses people off that we have to dance around some bs that only affects 5-10% of the population. Now if buddy had blue hair and a girly voice then i understand clarifying pronouns and all that.
@@austinwilson7565 what do you mean “dance around”?? there's like 7 words extra in his introduction than if he wouldn't say it. “And my pronouns are he and him.”
If you're okay with people assuming default then that's great! Some people might not be okay with that, though, and those people will say their pronouns. Or maybe they're like koji, and want to highlight that this space is inclusive.
@@andermium I think it highlights the hyper sensitive and promotes the average kid watching to think it’s okay to identify as something he or she isn’t, which leads to a deeper issue like kids becoming transgender and ruining their lives before their brain is developed.
@@austinwilson7565not sure where you live, but where i live virtually every form asks for clarification anyway & always has done since as far back as i can remember. like, every application, every school form, every travel document, every legal document, etc. has always asked for clarification on which terms i use & which gender i identify as. my name is pretty widely recognised as being feminine & never once have i scoffed at a form thinking "well, shouldn't it be obvious by my name?!"
so people incorporating this same practice into their everyday language to me is not bothersome at all. if it doesn't affect you, or if you were sure of someone's pronouns & feel it was an unnecessary clarification, that's great. it doesn't harm you at all to have that extra clarification. but it actively helps those who get misgendered, or perhaps are unsure of someone's pronouns, feel safe & feel like they can be a real part of the conversation. normalise being kind & making space for everyone, even when you think there's no direct benefit to yourself.
@@austinwilson7565 you know how people say "bless you" when they sneeze, even though it's extra words and people aren't actually superstitious about the devil or whatever coming to get us when we do that anymore? it's called a courtesy, and we all appreciate it when someone offers us that courtesy. this is like that. it's a newer cultural tradition that's being introduced by younger folk who want to be courteous and respectful to everyone and ensure that conversations are smooth sailing. it's as easy and natural as "bless you."
Thank you, Koji! 💕 This is exactly the kind of respectful and compassionate mindset I hope that one day, just about everyone will have about pronouns and trans people. Until then, I am so happy that you are one of the folks who trans people can trust and be safe around.
I’m not trans myself, but I am part of the queer community, and it makes me so disappointed in other people when they clearly can’t be bothered to do any research about what actually benefits trans people. Social acceptance and gender affirming care are recommended by literally every major medical and psychological association. It just shows that those people would rather double down on hateful ignorance than open themselves up to kindness and respect. Don’t let them get under your skin. With any luck, they will figure it out eventually.
koji’s plays video games but has the most respectful attitude and views
Koji is the nicest person ever. I saw a video where he asked for people to subscribe to him (which is usually such an ick) but he was just so sweet about it, I just subscribed… 😅 He must be protected at all costs.
Imagine if somebody was like "Hi my name's Michael, but you can call me Mike" and people were like "YOU HAVE A NICKNAME??!?? OUTRAGEOUS!!" Pronouns are the same; they're just words we use to refer to people, and there's no reason people shouldn't be able to choose what words they're referred to with
Exactly, I agree with you. I can choose what pronouns I want and you can choose whether or not you want to use them. They're preferred pronouns it's not like I'm forcing you to use them.
But to get pissed and go on a rant when someone uses the wrong pronoun that never met you before is fine? No. It’s not.
@@tonygov I’m not saying that. There are people on both sides who need to grow up because they had a bad experience with extremists on the other side and assume everyone on that side is like that (Aka the composition fallacy). Almost no one is arguing that getting mad at a stranger for not knowing your pronouns immediately is fine.
For a lot of people I feel like they are just annoyed by the portrayed image of pronouns being like this ridiculous thing that anybody can identify as anything.
Like I get thinking calling someone who identifys as a dog like idk xyiu/xjiuf is weird (I still don't get why u would actually get upset and care about that) but people not being comfortable with their born gender is literally a scientific reality. I don't think its a problem at all to not always state your pronouns, but being upset if somebody does is so pointless. It takes like 2 seconds.
I was scrolling the comments for a while and I’m actually so done with making responses. I had no idea that USING THE CORRECT PRONOUNS (literal grammar) is considered “controlling behavior” by these… wow, I really want to call them snowflakes, ironic. People don’t seem to understand that pronouns are basically mini names, and their stance is pretty much “if you tell me your name is Sarah you are trying to remove my right to free speech and secretly trying to control everyone’s behavior to your liking”
People don't get that they aren't being forced to use our pronouns, it's like a nickname it's what we prefer and we get that respect is earned not demanded. Some other parts of the community are the reason we get hate, it's always the minority.
@@maddenbanh8033 I mean using the correct pronouns for someone is the most basic level of respect that no one should have to “earn” so idk what you’re on about. If I meet a random lady on the street I’m not calling her “he” just because she hasn’t earned my respect yet. I’m calling her “she” because that’s the basic level of respect you give every human, calling them the correct name
@@poppyseed799 the only meaningful correct name is our actual names, not some pronouns. People shouldn't have to abide by pronouns, that's why they're called preferred pronouns. I myself would use correct pronouns however, many others simply decide they don't want to be a part of what we're doing and you have to respect that as well.
@@maddenbanh8033 ?????????????? What is bro on about rn. Pronouns aren’t some new little thing that LGBT people just invented it’s a part of our language. What do you mean it’s optional and we understand if people don’t use them?? I feel like you replied to my original comment acting like you agreed with me when you clearly don’t know what I meant by it.
@@poppyseed799 it isn't something that was just invented. But it's still a choice that you must respect, did you decide to just not read my comment? It's very optional and you can't just force somebody because it's required they have a basic level of respect, if you can even define that.
People should be respectful for everyone’s desired pronouns. Especially if they are being chill about it.
was a bit worried when i saw the title, but you did good!
Same same
omg yeah. I wouldn't believe he made it ambiguous on purpose, so it's funny it ended up that way
I will admit I got tired of the pronoun games when I was targeted for saying literally what you did which made me lol! I once said “Hey guys” in a chat online & was basically told off for the general term of “guys” when simply saying hello to a group. I’m old, a female, & have literally always swapped he/she in error in conversation. I remember my bf in high school saying “he said damnit he said” when he finally got fed up with my brain mixing them up when speaking. Just adding this to say some of us are doing the best we can to get it right & I understand the frustration when people get them wrong from experience. I think both sides can make assumptions against intentions & take it too far. We should all just try to be kinder online! Be like Koji! 💜
This is a reminder to watch you on Twitch more as I mostly catch you on youtube. You are a great person and I love your personality.
W Koji. I never understand people who get pissed off at stuff like this. As if you're somehow hurting them by informing them how to refer to you?
People don't need to believe in gender. If you force pronouns on them, they will feel that a gender ideology/religion is imposed on them like Christiniaty once was or like Islam constantly is in some places. I won't use "preferred pronouns" as much as I won't say Christ is my saviour or Allah is the only god. Thanks, but no.
“When did people lose the ability to be resectful.” Most people never had it my man.
this is why we love koji
I completely agree- respect other people and be completely kind. The issue happens when the use of a person’s preferred pronouns goes against someone’s fundamental belief system. It’s hard for one to abandon their values that they live their life based on, you know?
I'm pretty sure it's people who doesn't like change very much. "When I learned how to greet people, we only used 'they' when there were more than one person" or something like that. They are used to assuming based on context. It's one thing to correct someone like "Ah, I'm actually a girl" and then it's all fine. People seem fine with that. I'm sure the people offended by people saying "I'm He/Him" feel like it's obvious. "Yeah, I can see/hear that; I'm not blind/deaf".
Personally, when someone deviates from the norm, I get corrected and that's fine. I assume based on appearance and voice but if I'm corrected, I keep to it best I can. I will make mistakes but that's nothing new. It's honestly a niche to worry about pronouns in the world. It's still not as widespread as it's believed to be. I know several trans people and I trip up on pronouns every once in a while. Mostly because of how I hear their voices but also because of how I knew them before the transitions. I try, though.
I ❤ u Koji. Thx for being inclusive as always.
Exactly! They just hate that you’d be respectful to someone’s pronouns that they don’t believe should have said pronouns but you’re 100% right, they would be livid if they themself were miss-pronouned! Hate is an ugly thing to see and be around.
so fucking trueee, if u "dont have pronouns" and also get mad when ur called a girl then wtf?
My thing is, why do you have to announce it when 99% of individuals will call you he/ him without even thinking?
I subscribed a couple hours ago because i was watching an among us vid and im so glad i did ☺️
you're a real one for this man. if anything, getting upset about someone else's pronouns is snowflake energy 😂
i honestly don't care about pronouns, but whatever, people wants to use it, or not, has nothing to do with me. i don't need to be rude or judge it. basic courtesy to another human beings. You're doing great Koji!
There’s a reason you were my comfort streamer ❤ (haven’t been able to watch for like 2yrs now bc life bug still miss hanging out with your streams!)
Koji is just such a wholesome guy.
Exactly! Like it isn't that hard to be respectful
I wasn’t sure what to expect at first but this is the wholesome Koji have come to expect and appreciate the content of for sure.
Smart words, dude. Thank you for getting it and standing up against bigots and haters. I use they/them pronouns, so it means a lot to me.
Everyone uses pronouns. Yours are masculine based a cisgender if you would. I'm sorry you have to have these types of ppl raiding you. You deserve all the love! Keep doing what you do best!
You're a good one, Koji. I don't fully understand people and their pronouns, but I don't have to understand it to be kind and courteous.
I was worried it was going to be bad with that title but I remain a happy trans koji subscriber :D
Tbh, I get it. I never introduce myself with my name, only a nickname, if I meet people for the first time. And just how I care about being called something other than my assigned at birth name, when spoken to directly, other people care about being adressed with specific pronouns, assigned at birth or not, when spoken about to others.
Personally idgaf what pronouns people use when talking about me, especially online, but then I also tend to run under a genderless screen name, so, unless they know at least a little bit about me personally, how would they know wether that barnacle is he she or they?
It's harder to learn peoples names than wich out of a still pretty limited range of pronouns they choose.
And if respecting pronouns is a dealbreaker for some people, good riddance.
Because people dont want to continue others delusion, its that simple. When it comes to people disrespecting others, its EXTENSIVELY disrespectful to force your world view on another, especially your viewership.
You tell em Koji! Sorry you've had to deal with some bad attitudes, but it's good to know that doesn't let you down
I was worried for a sec
literally EVERYONE has pronouns
Love a good rant over a salad!
Because the internet is anonymous and there's no repercussions for being rude and unkind because to them, kindness is work.
Me personally I don’t hate pronouns I just hate them being shoved in my face all the time
Amen preach it brother!
The ones that have the most problems with pronouns are the ones that get upset if you use the wrong one when first meeting them. If you want respect you must show some. If you look female or male I’ll use the appropriate pronouns. If you get upset about that, then that’s all on you.
Being respectful to the ridiculous isn’t sensible or sustainable long term. It adds to and causes more damage
Since when was the concept of pronouns ridiculous, it’s existed for ages. Unless you suggest we remove them entirely and refer to people only as their names. poppyseed thinks this would be very weird but poppyseed doesn’t think pedrobandito would really care as pedrobandito doesn’t seem to understand what a pronoun is and what Koji meant by this. But if pedrobandito thinks the way poppyseed is talking right now is better than using pronouns then poppyseed guesses humanity can stop using pronouns.
You're 100 percent right!
@@poppyseed799 Yes, pronouns have existed perfectly well before the gender ideology turned a pure grammatical thing into a nonsense. Pronouns should be used accordingly, regardless of what someone prefers. Men are he's, women are she's, plural is they. That's all in modern English for 3d person.
Rebellion against social norms will always be contentious. These people demand to be adressed in a different way because of their different self identification. Everyone is usually adressed with pronouns according to the perception of the adressor. Making this demand for different pronouns a demand for special treatment, AKA snowflakes.
You can correct someone about their perception, but that can also be considered unfair criticism in some cases where the identity of the person is intentionally obscured.
Good to know there are people who understand that. Hopefully, more people will see your comment and have a thought, unless it's too wordy for some - I've seen gender ideologues claiming not to have ability to read past four words like "trans women are women" or other meaningless mantras.
Another Koji W
And I identify as a rabbit.
It costs nothing to be a decent human being
Yes, so just be decent and don't force people to follow gender ideology according to wishes of some people with "preferred pronouns".
Koji, you gorgeous bearded dragon… is it possible to love you and your content even more?
Extremely common koji W, this is why you are the best streamer, you don't just play mindlessly but you're smart and have a kind heart ❤️ I'm really proud of you for making this vid, you knew you'd get negative comments from that kind of people, but you did it anyway bc it's important, so thank you love
Thanks, Koji ❤
exactly
I love you SO much for this, Koj!! Massive W.
Love you Koji 💞💞💞💞
100% agree!
Is that a BMW shirt!? 😂
I’m just going to refer to everyone as it. It’s gender neutral
I think the frustration is from being told how to speak/act. I don’t want to be rude or disrespectful towards another person, if I call you he and you correct me to they that’s not a big deal I might mess up but I’ll try my best to use your preferred pronoun. I think people just get tired of being bombarded with being told how to speak and act like I haven’t even spoken to you yet and you’re already telling me how to behave. This is just my opinion, I could be wrong or change my mind but I think some of the annoyance is when a person has pronouns in like a signature or puts it out there in some way before you even speak to them and the pronouns match what is their perceived gender it just gets repetitive and can be annoying. People don’t like being told or reminded all the time that they are wrong or bad in some way we all just trying to live happy lives if your pronouns are ze, they, or whatever and you tell me in person hey I’d prefer if you refer to me as such I will 100% try my best to honor that. It’s when people try to make you feel bad for speaking in a way that’s been normal all your life that it gets frustrating.
I don't understand how having pronouns in a signature or bio is annoying. It's similar to their name: "Refer to me at this." If a cis, fem-presenting woman has "she/her" in her signature or bio, I truly don't understand why anyone would be like "LOL DUH." Just move on? Why allow that energy to take over? If the frustration is being told how to "speak/act" then I have to ask: why is someone asking you to respect them so frustrating?
If someone telling you what pronouns they use is telling you how to behave then by that logic any time someone says anything about them, it means they’re telling you how to behave. You wouldn’t say someone introducing their name or their occupation is forcing you to behave in a certain way.
@@jenibeanie no neither of those things force you to behave a certain way I agree, but say that person is a doctor and they want you to refer to them as Dr. such and such that would be them forcing their will on you to refer to them as they please. Inherently you telling another human being how they are allowed and not allowed to interact with you will be met with some resistance in some cases. As I said I have no issue using some ones preferred pronouns it’s not that big a deal. I feel that the reason some people get frustrated is the fact they are being told how to act, and that how they have acted all their life is in someway wrong now, life is about change I don’t mind adapting to change but to be confused as to why some people might get frustrated with it I think is foolish.
@@felyne. someone asking them to respect them isn’t the frustrating part, I feel as though the frustrating part is by you telling that person no what you think is wrong and what you’ve done all your life is wrong I’m right and this is now how you have to behave. I again really have zero issue with calling someone whatever pronoun they want it’s not a huge deal, I’m trying to explain why someone essentially being told they are wrong and they have to do things according some other person could be considered frustrating to people. Change isn’t something that has ever historically been easy and not met with some level of resistance.
@@Macattack1023 I still don't see where you're coming from. What about telling pronouns in introductions is saying that you've got bad behaviour and have to change your life? I can see how someone asking to be called Dr. might feel controlling, but even that is just explaining the way they prefer to be addressed. It's not about calling people bad, it's about creating a more inclusive space. Maybe the online examples you've seen went too far, but social media tends to exaggerate everything on both extremes of a spectrum, so that is not the default.
Love you koji
EXACTLY.
People want you to respect their pronouns, but also don’t want you to know them, so in other words people with stupid pronouns are requesting disrespect
W Koji.
Have always loved how you just drop in your pronouns for raiders! Normalises the action for everybody else and also is just super helpful if anyone wants to talk about you in chat 😋
Everybody has pronouns! 10/10 rant, being nice is free 🩷
Being mean is also free, its a matter of mentality
KOJI..... my brother in christ we already know your HIM thats why lol
Safe to say if you look like your pronouns, you don't need to announce them. 😂😂
as a trans fan, this made me super happy to see! keep being amazing koji 🏳️⚧️
What even… now people complain about having pronouns???
facts koji!!
pronouns are important because we would not be able to understand each other without them
Yes, that's why we have 'she' for women and girls, 'he' for boys and men, 'they' for plural (or when we are not sure of the person's sex or the person is hypothetical). Easy-peasy. Why complicate it?
Personally I think the concept of gender is dumb. People shouldn't feel forced to conform to any gender stereotypes. Gender is a social construct. It's not "real". There are 0 genders. Gendered language isn't necessary and IMO everyone should just be they/them. But I'm not an asshole so I don't force my beliefs on other people and if they want to be referred to as a specific pronoun, much like preferring a specific name, that's what I'll go with.
yes but its a fact that there are biological gender, thats not arguable
when you say gendered langauge do you mean like in English or like in Spanish and French where nouns have "gender"?
@@billiamswartz2355 I mean specifically in English. Romance languages are obviously built upon gendered concepts, so you'd have to fundamentally change the language to make it gender nuetral, but I'd still argue that gendered language isn't something that's needed in language. Imagine if there were a language that had pronouns based on the color of the subject's skin. It'd be a somewhat useful tool for distinguishing between two different subjects the same way that 'he' and 'she' are used in english, but it'd would be a very culturally insensitive and biased way of speaking for very little gain in ease of use.
But in this way you are allowing yourself to be gaslit. Because they say it's about being respectful, while in fact, you are showing you bought the gender ideology, which is becoming more and more dangerous. Fortunately, GC movement helped to fight it back, so hopefully, we'll be back to normal status quo in a few years. It's not being an asshole to say 'preferred pronouns' are bullshit. If you think gender ideology is stupid, be open about it and speak your mind without bowing to the mob.
It just reminds people of forced speech. It’s not about respect, it’s about controlling behavior. And there are many that believe you and other good thoughtful people have been duped. “OMG someone I enjoy is a useful idiot.”. And not many that react negatively care about their personal pronouns, call them whatever you feel is right. It’s the cultural movement, and the perceived authoritarianism from the militant parts of the + community.
I say it’s fine to respect their decisions to be called certain pronouns but when it comes down to laws it becomes a problem. That’s the only time it becomes a problem personally. On a day to day just making somebody feel comfortable isn’t a big deal.
This ties into the transgender debates quite closely, because if someone refuses to call a trans person by their preferred pronouns, it becomes a hate crime because we have irrefutable evidence that this sort of hate crime leaves people depressed, trans or not. Thus it is an act of violence. Which is why it needs to become law. Not necessarily putting people in prison, but fining, tracking, etc. There is a thing called equal punishment which I think would be beneficial a lot more nower days.
@@HYPERPEACE (just to clarify the tone of this message, I am not being rude/belligerent, I am genuinely trying to understand more about your stance) Do you think the same things about bullying/calling people rude nicknames/any other form of verbal harrassment? That anyone who does those things should get put on a watchlist? That seems very harsh
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I think people having different pronouns should mention theirs otherwise then just assume he/him she/her they/them .
IMO
No one has a pronoun. They are words. You can't have them. I don't owe anybody to use "their" pronouns.
I find it ironic that people want to be called by "the correct pronoun", but also have the ability to choose an incorrect pronoun....
I'd like to ask since I'm not a native english speaker... why do you guys not just reuse the real gender neutral singular pronouns? I think english had it too back in the past, was it thy/thee/thou?
@@versuzzero5335 thy/thee/thou are second person pronouns (you), not third person pronouns (he/she)
@@mattpenkoks3494
My native language doesn't have gendered pronouns but we have gender neutral singular third person pronouns and plural third person pronouns instead, which is much better. English only have gender neutral plural pronouns and is also being used as gender neutral singular pronoun, it will get confusing in some situations. That's my main gripe about calling someone they/them...
@@versuzzero5335 you are correct, it causes confusion because it is the incorrect use of words. Which language do you speak? I wasn't aware of any languages with neutral third person pronouns. Do nouns have gender in your native language? (A lot of European languages have gendered nouns and sometimes that affects the adjective as well)
@@mattpenkoks3494
siya = he/she ; sila = they
niya = him/her ; nila = them
kanya = his/hers : kanila = theirs
I think this is the direct word translation.
This is tagalog/filipino
Some words are from spanish, like lamesa for table, la is feminine in spanish but we aren't taught it's feminine, it's just a word for table. I think it's silly putting gender on inanimate objects.
Pronouns really aren’t that big of a deal. And to the people who say they don’t have pronouns? Yeah you do, how else would someone say “I saw him at the gym yesterday”?! I ain’t using your name every time I’m referring to you 😭
Personally I get confused over the they/them because I think of a group and not an individual. Anything other than she/her and he/him is confusing to me and people have tried to explain it but I just don’t get it and you can’t get upset about it 🤷♀️ The equivalent is someone not understanding how technology works and no matter how you put it, they just won’t understand it.
I’ve been waiting for someone to make a video like this, perhaps I should finally put my own thoughts into the world too? I’m scared that my channel will get taken down or something silly because I’m not allowed to have an opinion 💀
They/them works because it's the only gender neutral pronoun at the moment. It's not just there to describe a group. Obviously you're entitled to your opinion, free speech after all (Hopefully not hate speech). We live in a world where we understand ourselves better than ever before, which is why it can be overwhelming. Didn't know I was pansexual until much later into life.
@@HYPERPEACEDefinitely not hate speech from my end! I just find it hard to understand LGBTQ things. If you don’t try to force me to do things then I’m fine, but personally I keep what goes on in the bedroom to myself and my partner because it’s private information and the world doesn’t need to know what I’m into
The reason is all the weird pronouns people insist on being called like pupself and there's also the people who are really rude about it or they think they're the top of the world because they have pronouns or the people who only change pronouns to feel special.
Also it can be a big deal for people who are very literal in the way they speak and write.
They/them pronouns defy English.
It/its pronouns defy English and morals
No pronouns defies English and make communication unnecessarily tedious.
I know when people wanted me to switch to they/them it caused me to start studying because my brain struggles with it. I've met people who go by He/They and i lose my ability to talk entirely because my brain can't calculate switching him and they in conversation. I am physically incapable of it. Which goes far beyond respect/common decency
My reasons are different from the reasons in the video (which its actually valid to rant about reasons like that) but there are reasons i don't like them.
That generalization about he/hims is also uncalled for.
Ayyy I have no idea what he/she/it/they has to complain about....
I was referring to the hater😅
the only pronoun I need to refer to you is 'you'. the pronouns you give will only be used while you're not around. why would you even care what pronouns people use while you're not around? who gives you the right to impose grammar changes on others? it's utterly selfish and narcissistic. you do you. don't expect others to play your games
THIS IS THE WILDEST TAKE I’VE EVER SEEN IN MY LIFE LMAOOOOOO first of all you can easily be in chat and talking to other chatters about Koji and therefore want to know his pronouns and second of all LMAOOOOO “imposing grammar changes” CHANGES FROM WHAT???? WERE YOU CALLING HIM SHE???? He was literally just informing you on what the correct option would be, it’s true that he can’t control what you say in private but he was never trying to, just letting you know what the correct pronouns to use are so you don’t look like you don’t know him at all! You certainly have the freedom to look like an idiot in private. He’s just ranting about people who get viscerally offended by just kindly informing new people as to what the correct pronouns are, much like you, who apparently thinks being informed is a violation of the right to free speech.
Well, if that's the case, then I am officially only referring to you (@Belsnikel) as Katherine whenever you are not around
If only it was just grammar. It's ideology.
pronouns are to be used when you are not face to face, you are wanting you force speech when you are not present.
Exactly.
Good for you taking the time to do this.
Too many people try so very hard to be a-political as content creators, which just normalizes the idea that its not ok to talk about politics.
But even worse it normalizes people being right (by societal standards) when they get challenged on their values and get upset about it.
Respect is earned not given ,
They're not asking you for praise, they're just asking you to be polite. Please don't use this quote as an excuse not to show common decency.
@@someguy2819 I'm polite to people that are polite to me , I said respect not praise
@@peterrowley6016 I'm sorry, but are you implying they're being impolite? Because they're just asking you to use their preferred pronouns on their own stream.
@@someguy2819 Not sure if your looking for offense where there is none , I said I'm polite to people who are polite to me , but judging from your comment I guessing that you are always looking for 'offense"
@@peterrowley6016 Okay, but when you say that under a video of someone asking for respect in the comments, and then you say 'respect is earned, not given', you do see how that comes across, right? That essentially acknowledging their identity is conditional or something that needs to be justified or earned. Would you not give them the benefit of the doubt?
It is a big deal to have our language policed.
You are right. Preferred pronouns are bullshit.
Common Koji W, as it were
Idk it's a kinda silly subject, like people should care about the game not who or what playing the game, let's stick with my name is and nice to meet you.
Pronouns are words. The speaker chooses the words that they believe best fit.
If you think it is a "respect" issue, then see how disrespectful it is to take away another person's autonomy by gaslighting them into thinking they have to use words based on what someone else wants.
Btw, I won't be bothered by a person who uses their life experiences to determine which pronouns they choose to use when addressing me. If they use inappropriate pronouns, it is likely a mistake(rarely happens) or they are intentionally using pronouns that are the exact opposite of what they know are appropriate just to attempt to get a rise. Wither way, I won't be bothered. I choose not to give that kind of power over me to other people.
This issue is quite an interesting one, and it seems to generate big emotional reactions from both sides. Here are the two main arguments:
From the left: Gender is a social construct, so we can choose who we want to be, including changing gender and pronouns.
From the right: Gender is based on science, and is binary. You can't decide to be something you're not, reality and truth is not what you want it to be, it just is.
Where the issue gets nasty is in the opposition between the groups around this idea. Usually the critique from both sides are:
From the left: Just respect people and be kind, it's not hard to be a good person. It's implied that they are not if they refuse, which is guilt-tripping.
From the right: I don't have to respect your delusions and play pretend with you. They don't care to hurt other people's feelings, which is callous.
I fall somewhere in between the two, but a bit more on the right.
I respect people's choices to decide what they want for themselves, especially if they are an adult, but I respect truth and words too much to call a man: a woman (for example). I would probably not take kindly to someone trying to force me to call them something, and guilt tripping me if I didn't. Rights ends where other's liberties start, this sort of idea.
You can do whatever you want to you, your body, but not to others, you don't have that right.
To clear up some misinformation, gender is not biological. Sex is biological. Sex and gender are different - they correlate but one does not cause the other. "I respect truth and words" If you did you would know the difference between sex and gender.
Additionally, no one is "forcing" you to do anything. If someone says, "My pronouns are actually he/him, and I would appreciate it if you referred to me as such." and you simply decide to not do so, then it's just a matter of disrespect. I don't believe that person should continue to ask you to do something you choose not to do, however, I do believe that person has the right to no longer interact with someone who doesn't respect them on a basic, human level.
Trans men are men. Trans women are women. Non-binary folks are human. It's really not that hard to be kind & respectful. :)
@@felyne. I rest my case.
@@Kavriel ... Ok Jan.
Where do intersex people fit in your "scientific" binary? Nature/biology is not as black and white as you think and you don't have the knowledge to discuss gender vs sex as adamantly as you do
@@felyne. I feel like "man" and "woman" typically are used to refer to biological sex, not gender
You people talk and care about pronouns like is a nobility title that's why is so annoying.
Forced speech based on delusional thinking...end of story...how about we just dont talk to each other...there, problem solved🙄
Why the fuck did CZcams put this shit in my fucking feed?
If it were just he/him she/her, it would be fine, but it's the fact that the pronoun game has turned into such a....chaotic mess.
its really not a “chaotic mess”. im sorry youre too slow to understand how simple pronouns are
@@dawnofketro It's the ones like zed and that that's crazy. He/she/them isn't the problem. Not to mention the hypocrisy of many that demand their pronouns to be used and respected, yet absolutely refuse to accept those who use pronouns against what they want.
Do you react that way each time you learn a new word?
@@requiem-girl You want respect, you earn it. You don't get it just because you demand it.
@@jedimasters1462 Strawman. Has nothing to do with the topic at hand or the question I asked.
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