Let's Talk About Singular They.

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  • čas přidán 20. 06. 2024
  • A sequel to: • In Defence of Grammati...
    Thanks to my patrons!!
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    Special thanks to Calvin for pestering me until I made this video.
    Sources:
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    Baron, D. (1986). Grammar and Gender. New Haven.
    Baron, D. (2018). A brief history of singular ‘they’. Oxford English Dictionary Blogs.
    Fisher, A. (1745). A New Grammar [2nd ed. 1750]. Newcastle upon Tyne.
    Gerner, J. (1998). Singular and Plural Anaphors of Indefinite Personal Pronouns in Spoken British English. Corpora Galore: Analyses and Techniques in Describing English: Papers from the Nineteenth International Conference on English Language Research on Computerised Corpora.
    Graham, S. (2001). Sulawesi's fifth gender. Inside Indonesia.
    McWhorter, J. (2013). The Royal They: Fighting against the tyranny of pronouns. The New Republic.
    LaScotte, D. (2016). Singular they: An Empirical Study of Generic Pronoun Use. American Speech. 91 (1): 62-80.
    Miller, C. & Swift, K. (1980). The Handbook of Nonsexist Writing. New York. Harper & Row.
    Safire, W. (1985). On Language; You Not Tarzan, Me Not Jane. The New York Times.
    Wagner, S. (2003). Gender in English Pronouns: Myth and Reality. University of Freiburg.
    (1881). Detroit Free Press. May 13 edition.
    (2018). Collins COBUILD English Dictionary.
    (2022). they. The American Heritage Dictionary of the English Language.
    Constitution of the United States of America. Article 1 §2.
    Literary examples of the singular “they”:
    Austen, Jane. (1814). Mansfield Park.
    Shakespeare, William. (p. 1623). The Comedy of Errors.
    Shaw, George Bernard. (1898). Plays Pleasant and Unpleasant.
    Anonymous writer. (c.1350). William and the Werewolf. Translated c. 1350-1375 to English from the original French written c. 1200.
    NOTES FROM VIDEO:
    [Note 1] When I say “is from”, I am arguing purely from a synchronic perspective - I mean it as a shorthand for the fact that the plural mixed gender and plural masculine are the same, and distinct from the plural feminine in French. I am not making an argument from etymology here.
    [Note 2] Wagner argues that “the choice of a supposedly masculine personal pronoun (him) said nothing about the gender or sex of the referent” in Middle English. However, I would argue that the association with the masculine over the feminine still applies. Wagner herself writes that this pronoun can be used for any combination of the genders “masculine” and “neuter”, or sexes “male” and “asexual”, deliberately excluding the “feminine” or “female”. Despite being gender-neutral in some contexts, this pronoun was never epicene, not even in Middle English.
    [Note 3] Note, of course, that “man” was originally the word for “human”, and only later came to mean “male adult”. In Old English, “man” was “wer”, and “woman” was “wif”.
    [Note 4] Joke.
    [Note 5] Note the significantly lower percentages found only three years earlier, in Erdmann (1995), with singular “they” only being used in just under 50% of cases. This study was, firstly, done on Americans, who may be more biased against the singular “they”, and was also a study of written language, reflecting how the singular “they” is often seen as too informal by publishers, and therefore either avoided by authors, or changed by the editors.
    [Note 6] Actually, in the examples given from Shakespeare’s Comedy of Errors and Austen’s Mansfield Park, the gender of the referent is known (masculine in the former case, feminine in the latter), but an epicene pronoun is used regardless. Go figure.
    [Note 7] I am aware that people have been identifying as non-binary for a long time, even in Europe and colonial America. The sociology and history of this is worth looking into, but I am personally less interested in it and therefore didn’t want to go into the topic in the video.
    [Note 8] When it is a subject, this “sie/Sie” can be separated out into “she/feminine it” with the 3rd person singular verb ending, and “they/you” with the 3rd person plural verb ending. In the dative, the same split accords, as the former take the dative “ihr” and the latter the dative “ihnen/Ihnen”. When in the accusative or genitive, there is no difference in spoken language between the four. However, in writing, the formal “you” is distinguished from the others because it, and all its forms, are capitalised.
    Chapters:
    0:00 - The Epicene “They”
    2:48 - The Generic “He”
    5:28 - The Non-Binary “They”
    7:21 - Credits
    Written and Created by me
    Art by kvd102
    Music by me
    Translations:
    Ferr - Indonesian
    D'ignoranza & Marco Lisoni - Italian
    Leeuwe van den Heuvel - Dutch
    Gergő Kulman - Hungarian
    Ray Karr - Spanish
    Ollie - French
    千雨 Chisame - Standard Mandarin, Japanese
    Risto Kynkäänniemi - Finnish
    Jafar - Arabic
    Natália - Portuguese
    Álftanes - Cantonese
    Maymun - Turkish
    Eneko Andonegi - Basque
    Kantoros1 - Czech
    Mihaela Modic - Slovene
    defr - Korean
    #theythem #nonbinary #pronouns

Komentáře • 13K

  • @appa609
    @appa609 Před rokem +17375

    pronouns don't need to exist

    • @youtubewontletmehaveaonewo2471
      @youtubewontletmehaveaonewo2471 Před rokem +6551

      correct but they're useful
      its easier to say one word instead of always specifying what you're talking about
      i even used three pronouns in this comment

    • @kklein
      @kklein  Před rokem +9193

      no more pronouns

    • @MXY...
      @MXY... Před rokem +3887

      let's all speak like UK roadmen and use the word "man" to replace 1st 2nd & 3rd person pronouns

    • @eestimarksist
      @eestimarksist Před rokem +1899

      me when pronouns 😡

    • @MrMineHeads.
      @MrMineHeads. Před rokem +2349

      @@youtubewontletmehaveaonewo2471 this person used a pronoun and now should be cancelled

  • @tealsummernights
    @tealsummernights Před rokem +8047

    It’s also fun to point out that singular they is older than singular you.

    • @MXY...
      @MXY... Před rokem +61

      wha?

    • @isabellach
      @isabellach Před rokem +1001

      @@MXY... yeah, people go on and say how new it is and don't care about you.
      Edit: you *pronouns* sorry. People do care about you

    • @MXY...
      @MXY... Před rokem +415

      @@isabellach thanks for the edit I would have been very confused

    • @riccardozanoni2531
      @riccardozanoni2531 Před rokem +218

      @@isabellach 🤣that was amazing to read

    • @xcreeperbombx61
      @xcreeperbombx61 Před rokem +202

      @@MXY... I think it was thou singular & you plural, which became thou informal & you formal, which became you always. Also makes it funny that people use thou formally when trying to sound old-timey.

  • @Safesi1509
    @Safesi1509 Před rokem +8119

    If people think pronouns are confusing wait until you hear about... Verbs.

    • @luckycharms_
      @luckycharms_ Před rokem +569

      What is a verb!!! I've only heard about these gosh darn pronouns😡

    • @iampancak3
      @iampancak3 Před rokem +78

      @@luckycharms_ 😂

    • @luckycharms_
      @luckycharms_ Před rokem +141

      @@iampancak3 ur username is cool but I like waffles😔💔

    • @iampancak3
      @iampancak3 Před rokem +146

      @@luckycharms_ I'm a traitor to my own kind, I also like waffles 😭

    • @the_demon149
      @the_demon149 Před rokem +170

      Exactly! People say pronouns are confusing… it’s like they don’t even know what prepositions are! (They probably don’t.)

  • @dented_riddles9967
    @dented_riddles9967 Před rokem +2947

    I don't have an opinion on the singular they, but I do think it's funny how often people accidentally use it when they're decrying its use.

    • @user-bz3kd2mt3u
      @user-bz3kd2mt3u Před rokem +571

      It's one of my favorite types of transphobe self-own.
      Another fun one is that when you see a transphobe saying "WE CAN ALWAYS TELL," you can reply with a picture of a cis woman, imply she's a trans woman, and be like "you REALLY think she doesn't look like a woman?" and they'll rattle off like 5 ways that that CISGENDER WOMAN is obviously a man in a dress.
      Usually you want to choose a picture of a famous transphobe, because otherwise it's mean-but on at least one occasion I actually saw someone get tricked into doing it in response to a picture _of herself_

    • @IsaaacWithThreeA
      @IsaaacWithThreeA Před rokem +154

      @@user-bz3kd2mt3u A picture of HERSELF? Is she hiding something?

    • @keit99
      @keit99 Před rokem +86

      What how does someone not recognize an image of themselves 😂

    • @keit99
      @keit99 Před rokem +61

      I wish german had an equivalent of Singular 'they'. If you don't know someone's gender, you could then use that instead of "er oder sie"

    • @clarimp
      @clarimp Před rokem +11

      @@keit99 Doesn't german have "es"? Is it only for things?

  • @moana_nui
    @moana_nui Před rokem +1268

    my māori teacher once marked us wrong because we answered they instead of he/she when translating ia (A GENDER NEUTRAL PRONOUN). So on the next test we answered he/she/zer/fae/er/it/pae/ver. She never marked us wrong again.

    • @angeldude101
      @angeldude101 Před rokem +98

      Gotta be inclusive to those faeries you know? XD

    • @rainboSnails
      @rainboSnails Před rokem +145

      @@angeldude101 fae/faem r actual neopronouns that r pretty popular :D

    • @angeldude101
      @angeldude101 Před rokem +35

      @@rainboSnails (I thought it was fae/faer) I know. It's just that it was the only noun-self pronoun on the list (which does make sense since it is _the_ most popular among the noun-self pronouns.)
      There's also _really_ interesting history linking the fae with the kind of people most likely to use neopronouns like that in the first place. (It's not as pretty as it might sound.)

    • @halfpintrr
      @halfpintrr Před rokem

      @@angeldude101 I never understood why faerie was used as an insult here. Is it because faeries are of the ‘devil’ in old Christian myth?

    • @haotatyan
      @haotatyan Před rokem +9

      Same bro my teached marks me wrong

  • @raidriar01
    @raidriar01 Před rokem +17792

    We should just combine all the major pronouns into “shit” (She, he, it) it would make English class a hell of a lot funnier

  • @catoticneutral
    @catoticneutral Před rokem +2906

    the plural pronoun "y'all" is probably one of the best things to come out of Texas

    • @treesspeaklatin8950
      @treesspeaklatin8950 Před rokem +66

      Agreed

    • @cheesusabidas77
      @cheesusabidas77 Před rokem +89

      i thought Scott the woz invented it

    • @cheesusabidas77
      @cheesusabidas77 Před rokem +9

      @@Carbonara_17 yes

    • @lemonhscott7667
      @lemonhscott7667 Před rokem +63

      I thought y’all was singular and all’y’all was plural

    • @catoticneutral
      @catoticneutral Před rokem +219

      @@lemonhscott7667 You are incorrect. "Y'all" is a conjugation of "You all" so it's inherently plural. "All'y'all" is a conjugation of "All of you all" which is redundant but also feels correct to say sometimes.

  • @yourfriendlyneighbourhoodo436

    The existence of pronouns implies the existence of casual nouns

    • @-bugbite
      @-bugbite Před rokem +2

      🤯

    • @globingoblin
      @globingoblin Před rokem +50

      Noobnouns

    • @paulnewton2284
      @paulnewton2284 Před 8 měsíci +10

      But of course! Casual nouns usually only refer to one or two things, so they only come into play every once in a while. Pronouns though? They gotta cover for everything.

    • @XENOHADES
      @XENOHADES Před 5 měsíci +4

      the transgender competition

    • @alejandromonteroborbon5696
      @alejandromonteroborbon5696 Před 4 měsíci +1

      @@globingoblin Hackernouns

  • @Gensys0
    @Gensys0 Před rokem +689

    You don't know how envious I as a German am of your 'they'. So neutral, so beautiful.

    • @RobespierreThePoof
      @RobespierreThePoof Před rokem +13

      Die deutsches "der/die/das" gefällt mir viel besser. Alles ist immer so klar. Im Englischen gibt es so viele Sätze, in denen nicht klar ist, was der Gegenstand des Pronomens ist. Hier gibt es ein Satz:
      "Suzanne went to the grocery store and pharmacy to buy bananas and condoms. She used them up before she even got home!"
      Now, just WHAT has Suzanne been up to! DId she eat all the bananas? Or did she .. ummm ... use all the condoms on her walk home!?
      Aber auf Deutsch braucht Suzanne ihre Sexualmoral nicht zu verteidigen. Alles ist klar:
      "Suzanne ist zum Lebensmittelladen und zur Apotheke gegangen. Sie kauft ein paar Bananen und eine Schachtel Kondome. Sie hat sie aufgebraucht, bevor sie überhaupt nach Hause kam!“
      Ja, es ist ganz sicher was Suzanne hat gemacht!😅🤣

    • @axain7784
      @axain7784 Před rokem

      Look up the word "Thon". Much better by a landslide in terms of using it for people.

    • @th0rrrrr
      @th0rrrrr Před rokem +50

      @@RobespierreThePoof that doesn't even make sense? How would translating this into German make it more clear? Because I'm a German native speaker who just translated this in his head and it changed nothing.
      (also der/die/das (articles) has nothing to do with the singular they (pronoun)!

    • @wullivieh
      @wullivieh Před rokem +21

      @@RobespierreThePoof As a German, nope, not clear at all just from the "sie". Like the "aufgebraucht" is more of an indicator than the "sie"?

    • @mehornyasfk
      @mehornyasfk Před rokem +2

      How's the Gender Star treating you guys? Has it butchered your once beautiful language yet?

  • @RoninOwin1738
    @RoninOwin1738 Před rokem +2879

    Saying “Someone left their bike here” Feels natural. I’ve never heard anyone say “Someone left his or her bike here”

    • @Liggliluff
      @Liggliluff Před rokem +269

      "A person left the bike here, that belongs to said person"

    • @tea.crystal727
      @tea.crystal727 Před rokem +139

      they can be used for a person you don't know the gender of, like if you see someone online and don't know their gender, you can use they.

    • @eleternauta2640
      @eleternauta2640 Před rokem +14

      Sounds a non english speaker would say

    • @tea.crystal727
      @tea.crystal727 Před rokem +129

      @@eleternauta2640 What's wrong with not speaking english?

    • @tigerguy529
      @tigerguy529 Před rokem +27

      @@tea.crystal727 so... you're still using they/them to refer to a singular person. You can't argue they/them is only used for plural and then use it singularly when the gender is unknown. That's contradictory.

  • @hcos8139
    @hcos8139 Před rokem +9857

    "PeOpLe ARe MakINg NeW PronOunCe NoW" people in 1858: t h o n

    • @Magyar_patriot
      @Magyar_patriot Před rokem

      1 mentally insane person*

    • @arandomsupra
      @arandomsupra Před rokem +403

      **Makes random letter with complex set of rules for when to use it for no reason at all**

    • @user-qd8yy9lc4g
      @user-qd8yy9lc4g Před rokem +1038

      "he"
      - associated with having facial hair
      "T H O N"
      - powerful consonant
      - deep vowel
      - pronounced like impending doom manifesting at once
      - personal pronoun you want to use for a sapient monolith

    • @L0rdOfThePies
      @L0rdOfThePies Před rokem +201

      @@user-qd8yy9lc4g you make a good point, added to my vocabulary and list of pronouns

    • @viceconsulimhotepienenobed1573
      @viceconsulimhotepienenobed1573 Před rokem +109

      @@user-qd8yy9lc4g I now know how to corectly refere to sentient monolyths.
      Thon is also the French for thuna.

  • @DDProCo
    @DDProCo Před 11 měsíci +151

    Imma start using thon/thonself to annoy my dad and when he complains, ‘1858!’

    • @globingoblin
      @globingoblin Před 11 měsíci +46

      This is literally 1858 by George Orwell

    • @Doopen
      @Doopen Před 5 dny

      when thon complains

  • @mayfielcl
    @mayfielcl Před rokem +828

    I am french and when we were like 8 our teacher told us about « ils » being masculine but used for women too even if there are 1 man and 100 women we GASPED🤣

    • @globingoblin
      @globingoblin Před rokem +121

      Same in Spanish, awful

    • @Bjlogna
      @Bjlogna Před rokem +47

      yeah, i'm learning french and the gender rules can be pretty confusing. i know that some people have been using iel as the epicine singular but idk if iels has caught on yet

    • @nhasirduck3500
      @nhasirduck3500 Před rokem +14

      I remember being taught the exact same thing, with the exact same example lol

    • @xylophone_8888
      @xylophone_8888 Před rokem +43

      it's similar in russian, if there's a man in a group of two people you have to say "оба" (masculine both) instead of "обе" (feminine both)
      to me that never felt right though so i just use "обои" in everyday speech which technically translates to wallpaper and is grammatically incorrect but is not gendered at least lmao

    • @SCP-173peanut
      @SCP-173peanut Před rokem +15

      @@globingoblin why is It awful

  • @HlessthanBs
    @HlessthanBs Před rokem +6283

    Thinking back to when I did mock trial in highschool and our team was chastised by one of the judges for referring to a witness by the "Liberal pronoun 'they'"

    • @_blank-_
      @_blank-_ Před rokem +116

      Hope he sentenced y'all to juvie

    • @grendy558
      @grendy558 Před rokem +949

      That's fucked up

    • @Toothily
      @Toothily Před rokem +782

      Welp, conservatives getting tilted

    • @actualgoblin
      @actualgoblin Před rokem +54

      i would be so embarrassed

    • @duane6386
      @duane6386 Před rokem +486

      Imagine if there were pronouns which indicated political ideology

  • @Abd121
    @Abd121 Před rokem +15743

    As an English teacher, it's been almost my life's mission to reclaim the legitimacy of Singular they! I've genuinely had fights with district managers who wanted me to not talk about it in fear of some parent thinking I'm teaching kids about "twitter pronouns"

    • @kklein
      @kklein  Před rokem +2658

      good stuff, I wish you luck out there

    • @yoavco99
      @yoavco99 Před rokem +1096

      Comparing it to twitter pronouns is absurd

    • @ellie8272
      @ellie8272 Před rokem +284

      You're a hero :)

    • @_blank-_
      @_blank-_ Před rokem +97

      Based district managers.

    • @morreamanha
      @morreamanha Před rokem +2

      @@_blank-_ yes, they're based in bulshit

  • @gothcsm
    @gothcsm Před rokem +363

    whenever people try to tell me they/them cannot be singular I alr know their english teachers hated them 💀

    • @Dor_27
      @Dor_27 Před rokem +39

      (They're) the kid the teacher called on in class to do a reading just to watch (them) struggle over it. Every English teacher I had did that.

    • @thatonearanara
      @thatonearanara Před rokem +27

      They’re the kid who the teacher has to say the word that they are reading because it took them too long trying to understand a word like cumbersome.

    • @samuraijosh1595
      @samuraijosh1595 Před rokem +1

      they for unspecified geneder is ok.
      they for made up genders is not ok

    • @ermazargw3908
      @ermazargw3908 Před rokem +4

      It can't be singular if you KNOW the gender of the person you're referring to.

    • @gothcsm
      @gothcsm Před rokem +36

      @@ermazargw3908 Yes… it can 💀

  • @thornescapes7707
    @thornescapes7707 Před rokem +552

    If someone cannot comprehend singular "they", how can they comprehend the rest of the language? Singular "they" is not very confusing. It's extremely simple. It's grammatically correct and historically grounded. It's older than modern English.

    • @LiliannEnder
      @LiliannEnder Před rokem +52

      And yet people keep arguing that it is only a plural pronoun, when really it can be both singular and plural

    • @thornescapes7707
      @thornescapes7707 Před rokem +69

      @@LiliannEnder It's amazing how many people have incredibly strong opinions about English grammar and spelling, even though their arguments often prove that they have no real understanding of English grammar or spelling. It's bizarre.

    • @aiaioioi
      @aiaioioi Před rokem +54

      for real. no one is confused by "you" meaning informal second person, formal second person and multiple second person, yet singular "they" is somehow confusing.
      also i think we should start using "thou" again as informal second person.

    • @somegrill7561
      @somegrill7561 Před rokem +6

      They just don’t like y’all

    • @thornescapes7707
      @thornescapes7707 Před rokem +25

      @@somegrill7561 It isn't even about that. When you are talking to someone online, often you won't know their gender.
      If you don't know their gender, what pronouns should you use? Should you just default to "he" for them? Should you use "he/she/it/they", just to cover all the bases?
      Or would it make more sense just to use singular "they" as a default, like I have been doing continually through this comment ("use for them")? Singular "they" is the most natural choice when you aren't certain about gender. The non-binary aspect is incidental.

  • @ThePussukka
    @ThePussukka Před rokem +5348

    As a Finn with no gendered pronouns it comes very naturally for me to also use "they" in English.

    • @anteeko
      @anteeko Před rokem +27

      "As a Finn with no gendered pronouns it comes very naturally for me to also use "they" in English."
      But you loose the singular/plurial meaning?

    • @slyar
      @slyar Před rokem +403

      So many languages don't have gendered third person singular pronouns and theyre based for that tbh

    • @MatveyTsivinyuk
      @MatveyTsivinyuk Před rokem +82

      It's the same thing in Georgian as it's a completely gender-neutral language.

    • @ThePussukka
      @ThePussukka Před rokem +72

      @@anteeko nope, hän is singular, he is plural

    • @calus-superiorjackass3906
      @calus-superiorjackass3906 Před rokem +115

      bro when I first read this I thought your name was literally Finn and you have 0 gendered pronouns 💀

  • @NoNo-xh7ru
    @NoNo-xh7ru Před rokem +3250

    I hate that I can say "they" in reference to a person of unspecified gender and people act like I'm making a statement on gender identify. What else am I supposed to say? "This individual of unspecified gender"? Not everything is political, some things are just convenient.

    • @Felipera_
      @Felipera_ Před rokem +516

      It's even funnier when you are actually talking about someone you don't even know and people lash out at you.

    • @shadybat3183
      @shadybat3183 Před rokem +9

      @@jeremyroland5602 🤓

    • @cynicalradicand
      @cynicalradicand Před rokem +393

      Plus it's almost certain they would subconsciously use singular "they" in their daily lives if they weren't thinking so hard about it.

    • @mysteriousluck
      @mysteriousluck Před rokem +78

      @@shadybat3183 I've been seeing so many people replying to that guy, what did they say?? They deleted all of their comments with just replies remaining

    • @shockofthenew
      @shockofthenew Před rokem +4

      ​@@cynicalradicand Right? Imagine a transphobe sees someone left their bag behind after a meeting, I guess they're required to say something like "oh dear, someone left his or her bag here! I wonder if he or she noticed, I hope he or she comes back to get it. He or she probably left his or her wallet and phone and everything!" It's laughable. They make themselves look like idiots twisting in grammatical knots all to avoid accepting nonbinary people who're just living their lives.

  • @phillippenna5558
    @phillippenna5558 Před 3 měsíci +21

    A verb walks into a bar, sees a beautiful noun, and suggests they conjugate. The noun declines.

  • @Link9058
    @Link9058 Před 4 měsíci +56

    I remember that Turkish has literally 1 third person pronoun.
    For everything.
    And they get along just fine because context exists

    • @mulayimbozkurt9693
      @mulayimbozkurt9693 Před 2 měsíci +5

      Not exactly. Turkish language has 1 third person singular pronoun which is "o".

    • @StomachAcid
      @StomachAcid Před 28 dny +5

      Well, as far as I know, they have one pronoun for he, she, and it. They still have other pronouns like I, you, we, and they. There’s actually a formal and informal way to say you. The formal way is also used if you’re addressing multiple people. It’s such a cool language!

    • @heybak
      @heybak Před 27 dny +6

      As a Turkish person who lives in Türkiye, I can confirm everything above is true. "O" really is useful

    • @StomachAcid
      @StomachAcid Před 27 dny +2

      @@heybak That’s really cool! I’m not Turkish but I also like that pronoun very much.

    • @rubenvanderark4960
      @rubenvanderark4960 Před 2 dny +1

      Toki Pona has
      First person (any gender, any amount, any form)
      Second person (any gender, any amount, any form)
      Third person (any gender, any amount, any form)
      And it all works very intuitively.

  • @kahlilbt
    @kahlilbt Před rokem +3130

    There are even times when we use singular they for people of known gender. If I have a couple girl friends over and afterwards I find a handbag on my couch, I think it's way more natural to say, "Someone left their purse." than "Someone left her purse." Both are correct but one sounds more natural to me.

    • @stm7810
      @stm7810 Před rokem +152

      Good example and congrats on your poly relationship! or friendship if you meant friends who are girls rather than girls you are in intimate relationships with.

    • @Komet212
      @Komet212 Před rokem +264

      Well, you don't really think about people's gender. You just use this phrase automatically.

    • @zapazap
      @zapazap Před rokem +76

      @@stm7810 Why does having friends who are girls make one 'poly' in any sense? Cheers! :)

    • @stm7810
      @stm7810 Před rokem +153

      @@zapazap Girlfriends, in current casual language means people with feminine genders who you are romantically or sexually involved with. I just also acknowledged the other meaning it could be.

    • @zapazap
      @zapazap Před rokem +36

      @@stm7810 That use is common in my circles when the speaker is a man. Otherwise, the implication is merely friendship, esp when the plural is used. YMMV. Cheers! :)

  • @dws49
    @dws49 Před rokem +573

    For a second I figured "thon/thonself" sounded metal as fuck, until I realized thon is the french word for tuna

    • @ma-am-thats-a-crescent-roll
      @ma-am-thats-a-crescent-roll Před rokem +165

      I don't understand how that's not metal, in fact, that makes it more metal. Don't you wanna be called tuna? Don't you wanna call other people tuna? Tuna supremacy.

    • @nestorv7627
      @nestorv7627 Před rokem +7

      Lmaoooo

    • @Pablo_Martin_aa
      @Pablo_Martin_aa Před rokem +9

      Tuna

    • @arandomsupra
      @arandomsupra Před rokem +12

      Honestly I would just ignore french they call water "eau" and its pronounced "ö"

    • @bruh.j4mes
      @bruh.j4mes Před rokem +4

      "thon" doesn't sound metal, it sounds like something you scoop salad with.

  • @Derf1OO
    @Derf1OO Před 5 měsíci +56

    Looking at recent comments on this video is a hell of ride. I don’t know what I expected.

    • @epiclemon9927
      @epiclemon9927 Před 5 měsíci +17

      sorting youtube comments by newest first is a 100% effective way to reduce the amount of brain cells you have

    • @Walleyedwosaik
      @Walleyedwosaik Před 3 měsíci

      @@epiclemon9927TRUEEE

  • @DatBisa
    @DatBisa Před rokem +104

    Tom Scott put it great a while ago. "Some people are They. Get over it."

  • @UberMenschNowFilms
    @UberMenschNowFilms Před rokem +3882

    I've always used "they" in the singular when referring to a person I don't know the gender of because saying "he or she" is clunky. No one cared until language became another front in the culture war. Many people started getting pedantic over that usage of "they" all of a sudden. Me thinks that many of them don't genuinely care about grammatical rules.

    • @basementdustproductions1069
      @basementdustproductions1069 Před rokem +485

      Exactly. I really don’t get why people spend extra time writing “he/she”when you can literally just write they

    • @ClownlyChuckles
      @ClownlyChuckles Před rokem +4

      Using ineffective communication to own the libs or something.

    • @honkhonk1712
      @honkhonk1712 Před rokem +88

      Same... if idk their gender I use they

    • @595no
      @595no Před rokem +18

      And that's why I intentionally use "He" every single time.
      If those people don't care, why would I or any of the normal ones?

    • @samisphere_
      @samisphere_ Před rokem +301

      @@595no that’s worse

  • @Bee_v0mit
    @Bee_v0mit Před rokem +2232

    I study linguistics. Trust me this is probably the easiest part of the English language to get your head around.

    • @Xenomnipotent
      @Xenomnipotent Před rokem +2

      Not for right wingers apparently, must be a brain issue I suppose

    • @Immadeus
      @Immadeus Před rokem +121

      Least confusing English grammar rule

    • @peefromtmv
      @peefromtmv Před rokem +142

      I mean most people who complain about this can't type grammatically correct anyways...

    • @thatsawesomeithink
      @thatsawesomeithink Před rokem +10

      @@peefromtmv you rude.

    • @RealMrHater
      @RealMrHater Před rokem +67

      @@thatsawesomeithink and you proved a point

  • @Jawbonez_22
    @Jawbonez_22 Před rokem +120

    I personally find it rather confusing but your point of “get over it” genuinely makes sense to me. While currently my mind only thinks of they/them as a person who is entirely unknown, I see no reason why over time I couldn’t come to think of it for people who I do know. Language evolves, and unless you want to sound out of touch, you’d best evolve with it

    • @Sockem1223
      @Sockem1223 Před rokem +3

      Agree. We speak what is natural. Prescriptivism is wrong, whether it's for or against the new use of singular "they" to refer to a known person. If it sticks, it sticks. If another neat solution comes along, that's cool too.

    • @The_pringles_guy
      @The_pringles_guy Před rokem +15

      I’m happy to see this willingness to learn, even though it may take some time, have a great day Alex

    • @takatamiyagawa5688
      @takatamiyagawa5688 Před rokem +6

      Logically, if "they" is an acceptable pronoun for a person of unknown gender, the discovery of their gender should not make "they" completely unacceptable (although upon discovery, the speaker may logically prefer to use "he" or "she").

    • @DustfeatherOfFire
      @DustfeatherOfFire Před 8 měsíci +4

      Indeed - to further elaborate on your point, the phrase "you'd better evolve with it" is considered standard English nowadays, but I remember my Gran saying that she once had a tutor who told her off for using "you" instructionally or when writing to an unknown reader. "One" was considered to be the correct pronoun in this instance: i.e. "One should be careful" instead of "You should be careful".

    • @average_person444
      @average_person444 Před 4 měsíci

      ​@@TechnoticPlatehow does that spund like a caveman??

  • @ManuArtz1
    @ManuArtz1 Před rokem +704

    This actually changed my vision on the non-binary use of “they”, I should’ve done my research, I always thought that “they” could only be used as plural and thus couldn’t be used by a person that hasn’t established their gender or just don’t want to, I purposely didn’t use “they”, I genuinely thought it was stupid, but I should’ve dug deeper, great video by the way, straight to the point and pretty informative on the use of pronouns in general.

    • @midnightwalkers8077
      @midnightwalkers8077 Před rokem +186

      Congrats on changing your mind. It actually take a lot to when confronted with new information change your previously held beliefs.

    • @MarcyRavenManji
      @MarcyRavenManji Před rokem +156

      hey man, I was in the same boat some 4-ish years ago, and now I'm trans LOL you learn and you discover more about the world and yourself. good on you for growing

    • @walleras
      @walleras Před rokem +14

      @@MarcyRavenManji stop it
      Get some help

    • @MarcyRavenManji
      @MarcyRavenManji Před rokem +135

      @@walleras and what sort of help are you suggesting I get? Take some time to reflect on yourself and others my friend.

    • @Haylla2008
      @Haylla2008 Před rokem +11

      It is well put together and informative but it basically comes down to something even admitted in the video. It's confusing. And, with the way the singular "they" is already utilized in the English language, it is too confusing. And for people to adopt practices, they have to want to. And people don't want to adopt confusing practices, especially when there's nothing to gain from it. I also doubt there's enough people claiming to be nonbinary to make it common practice. And I don't think this fad of people calling themselves nonbinary is going to last much longer than the emo fad in the 2000s.

  • @JustinJonesLi
    @JustinJonesLi Před rokem +4212

    Minor correction: singular they is not necessarily used in the case of unknown gender but for *unspecified* gender (including cases where the lack of specification is due to lack of knowledge). For example, consider "I have a close friend who went to medical school, and they told me not to make the same mistake". It's more likely that I'm choosing not to reveal my friend's gender than it is that I simply don't know it

    • @kklein
      @kklein  Před rokem +839

      or there's actually proximity or adherence to a semantic plural, but that's a different case altogether

    • @jaydabomb2510
      @jaydabomb2510 Před rokem +283

      So maybe if we start thinking it as unspecified gender rather than unknown, it could come across easier for some people to get a grasp. Because that makes sense to me. Saying you are unspecified so you don’t have to feel pressured to be any gender and not feel like they’re nothing. Unless if that’s what they want.

    • @ARACHNIDPARTY
      @ARACHNIDPARTY Před rokem +118

      @@jaydabomb2510 yeah this is a great way to start bridging the gap between people who aren’t used to consciously using singular they/them!! i’m going to use this next time, thanks :)

    • @JustinJonesLi
      @JustinJonesLi Před rokem +78

      @@jaydabomb2510I agree with you, and it's a big part of why I like to bring people's attention to it. Without singular they, gender is almost mandatory in English. People think they're entitled to know everyone's gender, even when identities are meant to be kept confidential but are still "known" to someone.
      And yes, there's a variety of reasons why people want to use singular they for themselves. It could be they are questioning their gender or the pronoun best reflects their gender. I think the fewer assumptions we make, the better

    • @exist4046
      @exist4046 Před rokem +41

      @@JustinJonesLi for me half of it is being nonbinary and the other half is that the "th" sound is far less triggering to my sensory issues as compared to the "sh" sound, which a lot of older people seem to almost put emphasis on too depending on their accents. Also, people seem to spit far more when making the "sh" sound and I've literally been spat on before, and the pronoun "she" always sounds so damn /loud/ to me. The "ay" sound also is just far better to me than the "ee" sound. So it's a combo of myself not wanting to be automatically called a woman and also me just fucking hating "she" as a pronounced sound

  • @Milkydere
    @Milkydere Před rokem +2252

    "What could be more grammatically incorrect than using a gendered pronoun for someone... Which doesn't match their gender?"
    I literally screamed, this is the biggest roast I've ever witnessed in my whole life.

    • @therealshmorg
      @therealshmorg Před rokem +56

      aubey omoi

    • @Milkydere
      @Milkydere Před rokem +33

      @@therealshmorg yes.

    • @duckified.
      @duckified. Před rokem +6

      i'm kinda slow, i didn't understand it 😭

    • @Milkydere
      @Milkydere Před rokem +1

      @@duckified. using a gendered pronoun for someone non binary is technically wrong gramatically, bc it doesn't match their gender, its like using she for a guy

    • @kusurrone9976
      @kusurrone9976 Před rokem +112

      @@duckified. it means it's a logical mistake to refuse to use a certain pronounce because that person identifies different

  • @darlindeli3340
    @darlindeli3340 Před 29 dny +19

    Surely I'm not the only one who was taught about the use of a singular they in 2nd grade, right?

    • @the_roman_emperor_fisheater
      @the_roman_emperor_fisheater Před 29 dny +10

      Shhh don't let the idiots hear

    • @darlindeli3340
      @darlindeli3340 Před 29 dny +3

      ​@@the_roman_emperor_fisheaterNah the idiots need to know

    • @B.a.z.z796
      @B.a.z.z796 Před 22 dny

      ​@@darlindeli3340no they dont, the least they know the fastest natural selection can take them out

  • @AshrellStudios753
    @AshrellStudios753 Před měsícem +18

    The trans urge to send this to my grandma who thinks they is plural and new for singular
    I’m gonna do it, I might update if she responds and I remember about this comment

  • @graydhd8688
    @graydhd8688 Před rokem +3743

    Without pronouns, what would amateur nouns have left to strive for?

  • @slyar
    @slyar Před rokem +2517

    "None of these have caught on... *yet* " The neopronoun takeover of September 2035 mark my words

    • @_blank-_
      @_blank-_ Před rokem +63

      Putin if you hear me, please push the button 🙏💥

    • @atbing2425
      @atbing2425 Před rokem +37

      If it's not broken, why try and fix it.

    • @actualgoblin
      @actualgoblin Před rokem +49

      @@atbing2425 idk i think neopronouns are funny

    • @frimi8593
      @frimi8593 Před rokem +127

      @@atbing2425 personally this was actually the first time I’d heard of “thon” specifically. And even if it doesn’t come into general usage as a neutrally gendered term, I actually really like the idea of having a “the one” contraction since the existing epicene pronoun “one” (with regard to how I tend to use it anyway) is already very convenient when referring to general populations, for example, “one must have food, water, and shelter in order to survive.”

    • @angelikaskoroszyn8495
      @angelikaskoroszyn8495 Před rokem +181

      I've read once a fanfic with neopronouns. The author just added them into the story without any explanation or context. The reader has to assume that in this alternative universe the existence of non-binary people is so normalized that giving any exposition would be ridiculous
      Like when you read a normal novel nobody explains to you what does she/her mean and what does it mean to be a woman. Similarly I was "forced" by the fanfic to accept non-binary as normal
      It was surprisingly refreshing. The author didn't treat me like a child who needs to be lead by a hand
      Maybe that's the future that awaites us. Well, as a person who studies in Poland I already have a taste of the potential mess. So when I talk to a lecturer I have to use different honorifics depending on their degree +3rd person. If I forgot them I would piss them off. And of course there's no outside indicator which would help me guessing which honorific I should use - I have to remember them all. Not a good system. Unsurprisingly younger lecturers prefer more general mr. or ms.
      Simplicity is important in language so I think that if neopronouns ever ended up in standard English then there would be one dominant while others would be ignored. Not out of malice but because the variety of pronouns would kinda ruin their usefulness

  • @maxtube444
    @maxtube444 Před 3 měsíci +21

    Hey, you prolly won’t see this, but this video helped me realise that I prefer they/them pronouns a couple months ago. Recently, due to thinking about that and my gender identity, I’ve come to the conclusion that I’m genderfluid. I wouldn’t have gone down that rabbit hole if not for this video, so thanks a lot.

    • @kklein
      @kklein  Před 2 měsíci +10

      i'm so glad this video meant something to you ^^

  • @schroedingersband
    @schroedingersband Před 29 dny +18

    As an English major...
    People have a problem with singular they? Today? As in this very century?

    • @woofie3917
      @woofie3917 Před 29 dny +10

      Conservatives who don't like non-binary people going by they/them forget about how it's a very normal thing, it mainly just stems from ignorance.

    • @burner555
      @burner555 Před 28 dny +3

      It's idiots who forgot how grammar works

  • @riri-bl8jk
    @riri-bl8jk Před rokem +3456

    As a Japanese speaker, I envy English for having a practical epicene/singular/animate/3rd person pronoun. (Technically we also had an epicene pronoun in history, but it shifted to masculine when translators imported gendered pronouns.)

    • @0th_Law
      @0th_Law Před rokem +34

      *Oof*

    • @no.7893
      @no.7893 Před rokem +115

      Yeah I'm a 日本語 learner and I've wondered for ages if there really is a non gendered way to refer to a person in japanese but I guess in the case where 彼 and 彼女 can't work あの/その/この人 works as well。。。I'm curious what the epicene pronoun that took on masculinity is?

    • @TheGreatBackUpVIDEOS
      @TheGreatBackUpVIDEOS Před rokem +80

      As a learner who translates as practice, it's DEFINITELY weird but doesn't Japanese avoid pronouns anyway?
      Honestly, it feels like a completely new problem where instead of having nobody agree on the right way to gender, gendering at all is the weird thing.

    • @magicalgirlnicole
      @magicalgirlnicole Před rokem +122

      @@no.7893 Originally 彼 was epicene until translators of European literature needed a way to differentiate "he" and "she", resulting in the creation of 彼女 as a feminine pronoun towards the end of the 19th century, and 彼 shifting to masculine.

    • @andrasfogarasi5014
      @andrasfogarasi5014 Před rokem

      There is nothing stopping you from speaking like a nerd and using archaic Japanese.

  • @Shar3dAccount
    @Shar3dAccount Před rokem +3456

    This was the longest way to say "get used to it" in the most passive agressive way. I love it
    Edit: please stop commenting I could literally care less whether or not you'll adjust for others who prefer they/them I just wanted to point it out for the funnies

    • @arlert4396
      @arlert4396 Před rokem +571

      It's not even "get used to it" it's "you are already used to it and desperately trying to convince yourself that you aren't."

    • @landaclay9331
      @landaclay9331 Před rokem

      I will never call some one they or them if they view them self as non binary which is a mental illness ime calling it a it just like I call any object because objects don't have gender

    • @RichConnerGMN
      @RichConnerGMN Před rokem +10

      @@landaclay9331 ratio

    • @bunningssnags6104
      @bunningssnags6104 Před rokem +184

      @@landaclay9331 if no1s gonna tell him i will
      "I will never call some oen they or them if **THEY** view **THEM** self as non binary..."
      you literally contradicted yourself two words after saying something

    • @Shar3dAccount
      @Shar3dAccount Před rokem +34

      @@bunningssnags6104 if they complain its proper grammar they're still referring to a nonbinary person as they/them so yeah..

  • @khos8343
    @khos8343 Před rokem +55

    Here’s a history lesson in the use of singular “they” which goes back all the way back to the middle ages (courtesy of the Oxford English dictionary):
    The Oxford English Dictionary traces singular they back to 1375, where it appears in the medieval romance William and the Werewolf. Except for the old-style language of that poem, its use of singular they to refer to an unnamed person seems very modern. Here’s the Middle English version: ‘Hastely hiȝed eche . . . þei neyȝþed so neiȝh . . . þere william & his worþi lef were liand i-fere.’ In modern English, that’s: ‘Each man hurried . . . till they drew near . . . where William and his darling were lying together.’
    Since forms may exist in speech long before they’re written down, it’s likely that singular they was common even before the late fourteenth century. That makes an old form even older.
    In the eighteenth century, grammarians began warning that singular they was an error because a plural pronoun can’t take a singular antecedent. They clearly forgot that singular you was a plural pronoun that had become singular as well. You functioned as a polite singular for centuries, but in the seventeenth century singular you replaced thou, thee, and thy, except for some dialect use. That change met with some resistance. In 1660, George Fox, the founder of Quakerism, wrote a whole book labeling anyone who used singular you an idiot or a fool. And eighteenth-century grammarians like Robert Lowth and Lindley Murray regularly tested students on thou as singular, you as plural, despite the fact that students used singular you when their teachers weren’t looking, and teachers used singular you when their students weren’t looking. Anyone who said thou and thee was seen as a fool and an idiot, or a Quaker, or at least hopelessly out of date.
    Singular you has become normal and unremarkable. Also unremarkable are the royal we and, in countries without a monarchy, the editorial we: first-person plurals used regularly as singulars and nobody calling anyone an idiot and a fool. And singular they is well on its way to being normal and unremarkable as well. Toward the end of the twentieth century, language authorities began to approve the form. The New Oxford Dictionary of English (1998) not only accepts singular they, they also use the form in their definitions. And the New Oxford American Dictionary (Third Edition, 2010), calls singular they ‘generally accepted’ with indefinites, and ‘now common but less widely accepted’ with definite nouns, especially in formal contexts.
    Not everyone is down with singular they. The well-respected Chicago Manual of Style still rejects singular they for formal writing, and just the other day a teacher told me that he still corrects students who use everyone … their in their papers, though he probably uses singular they when his students aren’t looking. Last Fall, a transgender Florida school teacher was removed from their fifth-grade classroom for asking their students to refer to them with the gender-neutral singular they. And two years ago, after the Diversity Office at the University of Tennessee suggested that teachers ask their students, ‘What’s your pronoun?’ because some students might prefer an invented nonbinary pronoun like zie or something more conventional, like singular they, the Tennessee state legislature passed a law banning the use of taxpayer dollars for gender-neutral pronouns, despite the fact that no one knows how much a pronoun actually costs.
    It’s no surprise that Tennessee, the state that banned the teaching of evolution in 1925, also failed to stop the evolution of English one hundred years later, because the fight against singular they was already lost by the time eighteenth-century critics began objecting to it. In 1794, a contributor to the New Bedford Medley mansplains to three women that the singular they they used in an earlier essay in the newspaper was grammatically incorrect and does no ‘honor to themselves, or the female sex in general.’ To which they honourably reply that they used singular they on purpose because ‘we wished to conceal the gender,’ and they challenge their critic to invent a new pronoun if their politically-charged use of singular they upsets him so much. More recently, a colleague who is otherwise conservative told me that they found singular they useful ‘when talking about what certain people in my field say about other people in my field as a way of concealing the identity of my source.’
    Former Chief Editor of the OED Robert Burchfield, in The New Fowler’s Dictionary of Modern English Usage (1996), dismisses objections to singular they as unsupported by the historical record. Burchfield observes that the construction is ‘passing unnoticed’ by speakers of standard English as well as by copy editors, and he concludes that this trend is ‘irreversible’. People who want to be inclusive, or respectful of other people’s preferences, use singular they. And people who don’t want to be inclusive, or who don’t respect other people’s pronoun choices, use singular they as well. Even people who object to singular they as a grammatical error use it themselves when they’re not looking, a sure sign that anyone who objects to singular they is, if not a fool or an idiot, at least hopelessly out of date.

    • @silverstorm3729
      @silverstorm3729 Před rokem +6

      fantastic comment, and hard agree on the final part...I think the whole conservative argument "singular they/them doesn't make any sense!!!" isn't truly an argument as much as a meme told between conservatives to mock modern changes in gender, and subsequently, changes in language. it takes two seconds of thought to realize that English uses they/them all the time in varied contexts, and that it's pretty damn useful, but when you're a conservative mindlessly repeating a meme to your friends, i guess two seconds of thought is too much to ask for.

    • @stiofanmacamhalghaidhau765
      @stiofanmacamhalghaidhau765 Před rokem +4

      just here to applaud the essay-in-a-comment, from a fellow comment essayist. also enjoyed the splash of ME at the start, a period of english I devoted 7 years of my life to studying and learning.

    • @NatalleeK
      @NatalleeK Před rokem +3

      Love this. Also a pronoun costs exactly $2.45 in my country

    • @roogster
      @roogster Před 9 měsíci +4

      readin allat. good comment

    • @juniperrodley9843
      @juniperrodley9843 Před 3 měsíci

      @@NatalleeK can I have some for free, as a treat

  • @DiamondKingStudios
    @DiamondKingStudios Před rokem +9

    “I bet you use singular _you._ “
    People where I live: “… and plural _y’all_ “

  • @sailorenthusiast
    @sailorenthusiast Před rokem +1905

    Oh man. I remember taking a business English class, and an entire portion of the class was dedicated to reinforcing the idea that the singular they wasn’t grammatically correct, and that I should use “he or she” instead. I cringed the entire time, as it felt very politically motivated, with little regard to how clunky it would sound to reject the singular they as a grammatical concept. To this day, I shall continue using singular they, both because it’s more natural to me, and because of spite against that class for insisting otherwise.

    • @DinosaurNick
      @DinosaurNick Před rokem +174

      I would totally write an entire essay on purpose both using, supporting, and explaining singular 'they' just to piss off the teacher

    • @jjQlLlLq
      @jjQlLlLq Před rokem +76

      What in the world… The usage's been there since way back tho, what the heck people lmao
      Are they non-natives? You should show this video to them lol

    • @Bob-bs9ok
      @Bob-bs9ok Před rokem +57

      It probably was politially motivated

    • @evilturkey523
      @evilturkey523 Před rokem +32

      the same thing happened to me in my english class but I was young and naive so I believed the teacher when she told us it was grammatically incorrect so I used "he or she" in essays for like the next 2 years even though I didn't like how it sounded, just because I thought it was right

    • @Andreaa_-_
      @Andreaa_-_ Před rokem +84

      If they see a wallet on the floor do they just go like " oh no, he or she lost his or her wallet!"

  • @kitedflorn
    @kitedflorn Před rokem +4528

    Once, I got really high marks for an english examination and one of the mistakes I made was using “they” instead of “he” “she” for a person whose gender I don’t know.

    • @themagicfarawaytree21
      @themagicfarawaytree21 Před rokem +1023

      Wow. I hate English teachers

    • @iris_drawssandwiches
      @iris_drawssandwiches Před rokem +492

      Eh just start using thon or something.

    • @miglek9613
      @miglek9613 Před rokem +525

      @@iris_drawssandwiches you'd be shocked at how adamant the examination systems of entire countries are on excluding people, as well as anything that is not basic 1950s british english

    • @strawbaerae
      @strawbaerae Před rokem +287

      oh i used to get marks cut for that too :/ everytime i need to use it on a test now i very begrudgingly use 'she or he' just so i can get my marks TT it's annoying, makes sentences sound much more clunky too

    • @miglek9613
      @miglek9613 Před rokem +213

      @@strawbaerae not a perfect solution as it sounds incredibly impersonal but I use "one" instead of singular "they" in essays and that is considered gramatically correct in my country's english exams

  • @Rain-ie3xm
    @Rain-ie3xm Před rokem +41

    i find it so amusing how people can get so easily irritated by a single word

    • @Jcon4002
      @Jcon4002 Před 11 měsíci +4

      It's because it makes no sense, I'm not saying that they was never used singularly but that's usually when you don't know who the person is.The new non binary "they" seems new I never heard of it until a few years ago, I wonder if anyone before the 2010s identified as non binary.

    • @toast1612
      @toast1612 Před 11 měsíci +16

      ⁠@@Jcon4002they probably did, but the increasing prevalence of the internet has allowed people to have a voice in a world where they were previously rendered silent

    • @puppyqueen5688
      @puppyqueen5688 Před 11 měsíci +17

      ​@@Jcon4002there is evidence on non binary people in ancient byzantine, in native nations in North and South America, and so many more places.
      We have the records and writings of Magnus herchfeld in the 1900s where he talks about peopl "who are not and do not want to be clearly male or female"
      Just because you were not taught about something dosent mean it never existed and assuming it does only limits how much you will learn.

    • @RichConnerGMN
      @RichConnerGMN Před 11 měsíci

      @@puppyqueen5688 get 'em

    • @Link9058
      @Link9058 Před 4 měsíci

      Itchiness

  • @jacobdavis9467
    @jacobdavis9467 Před rokem +6

    “Let’s talk about singular they”
    Me, at 2am: “Sure, why not?”

  • @akachickennuggets9190
    @akachickennuggets9190 Před rokem +3064

    “After all, what’s more grammatically incorrect than using a gendered pronoun for someone that doesn’t match their gender.” I AM STEALING THIS.

    • @l.2620
      @l.2620 Před rokem +180

      @@landaclay9331
      Unbased and also just scientifically wrong

    • @EllaKarhu
      @EllaKarhu Před rokem +1

      @@landaclay9331 There's literally no valid argument for binary gender. Linguistics, biology, sociology, whatever you try to go for to justify it, you can't. If you're uncomfortable with the fact that non-binary people exist, maybe work on that. Cause your feelings won't change reality.

    • @EllaKarhu
      @EllaKarhu Před rokem +174

      @@landaclay9331 "This is how it is, that's it" isn't very convincing when the scientific consensus disagrees with you. I can see that you are very angry, but again, facts don't care about your feelings.

    • @akachickennuggets9190
      @akachickennuggets9190 Před rokem +1

      @@landaclay9331 and your mom likes when I’m both of them

    • @MsZsc
      @MsZsc Před rokem +60

      @@landaclay9331 supposing youre right too, it doesnt discredit the use of singular they in the slightest

  • @ultimatehusky5481
    @ultimatehusky5481 Před rokem +1743

    I love the
    "But none of these pronouns have caught on... *yet*." It's so vaguely threatening. Hilarious and amazing.

    • @Qrtuop
      @Qrtuop Před rokem +11

      You find threats amusing?

    • @blueoqua7394
      @blueoqua7394 Před rokem +117

      @@Qrtuop
      🤓

    • @lemonofcake
      @lemonofcake Před rokem +66

      @@Qrtuop 🤓

    • @MITOCHONDRlA
      @MITOCHONDRlA Před rokem +33

      @@Qrtuop somites, threats are not always agressive.

    • @MITOCHONDRlA
      @MITOCHONDRlA Před rokem +8

      Also anyone replying with nerd emoji just can't explain their thoughts fr

  • @TheSpiralProgression
    @TheSpiralProgression Před 8 měsíci +17

    I would mention that “Man” in terms of Human has always been neutral and dates itself back as a generic term for person (which side note is weirdly a case of masculine becoming neutral as it’s “per son”) in Proto-Indo-European. The term for males in older English was “Wer” (where “werewolf” comes from) while female was “Wif” (where “wife” came from). It’s only later on that man became a gendered term for males while also still being neutral but it started off as epicene.

    • @algotkristoffersson15
      @algotkristoffersson15 Před 3 měsíci

      And how and why did it become gendered?

    • @TheSpiralProgression
      @TheSpiralProgression Před 3 měsíci

      @@algotkristoffersson15 for the same reason they were trying to push he/him pronouns as the default in place of singular “they”

    • @algotkristoffersson15
      @algotkristoffersson15 Před 3 měsíci

      @@TheSpiralProgression which is what?

  • @caleb1413
    @caleb1413 Před rokem +196

    I admit it still doesn't feel intuitive to me because I took school very seriously as a kid as well as having an English teacher who was a bit snobbish about language as a mother. Singular "they" was heavily emphasized as incorrect both at home and school during my childhood. It doesn't help that I'm on the autism spectrum and, while not sounding like Sheldon Cooper, I definitely lean towards the sort of speech patterns he parodies. Having said that, inclusion is a far higher priority than my slight discomfort, so I make a point of using singular "they" when it's appropriate. I still let out an unintentional "he or she" more often than I'd prefer, but I'm getting there.

    • @jordanmatthews1466
      @jordanmatthews1466 Před rokem +4

      "Inclusion" should never be a priority. People with big friend groups get stabbed in the back. And it happens quite alot. Smart people tend not to have large friend groups. Smart people are not inclusive because, quite honestly, not everyone deserves to be liked, shown kindness or helped. Not everyone is a good person and, smart people inherently know this so, to lower the chances of being backstabbed, exploited or, hurt, very few people are allowed in. People that are very carefully observed are let in. Gatekeeping is NOT inherently bad and, making inclusivity a priority over self-preservation as well as your own boundaries is a massive mistake.

    • @hudsonhaynie1632
      @hudsonhaynie1632 Před rokem +18

      @Jordan Matthews who hurt you? And why does it affect being respectful towards nonbinary folks?

    • @Anotherroom
      @Anotherroom Před rokem +12

      @@hudsonhaynie1632 His comment doesn't really come off as somebody who has been hurt in some way, but rather as a fifteen year old trying to sound like a *b a d a s s*

    • @childofgod759
      @childofgod759 Před rokem

      @@jordanmatthews1466 It does not matter if someone is a bad person, you *cannot* judge whether someone deserves to be "liked". i don't know how 'smart' you think you are but you dont come off very emotionally intelligent, because everyone even terrible people deserve basic human respect and needs. Thats what we owe eachother, we owe eachother kindness. Get off your high horse, and i dont care what that bullshit iq test says. Intelligence cant be measured accurately, so as far as you're aware you're about as smart as everyone else. Your way of seeing the world can create rigid hierarchies in your head and thats just not real life because no ones superior to anyone

    • @FriendlyRodrigo
      @FriendlyRodrigo Před 11 měsíci +2

      @@jordanmatthews1466 most succesful people are extremely well capable of making connections. People who can't really make connections are much more likely to end up less succesfully in life. No matter how 'intelligent' (if they can't make connections, they are definitely not socially intelligent) they are.

  • @rimakazoku9243
    @rimakazoku9243 Před rokem +1651

    All of my English teachers throughout my life never had an issue with singular “they”. Matter of fact, I never even knew people were throwing a fit over it until Twitter. We’ve been using it since FOREVER, why is it suddenly so contentious? Were people never taught this? 😭💀

    • @iqbalindaryono8984
      @iqbalindaryono8984 Před rokem +80

      Probably not, as a non-native speaker, I've always known that "they/them" is plural. It's just less confusing to use "he/she" than "they/them" as the latter requires context in order for it to make sense.
      "He/She ate some food." can only be interpreted as someone eating food. Whereas; "They ate some food." can be interpreted as a group or, within this context, as someone eating food. At this point we might as well make a new word for it. If "tryna" is a thing, then a gender neutral pronoun can be a thing.

    • @lxvrrbxy
      @lxvrrbxy Před rokem +197

      @@iqbalindaryono8984 english is my 1st language and singular they has always been used, even before the twitter fiasco about the topic started
      we don't need to create a entirely new pronoun because people are now upset of they being used in such a way
      it is not hard to interpret a single person when using they - "they left their wallet on the counter", "they left the party on their own accord", "they were all by themself", etc.
      it has always been like this, people are just now upset because queerness has been attached to using singular they

    • @RichConnerGMN
      @RichConnerGMN Před rokem +201

      "why is it suddenly so contentious?"
      in short, the answer is conservative moral panic over trans and nonbinary people.

    • @ganymedehedgehog371
      @ganymedehedgehog371 Před rokem +9

      @@lxvrrbxy your second example could actually be plural. Technically even example 1 could be too if for a particular occasion 2 people just had one wallet between them. I mostly use they, but you can’t the fact that it can often be confusing whether it is plural or singular. “They” has grammatical issues, but it’s better to sort out the optimal way to use it than make a new pronoun or something.

    • @antares3030
      @antares3030 Před rokem +39

      Non-native here
      They've only taught us he/she/it in school, so it was weird using 'they' as singular pronoun at 1st, but I got used to it quickly
      I assume most of the people throwing tantrum about it are non-natives who are extremely unaware
      In my language for example there is no equivalent for singular 'they'. There are only binary pronouns. Like, that whole state of existence is just absent from your mind until you get into English-speaking community. You can't even translate it correctly, you can use the plural version of 'they' but it sounds so wrong, it's funny
      And people are usually hesitant to shift their paradigm when it doesn't immediately benefit them

  • @kaet8333
    @kaet8333 Před rokem +1013

    To me, this way of doing things is just so convenient, the words for human and person are gendered in my language, so not having to go around it seems like a no brainer. Just use they and be done with it

    • @SingingSealRiana
      @SingingSealRiana Před rokem +42

      Agree, since I got comfortable communicating in English, the forced gendering of my mother tongue annoys me to no ends. Like I am not against having gendered pronouns too, sometimes gender and or sex do matter, but not nearly as often as one is lead to belive. English has pretty much the perfect balance between inclusivity and specivity in that regard.
      It allows say mum or dad, but also parent in singular. If I can not tell someone's gender/sex, simply using they, easy as that.

    • @badgerfern6469
      @badgerfern6469 Před rokem +16

      Right, why bother using he/she when you can use they?

    • @SingingSealRiana
      @SingingSealRiana Před rokem

      @@badgerfern6469 depends on what you mean, using he or she, or using he/she, the later is indeed stupid, for the former there are arguments if in addition to they.

  • @sylenc6629
    @sylenc6629 Před 11 měsíci +16

    good video,and yes we do exist indeed
    -Non Binary Person

    • @robespierregracchus3153
      @robespierregracchus3153 Před 11 měsíci +2

      @@Crkkyyt Touch grass

    • @robespierregracchus3153
      @robespierregracchus3153 Před 11 měsíci +2

      @@Crkkyyt guess

    • @robespierregracchus3153
      @robespierregracchus3153 Před 11 měsíci +1

      @@Crkkyyt gender is stupid and useless! giving that point someones gender REALLY shouldn't be a political debate and we should just except who people are, right?

    • @robespierregracchus3153
      @robespierregracchus3153 Před 11 měsíci

      @@Crkkyyt "i can get over as something as stupid and useless as more than one gender and actually do something productive with my life" -you a while ago.
      "genders are important in science" -you now. Also, what about intersex people?

  • @starless_void
    @starless_void Před rokem +16

    it stings to see that many dislikes on this video (3,6K). really shows you who's feelings don't align with "facts and logic"

    • @Sockem1223
      @Sockem1223 Před rokem +1

      For posterity, most who hit "dislike" do so to signal to the algorithm they prefer topics other than grammar/English/gender/K.Klein/Whatever. Some are bots, and some hit it on accident. The average video gets around 5% dislikes to likes, which is what we are seeing here. Finally, complaining about dislikes on a youtube video is so 2012. Tighten up

    • @Gakulon
      @Gakulon Před 3 měsíci +3

      @@Sockem1223 "Tighten up" ❔Tighten up what? Their iris sphincter?

  • @michaelweiske702
    @michaelweiske702 Před rokem +790

    I remember back in middle school, they gave everyone a grammar test where we filled in the blanks of sentences to make sense grammatically. There was a sentence where the subject had unknown gender, something like "someone left the classroom, and _____ went down the hall" (probably not exact since this was almost a decade ago at this point), and I used "they" because, well, it sounded the most correct, but nope the answer was he/she. Good to have some confirmation that I was correct all along.

    • @NotFine
      @NotFine Před rokem +174

      Yeah, he/she is just a mouthful
      They is just more natural

    • @zapazap
      @zapazap Před rokem +174

      Insufficiently inclusive. I suggest 'she/he/it'. (Contractable to 's/h/it').

    • @exotic1405
      @exotic1405 Před rokem +74

      @@zapazap haha fecal matter

    • @zapazap
      @zapazap Před rokem +47

      @@exotic1405 Oh, my!

    • @ihappydawnz
      @ihappydawnz Před rokem +13

      engineer gaming

  • @Chartreuse_Moose
    @Chartreuse_Moose Před rokem +14

    Written and edited by Me!? Wow, Me did such a great job when they put this together. 👍🏼 You did a great job, Me.

  • @daedalus7286
    @daedalus7286 Před rokem +21

    Deeply funny that the people in the 1750’s arguing against the singular ‘they’ mirror the argument of those advocating today against people using singular ‘they’ to refer to themselves - in the 1750’s it was “basic grammar”, but nowadays the GC narrative is “basic biology” - both of which being argued with a generous dollop of ignorance towards more complex biology/grammar!

    • @Xnoob545
      @Xnoob545 Před rokem

      "it's just basic biology"
      Yes it is basic biology
      That's because the talk about non-binary, intersex, etc. people is in advanced biology and you're too dumb to study it

    • @charliezard64
      @charliezard64 Před 11 měsíci

      Biology and grammar are nor really comparable as all grammar is fabricated by humans and can be changed, biology is at least not the former, and therefore does not warrant an argument in the first place.

  • @sebbrennan3574
    @sebbrennan3574 Před rokem +1055

    I had an argument with my English teacher about this topic in Year 9, with him against the use of "they" as a singular pronoun. I wish I could have seen this video 5 years ago so I could have destroyed him

    • @_blank-_
      @_blank-_ Před rokem +16

      Nerd

    • @TelPhi_
      @TelPhi_ Před rokem +102

      Epically owning teachers in the free marketplace of ideas with FACTS and LOGIC 😎

    • @isabellach
      @isabellach Před rokem +79

      Even without this video and sure you would have destroyed him. There is no logical way to hate singular they. It's been around longer than singular you!

    • @devonodonnell715
      @devonodonnell715 Před rokem +39

      I think the best way to comeback at these sorts of argument is this. Language is spoken, used and defined by its native speakers. No matter how important or proper you claim to be, whatever authority you are part of, English will always be defined and spoken by its natives. The way the people wish the language to be is the way it is.

    • @MrHoggReads
      @MrHoggReads Před rokem +10

      @@isabellach Do you know of a case where someone with a (known) name was refered to as "they"?
      "Go talk to Shakespeare. They will help you." Something like that from the past?

  • @redjarww3882
    @redjarww3882 Před rokem +341

    I love speaking a language without gendered pronouns

    • @superluigidummy
      @superluigidummy Před rokem +26

      wish i could relate

    • @dondog3123
      @dondog3123 Před rokem +22

      As a malay speaker "dia" is an inclusive pronouns for everyone else here

    • @user-hh9hx1xj5s
      @user-hh9hx1xj5s Před rokem +35

      I’m an Indonesian learner and I’ve never felt so much relief to see that things aren’t gendered like in my mother tongue (Spanish)

    • @dollenhouse4691
      @dollenhouse4691 Před rokem +9

      When talking,we use the same pronouns“ta” in Mandarin
      While writing,we used to use the same 他 in Chinese.For some reason,we added a new word 她,which is a female pronouns
      it always bothers me cuz 他 doesnt have gendered definition,then why added a new for female?

    • @wisteriaaaaaa
      @wisteriaaaaaa Před rokem +3

      i am an italian mandarin student and i too find quite silly the fact that 她 and 他 are pronounced the same way but written differently. like!!! i don’t like that it’s non specific just as long as it’s spoken. my classmate did tell me that a gender non specific 3rd person pronoun currently exists but I forgot the character and I can’t remember if it was legit or not.

  • @kazukishinomiya9424
    @kazukishinomiya9424 Před 10 měsíci +13

    I'm very glad my country doesn't have a gendered pronoun, so it's not difficult for people to refer to me as someone who is Non Binary

  • @aloe.0v0
    @aloe.0v0 Před rokem +6

    This is the best summary of this topic that I've seen. I'm going to send it to the next family member or friend when they are having trouble wrapping their head around the singular "They".
    I've never bought a Thanks on CZcams before, so that should tell you how much I appreciate it. Have a coffee on me, my friend!

  • @hutshelll
    @hutshelll Před rokem +798

    Finally someone gets that 'they' can be singular

    • @nibbletrinnal2289
      @nibbletrinnal2289 Před rokem +86

      why "finally"? wasn't the entire point of the video that singular they has been around for a long time now and are more accepted than any alternative by the majority of people?

    • @leonader9465
      @leonader9465 Před rokem +17

      Most people get that.

    • @hutshelll
      @hutshelll Před rokem +98

      ​@@nibbletrinnal2289 I know but lots of people still don't recognise that they isn't always plural

    • @ballscrusher4
      @ballscrusher4 Před rokem

      @@hutshelll they intentionally go out of their way to pretend they don't get it just to delegitimise nonbinary people

    • @michaelsalmon9832
      @michaelsalmon9832 Před rokem

      only to accommodate people who are mentally ill or women who are desperate for attention for progressive acceptance points

  • @martinschmid797
    @martinschmid797 Před rokem +431

    In german, "someone" goes with he and "person" goes with she. I remember, back when we were teen boys some people would mock you when you used the generic male while talking about love/dating ("oh, are you gay?"), resulting in some people ungrammatically using the female where a generic male was needed.
    I think that beautifully shows that even after hundreds of years with a generic he in the german language, it still conjures up the image of a man. And somewhat ironically, the fear of sounding gay resulted in a more inclusive (albeit ungrammatical) use of language in a group of teen boys.

    • @thesleepydot
      @thesleepydot Před rokem +41

      how ironic... homohobia led to inclusivity... lol

    • @user-ph8tz9zi3o
      @user-ph8tz9zi3o Před rokem +5

      It’s kinda like that in Spanish…persona is feminine and humano is masc

    • @-mmm-kay7980
      @-mmm-kay7980 Před rokem

      Es macht lich so traurig das man sich überhaupt über they/them lustig macht im Deutschen, obwohl wir "Sie" haben was ein equivalent zu 'they'. Klar Neutrale Pronomen gibt es nicht wirklich aber man kann ja bald was finden & eventuell in der Vergangenheit suchen :)

    • @martinschmid797
      @martinschmid797 Před rokem +1

      @@-mmm-kay7980 Ich bin da nicht so optimistisch. Sprache entwickelt sich nur von der Mehrheit aus natürlich. Die verschiedenen progressiven Strömungen sind nicht geeint genug, wodurch keine massentauglichen Neopronomen entstehen können. Stattdessen gibt es unzählige Varianten und Ideen, welche sich alle gegenseitig behindern.

    • @-mmm-kay7980
      @-mmm-kay7980 Před rokem

      @@martinschmid797 Leider muss ich dir recht geben, mit denn viele Neopronomen wie Xier/xem, ;Dey/Dem; Sier/Siem; etc kann man echt schnell denn Überblick verlieren.
      Am klügsten wäre die Neopronomen Dey/Dem, meiner Meinung nach, am besten da sie vom englischen ableiten kann. Klar wird das eine Umstellung sein, dennoch hoffe ich das es genug Menschen gibt die sich einigen können.
      Nach dem Gendern Debakel kann man es wahrscheinlich in naher Zukunft streichen. Wenn so viele Menschen jetzt schon ein Problem haben, kann ich nur schwarz sehen für alle Transgender ppl.
      Was meinst du?

  • @lurawe
    @lurawe Před rokem +19

    a little outside perspective from a European: I went to multiple schools in Germany, Finland and Greece, and in every one we were taught the use of „they“ as a neutral singular pronoun (as well as the plural form, of course) in English class from elementary school and upwards. Seeing (mostly native English speakers) argue about this so much recently is kind of funny and absurd to me - this use of „they“ has been around for ages lol

  • @TikoVerhelst
    @TikoVerhelst Před 5 měsíci +7

    As a Dutch person, I'm envious of they.
    We always have to go with "he/she" or "his/her" so something like that. That's what we do when we don't know someone's gender. So you get;
    "Run after that person! He/She left his/her bag on the counter!" instead of the much simpler "Run after that person! They left their bag on the counter!"
    Diens, whomst, is getting re-invented and also Die which would result in a sentence like
    ""Run after that person! Who left whomst bag on the counter!""
    diens has caught on a bit, die hasn't yet, probably because it also means 'that' in Dutch.
    Tricky stuff, that's why I'm so jealous of English singular they. ;)

  • @jaimetolley2375
    @jaimetolley2375 Před rokem +1926

    Fun Fact: about a hundred years ago Chinese only used gender neutral pronouns. They used to only have one word to refer to someone in the third person, it was 他 (other than 它, which more or less means "it"). But later as China and English speaking countries started to communicate more, for some reason they felt the need for gendered pronouns for translations. So they added the character 她 to mean "she" and 他 was now "he". But for pronouns referring to a group of mixed genders they still used the original 他 character as a root.
    And one more bonus fact: 他 uses to root character 人, which means human, and 她 uses the root character 女 which means woman. The person who first started to use 她 was originally criticized for the choice as it took human out of the word "she".
    Bonus bonus fact: non-binary Chinese speakers now most often use X也 or TA as their pronouns. The frist pronoun follows the solution often used when there isn't a gender less word in your language. And the second is the pinyin (frenetic pronunciation) of all 他,她,and 它. They are all pronounced exactly the same.
    So ya.... that was fun. I don't think anyone will read this though. Have a good day.

    • @fxirytxxth3332
      @fxirytxxth3332 Před rokem +41

      I am China pronouns 100 years ago

    • @cyncynshop
      @cyncynshop Před rokem +85

      The worst thing about adding 女 to 也 is that multiple words with negative meaning also use the 女 word in combination, words like 奸 and 奴.

    • @jaimetolley2375
      @jaimetolley2375 Před rokem +97

      @@cyncynshop Yes, China has historically not been the best when it comes to women's rights.

    • @cihloun
      @cihloun Před rokem +2

      At lease chinese used it

    • @ivanwong1968
      @ivanwong1968 Před rokem +21

      As Chinese myself, I'd rather people call me a chink than calling x this x that. It's utterly bullshit and confusing.

  • @MoshCat13
    @MoshCat13 Před rokem +639

    Edit: idk why folks decided to started arguing under my comment so I'm just gonna leave this here now: go outside and breathe. Life is short.

    • @RichConnerGMN
      @RichConnerGMN Před rokem +14

      nice pfp

    • @liznohandle
      @liznohandle Před rokem +126

      Many moons ago when I was in college the official style guides(MLA? APA) required the awkward "he or she". I went with rearranging my sentences to use "one" or "a person" instead. Malicious compliance and extra words for the word count.

    • @MoshCat13
      @MoshCat13 Před rokem +39

      @@liznohandle I have actually done that as well, that's what I did before I started just using "they" lol

    • @duckified.
      @duckified. Před rokem +87

      It baffles me why schools care so much, because they say it's "confusing" even when they actually perfectly understand what you're trying to say. They try to make the excuse about "WELL what if there are two or more people and you're only talking about one of them?? How am i supposed to know who you're talking about???" In reality, when you're talking about a single person in a group of people, you'd specify by using their names anyway, or something along the lines of "one person" and "the other person".
      You'd rarely ever see a sentence like "a student and a teacher were talking, and they asked a question." Instead, it would be "a student and a teacher were talking, and *the student* asked a question."
      People who hate the use of singular they are literally just knit picking for the most isolated examples and using them to base their entire hatred off of.

    • @shadybat3183
      @shadybat3183 Před rokem

      @@jeremyroland5602 🤓

  • @vernowietsch
    @vernowietsch Před 4 měsíci +8

    I so badly want to see the timeline where everyone has thon/thonself in thons bio

  • @Peter_1986
    @Peter_1986 Před rokem +18

    In Sweden we have the equivalent gender-neutral pronoun "hen", which was popularised in 2012 and was like a gender-neutral equivalent for "han" ("he") and "hon" ("she").
    That word is probably just as controversial as the "singular they", but it is accepted enough to frequently be used in newspapers and articles on the Internet.
    I would guess that "hen" is inspired by the Finnish word "hän" --- [hæn] --- which means both "he" and "she";
    however, Swedish and Finnish aren't the least bit related to each other, and they are completely different from each other, so there isn't any actual linguistic relation there.

    • @bloopletank2491
      @bloopletank2491 Před rokem +2

      I'm glad i heard this. I was learning swedish and i only knew han and hon.

    • @DaydreamingSwede
      @DaydreamingSwede Před rokem +2

      Honestly it could just be "Hey, Finnish has this cool word that we could make use of, so we should!"
      Somehow that feels like an oddly Nordic way of introducing something new

    • @kjl3080
      @kjl3080 Před 6 měsíci

      @@DaydreamingSwede there's a ton of swedish words like, some of which are really basic, like "pojke"

  • @tarostartic8833
    @tarostartic8833 Před rokem +309

    i vividly recall that my literature teacher deducted marks for using singular they;;; lmao only two years later, my linguistics teacher was actively using it in her classes. pretty safe to say which teacher i preferred

    • @evilgoose6768
      @evilgoose6768 Před rokem +50

      that's so dumb. Singular they has been used since Shakespeare and has always been grammatically correct. Your literature was just outright wrong

    • @GimOA
      @GimOA Před rokem

      @@evilgoose6768 that was hyperbolic, humans do make mistake from time to time.

    • @environmentaly7894
      @environmentaly7894 Před rokem +8

      @@GimOA i feel like it was feelings over facts 😶 like the teacher was so biased with his political view that he pushed it onto his teaching and grading.

    • @EvanOfTheDarkness
      @EvanOfTheDarkness Před rokem

      @@evilgoose6768 Literature is frequently grammatically incorrect. Some because it was written before English grammar was finalized, others because Artists have the freedom to use grammar as they see fit.

    • @major7thsharp11
      @major7thsharp11 Před rokem +2

      @@EvanOfTheDarkness That's not how any of that works lmao

  • @princestory26
    @princestory26 Před rokem +348

    as a Tagalog speaker, singular "they" makes so much sense because it's like our gender neutral 3rd person singular "siya/niya/kaniya". a lot of native words, except for some Spanish and English loanwoards, are gender neutral in Tagalog, and the only way you can reveal the gender is by literally adding male/female: e.g. "anak" = child/offspring, "anak na babae" = (literally "child/offspring" that is female") daughter.

    • @mikulover493
      @mikulover493 Před rokem +37

      @@eradict ???

    • @kimaya.3563
      @kimaya.3563 Před rokem +7

      I want to learn tagalog so bad but there's barely resources online and I cant move there rn as of now 😭😭

    • @angsilaw
      @angsilaw Před rokem +22

      @@eradict Austronesian languages are literally ungendered like most languages in the world 😭 what the hell are you taking about

    • @angsilaw
      @angsilaw Před rokem +5

      My mom is Bisaya and she calls me and my sister “nak” (it might ‘nak but idk what the full word is). Austronesian languages are ungendered at heart!

    • @nostalgcis
      @nostalgcis Před rokem +6

      i'm adding this to my list of reasons to learn tagalog, thanks

  • @DaDocDuck
    @DaDocDuck Před 4 měsíci +5

    One of the few things I like about my native language, Turkish, is that we use a single, one letter word, "o" to say he, she, it and singular they.

    • @Kiyoliki
      @Kiyoliki Před 2 měsíci

      We have the same in georgian. "ის" is the word for he, she, they, or it. Of course, it inflects depending on if it's subjective, agentive, objective, plural etc. But yeah. We also have იგი, but thats less common.

  • @corvax8644
    @corvax8644 Před rokem +13

    Time to sort comments by new!!

  • @FullMetalFeline
    @FullMetalFeline Před rokem +402

    Im a writer and have sexless/genderless aliens in one of my works as central characters. Singular 'they' was the only option for them. I was worried this might be considered ungramatical by the reader and it didnt feel quite right when I started using it, but Im now so used to it it feels completely natural. My only gripe is that it can definitely be confused with the plural form. In my example, I have muliple characters who take this pronoun and they travel in a group, as such, in some instances I have to use descriptors instead of pronouns to avoid confusion. The singular they isnt as flexible as other pronouns in this regard. I think we're very lucky to have a word available to use in English even if not perfect though, but it would be nice if in the future a distinction between singular and plural could evolve for ease of use.

    • @PeridotBee
      @PeridotBee Před rokem +54

      When writing nonbinary characters I just clarify the person or group I'm talking about every time it switches, it is quite similar to to just using more than one character of a masculine or feminine gender for example you could say something like "All the aliens cimbed into the disk shaped ship and took off, the loud rumbling leading all on board to wonder if they were being followed. Back on [insert planet name here] [character name] sat alone in the sand, they had been assigned the role of staying back to watch the children, and making sure that the children wouldn't kill one another. [character name] smiled at the children, their eyes filled with sand the ship had blown in their face."

    • @stego-
      @stego- Před rokem +8

      i personally use “it” due to aliens not being humans or born in earth at all.
      it nudges them being “different”, and will be contrasted via emotions in your writing.

    • @emarceeqem4715
      @emarceeqem4715 Před rokem +42

      @@stego- It is pretty depersonifying though, and may not be what the author is going for.

    • @stego-
      @stego- Před rokem +7

      @@emarceeqem4715 its an alien. they aren’t human. and you should show that.
      despite “It” being degrading, it also causes uncertainty too. it isn’t an insult.
      you could always do “She” if its a prized possession or “He” if its a disgusting/disturbing thing. So its not really just “It” and “They”

    • @emarceeqem4715
      @emarceeqem4715 Před rokem +32

      @@stego- I'm not saying "it" for a supposed race of sexless aliens is always an invalid choice. I'm saying it might not be what the author is going for. That was a key part of what I wrote.

  • @AbsolutelyAri1
    @AbsolutelyAri1 Před rokem +149

    People saying pronouns are confusing are gonna be shocked when they discover verbs

    • @zoezozo673
      @zoezozo673 Před rokem +1

      AHH YOU LIKE THE OWL HOUSE AND AMPHIBIA BE MY FRIEND I BEG YOU ALSO HAVE YOU WATCHED SHE RA???

    • @zoezozo673
      @zoezozo673 Před rokem +5

      and yes verbs are scawy
      🥺
      👉👈

    • @echiko4932
      @echiko4932 Před rokem +5

      @@ASS_ault pronouns are even less confusing .w.

    • @NeokiAr
      @NeokiAr Před rokem +1

      Pero si los verbos del inglés tienen pocas variaciones y casi nunca se escriben de otra manera

    • @yomilala8929
      @yomilala8929 Před rokem +2

      @@echiko4932 using made up pronouns that are unnecessary is confusing

  • @RayDrawzDragonz
    @RayDrawzDragonz Před 27 dny +11

    Ik it’s a bit early but happy pride month to all the other nonbinary friends reading this (amongst others)! 🏳‍⚧🎉

  • @emerson685
    @emerson685 Před rokem +46

    Let me tell you, as a lawyer I am held to pretty high writing standards, and even the legal profession is changing to except singular they. It's efficient and everyone know what you are talking about. Language evolves, even in It's most formal formats. No one writes like a lawyer from 100 years ago, and the system hasn't broken down yet (at least from a symantec standpoint). Clarity > tradition.

    • @user-bf3kp3ii4l
      @user-bf3kp3ii4l Před 5 měsíci +3

      your high writing standards as a lawyer must be astronomical when you still mess up except with accept

  • @halagavi
    @halagavi Před rokem +377

    Indonesian Pronouns
    ✓ Epicine Third-Person Singular Animate (dia)
    ✓ Second-Person Singular (kamu) ≠ Second-Person Plural (kalian)
    ✓ Inclusive First-Person Plural (kita) ≠ Exclusive First-Person Plural (kami)

    • @diamdante
      @diamdante Před rokem +33

      mal-indo unironically the best language on earth, grammatically speaking

    • @VEVOJavier
      @VEVOJavier Před rokem +1

      Noone asked

    • @nanamacapagal8342
      @nanamacapagal8342 Před rokem +38

      Works in Filipino too
      Inclusive "we" = Tayo/Natin
      Exclusive "we" = Kami/Namin
      Second person singular = Ikaw/Mo
      Second person plural = Kayo/Ninyo
      Third person singular (EPICENE ONLY) = Siya/Niya
      Third person plural (Again, EPICENE ONLY) = Sila/Nila

    • @violenttoddler7168
      @violenttoddler7168 Před rokem +83

      @@VEVOJavier You can’t just go to a comment section on a video about linguistics and then complain when people are talking about linguistics.

    • @SocialDownclimber
      @SocialDownclimber Před rokem +29

      @@violenttoddler7168 They are just upset because nobody asked *them*

  • @TheEudaemonicPlague
    @TheEudaemonicPlague Před rokem +627

    Not knowing this channel, I nearly passed on this video--the last one I saw discussing "they" was just some idiot crying about it, not realizing at all how long it's been part of the English language.
    This is one of the best explanations about any word I've ever seen. I was cheated of most of the education I was legally required to have, so I was never taught more than the most basic of grammar. Fortunately, I function well as an autodidact. Along the way, I've learned of a number of the stunts grammarians and classicists of the past couple of hundred years have pulled, including hating "they" for no good reason, and trying to get rid of it. If this channel covers this sort of topic, I'll have to sub.

    • @kklein
      @kklein  Před rokem +100

      i'm glad you enjoyed :) i try my best

    • @ecogreen123
      @ecogreen123 Před rokem +6

      me aswell, was pleasantly surprised.

    • @zenkim6709
      @zenkim6709 Před rokem +10

      IKR? Like how English teachers tried like hell to stamp out the word "ain't" as "improper English" back when I was a schoolkid growing up
      ...when a shocking number of commonly-used words in English-speaking countries are absolutely *not* English words!
      - rendezvous (French)
      - armada (Spanish)
      - shampoo (Hindi)
      - kangaroo (Australian Aboriginal)
      As anyone who's studied linguistics knows, any living language is a live, moving target -- dictionaries & teachers don't define a language, the people who use & adapt that language R the real ones who ultimately decide that.
      Fun fact: other than Esperanto, Hangool (the official language of Korea) is the only exception I can think of -- an invention of a Korean king who singlehandedly developed both a new spoken language & a unique written alphabet in order to solve the mishmash of competing, incompatible Chinese dialects that were causing endless confusion & frustration for himself & his subjects. Unlike Esperanto, Hangool had the power of both royal decree & an official army to back up its adoption & dictate its correct usage....

    • @blunderbus2695
      @blunderbus2695 Před rokem +4

      @@zenkim6709
      "...when a shocking number of commonly-used words in English-speaking countries are absolutely not English words!"
      Always remember: English doesn't borrow words from other languages. It chases them down into dark alleyways and mugs them.

    • @specialopsdave
      @specialopsdave Před rokem +2

      As a formally educated man, you just taught me a new word, "autodidact".
      You really should be proud of yourself

  • @justinhamilton8647
    @justinhamilton8647 Před rokem +17

    In school i used they in a sentence years ago and it was crossed out and corrected with he/she and i assumed it was wrong as singular until this video thank u, i will now use they as singular, for example “a person should enjoy their time” i hope that teacher has seen this video but probably not

  • @lovelydragon23
    @lovelydragon23 Před rokem +8

    Thank you. I’ve been trying to explain singular they to my dad but he likes cold hard facts, like dates and historical usage. I had no idea how to go about finding that info

    • @Link9058
      @Link9058 Před 4 měsíci

      Googling it is a good start

  • @elenas3571
    @elenas3571 Před rokem +89

    People like to pretend that grammar rules are set in stone and not constantly evolving but language is fluid and ever changing. 15 years ago no one knew how to convey sarcasm thought text and then a SpongeBob meme went along and standardized the use of alternating lower and uppercase letters to convey sarcasm.

    • @stevencarr4002
      @stevencarr4002 Před rokem +3

      I agree. How long did it take people to learn Polari when it was first used on BBC Radio? Not long at all.
      Especially when people were starting to be fired or cancelled for not speaking it.

    • @ThW5
      @ThW5 Před rokem

      And how come I never noticed that?

    • @SwordKirby110
      @SwordKirby110 Před rokem

      You know, I never noticed that the capitalization was alternating, always thought it was randomized.

    • @appleciderhead6527
      @appleciderhead6527 Před rokem

      Exactly it’s kinda like how Texans created the word “y’all”

    • @theultimatereductionist7592
      @theultimatereductionist7592 Před rokem

      Honestly, I did not know that is a thing (alternative lower & uppercase letters to convey sarcasm, nor that it came from a SpongeBob meme)

  • @yokowan
    @yokowan Před rokem +63

    a few years ago i had an english teacher lecture us about how singular they was ungrammatical and that we should use "he or she" in essays. right after reading works by shakespeare which use singular they . . .

    • @iris_drawssandwiches
      @iris_drawssandwiches Před rokem +10

      Well seems he or she wasn't paying attention to shakespeare and I wonder if he or she has ever tried writing only using that.
      I'll just drop some facts now.
      William Shakespeare (bapt. 26 April1564 - 23 April 1616) was an English playwright, poet and actor. He or she is widely regarded as the greatest writer in the English language and the world's pre-eminent dramatist. He or she is often called England's national poet and the "Bard of Avon" (or simply "the Bard"). His extant works, including collaborations, consist of some 39 plays,[e] 154 sonnets, three long narrative poems, and a few other verses, some of uncertain authorship. His or her plays have been translated into every major living language and are performed more often than those of any other playwright. He or she remains arguably the most influential writer in the English language, and his or her works continue to be studied and reinterpreted.

    • @cloudlily8835
      @cloudlily8835 Před rokem +9

      That's hilarious, I wonder how your teacher missed the irony so hard. I don't understand why schools allow teachers to spread their biased opinions to students, knowledge should be objective, and "they" is objectively correct grammar-wise. No amount of arguing will change that.

    • @TreespeakerOfTheLand
      @TreespeakerOfTheLand Před rokem

      Did someone point their irony out?

  • @shaggers8041
    @shaggers8041 Před rokem +21

    4:55 fuck it, my pronouns are now thon/thonself

    • @balloon.
      @balloon. Před rokem +3

      got that 1850s pronouns 💪💪🔥🔥

    • @JeremyPorcelain
      @JeremyPorcelain Před rokem +1

      Slayyy kween

    • @MoonyCat
      @MoonyCat Před 11 měsíci +1

      ​@@balloon.Why is this so funny to me 💀💀💀

  • @selfhelpilluminati
    @selfhelpilluminati Před rokem +8

    My only words of support are “why the hell doesn’t this video have millions of views already?“ 😮

  • @sonkeschluter3654
    @sonkeschluter3654 Před rokem +213

    As a german a heartfelt thank you for explaining that to me, i was always a bit confused by it, probably because we dont have the epicene.

    • @ynx999
      @ynx999 Před rokem +14

      Und wie gut es wäre, eins zu haben...

    • @isabellach
      @isabellach Před rokem +1

      Neo pronouns? I know they are not really used but....

    • @naytte9286
      @naytte9286 Před rokem

      @@ynx999 Es würde nichts bringen. Das generische Maskulinum reicht meinetwegen völlig aus.

    • @Zula_The_Squid
      @Zula_The_Squid Před rokem +3

      @@naytte9286 Das generische Maskulinum ist toll, wenn man größere Gruppen anspricht (auf jeden Fall besser als der Gendersternabfall.) Ist für einzelne Personen aber leider nicht so angenehm.
      Hätte schon noch gerne geschlechtsneutrale Singularpronomen im Deutschen, für wenn man über Nichtbinäre Personen spricht. Am Besten aber welche, die man auch aussprechen kann, und kein seltsammes Neu-Pronomen Zeug. Mir wäre es am Liebsten, wenn wir einfach They/Them als Die/Denen dem Englischen entlehnen, und die Einzahl dann reinkontextualisieren. Fühlt sich so finde ich am Natürlichsten an und braucht keine Sonderzeichen oder neue Wörter.

    • @naytte9286
      @naytte9286 Před rokem

      @@Zula_The_Squid ich glaube, das ist die Krux des Ganzen. Meiner Weltauffassung nach ist man entweder Mann oder Frau, nichts anderes.

  • @meganton9417
    @meganton9417 Před rokem +175

    As a german i truly envy your true neutral they! We really have to try hard constructing new inclusive forms violating tons of grammatical rules, so use your privilege!

    • @connaeris8230
      @connaeris8230 Před rokem +18

      Same with Italian, but we don't even have neutral adjectives. It's a mess.

    • @gjvnq
      @gjvnq Před rokem +8

      Same problem in Portuguese :(

    • @BrightyLighty_
      @BrightyLighty_ Před rokem +2

      ​@@connaeris8230 For romance languages, I've seen "elle" in Spanish before (though it's obviously way more obscure then the English equivalent). This idea doesn't loan into Italian easily, sadly... maybe "lai"? For portuguese you could maybe do "elo"

    • @bumpkin8009
      @bumpkin8009 Před rokem

      Man i hate your laungage soo mutch, it's so anyoing to have to work trough a senfece like a toddler trying to complete a puzzle

    • @Sockem1223
      @Sockem1223 Před rokem

      man can't we just be our unique selves wherever on the masculine/androgynous/feminine/neuter spectrum we want to be, without feeling threatened by gender in natural language

  • @MonseyOnSpotify
    @MonseyOnSpotify Před rokem +24

    I appreciate you still coming to the comments fighting the transphobes❤️

  • @pawpatrolonaroll
    @pawpatrolonaroll Před rokem +4

    Interesting video! I liked the comparisons with other languages!

  • @robin_queer
    @robin_queer Před rokem +225

    What a refreshing video. Thank you. Being pretty deeply and openly Queer and GNC, I've kinda gotten used to being burned by my hobbies, this was not only really interesting, but a breath of fresh air

    • @RichConnerGMN
      @RichConnerGMN Před rokem +8

      nice pfp

    • @robin_queer
      @robin_queer Před rokem +11

      @@RichConnerGMN thank you much, you too!

    • @kklein
      @kklein  Před rokem +101

      thank you! that's so nice to hear, I've been getting so many comments from people complaining about how I've left logic and facts behind and fallen to the gay agenda, but it's nice to see fellow queer people actually appreciate it

    • @robin_queer
      @robin_queer Před rokem +44

      @@kklein As an amateur linguist and especially as a queer, I love this video! Still smiling from when I first watched this morning

    • @Pyrodiac
      @Pyrodiac Před rokem

      @@RichConnerGMN Agreed.

  • @tictacmaybeau6707
    @tictacmaybeau6707 Před rokem +60

    In elementary school I distinctly remember being taught that the English standard pronouns were: I, you, we, y’all, she, he, they, and it. With I, you, we, y’all, she, he, and they all being used to refer to people, and it being an object. We and y’all were plurals. I, you, she, and he were singulars. And they was the special pronoun that acted as both singular or plural depending on the context. I don’t see what’s so hard to get about it.

    • @beeankha
      @beeankha Před rokem +1

      Wow, did you get taught y'all for formal use or just in general? I think that y'all is really only in the US. Unless people adopt it.

    • @jacksoncastro136
      @jacksoncastro136 Před rokem

      @@beeankha Y'all is not only in the US. Other languages have something similar - Spanish, to name one.

    • @beeankha
      @beeankha Před rokem +1

      @@jacksoncastro136 I'm talking about English not other languages

    • @Nakia11798
      @Nakia11798 Před rokem

      Why was your elementary school teaching "y'all"? That's not actually a recognized word, let alone a pronoun.

    • @SpinDuality
      @SpinDuality Před rokem +6

      @@Nakia11798 Ya'll was used as an example to teach children of abbreviations such as we'll, they'll and you'll. It was also a great example to teach students of slang words in english.

  • @Double_Jae
    @Double_Jae Před rokem +6

    What a great video, concise, accurate, and not taking any shit. Hats off to you

  • @makeabettername
    @makeabettername Před rokem +3

    Dude we need more people using THON like that's just amazing

  • @SolarLingua
    @SolarLingua Před rokem +375

    In German, if a subject is unknown, the use of the male 3rd person singular has persisted. "Jeder hat seine eigenen Träume!" (Everybody has HIS own dreams.) Also interestingly, the possesive pronouns for "her" and "their" in German are the same - "ihre". I have actually no idea, whether the plural comes from the singular, or if these 2 words have their own origin.

    • @GameTornado01
      @GameTornado01 Před rokem +70

      Honestly, as a German, the entire German grammatical gender system belongs thrown out of the window

    • @lonestarr1490
      @lonestarr1490 Před rokem +22

      More than that, "jeder" is male as well, with the female analog being "jede". One could use "alle" as an unspecific alternative. Curiously, this necessitates the use of the female (or plural?) version in the above sentence: "Alle haben ihre eigenen Träume!" Just as "all" instead of "everybody" would demand the use of "their" instead of "his" (thus, it's probably plural, not female).

    • @nilkonom
      @nilkonom Před rokem +4

      we have "ens" now

    • @lebens3585
      @lebens3585 Před rokem +20

      Which is certainly not used by a lot of people, especially when not online, and was created by a singular person. Even people i know who do make an elaborate effort to gender and such don't use it.
      Honestly I personally often quite intuitively use die and deren to refer to people of unknown gender , (though perhaps that is due to the influence english has had on me) but I have never seen anyone use Ens, except in a short clip i one saw where the person who invented it talked about it.
      But just saying "we have ens now." Cmon, that's just not the case for almost all german people, even those who do make an effort to use gender inclusive language.

    • @lonestarr1490
      @lonestarr1490 Před rokem +1

      @@nilkonom We have what? Please elaborate.

  • @thataintfalco7106
    @thataintfalco7106 Před rokem +393

    I feel like people don’t know that they can be used to describe a person that is hooded, hiding their gender/face. “They leaped over, face cloaked as they slashed through the table.” Singular they has existed before lol, regardless of your thoughts on the new pronoun stuff.

    • @CrypticCobra
      @CrypticCobra Před rokem +34

      yes.. because that person's gender is not known. The only difference with the modern issue is people "know" someone wants to be called they/then but also see clear signs of a certain gender, and chose to base the terms used of their visual observation of gender.

    • @sub-harmonik
      @sub-harmonik Před rokem +4

      @@CrypticCobra in practice, 'they' is less ambiguous when referring to an unknown individual than for a known individual because that unknown individual has typically just been referred to, and there are established conventions for clarifying distinctions between an unknown individual and a group that aren't necessary when using 'he' or 'she' to refer to known individuals, for instance.
      But, 'thon' would be better even for that historical usage imo.

    • @theredknight9314
      @theredknight9314 Před rokem

      I would just use it.

    • @thataintfalco7106
      @thataintfalco7106 Před rokem +10

      @@theredknight9314 yeah, just saying that singular they isn’t just nonbinary

    • @theredknight9314
      @theredknight9314 Před rokem

      @@thataintfalco7106 no no, what I meant is I would just use the pronoun “it”

  • @artistbervucci1716
    @artistbervucci1716 Před rokem +61

    So many unreasonable transphobes in the comments... It's like they haven't seen the video. Obviously, this video is about grammar, and does not have any trans arguments, but even the debunked stuff in the video is still re-argued in the comments.
    It's so sad that we should be in the most modern times, when information is accessible to nearly anyone, yet people are deliberately ignorant...

    • @IsaaacWithThreeA
      @IsaaacWithThreeA Před rokem +3

      You bring up a good point.

    • @fauxhuman0
      @fauxhuman0 Před rokem +16

      its so funny seeing all the ppl saying they cant just suddenly become singular when the whole video is about how they has been singular for a long ass time

    • @Fixer_Su3ana
      @Fixer_Su3ana Před rokem

      Well, I mean every time one of these transphobes has posted their bullshit arguments online, it is quickly and easily debunked by over a dozen people with examples, logic, and general information that contradicts their disinformation. But they just repeat their argument, until someone comes along and tricks them into using singular they/them!

    • @Sensei_gojo
      @Sensei_gojo Před rokem +2

      @@fauxhuman0or at least can be used as both singular and plural rather than being exclusive to one

    • @fauxhuman0
      @fauxhuman0 Před rokem +1

      @@Sensei_gojo exactly

  • @roracle
    @roracle Před rokem +2

    Yeah it's very grammatically bewildering to me.
    When you brought up "thon" I immediately thought "that makes complete sense!"

  • @RenKohana
    @RenKohana Před rokem +271

    Glad to see the resurgence of singular “they.” When I was in elementary school, I remember my parents lecturing me not to use the pronoun “they” to refer to a singular person. In the end, I resigned myself to say “he or she,” “his or her,” or “one,” etc.

    • @TopOfAllWorlds
      @TopOfAllWorlds Před rokem +31

      I still like one and a pronoun, it's fun to use when you're being ironically grandiose lol

    • @kirbydude2523
      @kirbydude2523 Před rokem +41

      An example I like to use in that situation is that no one says "he or she cut me off!" when they're driving and someone cuts them off on the road

    • @algotkristoffersson15
      @algotkristoffersson15 Před rokem +2

      But one is even less grammatically correct by her own logic because it just means “you the way you would use it if you said this sentence” referring to people in general, which is even pluraler than they, now To be clear I am okay with you using it as such, I am just suprised she is.

  • @-orczy-5111
    @-orczy-5111 Před rokem +197

    Fun fact!
    In Hungarian, we only have ő, which is gender neutral. We either use that or refere to the person with their name (there are no gender neutral names though).
    Then again, pronouns can be left out completely in the language, as you can make normal sentences without using them (so for example you could say "I am eating" without including "I". You´d only include it when it´s the focus point of the sentence.)

    • @_blank-_
      @_blank-_ Před rokem +31

      Can't believe Hungarians are non-binary, Orban is such an enby icon 😍

    • @keeprollin9911
      @keeprollin9911 Před rokem +7

      @@_blank-_ I think you misinterpreted couple parts of the comment haha

    • @jonathanlange1339
      @jonathanlange1339 Před rokem +2

      So you have verb conjugation in your language?

    • @-orczy-5111
      @-orczy-5111 Před rokem +10

      @@jonathanlange1339 yup

    • @gergelygalvacsy2251
      @gergelygalvacsy2251 Před rokem +5

      @@jonathanlange1339 yeah, for the most part we dont even use personal pronouns all that often, because inflections do the job

  • @reiltinedwards4459
    @reiltinedwards4459 Před rokem +112

    As a non-binary person, i got really happy when the narrator stated that we do infact exist. Thank you narrator.

    • @-bugbite
      @-bugbite Před rokem +8

      They are non binary too I think

    • @Eepaust
      @Eepaust Před rokem +2

      Transphobes be like: "The LGBT is trying to steal the american dream! Trying to outlaw religion! Trying to take our jobs and wives! Fight back against this tyranny!"
      Non-binaries: "hey it was really nice of you to acknowledge i exist ty"
      /pos btw

    • @reiltinedwards4459
      @reiltinedwards4459 Před rokem +10

      @D.R my god your grammar is horrible. But I'm assuming your asking how I as a non-binary person think about gender?
      Well, my autism likely plays a role in my gender. Autistic people tend to have trouble understanding social rules and constructs. Gender is a social construct based in ones feelings.
      Autistic people also tend to have trouble identifying and articulating their feelings, relying on physical body cues instead (I'm crying so I must be upset, my stomach is rumbling so I must be hungry, I'm yawning so I must be tired, ect) but there's no physical reaction to gender identity so I don't "feel" any gender.
      This whole phenomenon of Autistic people being more likely than neurotypicals to be non-binary is called "Autistic disconect from gender". This does not mean that all Autistic people are non-binary or that all non-binary people are Autistic. Both gender and Autism are spectrums and not everyone experiences them the same way. Hope this helps you understand :)

    • @TomatoRadio
      @TomatoRadio Před rokem +12

      ​@D.R As a person who is also nonbinary but not on the autism spectrum, I'll also give my thoughts, since everyone's thoughts vary. For me it was that anytime I really think about it, I can never really "fit" myself into being a boy or a girl, so I felt that it would be best to just be neutral, and not go by any gender.

    • @NatalleeK
      @NatalleeK Před rokem +10

      Hi I'm non binary but I actually don't exist

  • @Armaggedon185
    @Armaggedon185 Před rokem +7

    Fighting to bring back thon.