What Does UK's Top Expert Think Of My Cheap Ferrari 308 ?
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- čas přidán 29. 08. 2024
- You have all been asking me to go and meet Iain Tyrrell since I first bought my cheap Ferrari 308. Finally I go and see him and get some help with set up and advice on what could be causing the remaining misfire. It's a long journey and the influenzo throws up a few surprises..
Check our Iain's fantastic channel: Tyrrel's Classic Workshop / @iain_tyrrell
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Just bought a 1978 308 myself about to start wrenching on it. Keep the vids coming!
Ignition problem or dirt in the jets.
What fuel you running on ?
Just found your channel Jack, good stuff...........Subscribed!
Iain Tyrell is just a master orchestra conductor. Seeing him fine tune each cylinder is like seeing a conductor rehearsing a symphony and pointing at each instrument that didn’t quite play in sync. So pleasing to see a man mastering his art to such a degree ! Thinking back of the moment when he arrived with just his screwdriver and pipe, who would think he would have achieved such an improvement ! Huge respect to him !!
seriously, watching oldschool mechanics working their magic is something else.
it wasnt magic ...in fact it was a hell of a lot easier!!!
when carbs were still on the production line?
they were by far the most complicated thing on the car....
try dealing with a pack of angry SAM modules in a modern mercedes....
Wow
It's a shame that after guys like this go, there's nobody coming up to replace them. It's all over.
More reason the push towards EV gives me enough reason to believe electric is not the answer.
@@peterlewis3540 to be fair? for 75% of drivers? it definitely is....cars dont like short trips to the shops and back,...3 cold starts a day and idling in traffic for hours....electric is perfect for almost everyone provided the charge network is there.
Iain, is such a cool chap, wow, tuning the car by ear, listening through an old garden hose pipe. What a legend 😇
I get that people haven't seen this recently, but any mechanic working on carbureted engines was trained to balance carbs.
@@truantray indeed, basic stuff
The sound of that V8 when it’s running right, through the gears is just ace! Great vid Jack, and Iain is indeed a legend.
And this is why good mechanics are worth their weight in gold. Obviously Iain is on another level, but it does show that while many mechanics can turn wrenches and replace parts, it's a whole other skill to be able to properly diagnose and tune an engine. It's always a privilege to watch someone with Iain's skills work. I hope he has many apprentices to pass his experience to before he retires one day.
Never boring, and he is a master
I’m loving these CZcams crossover episodes!
4:59 I’ve seen Iain pull this mannerism before with his right hand, as if to say, “go on, then, SING!” Love it.
Watching Iain listening to the carbs with the rubber tube brings back memories of my 1958 MGA with twin SU carbs that were balanced by listening to them through a tube the same way.
Iain Tyrell’s garage is just a couple of miles from me. Been down those twisty roads by his workshop many times. Yet to pass him by on a test run.
I live near Llangollen. Was gutted I missed those Lamborghinis on the Horseshoe Pass
Me too. Never seen Iain on the road either.
I sincerely hope Iain is passing his expertise on, wonderful to see it in action. Love his channel too. Keep going Jack, you’ll get there. Good stuff :)
Iain Tyrrell is a legend!
Any connection to the F1 Tyrrell family?
@@billgriffiths1685 crisps !
@@chrismarshall7220 salted
This should say- Comments 1, and this liked x everybody lol
@@billgriffiths1685 No, I used to work with Iain.
Brilliant video Jack. Iain is an absolute master of his craft. In no way is the content boring, you’ll get there, with your attitude and art of positive perseverance.
The Guru has played with the influenzo , that’s the best a classic car can get 👍👍👍👍
Super provenance ! That will add some value to the old girl
it's like an indecent proposal from Rocco Siffredi.
It’s absolutely wonderful to see Iain perform his magic! He uses a hose whereas I struggle with an air flow meter! Legend. 1978 308 GTS 25349
Brilliant tuning by ear old school way.
Absolutely! Good to see this isn't a lost art. My parents took their Triumph Spitfire to be Crypton Tuned when it was the latest and greatest. It ran like a dog! They went back to their local mechanic and when he'd stopped laughing, a screwdriver on his ear and a quick tweak saw performance restored!
@@ASCIITerminal A few years ago I was in my friends Auto Clean workshop this Aston Martin pulled in to have a clean just driven from Switzerland. I could hear this rattle It was the water pump going. I talked with the owner told him he would not believe me he phoned the next day sending me a message thanking me big time I saved him his engine. I'm old school myself. Crypton Tune those were the days only as good as the person using them.
Like many things!
That’s how my farther in law diagnose engine problems he only had to list to them and he would know instantly what the problem was you cannot beat old school proven methods
Some 20+ years ago I had an Opel Manta B from 1980. It had the 2 litre CIH engine with double 2brl 40mm Dellorto carbs. I used to tune them by ear, it wasn't really that difficult once you got used to it.
I said it on one of Iain's first videos. He is "The Carb Whisperer". Legendary.
Everyone leaves Iain's with a smile 😃 as big as that I should imagine.
And your wallet drained to a bare skeleton ! .
Very jealous that you got to experience some time with the Gentleman Maestro himself, Jack! He seems like the kind of man who makes the classic car ownership experience so wonderful by way of knowledge alone!
Amazing what a skilled man with some screwdrivers and a rubber hose can achieve.
Iain Tyrrell is Gold! Getting him to reveal some of his tricks was very special to watch. What a great channel Jack!
Excellent, I had been trying to tune side draft and down drafts for years until Ian explained what to listen for using a rubber tube. Totally changed everything! This is after reading tons of forums and books. Ian is a good man to share this knowledge.
He's famous for tuning by ear and a hose. It's really good that he talks through what he does.
@@GB-vn1tf Yeah about a year ago I sent Tyrell a message on YT about what to listen for, and he told me the process. It's great to see it incorporated in the videos. Only thing I would add- it's a constant process, like tuning an instrument. You can go months in between but the weather, other conditions always change it. It becomes part of owning the vehicle ultimately.
@@discogodfather22 yeah, carburettors are temperamental, 4 twin chocks is a full time job!
Master Yoda with a flat blade screwdriver and a piece of rubber hose. I love it! Not to curse you Jack, but I think you are getting really close to having this squared away. Can't wait till your next episode.
I’m addictive to watching the progress of the car... the guy Ian... he is a legend!!
Hi Jack. As a Porsche owner, yours are the only Ferrari Vids I subscribed to, mainly due to the fact the fact I can almost, always empathise with your octane struggles on these cars and despite all of these you always remain positive. So with this vid, I’m really pleased to see all your efforts at last paying dividends with the Influenza. Its always fantastic to see a legend like Iain work his magic on these cars. Really, really enjoyed it. Many thanks.
Looking forward to the next one. 👍
Jack don’t worry, not boring at all. I’m not the only one that has been on the journey with you, willing for a happy ending! You deserve it mate. Great content cheers for the ride
This channel, Ian's channel and Ratarossa's have taken up so much of my time...but I love watching every minute. Well done Jack, fingers crossed you'll nail it 100% soon
Definitely never boring, and I’m sure that you have helped many viewers who may have similar experiences.
The advantage of an ‘old school’ car is that you only really need to three things right for it to run; fuel, air and spark. No modern sensors or electronic control units to worry about!
Boring? NEVER a Dull Moment with the Influenzo! Very Happy to see you meet up with Ian "The Supercar Wizard" Tyrell. I'm in Canada Jack and I believe that Ian is a Legend!
Best of Luck going forward with his suggestions, it will be interesting to see how much of a difference it makes. Cheers Mate, Stay Safe and Stay Well. ❤🙏❤
I admire how Iain, in his unassuming and unintentional fashion, has become somewhat of a youtube car god. All while being very accomplished at his day job. Classy.
Absolutely not boring. Ian Tyrell's videos are just about my favourite atm. This episode shows how skilled he is! Like a 'Ferrari Whisperer'. Great video Jack.
You've undoubtedly taken the car to the best possible man to give you advice, and you've done it at exactly the right time 👍 I'll now watch the video to see if it's fuel or air that's messed up, or if one of the carbs is damaged...
As for the misfire, check connections in the ignition system for any corrosion or dry solder on boards, I've cured a few cars with poor connections. Tedious work but have patience and be methodical, also look for any electrical parts that have been replaced or even worked on as that can give you the clue you need. 1979s electrics are a nightmare on any car.
So pleased you paid a visit to Iain. I did suggest some nine months ago you would be talking to the right guy.
He’s such a knowledgeable person and an absolute gentleman. Now you can get some smiles per miles 👍👍
Sounds so much better. Good stuff mate.
Getting there! I love the way Ian did the “engine whisper trick”
As a fan of Iain’s channel it’s great to see him in action on your car, thanks for that.
You should learn from him how to double-declutch, your gearbox deserves it and nothing is more satisfying than a well-timed downshift. Italian cars do reward you when you handle them properly
The sound when to take off at 14:20 : Glorious!
13:28 the front manifold heat shield! Of course! Iain makes everything easy! Superlative knowledge with classic cars
The Influenzo is the gift that keeps giving and we loved it. Major improvement, now it sounds and revs like a Ferrari :). And dam, the Toyota GT 2000TY registration there, a cat with history, a Alfa Romeo Montereal, a Lamborghini Espada, a Countach, etc etc dammmmmmmmm
2 of my favorite “car guys.” Love the interaction and enthusiasm! Never boring! Keep it coming.
Mr Tyrrell is an expert, but the fact that He explains the finer detail, shows the man's mastery in knowledge.
We the public are grateful to be able to learn. 😬
It’s called “trauma bonding”, Jack. 😆 That’s why you’re so attached. And the rest of us in a way!
Lol, I'm the same with my jet boat. Breaks down all the time, but I know all it's faults.
It's a variant of "Stockholm Syndrome", only the captor is a car.
Is it why BMW owners love their cars. Absence (in the repair shop) makes the heart grow fonder?
Not boring at all. Please keep documenting your Influenzo journey!
A big thanks to Iain for his help. Jack, good on you taking the risk to drive it the 4 hours to Iain's shop. It sounds much better, and hopefully some minor refinement sorts it.
Having had a carburated Italian car back in the day (Fiat 124), I know how "touchy" those carburetor adjustments can be. I had a problem where my engine would start running very rough after a while, and it turned out to be the idling screw that kept unscrewing itself slightly by the vibrations! Also, the accelerator pump was sticking sometimes. Carburetors are very finicky devices. Iain is certainly a very experienced mechanic with these things, Brilliant. Thanks for sharing. P.S. I could hear that your voice was also "misfiring' near the end of the video. I hope that you didn't get a sore throat?
Accelerator pump has been the source of all by VW bug misery for months. Had no idea the adjustment had slipped to minimum as it is visually obscured by the alternator. It is what caused all the flat spots and rough running when pulling away, so I spent hours adjusting the mixture and the air bypass (idle) screws to try and compensate !! Does the Ferrari have accelerator pumps?
Sounds much better! 😎👍
Incredible how Ian tunes the carbs by ear. I used to have a 6 cylinder bike that had 6 carbs, I used a set of carb balancing vacuum guages to balance them, it was always very fiddly and adjusting one would have an impact on the others, so getting them all balanced was always a challenge.🤔
Honda?
@@enzoschulmeister8625 Yes a Honda CBX1000 cracking bike, sounded beautiful.👍
I thought I was unique in luck that continually trips you up...even I was expecting things to be all ok after Ian did mixture and balance.. can u borrow a set of suitable carbs, known to be good, for further elimination purposes? - Is the tank badly rusted / full of debris that is getting past filter somehow? - Is filter now showing new debris?
Monitor / replace Coil + Amp power feeds and earths - If no affect, Perhaps there is a piece of simple test gear available that clips on to all eight plug leads and feeds 'Scope traces into a laptop App, recording all data during test drive - Sync the traces (timebase) and they should lay ontop of each other perfectly - any exceptions will stand out clearly and can then be traced back to individual leads which will certainly narrow fault location :)
I think the spare carb idea is probably a no but I do suspect a cable on that misfire when it kicks back in at higher revs
Iain is such a nice chap, so much knowledge...sounding sooo much better 👌
Hi Jack.
Always Great to see a Master at Work.
Absolutely A Wealth of Knowledge and Experience.
Great to hear it sounding a lot better.
Wishing you a Brilliant Week Ahead.
Cheers From Trinidad 🇹🇹
Don't worry Jack - it's not getting boring. Quite the opposite in fact!
...unlike the latest offerings from Ratarossa. What's interesting in watching bodywork being rubbed down? Not for me, I'm afraid.
@@jacqui911s Jack's a different level to that guy
@@matthewbell1968 I stopped watching him when one of his videos was sponsored by an online slot machine / betting site, and he gave it a big plug saying how much he enjoyed playing that site. What a tool.
@@JamesandRibble Yup I saw that as well and you're right, a complete tool utterly full of his own self importance. He should watch m539 and learn from a real pro.
@@matthewbell1968 I noticed he then deleted all the comments about his dogshit sponsor, and those criticising him for encouraging people down the black hole of online gambling. I'm not a particularly moralistic person, but you have to be able to look at yourself in the mirror and have a degree of self respect.
Nice to hear it running better than it has been. Shame its not 100% but it is great following your progress with it.
Iain is a old school engine tuner. Seriously knows those cars inside out.
Easy to tell that just from watching him work on the car & his comments.
Long time since I have seen someone balance a multi carb engine by ear.
Following Iain's channel.
Don't worry about things getting boring Jack as they are not.
As entertaining as ever.
Will be great to see the car running 100% but its about the journey getting to that point too.
Brilliant episode, Jack! Watching CZcams’s legendary exotic tuner work on CZcams’s legendary problem 308 was so much fun. 😎
And props to you for your tenacity, good humour and generosity of spirit taking us along this entire adventure. If I driven all that way just to have the issue rear its head half way back I’d be in an institution by day’s end... Onwards!
I remember the time when you heard these engines in these Alfas and even today I get goose bumps. This was truly a wonderful time. Engines still sounded like engines. Great Review 👍
I could listen to Iain sharing his knowledge all day. The guru!
Seeing Iain using the hose to listen to the carbs brought back memories of one of my late mechanics that worked on all my Alfa's in the past. They don't make them like they used to! It makes Great viewing and entertaining. Hopefully you get the "influenzo" to it's peak performace. Persistence beats resistance 💪
I love how you two managed to capture the "Italian" tune-up, as it took place. Drive it like you stole it, and you'll have a "good one". Drive it gently with fear and numbers in your mind, and your car will go to ****. It's an Italian car thing 🤷♂️
Pretty cool of Ian to help with your 308. A certain group of UK CZcamsrs have made these Italian exotics interesting again by focusing on the technical side while deimphasizing the mountain of money needed to acquire and keep them healthy.
Chatting over the engine of a 308... cameraman's eye wanders over to the Countach... you and me both, brother, you and me both.
I know I'm going off on a bit of a tangent, but I did this on a motorbike 500 honda. It was down the bottom of somebody's garden with trees growing all around it. He said if I can get it running I can take it away. I had to do exactly the same thing with the carbs and tick over. I bet you all the money in the world that this is where this guy started out. Knowledge like this guy has got is worth its weight in gold, and still wouldn't be out of place in an F1 garage
Iain Tyrrell: The Prancing Horse Whisperer.
Great stuff, I live close to Iain's place near Chester, its nice just to see all the cars in the workshop as well as your 308!, fantastic looking machine
I've been waiting to see this collaboration Jack. As someone who follows Iain's channel I've seen how he can reinvigorate an engine and this was a treat to watch.
Fascinating what he said about the steering immediately he drove the Influenzo.
That man has possibly forgotten more about tuning classic cars than most people will learn in a lifetime.
Good luck tracking down the misfire and I look forward to seeing how the steering improves after you've lubricated your UJ.
In 1984, we cut up a ‘77 fiberglass 308 GTB and made a real SCCA GT-2 race car out of it. Our engine and transmission work was all done here in Phoenix, Arizona by the legendary Bob Wallace. He was grumpy, to the point and would not tolerate incompetence. He simply did not need to. His shop in a nondescript south Phoenix industrial park always had several Ferrari’s and Lamborghini’s in it for “service” AT ALL TIMES. The license plates on the cars were from all over the world with fleets from the Middle East which were flown here in cargo airplanes, serviced by Bob, and returned the same way. He abhorred assistants, and in my experience, did all the work himself. I will never forget him.
Larry in Glendale, Arizona.
This reminds me of my Alfa 33 with twin double carburettors in the early 90’s.
I live not far from Iain Tyrrells workshop and drive those lanes but not seen him testing anything yet. One day hopefully he's a genius
Great to see you made some good progress there, looking forward to seeing what Ian's thoughts are on the next steps!
Given that IT has setup the fuelling, it has to be ignition that is causing the missing. I think you really need to get an oscilloscope on each plug lead, one by one, under load (especially on a snap throttle). Then you can find which plug/lead/coil (or pair) is/are causing the issue. Something like a u-scope - surely they’ll just send you one foc for the advertising - it’s definitely going to identify your problem IF it’s at all ignition related.
I don’t actually know what the inlets look like on a 308 V8, but if you can just get the needle of an engine stethoscope on each inlet and listen to the sounds each inlet makes on a snap throttle, while stationary, you will definitely here the relative difference. We don’t have the trained-ear that Iain has, but we can tell the “odd one out”. Once you find the odd one out, you can check the coil/plug/lead for that cylinder(s).
Love a youtube crossover and you and Iain Tyrrell are 2 of my favourites! Glad the 308 is running better.. ish.. Awesome video!!
Two things spring to mind. Modern spark plugs do not take kidly to fauling up. Get new and start driving at once, no standing idling etc. Plus maybe you need to adjust the accpumps on the carbs, if they give too much fuel too early then it reacts like that. I am happy that Iain took up the fact that idle screws do a lot for the cars drivability not just the idle. You are very close to finding the solution now. Good luck!-)
Iain Tyrrells CZcams Channel is my favorite youtube channel of all time to watch. The man is absolutely brilliant.
Just gonna throw it out there but check your vacuum lines thoroughly. even cracks can cause huge issues. Rubber is usually shot on cars that old and it can be hard to see what is bad. It's usually best to replace all the old rubber at the same time. It was nice to see you visit Tyrell- he is a master at what he does.
“Congratulations, looking forward to having a look at it” - Iain Tyrrell, the man lives up to the legend.
What an absolutely lovely chap Iain is, and what an insight into his amazing old school capabilities and experience. He even disclosed his secrets about what to listen for and described in detail how to tune those carbs..... not many experts would do that.
Great video Jack I really enjoyed it, and hope you get that misfire sorted.... thankyou.👍🇬🇧
getting close - i recon theres some s**t floating about in one of the idle jets - every now + again blocking it. chased my tail on a pinto 38 DGAS setup, eventually bought 2 idle jets + it was fixed. i never saw anything in the jets to cause the problem, but something was wrong with at least one of them. unfortunately u need 8... oh well, its only money....
Fabulous episode! I still think that the miss is electrical now that you know the carbs and the jets are set correctly. Go back and start over on the electronic check list, you'll find it and it will probably be something ridiculously obvious!
I have watched Iain’s channel from the start and he really is awesome. His level of knowledge is unsurpassed and his storytelling is fascinating.
Great video Jack, you have the patience of a saint and we were really hoping Ian would help you get to the bottom of the misfire. We’ll keep watching. All the best Vint-tro.
Thanks chap!! Enjoy the rest of the weekend!!
Ian is such a gentleman and the ultimate car whisperer
Brilliant. Not only has my love for 308s grown very deeply over the past couple of years, but I love Ian's work and you are a very pleasant presence in general. Lovely car, sir. I'm off to watch Ian and a Dino, in my opinion THE most beautiful car EVER, but I look forward to more of you and your smile machine.
The British version of Hoovies Garage meets Car Wizard.
Fantastic to see the visit we’ve all been waiting for. The car most definitely didn’t look out of place amongst Iain’s exotica.
Sat next to Iain I would be either 1) Giggling like a shool girl or 2) Struck dumb with admiration.
Great Video - enjoyed very much. As for the misfiring - pretty sure the carbs are fixed. But there is fuel supply and - most important - ignition to check. Did you check if misfiring is temperature dependent? Could be OT sensors, cables and coils. Or even distributor cabs. OT sensors most likely if occuring ar low revs at warmed up engine. Just a thought. And - grounding the Digiplexes is essential. Thanks for keeping us never bored just by providing you vids!
He's cheap for the expertise he offers the man is almost irreplaceable 👍
I really enjoy watching your videos as a classic car enthusiast. I'm sure with perseverance you'll get it running 100%. Some advise I can give that I haven't seen in your videos. It may be worth checking the accelerator pumps. Each carburetor will have one and if working correctly will produce a good jet of petrol from each choke. If not, the rubber diaphragm may be perished. A good way to check is by looking into each carb with the choke valve open. Then open the throttle wide. You should see petrol squirting in. You could also try using Gunson Colortune. Basically a glass spark plug that comes in different thread sizes. It lets you see the combustion inside the cylinder and the colour indicates the performance of the mixture. Its available on Ebay and Amazon. It may be another way of identifying the troublesome cylinder(s).
Old Italian sports cars are like old Italian women, a little bit hit and miss, but when they are working well great fun!!
Cor it’s been so many years since I had to adjust the balance on a carb and fiddle with the idle speed. It brought back lots of memories of ongoing frustration but also that HUGE hit of dopamine when it went right and improved performance. Keep going - loving seeing how this develops. Thanks for another great video.
WOW that sounds so much better, Iain is a master!
Carb balancing, one of the great lost arts. There is such a gulf that has opened between true mechanics and modern technicians. Of course the cars themselves are different now, and have different needs. But I miss hanging around with the old school guys, and learning the fundamental mysteries of internal combustion.
He seems so down to earth even though he has achieved so much. Great man 👌
Nice to see a master at work. All the little crumbs of knowledge like the steering UJs gained over decades working on these cars is gold dust to an owner, invaluable.
mixture screws will be the primary performance adjustment from idle to 1/8th throttle, then the needle height takes over up to 3/4 throttle, then the size of the main jet on WOT
So great to see a humble pro like Iain Tyrrell. It must be worth travelling that far 😊
stumbled into this channel..looks like i'm staying here..
Brilliant, thanks!!
@@Number27 u're welcome !
Jack....great respect to you for your patience and your appreciation of all the steps that you're making! Amazing video updates everytime.
Look forward to the next update :)
Great content. I’ve listened to this chap quite a few times.(with Harry and his Lambo etc). Car sounds so much better....until the end....????
"That's the front manifold heat shield"
Cue great feeling of relief that the noise was a cheap fix, and not something catastrophic.
Could be a fuel supply issue ????? Or different carbs getting different amounts/rates of fuel getting to each carb ?
It's called balancing the carbs. The hose is one way to hear air flow , but they have ports to connect to a proper manometer.
Hello again from Burry Port, 15 miles west of Swansea. Some time ago, my v-twin motorcycle had an intermittent misfire, the cause of which was a devil to ascertain. It turned out to be an HT lead which had become corroded to a greenish colour at the spark plug end, only visible after the sheathing was cut back. Being a cheap git, I'd already bought a low mileage pair of replacement coils, {plus a rectifier and other bits and bobs from eBay} and wonder if your car might have the same issue. It was pretty unexpected in the case of my bike, as I try to avoid riding in the wet nowadays. Hope you manage to find the cause soon.
Best regards.
This car is so absolutely gorgeous, you can forgive it anything!