I had the option of the Elites TZ-9 or DSS-9 over 30 years ago. I loved both but the DSS-9s hooked me better. Years later, I traded a mint Pioneer SX receiver for another pair of the DSS-9. By that time the TZ-9 were discontinued so I did not have that option again.
Awesome speakers. In 1978 our ship was in Japan and I bought a pair of Pioneer CS 722 speakers. Every stereo dealer I spoke to said that they were only sold in Japan. They had four green LEDs and one red overload LED that I had flickering at all times. LOL
There were quite a number of models only sold over seas in the military exchanges, so quite possible. I bet there are LOTS of stories your pair could tell. :-)
Thank you for your review. have you looked at the pioneer elite TZ7? I’m curious as to what your review of that model would be also, what are the models of the large new advent speakers that you were comparing the TZ9 to?
@@cruzcordero1813 Hi there. The Advents are the New Large Advent in the Walnut cabinet from around 1980. I have not owned the TZ7, so I cannot review them, but I would expect them to sound quite similar to the TZ9.
Beast speakers! It's interesting that whilst the big name Japanese manufacturers have always had great market share for their electronics, they've never really seemed to be anything like as ubiquitous or well regarded (in the west) for loudspeakers. It's odd, especially when speakers like these (and the famous Yamaha NS-1000) are so well regarded and prove that these manufacturers could make excellent speakers like anyone else. They do say that speaker sales tend to be very regional i.e. US-made speakers popular in the US, European-made speakers in Europe, Japanese-made in Japan. I'm pretty sure that is the case, but I think it's less to do with different preferences for sound across different continents as practicalities. After all speakers are (or usually are) the biggest and heaviest items in a HiFi system for which there are logistical implications and it's a lot easier for manufacturers to set up distribution/ shipping within their respective territories than outside of them...
Unfortunately, I think it has to do partially with logistics. Speakers tend to be large and two are required, so it becomes very expensive to ship them. The big names could certainly put their engineering skills into play and crank out some very high end speakers, like the TZ-9 and NS-1000, but they mostly stayed in the mass market level where the speakers tended to be smaller/lighter, less costly.
Do you have the TZ-7's as well? I picked up a very nice pair of TZ-7ltd's this past summer for $100.00 and really like them but I don't have much experience in quality audio stuff to really judge them.
I do not have the TZ-7 model. I am sure they sound great, but probably just do not need quite the space as the TZ-9. You are now getting experience with quality audio! :-)
I recently purchased a set of the TZ-9LTD speakers (the piano black finish) and one of the mid range domes was damaged in transit by the delivery company. Any chance you could help source a replacement? I have had no luck looking on my own.
Sometime you need to test "stacked" Advents. I used to have stacked Advents - I recall "the whole is greater than the sum of the parts". May give the tower Pioneer a bit more of a run.
I have read about that for some time, great reviews on the inverted stacking. I bet you could even put them a bit off-axis of each other and improve the soundstage quite a bit. If I get a second pair up and going, I'll give them a test.
@@stereoniche I ran stacked Advents back in the late 1970s, powered by a McIntosh 2505. Soundstage was always diffuse and hardly pin point accurate no matter how they were arranged. They did sound big and very wideband. No need for a subwoofer. Great for Mahler, pipe organ, and Prog Rock. An interesting vintage arrangement at any rate. Be interested in your review.
@@stereoniche not a problem, figured I’d ask! They look and seem identical besides not being black and labeled with the Elite. Looking at a pair and the guy is asking $300/pair in mint condition and original owner
@@jkroemer2685 They appear to have the same sized cabinet, but at least the midrange is different from the TZ7 model. If you get them, let us know how you like them.
I have have not measured the DBs, but certainly not concert level, but probably low 80’s. I mostly sit between them in the “sweet spot”, but I do move about to get an idea of how wide is the sweet spot, etc..
I have not heard the 200, but I have heard several sets of the 100 and down. But, I do have another HPM version I picked up recently that I may be reviewing soon, so stay tuned.
I had the option of the Elites TZ-9 or DSS-9 over 30 years ago.
I loved both but the DSS-9s hooked me better. Years later, I traded a mint Pioneer SX receiver for another pair of the DSS-9. By that time the TZ-9 were discontinued so I did not have that option again.
I have not run across a set of DSS-9 yet, Maybe one day.
Awesome speakers. In 1978 our ship was in Japan and I bought a pair of Pioneer CS 722 speakers. Every stereo dealer I spoke to said that they were only sold in Japan. They had four green LEDs and one red overload LED that I had flickering at all times. LOL
There were quite a number of models only sold over seas in the military exchanges, so quite possible. I bet there are LOTS of stories your pair could tell. :-)
Thank you for your review. have you looked at the pioneer elite TZ7? I’m curious as to what your review of that model would be also, what are the models of the large new advent speakers that you were comparing the TZ9 to?
@@cruzcordero1813 Hi there. The Advents are the New Large Advent in the Walnut cabinet from around 1980. I have not owned the TZ7, so I cannot review them, but I would expect them to sound quite similar to the TZ9.
Keep up the great work buddy!!
Truly appreciate it!
Thanks! Will do!
Great video Enjoyed it. Never heard of that model of Pioneer before.
Fairly rare beast indeed, but what a gem.
Rare speakers
Very true.
I remember the Elite line...love your reviews fair and all encompassing. New to your channel Keep up the good work.
Welcome aboard and thanks for the comments!
Beast speakers! It's interesting that whilst the big name Japanese manufacturers have always had great market share for their electronics, they've never really seemed to be anything like as ubiquitous or well regarded (in the west) for loudspeakers. It's odd, especially when speakers like these (and the famous Yamaha NS-1000) are so well regarded and prove that these manufacturers could make excellent speakers like anyone else. They do say that speaker sales tend to be very regional i.e. US-made speakers popular in the US, European-made speakers in Europe, Japanese-made in Japan. I'm pretty sure that is the case, but I think it's less to do with different preferences for sound across different continents as practicalities. After all speakers are (or usually are) the biggest and heaviest items in a HiFi system for which there are logistical implications and it's a lot easier for manufacturers to set up distribution/ shipping within their respective territories than outside of them...
Unfortunately, I think it has to do partially with logistics. Speakers tend to be large and two are required, so it becomes very expensive to ship them. The big names could certainly put their engineering skills into play and crank out some very high end speakers, like the TZ-9 and NS-1000, but they mostly stayed in the mass market level where the speakers tended to be smaller/lighter, less costly.
Never knew these existed!
They are certainly under the radar.
Hello, your reviews are quite nice and different from others. What is a realistic price for the TZ9 in today's market?
Thanks for the comments. They are rare and can sell from $1800-3000
Those would look great in my room
Then by all means you NEED a set! 🙂
Dood, liked and Subbed!
Welcome aboard!
These were $4000/pr in 1989.
Any chance of lowering the music relative to your voice. I found myself having to ride the volume control constantly. Otherwise the episode was great!
Has to be a way, I will make that my learning bullet for the next video. Thanks for the feedback!
Do you have the TZ-7's as well? I picked up a very nice pair of TZ-7ltd's this past summer for $100.00 and really like them but I don't have much experience in quality audio stuff to really judge them.
I do not have the TZ-7 model. I am sure they sound great, but probably just do not need quite the space as the TZ-9. You are now getting experience with quality audio! :-)
I recently purchased a set of the TZ-9LTD speakers (the piano black finish) and one of the mid range domes was damaged in transit by the delivery company. Any chance you could help source a replacement? I have had no luck looking on my own.
That may be near impossible unless from a donor. Send me an email to stereoniche@gmail.com
I'd keep a close eye on ebay as well. Sometimes rare drivers end up there.
Sometime you need to test "stacked" Advents. I used to have stacked Advents - I recall "the whole is greater than the sum of the parts". May give the tower Pioneer a bit more of a run.
I have read about that for some time, great reviews on the inverted stacking. I bet you could even put them a bit off-axis of each other and improve the soundstage quite a bit. If I get a second pair up and going, I'll give them a test.
@@stereoniche I ran stacked Advents back in the late 1970s, powered by a McIntosh 2505. Soundstage was always diffuse and hardly pin point accurate no matter how they were arranged. They did sound big and very wideband. No need for a subwoofer. Great for Mahler, pipe organ, and Prog Rock. An interesting vintage arrangement at any rate. Be interested in your review.
Do you have any experience with the S-T500’s? They look very much like the TZ7’s.
I have not run across a pair of this model, so unfortunately, no, I have not experienced them. If you have a set, how do you like them?
@@stereoniche not a problem, figured I’d ask! They look and seem identical besides not being black and labeled with the Elite. Looking at a pair and the guy is asking $300/pair in mint condition and original owner
@@jkroemer2685 They appear to have the same sized cabinet, but at least the midrange is different from the TZ7 model. If you get them, let us know how you like them.
@@stereoniche ahhh good to know and will report back 🫡!
What db level do you test at and are you seated between the speakers? Thanks for the video?
I have have not measured the DBs, but certainly not concert level, but probably low 80’s. I mostly sit between them in the “sweet spot”, but I do move about to get an idea of how wide is the sweet spot, etc..
hi sir i want to buy this Vintage Pioneer Speakers TZ9 pair pls reply how can
Hi there. Thanks for reaching out. While I do sometimes sell items, the Pioneer speakers are not for sale.
Have you ever heard the pioneer HPM 200? I have a pair but they're not for me
I have not heard the 200, but I have heard several sets of the 100 and down. But, I do have another HPM version I picked up recently that I may be reviewing soon, so stay tuned.