2021 Nissan Patrol Ti-L vs 2021 Toyota LandCruiser 300 Sahara | 4X4 Australia
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- čas přidán 25. 07. 2024
- We pitch the all-new 300 Series up against its traditional foe, the current model Y62 Nissan Patrol. What we have here is the top-of-the-range Patrol Ti-L which sells for $93,365, up against the similarly specified LC300 Sahara at $130,190.
INTRO: 00:00
300 SERIES: 01:00
PATROL: 08:18
VERDICT: 14:58
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The interlinked hydraulic suspension in the Y62 was invented by my father here in Western Australia, he also invented the KDSS suspension in the LC200. The system in the Patrol is superior, it's very good. The system used in the Patrol was also licensed to McLaren Automotive and they still use it today. The system in the LC200 was licensed to Citroen for their WRC cars and Mitsubishi for the Dakar cars.
Interesting that you mentioned Nissan and McLaren. Modern McLaren V8s are derived from Nissan’s Le Mans V8, the VRH35L. Nissan is capable of top notch design, this is evident in GTRs and in the Z cars; but in some ways, their 4wds as well where they are known for their strength.
Did your dad found the Kinetic Pty company?
My Father invented air
@@dr.emilschaffhausen4683 Yes
@@obiwun32 Very cool!
Both awesome. The new LC300 has more functions and options. But Patrol is more comfortable, larger and has beautiful exterior design. So my choice is Nissan Patrol 💪🏻
I saw a patrol today and it was big as hell, but is the patrol larger in height and in length then the 300?
@@bssh5891 Of course buddy, you can find all data about the comparison
@@fmstudio085 thank you for responding brother 🙏🏻
Y62 it handles better , much more room , much cheaper, good quality interior , better off-roading. I owned Y62 since 2018 with 0 problems and I go off-roading a lot and my children love it 😊.
Only a nissan can do that
Long term Toyota owner making the move to the 62.
Will be interesting to see how these small block diesels (almost all new diesels getting smaller capacity) in general, last when they get some serious kms on the odo especially long towing kms. There’s no replacement for displacement.
I have owned a Y62 since July 2014 , and have a new one arriving in February. Fuel economy has been better that spec, 9 litres per 100 km on the drive from Sydney to Byron bay after a stainless steel exhaust was fitted , better than the V8 200 series Landcruiser my business partner owned. He recently sold it after a raft of problems and disappointing fuel efficiency. The Patrol has had zero problems in 7 years , I loaned it to a wealthy friend and he asked if it was new , the leather interior remains spotless. The car is enormous but remains a joy to drive with amazing acceleration and performance, on a recent trip to Dubai I noted that several with Royal plates were parked at the 5 star Hotel we were dining at , if the richest family in the Emirates drive these vehicles it must mean they are the best available. One disappointing thing is the Australian spec cars lack the updated centre consul present on the Middle Eastern spec vehicles but has all the updated safety semi autonomous driving features. Nissan is a company run by engineers historically ( now the Lebanese crook Goshon has fled Japan once again) the Patrol shows this heritage. I wholeheartedly agree with this review, the Landruisers twin centrally mounted turbo charged highly stressed new engine will be a risk not worth taking given the huge distances and isolation users in Australia regularly confront , try fixing that without a factory authorised service facility if something goes wrong.
Without that" Lebanese crook" you wouldn't have those amazing cars
i can only dream to have either of them...
my 22 years old Y61 is still going strong so I am sticking to it :)
My 1HZ is still crawling up hills like a snail
@@BAJATWIN my 2006 Y61 has 380,000kms and is no speed machine either. I feel your pain. 😂
@@horseman9582 @bajatwin phrase “going strong” by no means should be understood my 61 goes fast…anywhere 😂
Garbage car . New ones are better
@@abovethelaw4417 pffft ok turbo
Excellent honest review, your comments on on the Landcruiser are spot on and not just pumping up the ‘ new’ cruiser. If I had an early 200 series, worth considering. But if I had a late model 200 it is just incremental for the money
Finally a true comparison and not one that has been sponsored by Toyota. Patrol is the better car. Period!
Patrol always better, but lc win always . Thats life. Ppl not really buy the better, they buy wjat they believed better . Sounds rare but its true
Fan boy comment haha… everything is always “sponsored by ____” when the car that’s picked as better isn’t the one they like 😂😂😂
Patrol wins the battle, but Land Cruiser wins the war!!!
In middle east people buy patrol more rather than land cruiser hear it's mostly bought by rich people as for patrols they buy it because they are much and they are better at dunes compared to land cruisers it's very common to patrols lc300 nope it's hard to find one
I've actually sold my Landy and bought Y62S5 and what an amazing car to drive !
Reviewer: “Like most Toyota’s, there’s plenty of tech inside here”
Audience: “ 😆 What is he smoking 😆”?
Probably has a tape deck.
Pretty much has the same tech as the landcruiser packaged in an interior from the 80's.
@@darmah990alchemy6 removable
@@plakic How does the interior seem 80s?
@@GRcorolla-bt3mn the fake woodgrain inserts.
Tremendous review, as a Y62 owner myself who lives on the road touring Australia ‘permanently’, I agree with the comments of how the Y62 performs. It’s a hard vehicle to ‘beat’, especially when towing 3T behind on and off road. 👌🤠
We test drove both. Then bought the Patrol without hesitation. More powerful, rides better, more solid, sounds better, and immensely cheaper ($30k saving). The Toyota was tinny, harsh ride, complex infotainment, the bonnet flexing during the drive like it’s made of plastic. It felt like a cross between a Prado and a Camry. Lastly, I get my Patrol in 6 months, not a year or more that is Toyota’s delivery timeframe.
Not paying $6k+ for diesel injectors every 150k either......
the patrol is as comfy as the lx570 no kidding, just hard to justify the price of new land cruisers, the patrol does everything you want
Toyotas are overrated in every segment
Have been waiting for this Face to face comparison
A job well done I couldn't of said it any better.👏🏼
Thank You.
EXCELLENT review.
This review was spot on, am sure under towing load of 3.5tonnes the LC 300 will use more fuel.
Let me just say that both cars just look exquisite. Very good looking, they go well next to each other.
Buy a patrol, stick on a harrop supercharger and 35s and you will be unstoppable...💪💪
won't the supercharger stress the engine ?
Here in Dubai the 2022 V8 Left Hand Drive Nissan Patrols have 8 model versions including a new V6 but with a totally new interior and an up to date dashboard which was introduced in early 2021 but I have noticed in New Zealand have left the Right Hand Drive versions with the old 2017 interiors
Australia and New Zealand missed out on the new interior for the Nissan Y62. Still makes do with the interior from circa 2009
Biggest downfall is that dated interior, would sell a lot more to the soccer mums if we had the same as in Saudi, I’m still buying one, my ti-l is due in March
Patrol Rocks Off/On Roadz! 🤘
Finally an honest no frills comparison. Thank you!
As you’ve pointed out when it comes to just doing the job they are intended to do the Patrol still can do it regardless of it age. I drove the y62 once and now it has replaced my 200. What a bargain they are in comparison!
Fair review. Dare I say it, I'd have the Patrol as well.
I'd still prefer as late model 100 Series VX or Shara without the trick suspension and a 1HD-FTE, but if someone was giving one away, Patrol all day (I've got a 150 Prado in the driveway, so I'm not biased).
Problem is, modern diesels especially with DPF are too expensive when it comes to major servicing.
The 5.6L has shown it's an understressed unit and verrrry reliable. Chews the gas, but you make it back up when you gotta spend thousands on diesel pumps and diesel injectors.
Proud owner of Y62! Love em.. On the Lc200 300 comparison side, it all depends on who the audience is and where they live. In the urban Patrol no doubt. Fit it with long range tank and it will take me anywhere...
If getting a 98 octane is rare in outskirts or outback and you live there and then yes lc200 or 300 diesel
But those people mostly buy similar to 70 series as its work truck most of the times....
Its funny people compare the two. Why at first place? To each their own! I see whenever the folks see 200 300 vs Y62 they become keyboard warriors :(
Good review.
- Patrol fan boy but not anti 200 300 :)
No problems with regular ULP every now and then. I had to fuel up in a small rural town with no pulp. Towing as well.
If you are heading out bush where u95 or 98 is hard to get, with a long range tank you can get away with a few bottles of Octane boosters, get on special and you are laughing
@@J-P88 yes absolutely ! Thats an options too
Mine runs on ethanol every day for 100000ks now no issues at all, tows horse float. To date I’ve never paid more for ethanol than diesel some times up to 20 cents cheaper.
91 is fine for the y62
loved this.. very objective.. well done
Excellent review, we need more motoring journalists like your self.
This was a good review, but their ute comparison earlier in the year was clearly rigged to shit.
Great comparison. Thank you.
Was wondering what inherent problems the y62 has?
It’s a shame that the Australian market didn’t get the updated interior like overseas in the Nissan
Own one myself. 2nd trim but it’s disappointing how behind the infotainment and technology is. no apple car play and trip computer is as good as any car 10 years ago. but drives well and had no problems .
They don't have any problems
The pearl white has very bad paint which flakes off
@@uww.v that’s why my father took all of his cars in black color
Black color looks royal
Amazing how now the 200 Series 4.5litre diesel is now being referred to as not terribly fuel efficient. Up until the release of the 300 all the Toyota fan boys would rave about it. Driving both the 200 and a Y62 on a regular basis I know that the 200 was a guzzling pos. The Y62 at least goes when you plant the foot
Calling BS on driving both vehicles on a regular basis.
@@Phil_McAvity On my second Y62 and work vehicle is a GX 200. Toyota Fanboy Phil?
@@darren6407 I most certainly am 🤙
wtfc's (cares) - you spend $100k+ on a vehicle, be prepared to pay to run the thing
It’s not efficient, the y62 actually uses less fuel towing a 3 tonne load in independent testing when compared to the 4.5.
Good to see LC's finally caught up with Discovery 4 for long distance driving comfort. Reliability, well thats its own discussion. Excellent review.
Unfortunately imo nothing I have driven has come close to long distance driving comfort of the Disco 4, drove an lc300 gr, haven't driven the patrol yet
@@gixxr88 lol yes, and its only other D4 would understand. I think The Big T has become just a little too precious, or is that precocious. Either-way my gut is saying why not just simply allow budget for keeping the 2.7 tip top and on the road.
@@gixxr88 ‘D4 owners’
I was waiting for this !?
I drove a 300 and 80kms and above the bonnet vibrates, i asked the salesman if he had noticed anything and he straight away commented that it happens over 80kms so it was not just me been picky. it drove ok but did not wow me, i went and brought a 200 series and could not be happier.
They have made it much lighter that’s why. Aluminium but the new v6 seems beefy. Nothing wrong with saving a shitload at the gas station either
ye the new bonnet is so fricking thin and made of aluminum, i was watching a video of it by 4wd 24/7, and in a slow-motion shot driving in corrugated roads, the whole front bumper and a bit of the hood was moving, yikes!
Good video. Liked how you said about driving around town it will drink quite a bit more compared to highway driving. Also, if ya going off road, out back, cross country, do ya really want a high tech vehicle? Basic interior, mechanicals, some technology inside is better isn't it? Agree with you on engines are getting too small. Both in australia and here in nz, we love towing the boats, caravans or trailers. We want that bigger, heavier vehicle with the bigger engine to tow up hills, long distance, heavier vehicle to slow the trailer on a down hill instead of trailer pushing the vehicle out of control.
Have owned my Nissan Y62 (series 5) for 10,000Kms, currently averaging 11.0L/100km, the fuel economy has been a pleasant surprise I wasn't expecting.
If you are buying a 300 for fuel efficiency just the price difference adds up to 450,000km of driving the 300 to break even with the patrol. Then add the interest onto that $37,000 and you wouldn't even see it.
Would be interesting to see how the economy stands up to a caravan tow test I know the patrol was better than 200.
Good calculations many peoples don't understand that.
It would never break even because the servicing costs for a TDV6 are going to be higher, plus insurance on a higher value vehicle. Might as well just go the V8 for the KW.
When it comes to aftermarket the fact you can just bolt 35's and a 2 inch lift on the Nissan is nice. The 300 track has been pushed out and with stock 265s is already flush with the body so flares are likely needed when you go to 33's (and the shocks have been moved outside the rail and are vertical on the rear, can't just push the rims in with offset), the suspension droop on the factory front suspension is pushing CV angles as far as you'd want which means any lift kit is likely to need a diff drop. It's pretty capable stock but for people looking to mod the Toyota is going to be very costly.
@@tuna_6548 yeah I bet you have change injectors more often and they will probably be 2000 each
Honestly the resale value greatly helped the 200 at that game. But that new one looks like a toaster and is so compromised and expensive that I doubt the situation will be comparable. Fuel economy should however be far batter than the 200's.
Great review
When towing a large load the naturally aspirated engine in the patrol proved to be much more efficient in terms of fuel consumption when compared to the 4.5litre diesel v8 in the previous cruiser. The fact that it’s n/a actually helps it in this case given that under high load n/a engines can run considerably leaner afrs. Would be very curious what the fuel consumption of the cruisers new v6 would be under load towing 3 tonnes.
@666 Dual Sport ok
watch 24-7 offroad video on the 300 series, they go over towing and mpg
@@kyle9482 24-7 is the toyota fanboy page, honest feed back will come when actual buyers pay the huge asking price, to realise how under done it really is, history shows smaller capacity higher strung vehicles don’t last, burn fuel under load. Iam sure the hotV and 10speed will love the heat, luckily for toyota the aftermarket will fix it up, what you buy off the showroom floor from toyota I don’t really know.
@@paulmcintosh5589 true. Lol
1 or 2 years after this they will release the new nissan patrol. a bit too late but im happy with my y62 2016 for now
Great review by someone who gets it. V8 is all the entertainment system you need.
Love the Patrol 👍
2:05 Love it!! "saving money at the f*#&!en pump" .... well that's what I heard anyway. Awesome review. Giving it a year so Toyota gets a chance to work out the bugs if any, and hope to enjoy my new 300 in 2023 sometime....... hopefully they'll have sorted out the supply issues with semiconductors by then and the wait time isn't a year.
When I grow up, the Patrol will tick all the boxes for me. For now, I'll keep on enjoying my X-Trail T31.
After reducing tire pressures, which one is better for soft sand beach driving with 5 big people on board?
Finally an honest review
Wish Australia got the 3.5 twin turbo petrol engine. That'll be fun to drive
So true. Much better engine and fun to drive but only available in GCC.
Great insight. Kindly would talk about a Nissan Patrol Y61 TB 48 Engine
I love my tb48 !
Patrol wins ✊🏾 waiting for the new patrol to completely destroy that LC 😈
Nissan can never destroy Toyota. Lest you forget, the reviewer said that Toyota outsell the competition by 5 to 1
@@elcommandante6211
That somthing you shouldn't care about unless you own some shares of Toyota 😜.
We should care about Performance
Got rid of the 200 for a good price. And bought a new Y62 Nissan Patrol. Couldn't be happier.
I would never buy another noisy smelly and expensive diesel motor vehicle ever again.
Great review and comparison. The changes in the new LC300 are very subtle, especially the exterior design. Very conservative. Patrol looks aggro. My winner is the Patrol.
nice explanation i like it
Is there an updated Y62 due anytime soon?
Does the Nissan Patrol V8 have cylinder deactivation for fuel economy like the 2004 Nissan Armada with the same 5.6L V8?
Not in an Australian delivery vehicle, they do have variable valve lift and timing that makes them very efficient, the big chev and ram both have cylinder deactivation are near enough to a 200 for efficiency,
Here in the USA, the Y62 is Armada and basic 4x4 is $52k delivered. We don't get 300 series LC, so used 200 LC's are over the roof. Toyota introduced the new Tundra and the Crewmax SR5 TRD offroad is $50K delivered. I am lost between New Armada or Tundra or s used LC 200 (10 years old).
It is amazing how affordable the iconic Y62 patrol (aka Armada is in the USA). They did it with just a little big decontenting items that the USA landcruiser also does not offer ( rear locker for one). The opportunity to buy a brand new Y62 for 50-55K USD is amazing.
you're a wizard, Harry
That pretty much sums up why I bought the patrol over a landcruiser. Better value for money.
the 2021 nissan patrol in the middle east has a totally different interior with two screens one for the apple car play and android auto and the other one is for the climate controls
Both cars are good but I prefer the 3.5L TT V6 LC300 engine it is more powerful than the V8 in Patrol and is very comfortable and smooth ride. Well I live in the GCC so the trim which I bought is the full specked VXR trim. At first when I was going to buy a new 4x4. I was fully prepared by the Patrol 2021 but when I drove the LC300 3.5L it changed my mind. People in Australia try the 3.5L petrol engine once it will change your mind.
It is not available in Australia. We only get the diesel junk. Toyota has different vehicles spec in each country. The petrol option would have been nice. It will be available in the Lexus model though. Would you choose diesel 300 over Patrol?
@@jtomaugusthy5986 ofc I would go for Petrol Patrol but I would strongly recommend you to test drive the 3.5 TT V6 engine in any brand (Toyota or Lexus ) it will change your mind.
@@tabishvanti2526 I will definitely try the Lexus , once it’s available.
y’all gandos can barely afford prado that’s why y’all have pajeros
Nissan patrol king of the desert
Excellent review 😅
Well done for an honest review. The patrol is the better car.
Great video, but I would love to see a side by side comparison on everything possible for a short term review. One without mention of previous models which are void in a comparison of the LC300 vs the most modern Y62.
Bang for buck my wife and I bought a 2015 Grand Cherokee Overland 5.7L Hemi 2 years ago because it was the equivalent price of a twenty year old LC. Lots more tech for a lot less. For how I drive, 13L/100km fuel and $150ish of 98 at the bowser. I was definitely hesitant because of the so called rep that Jeeps get, but I knew a few blokes with diesel Jeeps and one with a hemi, all of which said they had little to no dramas to that point, so I figured I'd give it a go. Haven't regretted it yet.
Moral of the story, DON'T get sucked into buying a vehicle you don't actually want, need or afford. DO YOUR OWN RESEARCH FOR FACTS, NOT OPINIONS!!
Fuel economy and definitely tyre mileage is all about how you drive it and with what weight, as well as pressures for tyres obviously.
@Tony F absolutely make money back on land cruisers. I just cant believe some people have been buying used land cruisers for more than a new one. Each to their own I guess.
I do love land cruiser's, had an 80 a couple years back and I would love another one but I just can't do it for the price people are asking.
I'm not a fan of the 300 either hahaha. I wish Toyota would build a no fuss, near zero electronics, new version of something like the 80 series, or even a 60 series. Something with a front axle haha.
@Tony F yes so true! Its all about creature comforts now.
i really like the patrol, but i’d personally take lc all day
Both of them are best. Reliable and can get you out in no time.. unlike new land rovers
I'm not a big fan of the new infotainment systems /displays in the new cars. They getting to big and distracting. I prefer the interior of the Nissan.
Any logical thinking person will go for Patrol, with ~40k difference, one can purchase more petrol for few hundred thousand km, by the time the 300 twin turbo need to be replaced while the NA VK56 of Patrol still going strong.
to break even the patrol would have to travel 450k kms to break even with the lc way more expensive price tag… for the electronic diesel fuel injector in the lc will also have to be replaced every 150k kms… costing 6k
Spot on Mia 👍
Finally!!
About 2002 nissan went similar way to toyota in 2021, changed 4.2l to 3.0l more efficient, more grunt engine, that didint work out that great for them. Looks like toyota is 20yrs behind, anyway i love my til!
Who in there right mind makes a 4x4 suited to a family with white interior 🤦♀️
You have the old Patrol. Here in the Philippines, we just had the updated Patrol with the updated infotainment and interior. 2 big screens with apple carplay and android auto, wireless charging and tanned interior.
What's the fuel economy at row limit vs a v8??
For those who haven't yet, don't hesitate to watch Paul Maric's review of the 300, then you'll understand how terrible that 3rd row is.
Great comparo...very objective. My choice is the Patrol.
Patrol everyday all day!💪
Does the 300 rely adblue?
Great review 👍, you guys in Australia are the only ones that value the Nissan patrol/armada. Saddly in the USA and Canada people are trying to kill the market on the Patrol/Armada and the Nissan Titan 😔.
Australians the only ones? Come to Dubai buddy. Patrol is the most driven full size SUV here. You will see a patrol every 2 miles you drive on the road. Locals here are crazy about their patrols. There are hundreds of workshops dedicated to patrol conversions/mods. Its a patrol haven here xD.
@@tigerdyn happy to hear.👍
@@tigerdyn Kuwait as well. New FJ's available but those could be in other places, not in the US though.
Ppl don't buy the Armada much but they buy a lot of the infinity version of the Patrol,( same company) that's the one I see the most everywhere, big ass infinity V8 everywhere i go in Maryland USA🤔🤔,
Also here in Saudi Arabia ppl value the Nissan patrol Y62 and Y61, Patrol market growing very strong, i am a previous owner of 2015 Lexus LX570 and i can say it Patrol Y62 is much refined than Lexus in every way except the crawling system.
Don’t get why they don’t offer the v8 we get here in the US over in Australia … 5.3l v8 380hp engine mated to the 8 speed is just right for this size truck.
I'm so glad to finally see some reviews from people who don't have Toyota's phallus in their mouth. Toyota's have been insanely overpriced for years for the products they're selling.
Asise comfort, question is which one will last longer?
Really wanted to know.. how the new Toyota fares with Defender and Wrangler
As much as i hate to admit it the wrangler is probably better off road than the y62 and 300. As for the defender, its a glorified crossover
The y62 was around in 2010.
I notice you keep referring to the top price of a 300 Sahara but are quoting a price well under retail for a Y62, can you please let me know where you can get a Y62 for under 100k?
I got a TiL for 97,000 2 months ago
Brought a TI for $75k last November
Hmm performace of onroad made judgement for the segment. Not sure if you made right comment for the 4x4 channel. Thought making judgement on offroad capabilities would made for sense. Anyway my 2cent.
Patrol would still win on offroad, for such an expensive car it still doesn't even come with rear diff lock (standard on ALL Patrol) unless you go to the severely compromised GR Sport range at an even more expensive price tag.
So if the highly reflective controls didn't get picked up until exposed to the bright Australian sunshine, what does that say about Toyota's much vaunted real world testing?
Have you seen the 300 video with the bonnet almost coming off it’s hinges driving down the freeway ?
Where the motor mud come from?
Both cars are rlly perfect depends on your brand you like
I would go with the Patrol for stability and better interior
Well said
Not a fan of Toyota, but the looks of the Land Cruiser is more appealing than the Patrol that looks like a cheaper Nissan Terra. 😆
Does the LC300 hold an advantage in durability over the Y62?
Well the patrol has ten years of proven reliability and the LC300 has none so far
@@dolf3288 I think you can trust the proven reliability of Toyo and nearly 70 yrs of LC legacy.
@@danielrogers4072 that was pre DPF days mate.
@@danielrogers4072 ps Patrol has been right there along side LC over that journey
@@dolf3288 Comment had nothing to do with comparison to Petrol, and everything to do with the comment about the “no track record” for the LC durability. Actually…I live in the US and have “0”experience with the Petrol…and don’t even know anyone that drives a Nissan product.
Will the $30k difference in purchase price be made up when you sell it?
Quite possibly especially if an updated Patrol comes out. It’s still $30k extra on a car that could have been invested or on a mortgage offset
Which is better?
I don't know about resale in Australia . In Malaysia a used Cruiser even if 15 years old would still retain its value well n easily sold.
Same in Australia here.
Toyota keep resale value than Nissan.
But I like both of them
Land cruiser anyday ! ❤️
Always wondered why the patrol is not sold in North America. Is it because it hurts domestic manufacturers?
I love the naturally aspirated V8!
Yes Thank God I will buy one of each of them
The new lc 300 is beautiful and i would recommend it over nissan patrol if you have the money
Really is it better than a 80 series or I stick to the 80 and save plenty off $
I think people that spend 150k on a car don’t really give a shit about the cost of petrol
I don’t know know why the Australian’s doesn’t get the same interior features of GCC version y62 ,with all due respect to Toyota Landcruiser GCC version y62 way above 300 series in all aspects !!!
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“The long drive to Queensland”. From where?
Has anyone noticed how quiet it is inside the Patrol 🤫
Having turbos deep into the engine bay might make it difficult and expensive once those turbos need repairs on the land cruiser