SCA - Gulf Wars 2013 Chivalric Champions
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- čas přidán 25. 03. 2013
- Video compilation of the Gulf Wars Chivalric Champions fights at Gulf Wars 2013 (Annual kick butt SCA war/event in Lumberton Mississippi). I apologize for the ally fighters and rapier fighters, due to limited batteries and video card memory, Rabbit was not able to get those fights :(
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Blue Samurai vs Knight fight at middle was epic! Both of these guys are realy good
those guys are both knights.
MCShvabo Yes, they are so cool. Bushido and Chivalry have common points.
One meme I am suprised isn't used by SCA is the funny fight scene in the "Monty Python Holy Grail" movie where the Black Knight loses all of his limbs and wants to keep fighting. That is a good meme for fighters who don't know how to take a blow because they either over-armored or they want to be the "tough guy" 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
Thanks for taking the time to shoot, edit, and upload. Ypu are awesome
0:43 "Just a flesh wound"
Just stumbled across this, I am Trimarian Crown at this GW. Nice to see Sir Taka @4:11 RIP brother
Great video. Lots of good fights and enjoyed the humor!
your excellency, may i just say this is a very well done video and shows what i shall be up against sooner or later, i am a newcomer to the kingdom of Caid as an equestrian combatant and archer and shall also be training in heavy combat soon :)
A Very Nicely Done Video. Thank You For Sharing It Kajira!!
Love the ass montage at the end. Many chuckles were had.
R.i.p Takamatsu
Needs more viking shield wall and less pussification.
Those spearmen were pretty damn good
I was a little disappointed that Asiphs ass didn't get a credit at the end of the video. It was at the very least prominently featured. :)
This is fucking awesome !!!xD
Also, that was a hell of a fight between that Aoi no Samurai and that Yellow guardsman-looking guy. Bet they came out of that as friends.
Guy with the black star on the yellow shield uses his shield much better than a lot of these fighters I have seen.
Nice fighting there.
~I wonder which kingdoms were there.All of them?Which kingdom won?I hope someone will let me know soon.
something i've wondered about these fights: would it be against the rules to simply charge INTO your opponent with your shield? as i understand they frown upon taking too much of an advantage, for example shots that cannot be blocked or hitting people in the back of the head, clearly that sort of thing is unsportsmanlike, but a charge is rather avoidable, all you need do is step out of the way, and if you do dodge you are at a great advantage to trip your opponent and stab him good...
Sorry for the late reply, and I don't think I 100% know what you are asking about, but shield "bashing" isn't a legal move, and even if you are in a lax environment, only sword hits count anyway. So if you charge in with your shield, not only will refs call you out, but your opponent will likely wrap your leg or side anyway. Also, while tripping definitely isn't allowed, it's totally OK to hit someone in the back of the head, provided they are on guard and otherwise facing you.
Is the back of the head a prohibited target? because the hit at 2:00 seemed pretty decisive.
From what I could see, it bounced off the top of the helmet. That is exactly what the curvature is supposed to make a weapon do. That's why there are no real clean cuts that are aimed at that part of the head with a weapon like that.
that would be against the rules of the game. when you "leg" your opponent, you must stay within a 180 degree arc.
That would be why you don't see the fighters do that to their opponents.
Can they not telegraph their hits a little more?
Just asking because I want to see the fights from the other side of the room on a 8inch CRT.
They're doing it just for you, honey.
stop it! You are making me blush ;_;
What the actual hell is your profile picture?!?!
They are very good at it, but the rules just feel so strange to me. I always wonder to what extent they are meant to emulate historical medieval fights. Do practitionners not see how this isn't really representative of either armored fighting or unarmored fighting? Or do they just know and do not care? Anyway, fun sport, and good training for more HEMA oriented stuff anyway! ;)
The rules in place in the SCA are there primarily to protect fighters as much as possible from any sort of significant injury. They really aren't terribly representative of actual historical combat, which is unfortunate for an organization that strives for authenticity, but there is good reason.
It's incredibly expensive to insure combat sporting events. This, in turn, would dramatically increase membership dues. The SCA is doing everything they can as an organization in order to maintain a balance between authenticity and accessibility. It's a pretty balanced tradeoff when you look at the costs associated with the organization, and let's not forget that there is a *lot* more to the SCA than combat. From the perspective of a guy who deciphers medieval combat treatises for a living, it's wildly inaccurate combat rules, sure. But it's still a lot of fun anyway, and at the end of the day, it's a recreational organization, so isn't that really the entire point?
***** from a purely competitive standpoint that's a fair comparison, although there is far more to the SCA than combat.
I think the rules emulate medieval sparring and sport fighting fairly well. But you are right, in that it's not really representative of battlefield combat. And I am okay with that.
+GhostOfHarrenhal I think the primary difference is HEMA mainly strives for accuracy while SCA mainly strives for fun and "feel", though it's worth noting that the time period focus is different. SCA period focuses mainly on pre-Renaissance while the starting point for HEMA is fighting manuals that were enabled by the printing press.
+GhostOfHarrenhal I think the primary difference is HEMA mainly strives for accuracy while SCA mainly strives for fun and "feel", though it's worth noting that the time period focus is different. SCA period focuses mainly on pre-Renaissance while the starting point for HEMA is fighting manuals that were enabled by the printing press.
Is it not allowed to attack with anything else than the sword?
I have a question. Is there any chance that the original combat in the olden days might look something close to these?
+Anonymous surfer Yes and no. There would be far more aiming for unarmored bits if it was too heavily armored people with bladed objects in a duel. Preferably though, both parties would be carrying maces or poleaxes. I would refer to stuff like Battle of the Nations, but that still isn't spot on.
BJ Fowler I don't expect 100 percent accuracy because we know that people trying to kill each other would be much more deadlier but i just want to make a mental picture in my mind about how the olden day combat would have looked like.
I browsed through the "Battle of Nations", it looks like an unorganized bar fight, i mean no cool stances and precise moves, with good costumes and much more bashing, overall not even close to what Hollywood portrays.
I wonder if the real combat is much more similar to that but more intense and bloody. And the combatants will be in full adrenaline rush and aggressive with no intention of giving up easy but still will those look like unorganized bar fights?
***** Most of those fellows are likely in a brigandine -a plated jacket- and wearing a surcoat over it. Real medieval combat is hard to define. You mentioned mail; mail is remarkably hard to get through. A simple slash from a sword will almost never do it. So many historical techniques such as push cuts and draw cuts are rendered useless if he is in head to foot mail. Rendering your options to cutting where the mail is not...or stabbing through it.
That being said, you are correct in that these fights would probably go faster in an actual medieval fight. Reason being, neither party would be using a sword as their primary weapon -barring some exceptions. If it's two knights fighting each other they're both likely to be carrying poleaxes, if it's two foot soldiers their primary weapon will likely be halberds. That way the padded armor and mail of the average soldier is less of an issue.
Of course, butted mail has been found historically and it is generally much easier to "cut" through. You're less cutting it and more bursting the links. However, in this cases those two fighters look to be rather well off Men-at-Arms or perhaps even knights themselves. So butted mail would be unlikely on these people, riveted being what they would have probably worn.
Well broad swords were invented for the purpose not so much of cutting but for also placing a lot of blunt trauma to armored opponents. They can still cut but the real damage comes from the bluntness. I have a set of real mail and out of stupidity I let my friend take a broadsword to me. It feels just like a baseball bat although I did not get cut, it hurt. I would imagine a lot of fights would be a matter of beating your opponent down until they slowed down enough to get a killing blow.
These guys use some giant shields.
better than thailand =-=
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so when does a hit count as a hit?
+BrandonJ TheBJ when it connects with enough force. different groups have a different opinion on this level. Some groups hit a lot harder and require to be hit a lot harder. And some people will call a lighter shot if the technique was really nicely executed
Aaannd Asif’s ass lol. Hilarious
How old do u have to be to join? Lol I'm in
If your parents are present and give their consent, 16, otherwise 18 is the age restriction.
Are you in yet?
at around 5:58 why didn't the 2 thrusts count?
The one I see around that time was on side and high while receiving fighter was pulling back. It would've been too light, regardless, but rules at that war is that side of head doesn't count for thrusts. Has to be face for head shot.
at exatly 6:00 you can see the yellow fighters body move rather far because of the impact of the thrust, is that still too light?
Honor. If I were to be "legged" which it is called, I would go to my own knees simply to fight the opponent honorably. Hard to explain I guess.
GalderIncarnate not if it’s a crown tourney and you want to be king for a year lol
Im confused why is it none of them use there weapons to parry or block?
Aidan Wilson
Odd i suppose. i only asked because iv been sword fighting my whole life and they way they fight is very odd to me. as i dual wield and parry there fighting to me feels slow and kinda sluggish where im in and out alot. are you familier with sca rules then? im getting ready to join and what not could use someone to talk to about it all ^_^
Aidan Wilson
well then a question i have for you are you allowed to block/parry with wep and are you allowed to move in around them ?
So say you make your swing i parry/block the sword attack and move to your flank/back to counter that is allowed then?
My husband is a Knight of the SCA and I have been around the fighting for about 15 years...it is definitely taught to block with sword or shield or glaive or whatever you are fighting with. If it looks that someone isn't blocking, it may be that they see a shot that they feel that they can obtain before their opponent lands their shot. If you watch the fight, you can see there is a lot of movement and a lot of blocking...
Why would you duel wield? That isn't very effective X'D
It feels to me that most of the shields are too large and cumbersome.
I'd take a wall-shield to a buckler any day!
Well, I don't necessarily mean to shrink down to a buckler, but for me personally a kite shield would be more maneuverable.
Sean Hauger Join up and find out.
So... Why would a hit with a sword count through mail? Seriously, a sword hitting mail would do virtually nothing to the person wearing it... You have to either have enough blunt force to do damage, or thrust the point through the links, gambeson and clothing to do serious damage to the person on the other side.
It's not as though it's impossible to break through mail rungs with a hard enough blow, it's just not the best move and it's not good for the sword. And although, for consistency's sake, everyone is assumed to be wearing a mail hauberk and a Norman style cap, the actual fighting style is a recreation of Medieval tourney fighting where the goal was to land a good blow, rather than actually kill your (often fully armoured) opponent. Actually fighting armored opponents to the death requires a much different fighting style that, like you said, involves many much more thrusting and use of blunt force weapons, as well as typically much more grappling than most SCA fighters tend to like to do. Although grappling is legal here, as well.
Ambient Relaxation Ahh, thank you for the information on what they're trying to actually simulate :)
I know, two armoured opponents fighting to the death with swords is completely different from unarmoured people in a duel.
+dablop1 Np! All of this info isn't really readily obvious from just watching it. Has a lot to do with the organization's history and the various functions and purposes the fighting is used for.
I'd enter like Spartacus... Chest brace on with a gladiator helmet. I'd wield duel swords 👍🏻
You can do that, as long as you have something covering your kidneys, knees, elbows, wrists and appropriate head gear.
+Thomas Jones id be super sexy
Adam Freeman I don't doubt it ;)
I have a hard time believing in a real fight these guys wouldnt drop their shit and grapple for a chance to stab into their opponent's face.
3:45 white silver wins. delivers a lethal head blow b4 maroon strikes either hit
+Human Conciousness Locksmith The punching shot to the face was the kill shot from the Florentine fighter landed and the neck shot landed after. Regardless both shots were in motion which means they both count for purposes of determining a killing blow.
8:22 looks pretty kinky
pardon me while I poke and hack at your shield for awhile. How silly.
+kmal2t give it a shot, it's not as easy as it looks.
Only good fight (my opinion) 4:06 - 6:22
Agreed.
When the enemy is on their knees, why dont the people just run around them and strike them? These guys are just standing still when the enemy cant move... Not smart.
Rules are against that I believe.
In my heavily HEMA influenced opinion, this style of fighting is a fine way for both combatants to end up dead. There is far less emphasis on defensive posturing, i.e. trapping the opponent's blade and then proceeding with the offensive. The principle goal of any combat is not to hit your opponent but rather to survive yourself.
I think HEMA, among many other differences, is focused more heavily on fighting that would be used in a life or death, more realistic scenario. SCA's tournaments are probably more like what you would expect a tournament style might be like.
Regardless, HEMA's intent is to be historically accurate, it's literally in the name. Combat for the SCA is for little more than fun and exercise, and so the fighting style sacrifices historical and situational accuracy for what is most effective in its own environment.
needs more real swords.
Wat
+cmardeux Real swords means either A) real injuries or B) really really expensive armor. Rattan swords hurt enough thanks
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Lol None of them are actually fighting like you actually would with a sword...
I think it's stupid there are all these rules to keep people safe.
You ought to go out there on your own risk knowing you gonna get the piss beat ought of you,,,
You can't even trip, or use your foot to shove an opponent. I mean look at how awkward these fights are.
regale us with your expertise on sword swinging, you want lock and binds its out there, however your not going to use them sword and board. i'd suggest finding your local SCA group and saying hello, then possibly judging after having your head rung by a white belt a few times
"Whine look at me! Somebody please pay attention to me! I'm a little douchebag!"
Just swinging sticks of wood wildly, no technique whatsoever.
I realize what it looks like but there is tons more technique in it than you think, for one the way they hold their sword and their shields. The corner of the shield has to be tilted up as to not let any blows go directly to your head, the sword also does this by keeping it parallel to the top of the shield so any blow to your head will be deflected. also the basic combat strategy is all about raps and snaps. snaps are just a basic snap of the wrist and hit em but a rap you go for a snap then turn your wrist so your sword hits them in the back. even if it is deflected their shield is moved so if your a well trained fighter your use your hips to get enough power behind the sword to hit him before the shield is back in place. While all the while keeping your shield in front of your so it almost blocks your vision, that way your body is safe. These are just basic techniques, these guys on the video could kick my ass so before you go saying negative shit take a second to realize you know nothing about this.
Says the little punk who can't do it.
Surprisingly, there is actually a lot of technique involved. And believe it or not those sticks (Ratan - border line baseball bats) hurt like a son of a bitch even with plate mail.
+TheSlippyslope -wrong. Too many choreographed fight scenes for you, sir...
I love the idea but who makes the rules for this crap? really that kind of sparring is in no way historically accurate... Like dude gets tapped and then this falls in a dramatic way, kinda pathetic to watch.
That's bullshit....Can't shove your shield against an adversarie's weapon preventing him from defending or attacking. You're not allowed to restrict movement. :( Giggle and laugh all you want. Marshals Suck Ass. Flaming Gryphon FTW!
No, you can fight with anything. One of the fights close to the end is with glaives. It is just more common to fight sword and shield due to its advantage in defense against other weapons and it is the common 'tourney' weapon style
(unless you meant, can you punch with the shield or kick or head butt...then no. You can only fight with the weapon)