Is DF Too Harsh On Elden Ring's Technical Problems?
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It’s a technical channel. We don’t need another mainstream channel that ignores the technical problems.
If anything, they are not harsh enough.
You are not harsh enough
Was hoping I’d see this comment 👏
Fromsoft even went out of their way to block FPS unlocking tools on PC.
Made modding more difficult as well!
Thank God I play on console.
@@TRONiX404 the game was made for 60fps if you get more the game gets easier than intended. Only wish their optimisation wasn’t so horrible so the ps5 could hit consistent 4K/60
@hntr5495 thats a cop out fps is not a way to implement difficulty
From Soft is my fav dev you need to keep roasting them until they fix the issues.
Stop playing games u noob joker comes 1v1 in real games again real players not bots Il piss on ur head
They will never fix it. Like always
They don't care, the only way to let them know is with your wallet, the sound of the almighty dollar is the only thing they hear, or the absence of it
We can roast all we want, they don't read English. They seem unashamed of performance issues and can't fix them despite raking in the money
@@matjakobs8612 From is capable of releasing games like Armored Core 6 which runs at 120 fps, supports ultrawide etc. Their game engine actually handles those things even in games like Sekiro but they adamantly refuse to allow players to use those features without mods.
Stutters are not “fun and immersive” contrary to what that supporter claimed. I love fun gameplay and great story, but great performance is a major factor in my enjoyment of a game.
it's mind-boggling how someone can excuse poor optimization like it's trade-off for something.
@@arsenii_yavorskyi Systems programming takes man-hours and money. If a technical aspect of a system comes up short, it's because the development team chose to spend more man-hours and money elsewhere. It unquestionably is a trade-off between the feature-completeness of various systems and their performance stability.
@@arsenii_yavorskyi
I mean, you can trade a game that has low gameplay and high technical value for one that has high gameplay and low technical value, but criticizing people for wanting both at the same time is crazy to me. Their games are like a toxic relationship; you always have to put up with their BS to get to the good part. That goes for both technical and design, btw.
As a huge Souls/FromSoftware fan, I think it's finally time for them to create a much more mature and smooth experience. No one is expecting first-party Sony development from them, just don’t want to be interrupted by technical stuff.
Own these mistakes and deliver the solutions already. Don’t fall into the Bethesda pit.
@@smellvadordali9806technical stuff that you’re talking about isn’t as big of a deal in this instance. As it was mentioned in the video, some stuff is easily modded. No one is expecting high leaps, and FS is not a company known for their technical ability. They have other amazing strengths and they will play by that too. They are responsible for delivering a product with standard tech for the people that pay money for it. I mean 25m people.
I can't somewhat understand some people liking the affect of smooth gradual fps drop, but not stutters.
Alex is absolutely based.. dont tell me how expensive is to optimize your games while you hoard almost a billion dollar in sales for each game
This is kind of irrelevant. If they didn't make much money would people be happier with bad optimization? No. Get it done, or don't. Doesn't matter how to the consumer.
@@Luke973TFor sure, but tell that to the clowns defending From with nonsensical arguments.
@@Luke973T It does matter how much money they make as they have enough motivation from a business point of view to fix technical issue post launch
@Jadepeanut so shiity performance is fine as long as the devs don't make too much money...got it.
The ghey guy who got highly triggered by stellar blade?
it's incredible that people treat From Software like it's this vulnerable little indie dev that needs to be protected, even though it's a big company with decades of experience and funding from some of the largest publishers on the planet.
Fanboys as usual.
To be overly fair, they have come a loooong way from the original PC port of Dark Souls 1. That one was so bad you needed a mod just to configure basic graphics settings, like RESULUTION. Though I don't remember FromSoft ever caring much about the technicals. Especially on PC. But they get away with it because their games are fun to play, despite the jank. Also, they have gotten a little less bad with each new title. Armored Core 6 even has decent ultrawide support. Such luxury!
But seriously; Easy Anti Cheat is a such stick in the spokes for getting these games up to proper PC standards. For older titles there was usually some mod to alleviate whatever graphical gripe you had. Again, DS1 on PC got pretty good after that one settings mod got fleshed out. It just couldn't run properly beyond 30fps for deep rooted engine reasons. These days you're stuck with FromSofts low effort solutions if you want to experience the online aspects.
It's Bethesda all over again
@@andyasbestos dsfix or other mods is not an excuse from the issue. The community should not have to do fromsoftware's work that they get paid for. There shouldn't be community fix when it is done well the first time.
@@marzbee115 It's not an excuse. But imagine how utterly awful DS1 on PC would have been if you had to chose between online play and dsfix! That mod rescued the port, and it bums me out that this isn't nearly as viable for recent games with easy anti cheat. Oh sure, in a perfect world such mods wouldn't be necessary, but this is not a perfect world. And it's not like any of us are going to boycott the latest FS release just because the PC version is a bit sloppy. We don't care THAT much. And if it hardly impacts their sales, FS has little reason to care either.
I just want to play ER in ultrawide man! There's a Sekiro mod for UW and unlocked framerate that fixes every technical issue I have with that game on PC. I very much prefer having the option to mod things.
Tone down the harshness until the industry gets back on its feet...
The industry was never off its feet, what are you referring too? More successful then ever before. More money then ever before.
More harshness is needed. The norm for these companies is to release early, broken and buggy just to make a few more dollars so that they can fix it later using YOUR money you paid for their half assed attempt at releasing their game.
Drop the hammer down harder guys. Releasing these games in the states they are is a choice, not a necessity
The guy was absolutely gaslit by corporations lol
Money saved on cut corners won't ever go to the devs
He was probably referring to layoffs and studio closures. Which has nothing to do with us consumers of course. That's all on the leadership at studios and the decisions they make.
So yea probably a kind hearted thought but seems like they missed the idea of what's going on.
@@noodles9345 if that's the case, that is these companies faults anyway. These layoffs are the result of over hiring during the pandemic when everyone was forced to stay in their homes with nothing but videogames and tv to hold them over. It was an inflation of business everyone should have known wasn't going to last.
These greedy ass companies tried to take advantage of the situation, which is smart, but the ones with mass layoffs right now are the ones who couldn't actually see what was the cause of the growth....which is insane.
I honestly can't imagine how any of the heads of these companies looked at the situation and thought that it was a good idea to hire thousands and thousands more employees to support the "artificial" (for lack of a better word) growth.
It was downright silly to think the pandemic induced growth these companies had would last. And handling it the way they did is even worse.
This is on them and nobody else, and it's not effecting everyone is it? No, just the ones who couldn't see the forest through the trees so to say
@@noodles9345 It's also abundantly clear a games success or failure means absolutely nothing as to whether you get laid off or your studio closed. Like come on, we just watched a studio who made a break out hit last year get canned because they just happened to be the studio furthest away from releasing their next game and it made sense on a spreadsheet.
💯
That line of thinking is why they can get away with it.
The drops/slowdowns while I was playing on the PS5 via the native PS5 version was bad enough to prevent me from playing any further after a few hours of persistence. Furthermore the fact that these problems still occur on a top end pc (7800x3d, 4090) is simply inexcusable and deserves the harshness and criticism of its technical issues.
“We got u bruh” PS4 on PS5
@@easyDoes1T85 while true, the ps4 app of Elden Ring does run better on the ps5 I think your missing the point of the game having fundamental/basic issues on the most powerful of hardware which is what the Criticism is about. I also bought the disc version so the ps4 solution is not an option for myself.
they fixed the game soon after launch but you should cut them some slack since elden ring was their first truly open world game and its massive
@@terrycruise-zd5tw They're a AAA-studio charging the industry standard price for the base game, and a premium for the DLC. Then you have the fact it sold incredibly well. Expecting the game to run well on consoles and suitable PCs should be the bare minimum we expect. If for whatever reason this experienced studio don't have the expertise to create a technically competent game, they have more than enough money to hire people to help there. We should be holding these sorts of studios to a higher standard.
@@terrycruise-zd5tw the thing is this is not fromsoftwares first offender for bad performance/techincal issues they’ve been notorious for it since the HD era, I love the souls series as much as the next person, but you cant deny that this game has highly unoptimised performance as DF has stated before, and including this direct, that this dosent take a genius programmer to come in and fix these issues, they bring in more than enough money to fix them so I doubt a studio this big and financially successful needs to be cut slack in terms of something so basic.
The question from that one user was embarrassing and it's surprising that it comes from someone who enjoys DF enough to be a Patreon supporter. Getting defensive over a game that's sold >25 million copies and trying to dress it up as genuine concern for the industry is so unbelievably corny, man.
my thoughts exactly. From Software doesn't need anyone defending them.
Exactly.
@arsenii_yavorskyi exactly it's so weird
It really does come off as the exact kind of ridiculous, silly defense force behavior we've come to know with FromSoft fans at this point. Even trying to be nice, it looks patently ridiculous when talking about FromSoft in their current state. It'd be unacceptable at any point, but I could MAYBE have seen this when it was FromSoft 25 years ago or maybe earlier. But today? Now? WIth THIS game? Nah, just absolutely ridiculous take on the commenter's part.
A teenager wrote that. 100%.
AS YOU SHOULD.
No. You gave the exact kind of investigation and critique the community needs.
I have zero clue why nobody's talking about the HORRENDOUS pop-ins on consoles!!
I kind of can't fathom how a studio like Fromsoft can care so much about the art and so little about their tech. It's like they're musicians writing these beautiful, striking symphonies and then recording them on a webcam mic. Do they not see how absolutely incredible a game like Elden Ring would be to experience if it had the software quality and rendering prowess of a game like Doom Eternal?
That's a pretty good analogy, btw. Just saying.
at this point i just think they need to kick some devs, it's going on for too long now and i seriously doubt their coding skills.
Bc the tech gets fixed by more powerful devices in the future.
They're the musician who doesn't care much for quality of sound, they're spending all their energy on making the music good first
@@glowerworm Stuttering can't be fixed by devices of the future unless we're looking at a 5-10x improvement in cpu performance
@@Die-Coughman my dude I've been playing games for my entire life so I can tell you 5-10 years from now people won't be mentioning performance
No. Wouldn’t even say you were hard enough. Fromsoftware hasn’t added fsr support or DLSS on pc. Even Lance McDonald’s discovered a simple switch of a button that increased performance by 20% and essentially fixed most of the base game performance issues. I have no clue what runs through the heads of this billion dollar corporation.
What did he do to get that performance boost?
There is a Puredark mod that adds DLSS and FG support. Consider yourself lucky if you see this comment tho, because they actively mod them.
I have literally never seen a stutter, ever, in the expansion using DLSS and FSR3 on 3070 5800x3d 32gb. Always 90+ fps. These videos are funny and a waste of time.
@@timmyp6297 Good for you. You have a unicorn PC. Perhaps consider that some people want to play the game with DLSS or FSR while remaining online. As using mods necessitates disabling the anti-cheat and, therefore, official online functionality. But ignorance is bliss, eh?
they're bad at technical work and should be rightfully called out for it.
@@timmyp6297 show frametimes
Give them hell, DF. We should not tolerate inferior products, a trend too common in various industries.
this just reminds me of Bethesda - people ignored how broken their games were, so eventually they grew complacent and lost their edge as devs.
Just baught a brand new vehicle the engine stutters and stalls and doesn't go above 60mph.
Don't worry they patch it later.
inferior products? fromsoft make consistent games of the year
@@terrycruise-zd5tw And they still can't manage to implement a V-sync with proper frame pacing
@@TRONiX404 I'm pretty sure that you can buy today a car that has features locked behind a paywall. So, that may be the case with newer cars that are controlled by computers.
I'm 100% with you on this topic. I'm glad you go into the specifics and call out problems. Please never stop doing it. Thanks!
This Wicca guy probably thinks OG Blighttown on PS3 was _"fun and immersive"_
"It's just so... quirky, you know? Like has it's own vibe or whatever." (imagine a really obnoxious voice, idk, lol)
FromSoftware fanboys are the worst.
I bet that dude is a regular on resetera.
11fps-cinematic🤣
If a game doesn't run well, it doesn't run well - you can still have fun with it, but making excuses for a company not doing a proper job doesn't change the issue.
The FromSoft Stans are in full defense mode....can you imagine asking a technical review website to not review a game you like critically for known performance issues that would normally be a major criticism of every other game. It's crazy these are the same people saying how they hate that modern games release broken and aren't worth thier price, yet when it's a game that they enjoy then it's not a problem or it's not gamebreaking or it's not that bad or it only drops to below 30fps sometimes or it just stutters every now and again or if you have a VRR display..... Bruh the level of copium in this community because someone critiques your favorite game is absolutely insane. YA'LL DUDES GOTTA DO BETTER!!!!
Spot on. It’s confirmation bias ☝🏻
I don't mind them doing this review. Unless this is specific to the dlc, which I haven't played yet, I went through the base game twice a while ago and don't have any memory of caring at all about stutter or frame rate issues. It is clear you care way more about this than the vast majority of people. When it gets bad enough for everyone else to care is when it will matter to from soft. It sucks you have what appears to be a niche pet peeve.
@@johnmclawson3982
This is the default FromSoft stan position. It somehow ran great on just your system....everyone else..... literally the entire internet acknowledges that the game had performance problems at launch and still does have performance problems now, but somehow the game knew that you were a dedicated FromSoft stan and it magically played perfectly on just your system. Because while it must be difficult to observe the normal goings on of the rest of the world from on your knees in front of Miyazaki....the overwhelming majority of people are indeed reporting that the game has always had performance issues. You FromSoft stans hate to admit it, or to even acknowledge it, which is why FromSoft have consistently given ya'll subpar performance in games since the PS2 era, but the rest of us we notice and we speak out about it....they do nothing because they have a rabbid fanbase that tells them they need to do nothing....that tells them the game is perfect, meanwhile they are playing a modded version on PC that does the optimization the developer won't or they are playing the older generation version of the game on a newer console just to avoid the framerate issues.
@@johnmclawson3982 The game has had performance issues since launch on PC and it took ages before it got better and they all came back in the DLC. ER has had 2 years to fix this not niche issues. I had friends buy a ps5 just to have better framerates and they have 30 series cards. I have an RTX Titan, 3080, 4070, and I upgrade my CPU yearly.
I'm still pissed that the deadzone on the right stick is off center. Really annoying to play when the camera moves faster going right than left, and I rarely hear people complain about the issue.
if you're on PC, you can try playing with keyboard & mouse.
@@arsenii_yavorskyi ps5 sadly. I already had to buy the game a second time so I could get the extra frames on the ps4 version.
Might be an issue specific to one platform because I def never noticed this on Series s
@@glowerworm it's there, trust me. It's on every platform. Now xbox could definitely have better controllers that make it less noticeable. The issue is the deazone for camera acceleration is incredibly tiny and off center. So on a lot of controllers the stick can't physically move far enough to activate the camera acceleration on the left but can easily reach it going right. It's an issue every version has, it's just exasperated by the cheap sticks in the ps5 controller.
That's kind of surprising to see a comment like that, because I consider DF to be the most tip-toeing, careful, drama-free, cautious gaming channel on the CZcams (arguably too much), and I'm not exaggerating. IMHO, that's why that (mildly) critical statement from Alex in his ER DLC video came out as harsh - we're not just used to that. 🤷♂
They would be more harsh if they could, but they have to walk on eggshells because fanboys are insane.
Right!? DF could easily be one of those cheap channels going "ERDTREE IS ACTUALLY LITERAL TRASH??" (trash performance*) for clicks. Im so glad DF is not one of those outrage channels.
@@dominicdococo4574 that may be the case.. but that's just not always the right way to do it, imho.. sometimes you have to be direct, ruthlessly honest (but fair).. but what do I know, I'm not running a successful youtube channel 😅.. they sure are choosing their words very carefully, though.. sometimes to the point of ridiculousness.
About the performance issues. I was fighting the last boss and frames were dropping like hell because there's a lot of things going on on the screen. As if the fight wasn't hard enough.
The state of the industry should never factor in the review process. Even in a scenario where you know for sure a review will cause the closure of a studio, you should still push it out. Because it is not your job to worry about the producers, but to keep consumers informed. Just make damn sure you are accurate in your assessments.
PC gamers get so used being treated like red haired step child its no surprise stockholm syndrome has set in
I love Erdtree, DD2 but defending it make me sad
99% of games with "bad PC ports" are just as bad if not worse on console. On PC you can usually at least bruteforce it, unless the game is fundamentally broken (like some Fromsoft releases).
@@8Paul7 I wouldn't agree much on that. 90% of bad PC port games actually run outstanding and great on console(s). Whether they be at 30 fps or 60 fps lock.
And team just doesn't want to invest time into development of proper PC version to use the advantages that PC systems have, unlike consoles where they spend investment and time into development of proper console versions where they USE advantages that console systems have.
Games on PC should be running great on wide range of hardware combos but 90% of PC games run crap even on the top end builds like 7800x3D and RTX 4090 lol.
@@sermerlin1 pretty much all you wrote is nonsense.
2 years later still no better upscaling, 9 years later bloodborne is still locked in 30fps. Classic fromsoft
That’s a Sony problem not fromsoft
Sony has the rights to bloodborne
I've beaten bloodborne several times and never cared about the frame rate. If most people are like me, why would they waste time and effort on a small minority?
@@johnmclawson3982 this must be a joke
Alex was very fair. It’s surprising to experience performance issues when 99% of the reviews never state that there are any.
I’ve always had issues with ER’s performance, shadow of the erd tree just ramped it up lol.
I appreciated that finally someone wasn’t afraid to point it out 🙏
Absolutely not 1000percent justified
The final boss has a 23 fps nuke lol I have a video
Game performance and critique about bad performance is exactly the main reason I watch DF. This is why I hope DF keeps revisiting games when patched so I know if I can finally enjoy playing the game that I find interesting (Dragons Dogma 2). I still have PTSD from Just Cause 3.
And they have 70k subscribers. They have value to you and others that are bothered by this issue, but I have played every from soft game and can't remember ever caring about low framerates or whatnot. Clearly the vast majority care about it as much as I do, rather than how much you do. This is what happens when you care about something way more than most people. It sucks, but it is what it is.
I think sekiro sucked in terms of gameplay. It is the answer to the question, what if we took souls games and removed all the weapon variety and spell variety and armor variety and replaced it with 1 weapon, 1 armor, and a few gimmick off hand weapons? But clearly people liked it, so sucks to be me. I hope they never do that again, but if I am in a tiny minority, then I can whine all I want and will still not get what I want.
I encountered this same pushback when I bitched about BG3. The game still runs like ass in Baldurs Gate, and our last mp campaign before dropping it encountered a game breaking save ruining bug where all travel to lower city caused those not hosting to tpose and the world not load in. It is a known issue on their forums and they still have yet to fix it. If this final farewell patch for modding doesn't fix it we are cooked and that has forever marred my opinion of the game. This on pc btw.
Yeah BG3 bugs really get out of control the later you are in the game. Really soured my experience with it.
No you are just telling the truth. That’s why i subscribe and look forward to those game analysis. From software still made the best game of the last 5 years though lol.
Yep. The game is great but the stutters are bad but the game is great but ...
Please don't tone down your criticisms, your work in bringing these problems to light is invaluable. You are in a very special position, as not only do you have the technical ability to make these criticisms, but you are also one of the few groups capable of putting pressure on the industry. We developers and gamers alike appreciate and respect your opinions on these issues.
i'm so tired of how games industry people expect to be coddled by the consumer and others in the industry because of how shitty it is to work in. like, welcome to the club, man.
Elden Ring is an incredible game with lots of performance problems. I've had micro stutter, long lurches, crashes, big frame drops (last boss) and more. And that's while not supporting DLSS, FSR, XeS, Ultrawide, unlimited frame rate etc. They don't get shit on enough for their lack of care when it comes to performance because the games are so good.
I had to reinstall my whole freaking windows because I had a bug and I wasn't able to find the source where FPS like I had 20fps on my 3090/5800X @ 4k and 14fps on my 3080/5700X @ 1440p.... reinstalling windows on the second computer solved the issue. That dreaded feeling you have when you enconter the same bug as someone from 2 yrs ago on reddit, and there's no fix to it... And people are still asking the same question even today. I did try everything suggested online, enable unlimited cache, putting the game in high perf mode, setting the CPU prority to above average, .... No other game had this issue, DG2, BG3, all ran fine except ER SotE. And even then I had terrible frame pacing in Belurat where being at 80 fps, I looked choppy AF, I had to restart the game to solve it. Beside that, one of the best game I played this year.
I am on PS5 and using the PS4 version of the game. Getting constant 60 fps throughout with no stuttering or fps drops and it looks good beside a bit of poor LOD.
Not really, someone has to do it
Tldr: nah
The lazy loading of assets before boss fights is where it gets me. Do not let me go through a fog gate before my equipment/abilities are fully loaded. Also maybe not before the FRIGGIN BOSS is loaded because that gives ME an unfair advantage.
Case in point: I beat the Putrescent Knight in the DLC easily just because he loaded back beyond *his own fog gate* and I was able to use status efffects on him without even getting in his range.
Here is one recommendation. Prior to discussing technical problems with any game, issue a survey on how players perceived the performance of said game for each platform. Then present the technical issues to avoid biasing the survey. We will then have somewhat of an idea of how much specific technical issues impacted gameplay from both the experts perspective and players perspective as a group.
Fromsoft makes good games but has always been PROFOUNDLY INCOMPENTENT ON THE TECHNICAL SIDE to the point I sincerely wonder if Fromsoft understands what framepacing is
Pointing out technical highlights or problems is what DF is about!
I'm guessing the souls fan base were harassing them over being critical of their poorly designed/optimized precious perfect game. The souls fan base is honestly the absolute worst with their tantrums.
Having review teams like DF help tremendously to push the industry forward on console and PC. We need tech deep dives to keep devs/publishers accountable.
The wild thing is that Armored Core VI does have really good ultrawide support and doesn't seem to have as many stuttering issues...
2:53 That guy is truly amazing. He has been in the games industry for years. Yet doesn't understand that a game needs to run well. Do you only make games and never play them? Ever thought about why someone would spend $2000 for a gaming PC? You might need a hint because you have only been a few years in the gaming industry. A game is more fun when it runs well. I can also tell you how much it costs: it should be in the budget of your game. You shouldn't even release the game in a state where your game stutters.
Nah. No ultrawide in a game selling 25M copies after 2+ years is just a meme.
The only reason I am not buying the expansion on PC is due to the lack of ultrawide support, STILL.
Elden Ring was reported to be making about $50+ a day, for the first couple weeks and has for sure at least approached $1 billion, total.
I think the fact that titles get day one or two updates makes it difficult to test for performance on preview version... or they are not allowed to.
Thank you DF for this review and post-review discussion. Elden Ring (and SOTE) is fantastic game, no doubt about it! But 2+ year after original PC release, game still does have basic technical issues which are being easily resolved by modders - certain stutterings, dlaa/dlss/fsr/xss support, unreasonable framerate limiting (hardcoded FPS/timeframe!), lack of chromatic aberration/sharpening filter disablement, ultrawide support, game pausing :) , AA option in game menu still not working correctly (saving in config), lack of any quest log, minimal user interface improvements, etc, etc ...
Its pity you have to use mods for some of those elementary options in 2024. which are automatically disqualifying you from online game play. I don't even want to mention how user unfriendly user interface is. It took me quite a time to figure out how to bind torrent whistle, sorceries/incantations, how to use certain items and pouches with keybindings - thanks to modders! All this just shows that FS don't care so much about it's user base and feedback - why would they after selling 25 million copies? :)
But still, game is fantastic and I would recommend it to everyone. I was never fun of medieval worlds (I am more Fallout world type of guy :) ) but the amount of gameplay content, world exploring and it's size, action and lore immersion ... it will just suck you in - if you manage to figure out unfriendly user interface and squirt one eye on PC technical issues which FS doesn't acknowledge :)
For that reason, maybe it's a good idea to have modern game reviews in two parts - where game/gameplay and technicalities are being reviewed kinda separately. DF is obviously based more on technical aspects of games (thats why I follow it as IT systems specialist :) ) and your review of SOTE was not harsh for a second - just objective after 2+ year of original game release. 10/10 for a game, 6/10 for technicalities and FS support - in average 8/10.
I know of a couple of mods that add in dlss, fsr, and xess. Id love if digital foundry would investigate them
The entire industry is not harsh enough
Travelling to Moorn Ruins grace in the dlc with rain and nighttime conditions is a nightmare. I even rebuilt the database on ps5 according to patch advice but nope, still the same 10-20 frame dip when travelling between graces or in taxing game environment conditions. PS4 Pro backwards is the only way to play with a stable framerate on console across both base + dlc, with extremely rare hitches towards late-game (in dlc) but it is the most stable among console versions.
I personally haven’t noticed any significant performance issues with my own playtime
But I do have a higher end PC which may be papering over the issues with brute force
Im just gonna say i dont notice dropped frames. I can see the diff between 60 and 30, but most of the time im oblivious to these issues unless there is a drastic change during game play.
you will definitely notice this during the dlc's final boss fight, and will probably die a few times because of it
@@goofygoober875 😂😂 I'll be dying but it will prob be my bad skills.
No you weren't too harsh. Alex, you do what you do for us, the customers. I trust what you guys say for this exact reason that you aren't gonna sugarcoat it - and you shouldn't have to. I also think that implementation for a technical aspect of Steam reviews is a wonderful idea. Someone @ Valve and get them to hopefully implement something like this! Would help a lot more than straight review bombing something to oblivion.
Anyone who is ready to willingly ignore substantial technical issues (ones that interrupt gameplay or cause issues with gameplay and/or saves) is a fanboy that just wants their favorite developer to not be held to standards, standards that were once common and even held to high thresholds by Nintendo and other companies. The whole idea of "gone gold" used to mean the game was READY for sale, often finished MONTHS ahead of release, allowing for further polish. One of my favorite franchises ever is DOOM, and ID is one of my favorite developers. If DOOM TDA stutters or has technical issues on ANY platform it releases on, it would be unacceptable and also odd for that team. I would 110% call them out, and wait for the issues to be fixed AND for the game to go on sale before buying, and I LOVE those guys. Now, if a game is CLEARLY ahead of its time, such as Crysis was, that's different. It's different because it COULDNT run on anything but the top-of-the-line hardware, and it was obvious to anyone with eyeballs and an understanding of physics simulations. Elden Ring is NOWHERE NEAR that, not in the slightest. In fact, it looks like a PS4 game at best, with some nice skyboxes and draw distance. It is obviously unoptimized.
Doom 93 and Doom 2 ran like garbage by today's standards on era appropriate hardware. Yet it is highly praised and your favorite game. So are you a fan boy?
@@gothpunkboy89 WHAT!
As far as I remember both Doom ran decently fast enough to be enjoyed. For Doom 2 I know full well that I played it on 486DX 33Mh and later on with 486 DX2 66Mhz CPU. It ran flawlessly!
The only part where the game could slow down to a halt or even hang the entire PC was the final level, because monsters were constantly spawning! If you played without cheats it was impossible for that to happen because players either killed "The Boss" within 3 rocket hits or he (the player) just died because of monsters spawning endlessly!
The only way to see the slowdowns, low fps or even to see the game hang was playing with cheats! On slower 386 cpus it could be quite a problem because a player is given only those 3 choices and then you are toast because of performance! I know that because I trained those rocket shots in god mode. I still remember that 486 DX2 66Mh was able to handle mob re-spawning for like 4 minutes before it hanged!¨ In the last minute the game did become quite choppy and pretty much unplayable!
Hate to be one of those "it runs fine for me" people. But I really don't think it's that bad. I use RTSS to lock to 60, and sure there's some small stutters here and there but nothing intrusive at all. Jedi survivor however... now that's a stutter struggle.
I've done a lot of coverage of FromSoft's games on my channel, and I often turn a blind eye to technical performance issues because I lack the technical knowledge to address what is going wrong and how it's going wrong. To add onto that, while my rig is pretty decent and probably better than most users', it's not particularly impressive, and I wouldn't be able to tell you if the issues I have are due to hardware vs. software, so I appreciate DF playing hardball on the things I can't address from both a knowledge and hardware perspective.
Just because times are tough doesn't mean that a job shouldn't be done well, so I say continue holding their feet to the fire in the hope it'll inspire positive changes in the future
I hate seeing workers taking company side when people do some critique.
Rollslop defense force is on the case here.
Any game that does not run in perfect 60fps on modern machines should not be aloud to go on sale.
Alex was spot on in his review. FromSoftware games are based around reaction times. Having a big lag or even a stutter in the middle of a battle is critical. Its not just about the time they've had to optimise Elden Ring and the DLC, they have had years across all their games and its no better now than it was 10-15 years ago
I'm a FromSoftware fanatic, and no you weren't too harsh. FS is long overdue for a serious technical upgrade to their engine and tools.
I agree that they are due for an upgrade but on the grand scheme of things if they don't upgrade their engine and improve future performance for future games, will it stop people from buying their games? Probably not. Because a large number of the soulsborne community love their games not because of performance but because of lore and gameplay.
@@rafaelramoscardona3108 that's... literally more the reason why they need to be criticized increasingly more harshly for their technical faults...
Even a beautiful painting starts to blur after looking long enough and what are you left with? Gameplay. That needs to be good because you engage with it every second of play. I can't believe we are in an era that people are actually advocating for lower standards.
People need to be reminded that a game is a product. And an expensive product.
Therefore, we must always demand quality.
If you buy a computer, and a single key doesn't work properly, you will require repair or replacement. If you buy a book and a single page appears bent, you will demand an exchange.
If you buy TOILET PAPER and it is missing 50cm, you will demand an exchange.
Why the hell with games do people accept different types of problems as if it were something natural and impossible to solve?
Skill issue, never stopped me from getting good.
i think there are some areas that run pretty well in the dlc and others that dip down for me pretty low. even some rare moments where i get constant stutters for a couple seconds. reminds me of the initial elden ring launch. wouldnt be surprised if a big part of these performance issues are LOD based. that would explain why the base game runs so well now but this new map doesnt.
I’m hearing a rumor that Fromsoftware’s engine has an issue with Intel’s E-Cores.
I love from soft but that apologist made me threw up in my mouth a little. I'm playing elden ring offline because I have to run a mod that allows me to use Dlss. The fact they even patched in ray tracing yet didn't do this at the same time is mind boggling to me...
Honestly at this point, knowing FromSoft, I honestly think the mod without proper motion vectors would look better than FromSoft's implementation of DLSS into the core code base. Should be relatively simple to implement, but idk, man. FromSoft has some absolutely bizarre issues at times.
The players dont need to care how much it takes to retain programmers that know how to optimize, it is not our concern, the game is a full price game. Also i think this issue runs deeper than just fromsoft open world games, all of their games run poorly since ps360.
A problem for day zero reviews, is that reviewers often are not playing on release-day-patch-update game code.
Further, many games get additional patches in the first ~week.
I think that alone, can make it very difficult for any reviewer to say anything solid, about performance.
There is a lot more to say on that topic. But, youtube comments aren't a great place for it.
It's always a breath of fresh air when Tom does the analysis and commentary. I'll leave it at that.
Not at all, from software games on pc lack basic features that every release should have in 2024.
Dude imagine we get a game with Fromsoft's game mechanics/art direction and Bluepoint's engine/tech
as much as I hate ppl whining fps drop from to 59fps for one sec, that's your job anyways
that wicca question was just absurdly stupid holy shit
I wish people were as easy on Cyberpunk when it launched, it was an awesome game even then
To be honest, at this point no criticism is harsh enough for this game. It's a complete technical mess that its own developer can't figure out how to fix.
FromSoftware have made most of my favorite games in the past decade, but they deserve to be criticized for the engine problems. It’s a very old engine that they’ve been using ever since the original Demon’s Souls on PS3 and they’ve made very little improvements to it.
They’ve learned nothing about frame pacing either, they simply do not care about the player experience on the performance side, and they somehow don’t realize that making the bosses harder while the performance gets worse actually creates an extremely unpleasant gaming experience since the real battle is actually against the game’s atrocious performance.
By now, FromSoftware’s games should look as good as Demon’s Souls Remake does on PS5, which for me is simply the prettiest RPG I’ve ever played in my life with flawless 60fps, instant loading of hugely detailed environments with immaculate level design, super high res textures, photorealistic character modeling, tons of cool lighting effects, etc.
Even Lies of P deserves some credit for how smooth it runs on all platforms. Elden Ring being open world isn’t a good excuse because the original Demon’s Souls, Dark Souls 1, Dark Souls 2, Bloodborne, Dark Souls 3, and Sekiro all had bad performance and none of them were open world. I’ve also played lots of open world games that had way better graphics than Elden Ring and they run at 60fps on PS5.
FromSoftware is just out of touch when it comes to game performance overall, they’re clueless on the matter and keep making the same mistake even after all the money they’ve made. It’s unacceptable now.
Short answer: No
Long answer: Could have been harsher in many aspects for technical, be it for PC optimization and settings missing completely to some optimization issues that could be further mitigated on modern console systems.
I am genuinely shocked this was a supporter question.
Went to put a comment about "making more money than ever and selling a poorly optimised product when they have the financial resources to update/amend the engine for what we have paid for and future releases" to see everyone else is on the same page.
I can't believe the attitude so many take for things they buy like they are shareholders or something. Corporations are not people or our friends. Vote with wallet.
It still baffles me Elden Ring added raytracing but not DLSS...
I have many issues that get added after updates.Crashing and speed.
No. Keep it up!
Awful performance on ps5, and still stutters using backwards compat?? How do you even manage that
Nah not too harsh fromsoft fandom is just the most toxic one in gaming
I think you guys were very light to them. It's time for FS fix their games after sold millions of copies.
Shadow of the Erdtree is hands down a masterpiece even if we consider it standalone, but From really needs a new modern engine that does not look and perform like a mid 2010s game.
Fromsoft should “get good” on a technical level. Just pay John Carmack his contracting fee and get it over with already and you’ll have me buying your dlc sooner than later.
I believe you all do a great job of breaking down the finer details of video games, and that is why I watch you. Do I think the technical elements make or break a game? Well, this is why reviews are incredibly subjective and it’s important to do your research beyond a couple of opinions.
When it’s all said and done, I greatly appreciate you all being insightful and honest when breaking down the complexity of video games, harsh or not.
With all the fromsoft issues I hope one day bluepoint and from can work together. From can do all the art and design and bluepoint works on the performance. Cause my god. The demon's soul remake is the smoothest / best looking game I've played.
This game is overloading core 0 on modern CPUs. I have a video on my channel showing how to fix this, going from sub 40s to a locked 60 in 4K.
I'm playing Elden Ring on a AMD 5500U laptop with 8 GM RAM 2 GB VRAM and being able to get immersed into its world and gameplay.
Till this day my game still micro stutters at random times on my high end pc. Elden ring has technical issues that have gone unaddressed for far too long.
DF isn't that harsh. I appreciate their honest technical reviews. It helps me decide whether to buy a game or not. I'm not buying broken games.
I always wish Fromsoftware would improve on all their horrible lighting issues and implement advanced lighting solutions.. but it is too good a master class of game and level design to take out any point off it for me.. maybe that is why all these problems lingers til now
As many others have said, constant stutters get in the way of fun and break immersion.
As a diehard FromSoft fan, I agree with everything said here. Technical issues and stuttering are frustrating but at the end of the day, most gamers just want to have fun playing games and that's the main reason FromSoft usually gets a pass on some of this. I'm very curious to see how the ps5 version will run when the PS5 pro comes out. Also needs to be said that BluePoint made the Demons Souls remake and it runs perfectly but its obviously much smaller in scope than Elden Ring.