A Pentecostal Discovers Liturgical Worship - Fr. Michael Rennier
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- Fr. Michael Rennier grew up in a Pentecostal environment, and the worship services he went to focused on contemporary praise music, with a sermon as the centerpiece.
When he discovered liturgical worship, with Holy Communion at the center, he was both intrigued and uneasy; he wanted to know more, but wasn't sure at first how to enter into it fully.
His Pentecostal formation led him to wonder if it were possible to experience the movement of the Holy Spirit in a structured liturgical setting; but as he began to explore it more deeply, he found an unexpected spiritual richness and freedom in the Mass that continued to draw him closer to Christ.
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Catholics claim Sunday is a holy day made by God.
I will ask these questions again which NO ONE can answer.
And I know you will NOT!!!
---Where in the Holy Bible does God say He rested on the first day of the week to make that day special??
----Where in the Holy Bible does God say He BLESSEDthe first day of the week to make that day special??
----Where in the Holy Bible does God say He SANCTIFIED the first day of the week to make that day special??
---Where in the Holy Bible does God say He Gave a name to the first day of the week to make that day special??
---Where in the Holy Bible does God say He DECLARES the first day of the week as HIS HOLY DAY to make that day special??
FACTS"
--The ONLY day GOD RESTED ON--Seventh day!! Gen 2:1-3, EX 20:8-11
--The ONLY day GOD BLESSED--Seventh dayt---Gen 2:1-3, EX 20:8-11
--The ONLY day GOD SANCTIFIED--Seventh day--Gen 2:1-3, EX 20:8-11
--The ONLY day GOD NAMED--Seventh day--SAbbath--Isaiah 58:13
--The ONLY day GOD DECLARES as HIS HOLY DAY--Seventh day--Isaiah 58:13
PROVE THEM WRONG!!
Praised be our Lord Jesus Christ! God's children are coming home!😂😅 Slowly, but surely. Welcome home, Bro.
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Biblical Proof the seventh day (Saturday) IS the Sabbath
Matt 27:62 The next day, the one after Preparation Day.......
Mat 28:1 In the end of the sabbath, as it began to dawn toward the first day of the week, c
Mark 15:42 - It was Preparation Day (that is, the day before the Sabbath).
Mark 16:1-2 - When the Sabbath was over,
Mark 16:9 When Jesus rose early on the first day of the week
Luke 23:54 It was Preparation Day, and the Sabbath was about to begin
Luke 23:56 Then they went home and prepared spices and perfumes. But they rested on the Sabbath in obedience to the commandment.
Luke 24:1 On the first day of the week, very early in the morning, ....
John 19:31 Now since it was preparation day, in order that the bodies might not remain on the cross on the sabbath, for the sabbath day of that week was a solemn one,
John 19:42 because of the Jewish day of Preparation, since the tomb was close at hand, they laid Jesus there. 42 And so, because it was the day of preparation for the Jewish Passover
John 20:1 The first day of the week cometh Mary Magdalene early, when it was yet dark, unto the sepulchre,
btw---Matt --14:19----- Jesus "broke bread"--Communion?? No. they ate bread and fish.
>>>>>Catholics claim Sunday is a holy day made by God.
I will ask these questions again which NO ONE can answer.
And I know you will NOT!!!
---Where in the Holy Bible does God say He rested on the first day of the week to make that day special??
----Where in the Holy Bible does God say He BLESSEDthe first day of the week to make that day special??
----Where in the Holy Bible does God say He SANCTIFIED the first day of the week to make that day special??
---Where in the Holy Bible does God say He Gave a name to the first day of the week to make that day special??
---Where in the Holy Bible does God say He DECLARES the first day of the week as HIS HOLY DAY to make that day special??
FACTS"
--The ONLY day GOD RESTED ON--Seventh day!! Gen 2:1-3, EX 20:8-11
--The ONLY day GOD BLESSED--Seventh dayt---Gen 2:1-3, EX 20:8-11
--The ONLY day GOD SANCTIFIED--Seventh day--Gen 2:1-3, EX 20:8-11
--The ONLY day GOD NAMED--Seventh day--SAbbath--Isaiah 58:13
--The ONLY day GOD DECLARES as HIS HOLY DAY--Seventh day--Isaiah 58:13
PROVE THEM WRONG!!
@@mitchellosmer1293 "Then God blessed the Seventh day and made it holy". Gen 2:3.The Seventh day is the last day of the week which is Saturday. The Catholic Church made the First day of the week, which is Sunday, which God didn't bless and made holy. Then the catholic church has the nerve to declare that everything in the Catholic Church is holy.
@@benjaminfalzon4622 quote--- "Then God blessed the Seventh day and made it holy". Gen 2:3.The Seventh day is the last day of the week which is Saturday. The Catholic Church made the First day of the week, which is Sunday, which God didn't bless and made holy. Then the catholic church has the nerve to declare that everything in the Catholic Church is holy.
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I agree 100%.
Feel so good when I hear and see other Christian, know beauty of catholic worship. Am catholic but I experience good pichure from outside then I will describe my faith, though love my faith forever 😊
Catholics claim Sunday is a holy day made by God.
I will ask these questions again which NO ONE can answer.
And I know you will NOT!!!
---Where in the Holy Bible does God say He rested on the first day of the week to make that day special??
----Where in the Holy Bible does God say He BLESSEDthe first day of the week to make that day special??
----Where in the Holy Bible does God say He SANCTIFIED the first day of the week to make that day special??
---Where in the Holy Bible does God say He Gave a name to the first day of the week to make that day special??
---Where in the Holy Bible does God say He DECLARES the first day of the week as HIS HOLY DAY to make that day special??
FACTS"
--The ONLY day GOD RESTED ON--Seventh day!! Gen 2:1-3, EX 20:8-11
--The ONLY day GOD BLESSED--Seventh dayt---Gen 2:1-3, EX 20:8-11
--The ONLY day GOD SANCTIFIED--Seventh day--Gen 2:1-3, EX 20:8-11
--The ONLY day GOD NAMED--Seventh day--SAbbath--Isaiah 58:13
--The ONLY day GOD DECLARES as HIS HOLY DAY--Seventh day--Isaiah 58:13
PROVE THEM WRONG!!
Beautiful. ❤" Words rightly spoken are like apples of gold in pitchers of silver. " Thank you for putting our faith into words
Fr. Michael is the real deal. Check out his liturgies in St. Louis if you ever get the chance!
Welcome home to all our converts🙏❤️
I have always felt that about the mass that whatever rite we attend it is strongly rooted in our tradition.
Slava Isusu Christu
Welcome home ,praisr The Lord .May the Holu Spirit guide you and makr your cstholic fsith more stronger
Biblical Proof the seventh day (Saturday) IS the Sabbath
Matt 27:62 The next day, the one after Preparation Day.......
Mat 28:1 In the end of the sabbath, as it began to dawn toward the first day of the week, c
Mark 15:42 - It was Preparation Day (that is, the day before the Sabbath).
Mark 16:1-2 - When the Sabbath was over,
Mark 16:9 When Jesus rose early on the first day of the week
Luke 23:54 It was Preparation Day, and the Sabbath was about to begin
Luke 23:56 Then they went home and prepared spices and perfumes. But they rested on the Sabbath in obedience to the commandment.
Luke 24:1 On the first day of the week, very early in the morning, ....
John 19:31 Now since it was preparation day, in order that the bodies might not remain on the cross on the sabbath, for the sabbath day of that week was a solemn one,
John 19:42 because of the Jewish day of Preparation, since the tomb was close at hand, they laid Jesus there. 42 And so, because it was the day of preparation for the Jewish Passover
John 20:1 The first day of the week cometh Mary Magdalene early, when it was yet dark, unto the sepulchre,
btw---Matt --14:19----- Jesus "broke bread"--Communion?? No. they ate bread and fish.
welcome home brother. From Philippines.
Some people say that a structured prayer like mass is repetitive and boring and loses meaning. Do court vows lose meaning when they are done the same way?. There is an ongoing event always done the same way. Rev. 4:8-9. Any complaints of boredom here?
It has been said in this way for 2000 years, how can that be devoid of meaning?
@@spaceforgrace3312 What Jesus Said about Prayer. Jesus said, “But when ye pray, use not vain repetitions, as the heathen do: for they think that they shall be heard for their much speaking” (Matthew 6:7, KJV).
So beautifully explained 🙏🏻❤️🙏🏻❤️🙏🏻❤️
Lovely to hear- and I am intrigued by the painting in the background. More info anyone?
The one on the right is a portrayal by Robert Zund of Jesus after his ressurection on the road to Emmaus when He taught 2 disciples all the scriptures in the O.T. about himself and they proclaimed "Did not our hearts burn within us as he opened to us the scriptures...?" Luke 24:13-32 -- one of my favorite passages in the Bible, because it describes how I feel every time I "see" my Lord in the Word of God! (I can't see the other picture clearly enough to know what it's portraying.)
@@deborahgibson7457 I believe the other is by Fra Angelico, “The Forerunners of Christ with Saints and Martyrs” (c. 1423-24)
The one on the left might be Pentecost.
@@deborahgibson7457 thankyou. I should have said the one on the left directly behind Father's head! Although I am familiar with the other one, and the passage, and how wonderful it is!
@@marcuslow1386 doesn't look like Fra Angelico it is too modern, but I will check thanks.
Amen🙏🙏🙏
…And more Tradition leads to greater graces, mystery, education and worship.
In the beginning he was describing one of those hokey Lifeteen masses.
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The revolt against vows has been carried in our day even to the extent of a revolt against the typical vow of marriage. It is most amusing to listen to the opponents of marriage on this subject. They appear to imagine that the ideal of constancy was a yoke mysteriously imposed on mankind by the devil, instead of being, as it is, a yoke consistently imposed by all lovers on themselves. They have invented a phrase, a phrase that is a black and white contradiction in two words-“free-love”- as if a lover ever had been, or ever could be, free. It is the nature of love to bind itself, and the institution of marriage merely paid the average man the compliment of taking him at his word. -- GKC, The Defendant, A Defence of Rash Vows, 1902
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Welcome home to the original church founded by Jesus Christ
quote---Welcome home to the original church founded by Jesus Christ--unquote
Nope--He founded Christianity!!!
btw-----Churches named in the Bible from 33AD--100AD
----Church of God. Acts 20:28 , Body of Christ.--Ephesians 1:22-23, -----Bride of Christ Revelation 21:9 , -------Church of the Living God.-1 Timothy 3:15 , -----City of the Living God. Hebrews 12:22, ----Flock of God.Ezekiel 34:15 ,
----Fold of Christ.John 10:16, ----Habitation of God. Ephesians 2:22
-----Heavenly of Jerusalem.Galatians 4:26, ----House of God. 1 Timothy 3:15 , ----House of the God of Jacob. Isaiah 2:3 , ----House of Christ. Hebrews 3:6 , ----Household of God. Ephesians 2:19 , ----Israel of God.
Galatians 6:16,----Mount Zion.Psalm 2:6 , Hebrews 12:22, -----New Jerusalem.Revelation 21:2, ----Sanctuary of God.Psalm 114:2, ----Spouse of Christ.,Song of Solomon 4:12 ,----Temple of God.1 Corinthians 3:16-17
----Temple of the Living God. 2 Corinthians 6:16
---****-What is absent is the name Catholic!!! NOT ONE church ever named "Catholic from 30AD--to--100D!!!!!!
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btw--First Catholic church built in Jerusalem was in 326AD!! SO, where did catholics attend church from 30AD----326AD????
So the Catholic church thinks that saying mass pleases God so much, that during each mass, Christ descends down from heaven onto the altar. The problem with that doctrine is massive. There's only one true Jesus Christ, and there are hundreds of masses being said worldwide at the same time 24/7 So which of the hundreds of altars does Christ descend on?
As I've said there is only one true Jesus Christ, so it doesn't make sense that he would descend on all the altars at the same time". But on the other hand, there are many false Christs, more than enough false Christs to descend on every altar during masses. Now that makes sense.
Benjamin, it's a good question, and one that many of us who come from Evangelical backgrounds wrestled with before becoming Catholic. There is indeed only one Christ, who died once for all, in atonement for our sins.
And yet, even as Evangelicals, we had a mysterious sense that it was possible for that same Jesus to be everywhere but also personally close to us as individuals. He is resurrected, glorified, ascended to the right hand of the Father, and yet closer to us than we are to ourselves. How is that possible, with a billion Christians worldwide? At some of the services I went to, there were hundreds of people being led together in the "Sinner's Prayer," asking Jesus to come into their hearts. So to turn that question around, if there's only one true Jesus Christ, and there are hundreds of people asking Him into their hearts at the same time, which of the hundreds of hearts does Christ enter?
To those of us who come from Evangelicalism, we'd think the idea preposterous that in a situation like that, the real Christ only descended into one heart, and false Christs descended into the other hearts.
For many of us, the first question about the Mass was, "is it *possible* for Jesus to be truly present in the Eucharist, body, blood, soul and divinity?" But as Christians, we know that the question we're asking is a loaded one: is it *possible* that the Word who became Flesh, who walked on water, who calmed storms, who healed the sick, , raised the dead and even rose from the dead Himself, could be uniquely present to us in the Eucharist? The answer is, of *course* it's possible. Jesus is God, and he showed us an infinitesimal fraction of what he's capable of during His time walking this earth.
The question that follows from that is, "if it's *possible* for Jesus to be truly present in the Eucharist, then *is* He truly present in the Eucharist?" And that leads us to the Last Supper accounts, John 6, I Corinthians 11, and other passages from the New Testament, which are interpreted in various ways by various Christians. But the first Christians, the ones taught by the apostles themselves, believed and attested to what we still believe today as Catholics: that the possible is true, and that Jesus really is with us always and everywhere, but uniquely so in Holy Communion.
@@cominghomenetwork I don't care about any religion. As once a catholic, I turned my back on the catholic church and became an ex-Catholic. Now I chose to be a Non-denominational, meaning "I don't follow or believe in any religion". I know, that all religions are false. They all take the scriptures out of context and insert their own beliefs into them.
The Catholic Church's doctrines are all man-made, none of the catholic doctrines is inspired by God". What is the "Eucharist"? There is no such word in the whole Bible.
Why are you trying to insert what the devil is telling you, into the Holy Scriptures.?
You don't have a clue what John 6:1 and Cor 11 mean, inserting your beliefs into them as they suit you isn't going to get you anywhere in the right direction.
Let's take a look at God's second commandment as in Deut 5:8-9 for example which deals with Idolatry". Why has the Catholic church deleted the 2nd Commandment and did exactly the opposite of what God commanded his people not to do?
Tell me what the catholic second commandment says, to see if it is the same 2nd commandment as in Deut 5:8-9.
There's nothing in the Bible about Mass, Rosary, Mary worshipping, confessing sins to a man, etc.
The Catholic church's doctrines are not based on the word of God, they are all based on paganism and lies.
Also, Jesus is in heaven, not everywhere. God's Spirit is everywhere, and so is the devil.
As far as believing that Jesus descends down from heaven and onto the altar during a mass. This is what Jesus has to say about that matter.
"At that time, if anyone says to you 'Look, here is Christ' or there he is! do not believe it". Matt 24:23 "KJV"
None of the things you wrote in your post is from the Bible, and if it isn't from the Bible, then it isn't from God.
@@cominghomenetwork As far as the billions of Christians worldwide are concerned, that raises a big red flag. "Which is another reason why I chose to be a non-denominational". Jesus said that many will be deceived. Matt 24:4-5
Take heed that no one deceives you, for many will come in my name, saying I am Christ and will deceive the Many Matt 24:4-5
Rev 6:1 also symbolizes the false Christs and the false religions. it is the same prophecy as Matt 24:4-5.
Holy Catholic Church is from God. Every word in the Bible
@@paulcapaccio9905 I was once a Catholic, and as a Catholic, I never even knew that the Bible even existed. All I heard was mass, the Rosary, confessing my sins to a man, idolatry, pagan feasts, lies, and Mary worship. The pagan list is endless.
The Catholic Church doesn't even know that the Bible even exists let alone understanding any of it.
The Catholic Church is from God, so says the devil!
Non denominational Pentecostal church is not a thing. Pentecostal is a denomination
"non denominational" in general is not a thing. They're not neutral, they're not without organisation, etc. It's an incoherent concept.
@@ferreus thank you for improving my criticism!
The repetitive, ecstatic babblings common in Pentecostal services are vain repetitions like the pagans that Jesus warned against.
I love the profound quote by Pope Paul VI on the liturgy. 🎚
Those who Faithful in Jesus always become catholic but carzy faith of catholic people they go whatever.
The concept of praise & worship in the non denominational churches is sketchy at best. When you walk into a "church" and all you see is a stage? Wow. I see that as religious themed entertainment. That's why the seats have cup holders in the back, just like the movies. It's not for me to judge, which I am not, but I will never set foot into another non denominational church.