Why We Didn't Need An R-Rated Hellboy
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- čas přidán 13. 02. 2024
- When it was first announced that Hellboy 2019 was going to reboot the famous franchise while also being Rated R, most fans were cautiously optimistic about seeing David Harbour as Hellboy. Though most didn't think Hellboy needed a reboot after the successful Guillermo Del Toro movies. When Hellboy 2019 finally hit theaters, most fans worst nightmare was realized. The movie was a mess, and seemed to take all the wrong lessons from the source material. But did Hellboy 2019 even stand a chance at being good?
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I don't think we minded the idea of an R-rated Hellboy. Or even David Harbour playing Hellboy. Most people just wanted to see the Del Toro/Ron Perlman era properly concluded and, aside from the two animated films, we never got that.
Fully agree. At the time there was a lot of hate for this movie from it's announcement due to the Del Toro crowd panning the very idea of a hell boy movie without Pearlman.
It never stood a chance. David Harbour was an inspired choice as a replacement IMO but the movie and Pearlmans shadow looming, never gave him the chance he needed.
That. But truth be told, the reboot was horrible even on its own.
Should have just continued the original movie plot rather than do a reboot
Limitation can help creativity
Del toro should've definitely finished his trilogy
Ron Perlman is and always will be our Hellboy.
He was super iconic, but his Hellboy had little in common with the one from the comics. I absolutely love both of GDT’s movies, but i would like to see a more comic accurate version of him on the big screen
@@francescolapietra930was the new one more accurate to the comic?
TBH David harbour was the only other human able to pull it off they did terrible with the make up tho
@@Watch-0w1 It tried to be more like the original comics, but it just failed badly.
If any movie should be R rated it should be Hellboy
Yeah, that's just nonsense. The movie isn't bad because of the R rating, that was the one thing it got right.
Ya, he's got some bad takes and this is definitely one of them
Indeed PG-13 is a death sentence of mediocrity.
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Absolutely not
Neil Marshall was the right director for the wrong movie
Every fan of the source material wanted an R rated Hellboy
R-rating doesn't = good movie. gore/language ans sex can't replace good writing
@@benjaminwatt2436 it can help influence it though. The story is already written in the graphic novels
@@BladeITguy i'm not sure how mature material would influence good writing. Usually i see it the other way around. like how many comedians relay on cheap dirty jokes instead of elaborate jokes that build up to one big punch line
@@benjaminwatt2436 not talking about comedians. Talking about Hellboy.
Zack Snyder didn't have to do much to adapt watchmen. He did a page to screen
No.
16 producers is way too many people in command!
I saw a tweet floating around about how much The Green Knight visually evokes the chiaroscuro of Hellboy and that makes me think that the best Hellboy adaption isnt trying to make it into a big budget MCU style fair, but keeping in mind the independent and artist driven spirit that created it.
God the green knight was so boring lol
Absolutely
A lot of films get ruined when producers think they’re “creative”.
The R rating was NOT the issue with this movie. Because if any franchise deserves an R rating it would be Hellboy. The problem was the storyline. Plot. And phoning it in acting.
Ron perlman/guillermo has just that very distinct and recognizable charm
Too bad del Toro and Pearlman never made a third movie.
Man, Abe and Hellboy getting drunk together in Hellboy 2 is truly unique, funny, and hilarious bromance moment 😂😂😂
I think the biggest mistake was choosing to adapt the final arc of the comic, an mix it with a bunch of other stories. The Crooked Man is a much more low budget friendly arc.
Del toro and pearlman make hellboy
I appreciate the effort the cast and crew put in but I think Hellboy(2019) was just something nobody was asking for and unfortunately the movie just didn’t land.
David Harbour was genuinely excellent as Hellboy and the movie was fine. It was absolutely crammed with fun ideas - arguably TOO MANY fun ideas, because none of them ever got a chance to breathe, so what you effectively had was an entire Netflix series' worth of content stuffed into a single movie where EVERYTHING! HAPPENED! ALL! AT! ONCE!! making for a bit of an exhausting watch if you weren't paying full attention.
I genuinely think had circumstances been different, people would look a lot more kindly on this version of the character.
Excellent movie!They knew there wasn't going be another one, so,cramming all in was their only choice.
I agree completely. There were scenes they could have got rid of entirely, concentrated on the rest, and devoted more time. They didn't need to revisit the origin story on the Island, they could have not done the whole 'Knights of Ni' sequence at the beginning too. But I liked David Harbour as Hellboy.
@@engineeredlifeform David was a excellent choice...Ron of course is #1 but David was top notch.
I hope there are more hellboy to come.
Agreed! It had a lot going for it, but it was just too much for anyone not already familiar with the property, and not always deep enough for those who are!
I think that might've been one of the few times I've seen the Critical Drinker without the sunglasses.
Obviously, this wasn’t the movie fans wanted… we wanted Del Toro and Perlman… but I LOVE Hellboy and I gave this movie a chance. I think your analysis is spot on. It’s not terrible though, just trying to do too much and not doing what it does cram in we’ll enough. Here’s to more Hellboy films, and some tears for the never-to-happen Hellboy 3
I liked that movie. I also liked the Ron Perlman versions AND read the comics **GASP**
André Øvredal should direct Hellboy
He already worked with Del Toro in "Scary Stories to Tell in the Dark" and did a great job
So sad Golden Army didn't get the love it deserved. It got totally overshadowed by The Dark Knight in cinemas. I actually find Hell Boy 2 more fun to rewatch than DK
Same. I regularly Golden Army whenever I can!
We needed a 3rd installment before this one
We missed our chance at a proper Hellboy followup and will never get Guillermo's H3. Ron Perlman was too perfect in the part and that's a good chunk of why future versions are going to be that much more difficult.
I haven't seen the newer one, but the R-rating most likely isn't the reason it failed. The original two were good *despite* the PG-13 rating, not because of it. The real problem is not bringing the original director or cast back.
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I didn’t mind this idea
I am wondering why nothing has been released about the upcoming Crooked Man film.
Not even a set photo or title card.
I enjoyed the original 2 movies but was pleasantly surprised at the new version and appreciate what they did to the characters. Hoping they would continue with more stories.
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At the beginning of this video I remembered loving the comics and was thinking "I like David Harbor, how bad could this movie be.." then when I saw Mila Jovovich as the Blood Queen, I remembered I HAD seen this movie.
Not just bad, forgettable.
Ron Perlman is a great actor that is a fact, like math or gravity. He made the role of Hellboy his own, that goes without question. But David Harbour did a great job as Hellboy and carried that impossibly bad film on his back like the greek titan Atlas _but for acting_ . With a better film surrounding him, I would definitely watch David Harbour take another crack at playing Hellboy.
I would kill for a third and final Guillermo del toro film
R rating was perfect. Neil is perfect for an R rating. The problem was that instead of making it a dark, Lovecraftian, faerie influenced horror film out of it, they made an MCU style quipathon with added swearing.
The script is the problem. The R rating is the single good decision they made.
The Hellboy series is one of my fav comics ever. GDT’s films are cults and Pearlman’s hellboy is iconic, but i think we deserve a more true to the character version on the big screen.
It was for me. I like it and saw it in the theater. I like the other movies too. I would have had no problem with this being a prequel or trilogy finisher.
I think that they should have started with the full adaption of "Darkness Calls" as the first movie, then "The Wild Hunt" as the second movie, and finally "The Storm And The Fury" the third movie in this trilogy like the comics they are based on. It's truly sad they couldn't film the movie similar to the epic Hellboy trilogy.
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The r rating wasn’t the problem at all. It was that whoever made this obviously wanted to make music videos and not a movie.
I love Guillermo del Toro. His creature are uncanny creepy but majestic at the same time
As a longtime fan of the Hellboy comics, a friend who'd never read them watched this movie with me, and we both wholly hated it for separate reasons. It was like someone took a grab bag of various, disparate stories from the comics, shook them in a container, and poured out a "greatest hits" mess of plot points that had no business being mixed together.
On top of that, the bizarre decision to make the ghostly version of Professor Bruttenholm look like a bizarrely fleshy, almost intestinal creature with gaunt makeup, caused him to almost seem like he was supposed to be an antagonist character, rather than the father figure in what was allegedly supposed to be a touching moment, but missed the mark by a mile
Obviously the title is a lie. But regardless, 2 things to actually love about this film any other Hellboy movie are:
1: An accurate depiction of Excalibur's story.
And 2: The fact Hellboy never misses a shot
We need MORE R-Rated movies, come on bro…
We live in a time where we see old movies get sequels ten years or more since their release, and I for one would love a Hellboy III!
Hellboy remake was very uninteresting to me that I fell asleep the first 40 mins. I gave it a chance since my best friend loved it and watched it in theaters
I like David Harbour but Ron Perlman is Hellboy - they couldn't have cast that part any better.
I'm interested to see the new take on Hellboy with the next reboot
Especially with Mike Mignola at the helm
Plus, I think Brian Taylor is a suitable choice for director, I really liked his work in MOM AND DAD
I wonder if he was the real genius behind Neveldine/Taylor, because between the two, Taylor was the only one that managed to come at top after they split up
I was a massive fan of the original Hellboy movies and was super excited and learning that a new one was coming out. After watching the 2019 Hellboy, I found myself pretty disappointed every single scene in the movie just feels slightly off and I don't really know how to describe it other than that the acting is really strange and unnatural at times and the CGI looks cheap
I did like Thomas Haden Church as Lobster Johnson
That's definitely a production nightmare
never read the comics but i loved the movies growing up. I know the golden army wasnt the favorite but in still loved it and always wished for a third. no more than that though, a trilogy is fine.
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I’ve always thought that Hellboy Reboot had the same problem that DCEU movies did. They tried to immediately jump into Avengers team up against the super big bad instead of building up the characters in their separate movies and slowly introducing new ones with their character developments. Hellboy Reboot had like 3 moments where it was like “Oh the world’s doomed, wait a minute, another macguffin!”
On the track of movies that might not get a 3rd installment, that this video reminded me of. The Boondocks Saint's.
regardless if how thus movie turned out, the idea of disliking the idea of an R-Rated hellboy is a little odd…
Idgaf, I loved this 2019 Reboot of Hellboy and wished we got atleast one more piece of media with David Harbor’s Hellboy before they decided again to reboot Hellboy
My biggest problem with the movie, besides an even more juvenile hellboy from the already tiring reverse dog years that del toro made up, is that it makes del toro's version addicts think only del toro and pearlman are the only ones that should ever make hellboy movies ever and that they need the third instead of letting a more faithful one with different stories with more horror folklore from the lore
I think it's crazy that they already shot *another* Hellboy movie so soon after the 2019 one.
Ben Daimio and Abe Sapien on screen would be great, the chemistry, it’ll be an inviting challenge for seasonal writers
I didn’t even know this 2019 movie existed
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I prefer del Toro and ron perlman's hellboy much more but I didn't hate the reboot. It's entertaining to me and I dig the creature designs still. I want hellboy 3 still more than almost any other movie sequel I could think of.
I really liked it. Too bad it flopped.
Geez Hollywood already rebooted barely 5 years later? Smh
The del Toro movies, especially the first one, felt more like the comic book honestly.
But the R rating is fair, Hellboy is R rated wtf.
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I respectfully disagree. If it was handled right and if the producers didn't get in the way, it could have been a great movie that also rated R. Hell-boy has got some very graphic moments in certain comics, stuff that would be considered very rated R. It can be done as long as it is handled right like anything in media.
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Honestly David deseved better. Been thinking of doing a personal recut of the movie like getting rid of the music in sections where it doesnt fit and other stuff
At this point I'll be happy with a comic or novel conclusion of the Del Toro version
I never bothered to see the Hellboy reboot. After I saw that all the reviews were terrible after it was first released, I figured I had no reason to risk ruining the Del Toro films for myself. Those two are once in a lifetime movies, and I want to always think of them that way. Plus, literally everyone I know who’s seen the reboot says it’s awful anyway.
I didn't even know they made another hell boy...
The Golden Army is an Underrated Sequel that is much better than the original.
I’ll go to bat that it’s one of the all time best sequels. I saw it and kid of looked around like “Is anyone seeing this greatness?” A crumbling army, a sing along, every joke hitting, a truly scary villain and a MacGuffin element we all buy into but don’t really care about. It’s fantastic.
Back when this came out, I was still in high school, and I remember going with friends, but we had to purchase tickets for a Pixar film and sneak in because we weren’t 18 yet, was it worth it? Not really lol
I know I watched this, But as Gandalf once said, "I have no memory of this place."
Brilliant.
Poor Lobster Johnson got done dirty...🙄
I hope they never make Hellboy 3. It’s been 20 years, and Hollywood finds a way of messing up things like that
When I heard about an R-rated Hellboy movie, I knew it was just going to be a bloody mess shockfest and loaded with f-bombs... I didn't need that as a fan of Hellboy. Then I saw Harbours makeup... and I was off the train altogether.
I thought it was alright but could have been better.
I disagree with the title. I think we needed a rated R Hellboy. I loved it. IMO from a movie standpoint, not comic. The movie was fantastic and I wanted to see more. Way more than the first and 2nd movie.
I think hell boy would make a good mini series personally
God, I hope The Crooked Man does well…whenever the hell it comes out
I’ve been saying ever since this thing got announced that hellboy does not need to be rated r. The comics are just not that bloody. It’s comic book violence, action movie violence, not gore.
Hellboy stories is Also a horror story
@@teddybear8348 not really though. It’s heavily based in horror, but not a lot of hellboy would really be considered horror. It’s comic book action with a horror backdrop.
@@nickmandl Hellboy the corked man will tell you otherwise
@@teddybear8348 a. You mean crooked. B. I didn’t say no hellboy is horror, I said most of it would not be considered horror. You were able to name a single hellboy story (a short story) that is fully a horror story. Now name another one.
I don't mind not seeing Del Toro's Hellboy 3. I think Del Toro's lost the plot a bit with that god awful cabinet of curiosity series. But I would love to see Mike Mignola's Hellboy movie.
Am I the only one who didn’t mind the reboot.
Im gonna get a lot of hate for this but the new hellboy is better than Del Toro’s
First time I watched it , I hated it but then loved it in my rewatch
I would love to see a third Original Hellboy movie.
I've heard others say this one's alright, not bad, exactly, but I wouldn't know-I never saw it.
I didn't like this movie because it was smashing so many different Hellboy story lines together while also mangling all of them in some terrible way. That's not even considering the character assassination of Professor Bruttenholm, who was such a good father to Hellboy it's one of the big reasons he never became the herald of doom he was supposed to be. There's other bits, like throwing in a one shot from Hellboy in Mexico as the opener, Screwing up the tragic tale of Gruagach, the usual redhead removal with Alice Monaghan (because of course Hollywood would do this) a random and unnecessary inclusion of Lobster Johnson and the re-writing of Hellboys origin making the good professor seemingly want to eliminate Hellboy when they first met.
It's just bad from the ground up.
I like the look of Hellboy in this movie, but that was about it. Not enough to carry a movie.
I found it a fun watch when free
The first two Hellboy movies staring Ron Perlman as Hellboy were masterpieces. This reboot was ok to me.
I think this film was fantastic!!!
They should have just brought back Del Toro to finish his trilogy
The Del Toro films weren’t technically that good; they're definitely uneven in terms of writing, pacing, plot, but the set design, character and creature design, and the actors' portrayals of their characters were iconic.
The new film was a boring, ultraviolent, schizophrenic, and dull; tired spectacle. Not sure how else to describe it. But the creatures were cool (though the were-jaguar was a major letdown, especially since I read the comics); the demon scene, though short, was amazing.
What Hellboy needs is a multi series of films that captures the epic struggle against the Ogdru Jahad, Rasputin, the Black Flame, and the Frogs, which played out over hundreds of comics. But that's probably an impossible project for a film studio to tackle, so a nice, low-key, tightly plotted, unpretentious, gutsy film would be nice.
I will NEVER forgive those nimrod producers who decided not to make Hellboy 3.
Don’t think I ever cared about the rating and I actually thought Harbour was a great choice but the movie was just crap, kinda felt like they hadn’t really read any of the books despite the movie being heavily based off of the wild hunt
The movie being R-rated wasn't the problem. The script was the real issue.
I wouldn't care if it was R rated or not as long as it was a great story and had good actors. Ron Perlman nailed the part in the first two movies, the new guy was ok. I just didn't like the storyline of the movie. It jumped all over the place. Honestly can't remember much about the movie because it was bad. It's like Conan the barbarian I didn't want to see a remake I wanted to see king Conan the third movie. I wanted to see Hellboy's third movie.
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The worst part to me about the reboot is that Harbour could have been an AMAZING Hellboy...if they'd let him put more of season 1 Hopper into it. Season 1 Hopper with more of a sense of humor is almost spot on Hellboy. And an R rating could have worked but just having Hellboy say fuck and act like an edgy teenager is not the right usage of that rating.
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Seriously, a waste of money. 2 beautifully done movies for a remake that should have been in the bin before it was greenlit
I guess I’m one of the few that loved this movie. And my wife liked it too, so I don’t understand the universal hate.