Why the Mongols Tolerated Other Religions

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    The Kings and Generals animated historical documentary series on Mongol History continues with a video asking if the Mongols were Religiously Tolerant, as we look at how the Mongol empire engaged with various religions in their realm, including Islam, Christianity, Buddhism and Daoism.
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  • @KingsandGenerals
    @KingsandGenerals  Pƙed 2 lety +82

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    • @marcus4046
      @marcus4046 Pƙed 2 lety

      Next you should look at how the iberian peninsula was tolerant or southern Italy.

    • @dipmalyaroy987
      @dipmalyaroy987 Pƙed 2 lety +3

      make a video on imperial chola and their navy

    • @heliosdromus7231
      @heliosdromus7231 Pƙed 2 lety

      Here is an idea - a video on an obscure religion from Iberia (Spain) known as pricillianism. Or how divided Spain was.

  • @googane7755
    @googane7755 Pƙed 2 lety +691

    Makes sense, the mongols did not actively support or oppose one religion. They just showed favour to those that proved useful and largely ignored smaller sects.

    • @jesseberg3271
      @jesseberg3271 Pƙed 2 lety +72

      Which, by the standards of the time, counted as being tolerant.

    • @nguyennguyenhuy7730
      @nguyennguyenhuy7730 Pƙed 2 lety +8

      @@jesseberg3271 You don't call a fish that lived in the narrow water a land-occupying fish when animals had not come to shore, just because by the time's standard it is the one made it closest to land, do you? Neither did the Mongols, they made it close to religious tolerance, but didn't make it.

    • @tsmlaska7761
      @tsmlaska7761 Pƙed 2 lety +2

      @@jesseberg3271 My friend, I have a homework. The Turkish empires that left deep traces in the history of the world and the states that are the descendants of those empires today are being asked. can you count a few

    • @tsmlaska7761
      @tsmlaska7761 Pƙed 2 lety

      @@nguyennguyenhuy7730 My friend, I have a homework. The Turkish empires that left deep traces in the history of the world and the states that are the descendants of those empires today are being asked. can you count a few

    • @leoponmusic
      @leoponmusic Pƙed 2 lety

      @@nguyennguyenhuy7730 chill

  • @Theleaver5088
    @Theleaver5088 Pƙed 2 lety +360

    Basically, they tolerate religion, but not in the way we expected

    • @thesudaneseprince9675
      @thesudaneseprince9675 Pƙed 2 lety +13

      Lol, thanks for the summary Anakin

    • @jacobxiongnu2931
      @jacobxiongnu2931 Pƙed 2 lety +38

      For their time yes, we can’t really compare the modern definition of religious tolerance for the time of the Mongols.

    • @nguyennguyenhuy7730
      @nguyennguyenhuy7730 Pƙed 2 lety +27

      ​@@jacobxiongnu2931 Then it wasn't so special to be praised, as the Roman Empire, the Archemenid empire and Macedonian empire all practiced that.

    • @Wolfeson28
      @Wolfeson28 Pƙed 2 lety +8

      So...you're saying they didn't deal in absolutes?

    • @tsmlaska7761
      @tsmlaska7761 Pƙed 2 lety +1

      @@Wolfeson28 My friend, I have a homework. The Turkish empires that left deep traces in the history of the world and the states that are the descendants of those empires today are being asked. can you count a few

  • @stevenchoza6391
    @stevenchoza6391 Pƙed 2 lety +666

    The Mongol Empire were, in my mind, less an example of proto-Enlightenment ideals and more an example of a proto-Globalization society.

    • @johannesl6978
      @johannesl6978 Pƙed 2 lety +19

      I agree 100%!

    • @0sm1um76
      @0sm1um76 Pƙed 2 lety +85

      I think calling the Mongols globalizers or modernizers is like shooting an arrow and drawing a bulls eye where it lands.
      Imo the interconnecting of the far east and west was a by product of the Mongols beating ass, and less of a high minded aspiration of theirs.

    • @stevenchoza6391
      @stevenchoza6391 Pƙed 2 lety +42

      @@0sm1um76
      I never said it was intentional
.

    • @JAGUARR1
      @JAGUARR1 Pƙed 2 lety +3

      Both were oppressors

    • @MrGksarathy
      @MrGksarathy Pƙed 2 lety +1

      And both are just as extractive and brutal as each other.

  • @hellavadeal
    @hellavadeal Pƙed 2 lety +406

    "I care not what gods they worship so long has they obey my commands."

    • @JaketheJust
      @JaketheJust Pƙed 2 lety +56

      Thomas Jefferson said something like that, “Matters not how many gods my neighbor prays to or none at all. So long as he does not break my bones or picks my wallet.”

    • @edoedo8686
      @edoedo8686 Pƙed 2 lety +7

      @@JaketheJust Jefferson was a slave owner. Although, he had doubts. About it.

    • @jimmyrebel9385
      @jimmyrebel9385 Pƙed 2 lety +1

      that is based

    • @tsmlaska7761
      @tsmlaska7761 Pƙed 2 lety +1

      @@JaketheJust My friend, I have a homework. The Turkic empires that left deep traces in world history and the states that are the descendants of these empires today are asked. can you count a few

    • @tsmlaska7761
      @tsmlaska7761 Pƙed 2 lety +1

      @@edoedo8686 My friend, I have a homework. The Turkic empires that left deep traces in world history and the states that are the descendants of these empires today are asked. can you count a few

  • @zako9396
    @zako9396 Pƙed 2 lety +765

    People:"Are you religious tolerant?"
    Mongol Empire:"Yesn't"

    • @DanielAspajo9930
      @DanielAspajo9930 Pƙed 2 lety +52

      Yesn't lol this should be an official word

    • @googane7755
      @googane7755 Pƙed 2 lety +18

      Better than a straight up ban or persecution which is likely the best you can get in the medieval age...

    • @tsmlaska7761
      @tsmlaska7761 Pƙed 2 lety +2

      @Θ.Σ.Κ.30 ΙΙ My friend, I have a homework. The Turkish empires that left deep traces in the history of the world and the states that are the descendants of those empires today are being asked. can you count a few

    • @tsmlaska7761
      @tsmlaska7761 Pƙed 2 lety

      @@Dreagostini My friend, I have a homework. The Turkish empires that left deep traces in the history of the world and the states that are the descendants of those empires today are being asked. can you count a few

    • @snuscaboose1942
      @snuscaboose1942 Pƙed 2 lety

      Yeah, nah.

  • @Tuna685
    @Tuna685 Pƙed 2 lety +252

    I always pictured Mongol Religious Tolerance as “you better pray your God is right.Otherwise..”

    • @manchagojohnsonmanchago6367
      @manchagojohnsonmanchago6367 Pƙed 2 lety +17

      naar they were super tolerent compared to any other society at the time.. even mroe so than the romans or greeks . they simply didnt care about other groups religions as they believe their sky god had decided they could conquer these other people.. many senior mongols were Christians.. muslims.. buddhists ect..

    • @Tuna685
      @Tuna685 Pƙed 2 lety +2

      @@manchagojohnsonmanchago6367 true

    • @himum3429
      @himum3429 Pƙed 2 lety +1

      @@manchagojohnsonmanchago6367 LOL why are u saying more so as if classical Greco-Roman civilisation is known for being tolerant. They enforced their ideals on the people they conquered. Just like the Spanish and Persian empires.

    • @Hideyoshi1991
      @Hideyoshi1991 Pƙed 2 lety +18

      @@himum3429 most empires did this, tolerance is not the same as acceptance, it just means you probably won't be brutalised.

    • @himum3429
      @himum3429 Pƙed 2 lety +2

      @@Hideyoshi1991 That's a fair point.

  • @AdamNoizer
    @AdamNoizer Pƙed 2 lety +284

    I love how all history myth debunking videos seem to begin with “It all started when Edward Gibbon said
”

    • @Prodigi50
      @Prodigi50 Pƙed 2 lety +23

      He is almost like the father of modern history.

    • @AdamNoizer
      @AdamNoizer Pƙed 2 lety +8

      @@Prodigi50 True.

    • @Swift-mr5zi
      @Swift-mr5zi Pƙed 2 lety +11

      Plato made a great many philosophical mistakes, yet he is still regarded as one of the great philosophers.

    • @janobara6337
      @janobara6337 Pƙed 2 lety +16

      @@Swift-mr5zi I understand that philosophy is not exempt from logic, but how can you make a philosophical mistake? Especially if the field barely started existing at that point. I thought you make your own philosophy after all and it's others' choice to follow it, that's how I understand it; there is no right or wrong philosophy in this mindset.

    • @Swift-mr5zi
      @Swift-mr5zi Pƙed 2 lety +20

      @@janobara6337 You answered your own question in the first half of your first sentence.

  • @Ramschat
    @Ramschat Pƙed 2 lety +395

    So the answer is... Relatively, yes. Because in history, everything is relative to the norms of that time :)

    • @NobleKorhedron
      @NobleKorhedron Pƙed 2 lety +23

      @@newonevery740: Actually, they were early on. Successor Khanates, however, were more pro-Islam in outlook...

    • @Ramschat
      @Ramschat Pƙed 2 lety +54

      I mean the Muslim kingdoms taxed all non-Muslims and the Christian kingdoms repressed all non-Christian religious worship in the 13th century, so the fact that the worship of other religions was allowed without taxation makes them tolerant for their time.

    • @SetTrippin82
      @SetTrippin82 Pƙed 2 lety +1

      So you should write a book on that. Such a clever man.

    • @Ramschat
      @Ramschat Pƙed 2 lety

      @@SetTrippin82 Thank you! :D

    • @ElBandito
      @ElBandito Pƙed 2 lety +10

      @@newonevery740 Compared to what was going on in the Christian world? Mongols were definitely more tolerant.

  • @napoleonibonaparte7198
    @napoleonibonaparte7198 Pƙed 2 lety +60

    The answer is, “It’s politics”.

  • @brokenbridge6316
    @brokenbridge6316 Pƙed 2 lety +113

    So Mongol tolerance of other religions varied from ruler to ruler. I see. This video was very informative. My compliments to all those that made this video a reality.

  • @ace1776
    @ace1776 Pƙed 2 lety +75

    The mongols allowed Scientology as long as you prayed to Xenu for the Khans good fortune.

  • @JaketheJust
    @JaketheJust Pƙed 2 lety +75

    You see this in all empires. It’s easier to collect the taxes from the pockets of the emperors land if he allows the locals to keep their tradition.

    • @balyeetbhagaloe6416
      @balyeetbhagaloe6416 Pƙed 2 lety +1

      No you don’t

    • @ceoofconfusion100
      @ceoofconfusion100 Pƙed 2 lety +1

      @@balyeetbhagaloe6416 but what if we did

    • @balyeetbhagaloe6416
      @balyeetbhagaloe6416 Pƙed 2 lety +2

      @@ceoofconfusion100 i dont know what you mean but the whole “you see this in all empires” is just inherently a false statement you dont see this in european empires and most moslim empires

    • @nguyennguyenhuy7730
      @nguyennguyenhuy7730 Pƙed 2 lety

      ​@@balyeetbhagaloe6416 Roman, Macedonian empires and French, British, Italian, Netherland colonies are not european, right?

    • @balyeetbhagaloe6416
      @balyeetbhagaloe6416 Pƙed 2 lety

      @@nguyennguyenhuy7730 romans and religious tolerance in the same sentence?đŸ„Ž

  • @TheJackmeisterMongolHistory
    @TheJackmeisterMongolHistory Pƙed 2 lety +300

    The art in this episode is so well done, it makes me want to treat all my contemporaries' beliefs with respect. Möngke Khaan in particular is so lifelike, it is as if you plucked him out of the 1250s! Just as God has given us five fingers on the hand, so too has he given us Kings and Generals

    • @heberthr.6978
      @heberthr.6978 Pƙed 2 lety +9

      Monke khan

    • @thebelieverbangla4353
      @thebelieverbangla4353 Pƙed 2 lety

      Regarding Islam - the Qur’an says in Surah Nisa, Chapter 4, Verse No.82 - ‘Do they not consider the Qur’an with care? - Had it been from anyone besides Allah, there would have been many contradictions.’ ­­­­­­There is not a single. ­­­­­­
      Regarding more contradictions in the Bible - five minutes will be insufficient - Even if they give me 5 days, its difficult. ­­­­­­ Any way I will just mention a few. ­­­­­­ It is mentioned in the 2nd Kings, Chapter No.8, Verse No.26, it says that ‘Ahezia, he was 22 years old, when he began to reign.’ ­­­­­­2nd Chronicles, Chapter No. 22, Verse No. 2, says that
 ‘He was 42 years old, when he began to reign.’ ­­­­­­Was he 22 years old, or was he 42 years old? - Mathematical contradiction. ­­­­­­Further more, in 2nd Chronicles, Chapter No. 21, Verse No. 20, it says that
 ‘Joaram, the father of Ahezia, he reigned at the age of 32 - and he reigned for 8 years, and he died at the age of 40. ­­­­­Immediately
 Ahezia became the next ruler at the age of 42. ­­­­­­ Father died at the age of 40 - Immediately son takes over, who is at the age of 42. ­­­­­­How can a son, be two years older than the father?’ ­­­­­­Believe me even
 even in Hollywood film, you will not be able to produce it. ­­­­­ In Hollywood film, you can produce a ‘unicorn’ which I mentioned in my talk. ­­­­­­ Unicorn
 you can have Coccrodyasis, which the Bible speaks about, Concrodyasis and dragons and serpents. ­­­­­­But in Hollywood you cannot even show a son, being two years older than the father. ­­­­­­It cannot even be a miracle - Even in miracles; it is not possible - Impossible. ­­­­­­In miracle, you can have a person being born of a virgin birth - but in miracle you cannot have a son being older than the father, by 2 years.­­­­­­ Further if you read - it is mentioned in the Bible, in 2nd Samuel Chapter No 24, Verse No 9, that
 ‘The people that were involved in the battlefield. ­­­­­ It gives a list of these people, in 2nd Samuel, Chapter 24, Verse No. 9, and it says that
 ‘People that took part 800 thousand of the men of Israel, took part - and 500 thousand of the men of Judah same.’ If you see other places, 1st Chronicle, Chapter 21, Verse No. 5, it says that
 ‘1 million - Hundred thousand people took part in the battle field, from the men of Israel - and ten thousand four hundred and sixty men took part of Judah.’ ­­­­­­Was it 800 thousand people who took part from the men of Israel, or was it 1 million - 100 thousand? ­­­­­­ Was it 5 lakh people of Judah that took part or 10,460? ­­­­­­A clear-cut contradiction. Further more, it is mentioned in the Bible in 2nd Samuel, Chapter No. 6, Verse No 23, that
 ‘Michael the daughter of Saul - she had no sons’ - 2nd Samuel’, Chapter 21, Verse No. 8
 ‘Michael the daughter of Saul had 5 sons.’ ­­­­­­One place it says
 ‘No children, no son, no daughter’ - Other place
 ‘5 sons.’ ­­­­­­Further more if you read, it is mentioned in Gospel of Mathew, Chapter No. 1, Verse No. 16 - it says about the genealogy of Jesus Christ peace be upon him - as well as Luke Chapter No. 3, Verse No. 23, and it says that
 Jesus’ father, that is Joseph - his father was Jacob’ - Mathew, Chapter 1, Verse 16. ­­­­­­And Luke, Chapter No 3, Verse No 23
 Jesus’ father
 Joseph - his father was Hailey. ­­­­­­Did Jesus’ father
 Joseph, had two fathers ? ­­­­­­ What do you call a person who has got two fathers ? ­­­­­­Or was it Hailey - or was it Jacob ? ­­­­­­Clear-cut contradiction. ­­­­In a holy book where there are so many mathematical errors that can never be a book from God...!

    • @mattmckane9454
      @mattmckane9454 Pƙed 2 lety +1

      @@heberthr.6978 Hmm. Yes, a valid argument.

    • @darkstar4102
      @darkstar4102 Pƙed 2 lety

      Agree mate, it's done very well

    • @fredbarker9201
      @fredbarker9201 Pƙed 2 lety

      Ogodei and the two pretty unimpressive short-reigned Guyuk and Monke were perhaps the three most powerful individuals ever, becuse they were Khans over such a vast empire. of course none of it would be possible without Chinghis or Subutai tho.

  • @justsomepersononyoutube9271
    @justsomepersononyoutube9271 Pƙed 2 lety +49

    The Mongols are a intresting empire to learn about

  • @juanblanco1267
    @juanblanco1267 Pƙed 2 lety +147

    The mongols weren’t practicing tolerance. They were just being pragmatic

    • @theprinceoftides6836
      @theprinceoftides6836 Pƙed 2 lety +1

      Up to a point, and in point I mean having a dagger in your throat . It's like it's Ghengis way or the , well U know lol.

    • @subutaibaatur7669
      @subutaibaatur7669 Pƙed 2 lety +9

      @@theprinceoftides6836 don’t act like you know shit. Chinggis was strong, strict, and brutal but at the same time he had respect and felt for his people. A Western mind can’t cope with that. He killed all those men not because he hated them, but because it was necessary for his purpose.

    • @theprinceoftides6836
      @theprinceoftides6836 Pƙed 2 lety +1

      @@subutaibaatur7669 I'm not acting anything my main man, I'm from that neck of the wood , and I'm pretty sure it's more than likely he's DNA runs thru my vains as it is to 1/3 of the whole human population, but U R right Temugin is a very complex and pragmatic man, arguably the greatest conqueror the world has ever known.

    • @roeelongo1584
      @roeelongo1584 Pƙed 2 lety +6

      All religious tolerance is pragmatism

    • @tulgatulgaldo6241
      @tulgatulgaldo6241 Pƙed 2 lety

      @@subutaibaatur7669 well said. bro

  • @barbiquearea
    @barbiquearea Pƙed 2 lety +94

    When Hulegu sacked Baghdad and executed the last Abassid Caliph in the 14th century, he had a particularly creative punishment for him. The poor caliph was stuffed into a sack and then trampled to death with horses. A horrible way to die but ironically one that the Mongols considered a dignified death. Also in Mongolian culture it was considered taboo to spill the blood of a holy man. Not sure if any worshipers of Islam would have seen it that way, but from their own point of view the Mongols were honoring their holy leader with such a brutal form of execution.

    • @willyguillard2897
      @willyguillard2897 Pƙed 2 lety +15

      me: about to drop some blood
      *mongols staring me intensely*
      *me dropping some blood*
      mongols: all right boyz, ready the horse and bag, its time.

    • @ExcelonTheFourthAvalonHeirs
      @ExcelonTheFourthAvalonHeirs Pƙed 2 lety +7

      Well-well, I remember when Suleiman The Magnificent kill his own son by strangle him because pretty much the same reason.

    • @miAIFI
      @miAIFI Pƙed 2 lety +7

      @@ExcelonTheFourthAvalonHeirs The Turco-Mongolic ethnocultural synthesis shines through right there ;)

    • @faizanhashmi389
      @faizanhashmi389 Pƙed 2 lety +2

      Qitbuqa head was chopped by baibars in ain jalut .

    • @selimsahkulu78
      @selimsahkulu78 Pƙed 2 lety +2

      When you said hulegu i remembered what happened to library of baghdad. May God burn and damn his rotten soul in deepest hole in hell eternal

  • @Mr_M_History
    @Mr_M_History Pƙed 2 lety +106

    You're continually brightening the days of THIS Australian stuck in lockdown, who's using the lockdown to sharpen his Mongol knowledge. Thank you!!

    • @JJJBunney001
      @JJJBunney001 Pƙed 2 lety +9

      You guys have no idea, it's not actually like that in most of the country. Only in 2 cities, everywhere else that complied with lockdowns came out of them fast and went back to normal life. It's not some tyrannical government overreach that's trying to lock up everyone. Of you think about it for more than 2 seconds, who would that benefit anyway?

    • @mikejones3rfs
      @mikejones3rfs Pƙed 2 lety +1

      Wow you Aussies are still in COVID lockdown?

    • @tsmlaska7761
      @tsmlaska7761 Pƙed 2 lety

      @Killin Sparker My friend, I have a homework. The Turkic empires that left deep traces in world history and the states that are the descendants of these empires today are asked. can you count a few

    • @tsmlaska7761
      @tsmlaska7761 Pƙed 2 lety

      @@SmashBrosBrawl My friend, I have a homework. The Turkic empires that left deep traces in world history and the states that are the descendants of these empires today are asked. can you count a few

    • @tsmlaska7761
      @tsmlaska7761 Pƙed 2 lety

      @@perseuswong6864 My friend, I have a homework. The Turkic empires that left deep traces in world history and the states that are the descendants of these empires today are asked. can you count a few

  • @willemvanoranje5724
    @willemvanoranje5724 Pƙed 2 lety +6

    This is the best channel on all of youtube, I love you guys. Wish more people heard about the other side of Mongolian Empire. Thanks King and Generals for always always delivering the best content.

  • @dxgdxn131
    @dxgdxn131 Pƙed 2 lety +12

    I swear, every single one of these videos when it gets about halfway through you get a "shit's going down" type of feeling like you're watching history in person and having a bunch of crazy revelations. I love it! Thank you for the awesome content you guys make 🙏

  • @4Usuality
    @4Usuality Pƙed 2 lety +9

    Trying to wake up earlier for my new job and this definitely helped me stay awake this morning, thanks for the interesting video!

  • @sampearson2102
    @sampearson2102 Pƙed 2 lety +4

    Just wanted to say your videos have inspired a new found love of history have always had a passive interest but your content has took it to a new level. The quality is fantastic after a hard days work genuinely help me unwind just wanted to say thanks. On another level to any other channel I have seen on CZcams and anywhere for that Matter.

  • @madswipe4419
    @madswipe4419 Pƙed 2 lety +53

    Historians “the mongols were religiously tolerant”
    Me “their tolerance was making skull mountains out of religious worshipers so in the end it didn’t fkin matter lol”
    The mongols may have been more open about religion but that don’t really matter when they have almost wiped out all that religions believers in the city they just conquered

    • @quanghuyvo6112
      @quanghuyvo6112 Pƙed 2 lety +13

      only if they refuse ti surrender

    • @philipampofo6435
      @philipampofo6435 Pƙed 2 lety +4

      Thats irrelevant for this specific question

    • @madswipe4419
      @madswipe4419 Pƙed 2 lety +4

      @@philipampofo6435 the point to the specific question is, they can be as tolerant as they want if there’s no one left to tolerate

    • @evelynalex8787
      @evelynalex8787 Pƙed 2 lety +3

      It did matter because that allowed those populations to rebound.

    • @heliosdromus7231
      @heliosdromus7231 Pƙed 2 lety

      When the mongols destroyed a few key Manichean towns in Central Asia it pretty much sealed it’s fate as an ancient formerly global religion.

  • @Artur_M.
    @Artur_M. Pƙed 2 lety +21

    Great video, presenting a nuanced look at a complex subject.
    It would be awesome to see you make a similar video about the religious tolerance and diversity in Poland-Lithuania; from the Statute of Kalisz, through the ideas of StanisƂaw of Skarbimierz and PaweƂ WƂodkowic (Paulus Vladimiri) presented at the Council of Constance, the Warsaw Confederation of 1573, to the relative decline of this tolerance during the Counter-Reformation, and the devastating wars and general crisis of the XVII century. Even after this it reminded above the European norm of the times.

    • @joujou264
      @joujou264 Pƙed 2 lety

      I haven't looked into the PLCs tolerance, but wasn't it essentially exclusive to Jews and, to an extent, orthodox Christians? As in, a Muslim isn't gonna have that much of a different experience there than in, say, Austria?

    • @Artur_M.
      @Artur_M. Pƙed 2 lety

      @@joujou264 Unless there was a relatively small but well-established Muslim community in Austria, then yes, it was different. Because there absolutely was such community in the PLC - the Lipka Tatars. Many of them were actually nobles (although if I remember correctly, they couldn't fully enjoy their political rights, like holding offices, without converting first). The oldest Mosque in Poland is a small wooden one in the village of Kruszyniany (one of two of its kind within modern Polish borders, more can be found in Lithuania and Belarus), which was granted in 1679 to Samuel Mirza Krzeczowski by none other than Jan III Sobieski.
      Fun fact: the oldest Mosque in New York City, the Powers Street Mosque, was also founded by Lipka Tatar immigrants.

    • @danieledelstein9129
      @danieledelstein9129 Pƙed 2 lety +1

      @@Artur_M. As a Jew (albeit with roots in Hungary-Romania and not Poland), I've always wondered what the deal was with Poland and Jews. Although there's the stereotypical image of Poland having been a bastion of antisemitism, it doesn't escape me that prior to WW2, Poland had the most Jews in the world -- at its height 3 million, or 10% (!) of the Polish population. I believe the Polish monarch also invited Jews to resettle there from further west where they were experidncing harsh perseciftion. And I recall reading Poland had enshrined religious protections and such for much of its history. Would love to learn more, not really an area I've looked much into.

    • @Artur_M.
      @Artur_M. Pƙed 2 lety

      @@danieledelstein9129 Are you familiar with youtuber Sam Aronow, who covers Jewish history? I think he covered this particular topic quite well, thus far until the middle of the 19th century.
      It's worth to watch all his videos chronologically but for this specific topic you can instead watch the 'Eastern Europe' Playlist, starting with the second video 'Casimir's Gift' (so 6 videos as for now).
      I also recommend checking the website of the Polin Museum in Warsaw, with links to their CZcams channel and many other projects.

  • @kathywolf4558
    @kathywolf4558 Pƙed 2 lety +10

    It is called Tengri and is practiced in some places in Mongolia currently.

    • @Neverdyingpride
      @Neverdyingpride Pƙed 2 lety +2

      some paces? no no you just don't know how deep is the shaman roots for mongols

    • @kathywolf4558
      @kathywolf4558 Pƙed 2 lety +2

      ​@@Neverdyingpride I am Native American (Athabaskan). Yes, I understand, but I was talking to people who do not know and most do not understand. ĐžĐ»ĐŸĐœ Ń…ÒŻĐŒÒŻÒŻŃ Đ±ĐžĐŽĐœĐžĐč ĐžŃ‚ĐłŃĐ» ÒŻĐœŃĐŒŃˆĐ»ĐžĐčĐœ Ń‚ĐŸĐłŃ‚ĐŸĐ»Ń†ĐŸĐŸĐœŃ‹ талаар ÒŻĐ» Ń…ÒŻĐœĐŽŃŃ‚ĐłŃŃŃĐœ ÒŻĐł Ń…ŃĐ»ĐŽŃĐł. Бо ĐŒĐŸĐœĐłĐŸĐ» Ń…ŃĐ» сурч баĐčĐœĐ°. ĐœĐžĐœĐžĐč Ó©ĐłÒŻÒŻĐ»Đ±ŃŃ€ Đ·Ó©ĐČ Đ±Đ°ĐčĐœĐ° ĐłŃĐ¶ ĐœĐ°ĐčЎаж баĐčĐœĐ°.

    • @robloxianhistorian
      @robloxianhistorian Pƙed 8 měsĂ­ci

      @@kathywolf4558 mongol heliig mash sain sursan baina, jinhene mongol hun shig bichij baina

  • @nenenindonu
    @nenenindonu Pƙed 2 lety +68

    Genghis Khan destroyed the buddhist/nestorian Qara Khitai state after one of its religiously oppressed populations, the muslim Karluks and Uyghurs asked him for help but that was most likely the final straw for the eventual conquest since Genghis already despised the Khitan ruler Kuchlug and was bound to expand his realm westwards

  • @hasnainshah4520
    @hasnainshah4520 Pƙed 2 lety +1

    Your videos are awsummm and very knowledgeable Thank you Kings and Generals . My favourite youtube channel

  • @Nabil-js5xu
    @Nabil-js5xu Pƙed 2 lety +3

    Incredible videos as always.Kings and generals is my favourite you tube channel.

  • @metaconwar4601
    @metaconwar4601 Pƙed 2 lety +14

    I love the Kings and Generals series of videos on the Mongols, this video rocks!

  • @sasinator6918
    @sasinator6918 Pƙed 2 lety +72

    Me: *Having a bad day
    Kings and generals: *posts mongol video
    Me: *having a good day

  • @uryen921
    @uryen921 Pƙed 2 lety +11

    The Achaemenid Persian Empire is famous for their religious and cultural tolerance, much early than the mongols.

  • @denniscleary7580
    @denniscleary7580 Pƙed 2 lety

    Another great video Kings 👍

  • @orgilgankhuyag5222
    @orgilgankhuyag5222 Pƙed 2 lety +8

    We Mongols were/ are very practial with religions. Even today when people face some diffuculties in their lives they would go to christian church in the morning and pray to Jesus, and go to buddhist temple in the afternoon and would do anything the lamas would suggest. And in the evening, we would visit shaman’s ger and ask solitions for their problems. This is how we see religions, if we believe your religion could help us we would embrace it. But if not, it’s useless.

  • @julia8222
    @julia8222 Pƙed 2 lety +3

    Amazing information and art! Would love to see a video on Chinggis Qan's sons, their relationships, rivalries et al.

  • @johnhenry4844
    @johnhenry4844 Pƙed 2 lety +47

    We’re the Mongols religiously tolerant? =
    Yes but actually no

  • @Ismail-Ibrahim841
    @Ismail-Ibrahim841 Pƙed 2 lety +1

    K and G further answering questions I had no idea existed.

  • @miketacos9034
    @miketacos9034 Pƙed 2 lety

    YYYEEESSS just in time to show in class!

  • @Darknimbus3
    @Darknimbus3 Pƙed 2 lety +15

    From what I heard, the main reason for Mongolian religious tolerance was simply because they had their own religion, which they believe only they were worthy of. So they let everyone else do their own thing religiously, and they didn’t try to endow their own beliefs on everyone else.

  • @ArakeenArchivist
    @ArakeenArchivist Pƙed 2 lety +34

    I like how Whig historians in the mold of Gibbon are seemingly ok with the oppression of religious minorities as long as its done for political reasons.

    • @MohamedRamadan-qi4hl
      @MohamedRamadan-qi4hl Pƙed 2 lety +12

      It is enlightenment hypocrisy

    • @tsmlaska7761
      @tsmlaska7761 Pƙed 2 lety

      @Lucas De AraĂșjo Marques My friend, I have a homework. The Turkic empires that left deep traces in world history and the states that are the descendants of these empires today are asked. can you count a few

  • @robbabcock_
    @robbabcock_ Pƙed 2 lety

    Great video!

  • @shirkuh7125
    @shirkuh7125 Pƙed 2 lety

    Awesome episode

  • @pawefiedorowicz6789
    @pawefiedorowicz6789 Pƙed 2 lety

    Please never stop making these videos :)

  • @augustuscaesar8287
    @augustuscaesar8287 Pƙed 2 lety +70

    "Some go so far as to present the Mongols as the inspiration for modern, liberal, religious toleration"
    *Laughs in Cyrus the Great*

    • @shreyanodoyto5975
      @shreyanodoyto5975 Pƙed 2 lety +4

      Me who knows that Cyrus actually favored the monotheists over the polytheists

    • @myhonestreaction6217
      @myhonestreaction6217 Pƙed rokem +2

      @@shreyanodoyto5975because he is a monotheist himself

  • @loupiscanis9449
    @loupiscanis9449 Pƙed 2 lety

    Thank you , K&G .

  • @adenmelton8264
    @adenmelton8264 Pƙed 2 lety +6

    Could u please do a video on the Tibetan empire they are rarely talked about

  • @michaeluzoho5838
    @michaeluzoho5838 Pƙed 2 lety +6

    To be honest, I love learning about the Mongols, and also Norse Mythology and history.

  • @nathanielvashaw2328
    @nathanielvashaw2328 Pƙed 2 lety +18

    Can you guys at some point do videos on topics like Ancient Egypt, Ottoman Janissairies, Persian Immortals, Phoenicia and Carthage? Just throwing ideas outthere.

    • @josephmak7473
      @josephmak7473 Pƙed 2 lety

      They have already made video about the persian immortals.

    • @nathanielvashaw2328
      @nathanielvashaw2328 Pƙed 2 lety

      @@josephmak7473 Are you sure? Because I looked and I can only find the one from the Invicta channel, which I've already seen. If you can send a link, that would be awesome.

  • @stacey_1111rh
    @stacey_1111rh Pƙed rokem

    Great stuff

  • @user-jb2ld8ev7v
    @user-jb2ld8ev7v Pƙed 2 lety +30

    Can you make a video about Manchurian and Nurhachi too? The story of how the Qing Dynasty was created

  • @jimr9499
    @jimr9499 Pƙed 2 lety +9

    I really wish the Netflix series Marco Polo got more seasons...such a good show. The animation for Ghengis in this video looks just like the actor that played Kublai on the show.

    • @Reddit_shorts_525
      @Reddit_shorts_525 Pƙed 2 lety

      Agreed

    • @barbarajoseph-adam8337
      @barbarajoseph-adam8337 Pƙed 2 lety

      Every minute of that was perfect.

    • @Gameflyer001
      @Gameflyer001 Pƙed 2 lety

      Does look a lot like Benedict Wong (aka Wong in the MCU films). I did find the second season pretty slow, which is likely why it was dropped.

    • @mehmedtheconqueror7132
      @mehmedtheconqueror7132 Pƙed 2 lety

      every minute of it is just nudes. the first time i watched it with my family and all of a sudden theres people having sex. bro that show sucks

    • @manofsesame3024
      @manofsesame3024 Pƙed rokem

      Benedict Wong. Who played Wong in Dr. Strange

  • @chedabu
    @chedabu Pƙed 2 lety

    Awesome!

  • @marloyorkrodriguez9975
    @marloyorkrodriguez9975 Pƙed 2 lety +6

    As that famous quote said ‘I am the most pious of all, when men hear the neighing and hooves of my horses, they pray’

    • @tigerchillyable
      @tigerchillyable Pƙed 2 lety +1

      Thats deep

    • @marloyorkrodriguez9975
      @marloyorkrodriguez9975 Pƙed 2 lety

      Imran Ali actually took it from a song of ice and fire quote from Euron Greyjoy (not the TV comedy Euron) it’s a good quote.

  • @raphaellagnado2082
    @raphaellagnado2082 Pƙed 2 lety

    I have not watched this episode yet. I have, however, already liked it, and know for a fact this like is earned.

  • @altinmares8363
    @altinmares8363 Pƙed 2 lety +17

    Kings and Generals please post more videos about
    -Aristotle teaching Alexander The Great
    -Tengrism
    -Golden age of Jewish culture in Spain

  • @ajsw-rt4yt
    @ajsw-rt4yt Pƙed 2 lety

    Nice đŸ‘đŸŒ

  • @m.m.z.5858
    @m.m.z.5858 Pƙed 2 lety

    history is fascinating

  • @CivilWarWeekByWeek
    @CivilWarWeekByWeek Pƙed 2 lety +3

    Thank you world history teacher I already know the answer to a video I'm going to watch anyways

  • @nicholasbarber3644
    @nicholasbarber3644 Pƙed 2 lety +2

    can you do the next video about what happen to inca after the spanish colonized

  • @watchenthusiasts6056
    @watchenthusiasts6056 Pƙed 2 lety

    I like watching your videos very much, please have Turkish subtitle option

  • @dippyfish
    @dippyfish Pƙed 2 lety

    Thank you.

  • @Dsonsee
    @Dsonsee Pƙed 2 lety +3

    The mongol empire was super interesting with its cultural mix being not impeding its continuation

  • @pakshirajan8585
    @pakshirajan8585 Pƙed 2 lety

    Please make a video on Rashtrakuta dynasty of Manyaketha (c. 735-982 CE)

  • @ahmedehab121
    @ahmedehab121 Pƙed 2 lety

    Can you make a video about battle of marj al-saffar???

  • @Otaaaz
    @Otaaaz Pƙed 2 lety

    Id love a video on campaigns of nader shah

  • @marcomartinez1843
    @marcomartinez1843 Pƙed 2 lety +3

    Thank you for mentioning Manich(a)eism in your video, but it would be interesting if you made a video dedicated to this neglected faith.

  • @michalisathanasoglou5650
    @michalisathanasoglou5650 Pƙed 2 lety

    Not really connected to the Mongol Empire, but what's the awesome soundtrack playing in the mech arena ad 0:42 - 1:57 ? Anyone know?

  • @biffyqueen
    @biffyqueen Pƙed 2 lety +6

    *Stares in Achaemenid Persia

  • @CJC90909
    @CJC90909 Pƙed 2 lety +7

    So basically, the Mongols followed the Realpolitik school in terms of most things, religion included.
    Interestingly, a descendant (arguably) of the Mongols who was born a Muslim caused more damage to the Islamic world than any Mongol since Hulegu, not a century from the end of Mongol rule. Who by the way I’d like to see a few more videos on ;)

  • @andrewlucero3631
    @andrewlucero3631 Pƙed 2 lety +3

    Are you ever going to make a video on how the Mongols became Buddhist in the Tibetan fashion, or how the Kalmyks got to Europe.

  • @nicholasbarber3644
    @nicholasbarber3644 Pƙed 2 lety +1

    can you do a video about qin shi huang and his conquest of china

  • @muhammadabdar-rahman9957
    @muhammadabdar-rahman9957 Pƙed 2 lety

    Does anyone know the name of the music in the beginning of this video?

  • @brendawilliams8062
    @brendawilliams8062 Pƙed 2 lety

    Thx.

  • @parttimegodxx
    @parttimegodxx Pƙed 2 lety

    Nice

  • @jonnyn8928
    @jonnyn8928 Pƙed měsĂ­cem +1

    Interestingly enough, the Mongol empire had more diversity than any other group at the time. Both the Ket people, who are descendants of the Diné from the American Southwest, and Italian explorers from Venice, were present among the ranks of the Mongols. There's nothing else like it.

  • @mattmckane9454
    @mattmckane9454 Pƙed 2 lety +8

    I skipped school to watch this.. I'm actually learning something now.

  • @alexanderren1097
    @alexanderren1097 Pƙed 2 lety +6

    Is religious tolerance among Mongol overlords really that different from any other successful empire builders? Cyrus, Darius, and the other early Persian emperors were doing this over a millennium before Genghis Khan was born

    • @andrewsuryali8540
      @andrewsuryali8540 Pƙed 2 lety +2

      Cyrus persecuted early Zoroastrians and suppressed some local belief systems that deviated from what he considered "normal" religion. This image of Cyrus' religious toleration comes from an anachronistic understanding of Judaism. During Cyrus' lifetime, Jews were not yet the strict monotheists they would become in the Second Temple period. They were strict monolatrists, but their religious practices were very similar to those of other Mesopotamian (and Fertile Crescent) civilizations and crucially, basically indistinguishable from Cyrus' own practices. Cyrus returned the gods of the Babylonians' subjects precisely because he shared their conception of how the worship of gods and idols worked. In modern terms, he was basically an adherent of the same "religion" followed by all those conquered peoples.
      Darius the Great did the exact opposite. He was raised in a Zoroastrian community and therefore was somewhat hostile to polytheists, especially the fire worshippers of Persia that Zarathustra ranted against. In his lifetime Darius heavily promoted his family's faith and suppressed the original deva worship of the Indo-Aryan peoples living under his rule. The Scythians in particular resisted this persecution at every turn. After the rise of the second Achaemenid lineage Scythians came up with ways to deface or desecrate imagery of Ahura Mazda. For example, they would repurpose Mazda pendants into spurs because they knew that the Zoroastrians saw the earth as impure. The Jews seem to have suffered some level of persecution or difficulty during Darius' lifetime, and we can see this from the gap in the Bible between Ezra-Nehemiah and the rest of the historical writings. Similarly, the construction of the Second temple seemed to have slowed down significantly in this time period and Zerubbabel's fate is unknown (although it's also possible Cambyses had deposed him earlier).

    • @riseALK
      @riseALK Pƙed 2 lety +1

      Yes I wondered this too, religious tolerance for the sake of pragmatic political control is not exclusive to the Mongols. Even totally religious states like the Caliphates had to enact secular laws when conquering very distinct religious populations like Armenia or Syria.

    • @alexanderren1097
      @alexanderren1097 Pƙed 2 lety +1

      @@andrewsuryali8540 Interesting. I wasn't familiar with all those specifics. So the Persians were equally "tolerant" of religions as the Mongols.
      By "tolerant" I mean they gave concessions to some, ignored others, and persecuted/exterminated still others all based on various personal and/or pragmatic reasons.
      So my original point still stands: the Mongols treatment of religions was NOT significantly different from what every other major empire had already done before

  • @ladybirdlee3058
    @ladybirdlee3058 Pƙed 2 lety +4

    can you do a video about the christianity of the asian steppes? I read they had some unique religious beliefs and practices.

  • @Jarod-te2bi
    @Jarod-te2bi Pƙed 2 lety +2

    Can you make a video that talks about the worst defeats of the mongols?

  • @kaanbasol
    @kaanbasol Pƙed 2 lety +2

    average k&g fan : watches the video
    OG k&g fan : listens to the podcasts

  • @ciripa
    @ciripa Pƙed 2 lety

    just love the soundtrack for the mongols!!

  • @theawesomeman9821
    @theawesomeman9821 Pƙed 2 lety +5

    I used to always find it strange that historical sources would often state that both the Jews and Christians often aligned their support for the pagan Mongols, during the reign of Genghis and Kublai Kahn. After all, the Mongols killed scores of devout religious groups like the Buddhists, Daoist, Muslims, and Zorastorianism as well as destroyed their holy sites. I expected that Christians would suffer like the other religious groups only to find out further in my research that the Mongols granted religious freedom to Christians and Jews who often lived horribly under the other mentioned groups and actually protected and enforced Christian and Jewish rights.

    • @f1aziz
      @f1aziz Pƙed 2 lety +1

      Even though Islam eventually won Mongols conquerors of the Muslim world, Mongol devastation and destruction of Baghdad is etched in Muslim conscious like Holocaust for the Jews. I don't think we will ever forget it.

    • @theawesomeman9821
      @theawesomeman9821 Pƙed 2 lety

      @@f1aziz sorry to hear that

    • @f1aziz
      @f1aziz Pƙed 2 lety

      @@theawesomeman9821 thank you.

    • @theawesomeman9821
      @theawesomeman9821 Pƙed 2 lety

      @@f1aziz welcome

    • @Brandonhayhew
      @Brandonhayhew Pƙed rokem

      Modern day Mongolia is Buddhist? How did they end up like that?

  • @wertin200
    @wertin200 Pƙed 2 lety

    Is this video a re upload?

  • @lt419
    @lt419 Pƙed 2 lety +2

    There were so many female warriors in Mongolia, who were taking care of the homeland while the Khans were away fighting. Please tell their stories in your next videos. Thanks.

  • @tokobantso3987
    @tokobantso3987 Pƙed 2 lety

    Can you make a video about Georgian History?

  • @dunnowy123
    @dunnowy123 Pƙed 2 lety +1

    This is so fascinating. Mongols were shamanistic nomads who became mostly Buddhist after ruling China, mostly Muslim after ruling Central Asia and yeah, they viewed Christianity and Daoism as aite too. Wild.

  • @Someone-ct2ck
    @Someone-ct2ck Pƙed 2 lety +4

    Talk about the Vikings and the Muslims encounter.

  • @sagebias2251
    @sagebias2251 Pƙed 2 lety

    This would be a great feature in Medieval 3 Total War.

  • @avivlamech-kalambi519
    @avivlamech-kalambi519 Pƙed 2 lety +1

    Can you answer the same question, but for other dynasties?

  • @hirofumi3123
    @hirofumi3123 Pƙed 2 lety

    The mech starter pack doesn't work sir

  • @Neversa
    @Neversa Pƙed 2 lety +5

    Kerey and Naiman tribes of Kazakhs, descendants of those mentioned here, are furious if you tell them their ancestors were Christian lol

    • @heliosdromus7231
      @heliosdromus7231 Pƙed 2 lety +1

      @@aventidblechchlatechipfrap7465
      I can’t argue with that statement lol.
      Ancient Nestorians, eastern missionaries and eastern Christians used to be based af.

  • @chrisgabele75
    @chrisgabele75 Pƙed 2 lety +5

    Modern World: Wow, the Mongolians were so tolerant of Religion!
    Cyrus the Great: Am I joke to you?

    • @chengkuoklee5734
      @chengkuoklee5734 Pƙed 2 lety +2

      Not to mention King Ashoka and Sultan Saladin.

    • @cegesh1459
      @cegesh1459 Pƙed 2 lety +2

      @@chengkuoklee5734 Ashoka and Saladin don't really fit 100%

    • @loveandmercy9664
      @loveandmercy9664 Pƙed 2 lety +1

      Shia's and Copts don't really see Saladin as a great symbol of toleration.

    • @GreaterAfghanistanMovement
      @GreaterAfghanistanMovement Pƙed 2 lety +1

      @@chengkuoklee5734 Ashoka tried to force Buddhism on Indians, not really tolerant.

  • @HebrewHakaishin
    @HebrewHakaishin Pƙed 2 lety +1

    Any Mongolians on here, I must ask how can I learn to throat sing, any suggestions will he helpful, Thank you.

  • @RCSVirginia
    @RCSVirginia Pƙed 2 lety +5

    Despite a tad-too-much Islamophilia, the Great Courses lecture on "Turning Points in Middle Eastern History" is quite good. Professor Eamonn Gearon has a great comment on Hulagu Khan's sparing of the Nestorian Christians during the massacre at Baghdad. Both Hulagu's mother, Khatun Sorghaghtani Beki, and his favourite wife were Nestorian Christians, and Gearon wryly remarks, "At the end of the day, we all have to go home."

  • @Abu-Hurairaa
    @Abu-Hurairaa Pƙed 2 lety

    How you make animation

  • @deadgoon2170
    @deadgoon2170 Pƙed 2 lety

    I like how the Khan is the proverbial middle finger in your graphic....

  • @AbsolXGuardian
    @AbsolXGuardian Pƙed 2 lety +11

    Eh, given how even Muslims would order an extra tax on Jews (I'm assuming that this 'tax exempt' status means exemption from the taxes levied on civilian institutions), being completely ignored is the best deal Jews could get in the medival era. It probably also made it so more often than not they didn't even get punished for practicing kosher slaughter (very similar to halal slaughter) and circumcision when Muslims were. Being ignored completely is sometimes the best you can get.

    • @Omer1996E.C
      @Omer1996E.C Pƙed 2 lety +8

      Actually, it is not additional tax, muslims had zakat and non Muslims had jizya.

    • @zakariaalami1491
      @zakariaalami1491 Pƙed 2 lety +1

      @@Omer1996E.C i dont know how this is not comprehended by all and they say that we hit non muslim by jizya while we ourselves pay zakat

  • @gracef.8145
    @gracef.8145 Pƙed 2 lety +1

    short answer is maybe

  • @mclarencalacday396
    @mclarencalacday396 Pƙed 2 lety +1

    Did i miss sonething it said it was uploaded a few seconds ago but it has comments over 15 hours ago, what?

    • @silent_stalker3687
      @silent_stalker3687 Pƙed 2 lety +1

      The video was uploaded unlisted and people commented, or maybe it’s a patreon thing

    • @valak-thescaryabess1504
      @valak-thescaryabess1504 Pƙed 2 lety

      Patreon supporters and members have the privilege for early access for these videos. Those comment are made by such members.

  • @elferdinando2163
    @elferdinando2163 Pƙed rokem

    12:48

  • @danield831
    @danield831 Pƙed 2 lety +3

    As the Mongolian empire became more fragmented and ultimate disintegrated, the overwhelming majority of Mongolians in the diaspora converted to Islam. With the exception of the capitol Uulan Bator and the surrounding Steppe's which to this day remains animist and predominantly Buddhist (the modern day country of Mongolia). Interestingly, to this day Mongolian faces can be seen in countries of Central Asia including Iran and Afghanistan. They are the descendants of the Mongolian diaspora who have converted to Islam. There is also an ethnic group within Russia who are descended from the Mongols known as the Kalmyk's. They too are Buddhist.

    • @matthiasthulman4058
      @matthiasthulman4058 Pƙed 2 lety +1

      You seem pretty knowledgeable about this, maybe you'll know this answer.
      Who were the Kushons?
      I think they were either descendants or ancestors of what would be Mongols, but I don't know

    • @danield831
      @danield831 Pƙed 2 lety +1

      @@matthiasthulman4058
      The Kushans were most probably one of five branches of the Yuezhi confederation Indo-European nomadic people of possible Tocharian origin, from Northern China ( Possibly Mongolian but impossible to know for sure) but like with most ethnic groups they were not homogenous and were a mix of Indian, Persian, and Greeks ethnically. If you remember the Buddha's of Bamiyan which were tragically destroyed by the Taliban. These were of Kushan origin. Truly a fascinating and inventive empire they were an amalgamation of Greco-Indo and Persian cultures. I would encourage you to do more research on the Kushan Empire. It's very interesting.
      Cheers!!

    • @matthiasthulman4058
      @matthiasthulman4058 Pƙed 2 lety +2

      @@danield831 Thank you very much for the reply. I will definitely do more research