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If you enjoy war thunder or Microsoft flight simulator 2020, consider getting yourself into Digital Combat Simulator by Eagle Dynamics, the Combat side of Aviation with the BVR and Dogfights really provides a different and interesting perspective on aviation. You can fly all kinds of combat aircraft including the F-16, F-15, F-14, JF-17, Su-27, Mig-29, Mirage and the F-18 Hornet along with many other aircraft and helicopters like the Ka-50 and Mi-8.
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As Always keep in mind this is a mod and therefore doesn't represent the True capabilities of the Eurofighter but until Heatblur and Truegrit Drop their official DCS module for the Eurofighter this is the best we got, thank you for watching and much love see you in the next one.
Love the vid
a match of jf 17 thunder and tejas mk 1, please make video
Oh yeah, not even done watching yet but that slowmo replay told the tale. Your missile came off the rail stupid & just flew a straight course to, like, I dunno, Alpha Centauri?()?
but Longshot just HAPPENED to fly right into it! Holy shit, that was the ultimate kinetic kill. 💥🤛😅
RIGHT IM GOING TO PAINT 🎨............What's gong on in my head IS My TWO BUDDIES G.SideWinder And Longshot are going FCUKINGGGGGGG HEAD TO HEAD ..... WITH 2 OF THE BEST 4'TH GEN FIGHTERS ON THE PLANET!!
The Typhoon ...... And Yes the FA-18 was built in the 1970's ...BUT NOT this one
THIS is A SUPER HORNET.... ( Upgraded and rolled out only 20 years ago ) SOO What im TRYING to say im JUST SO EXCITED..... As the 2000 Eurofighter
( TYPHOON ) Protects me.. like you live in the states its the F-22 NOW we have F 35 B's.... but the main fighter is the Typhoon and for the Navy its the Super Hornet
ONE of my Fav Fighters ever ... i am 0:25'seconds in , now i know who is flying what, Longshot the typhoon ( side Note i asked him yesterday to pls do a typhoon for me and he was so nice but knew this was coming and we had a good laugh longshot is a cool dude man )
Right i cant wait any more THANK YOU SO SO SO MUCH....COME ON TYPHOON
growling typhoon vs su-35 like cmon duude
I wonder if we could possibly have a Mig vs Sukhoi matchup, just to see which is superior relative to the time they were built
What’s the difference between the 2
He made a video Su 27 vs Mig 29
@@matiassam2507 oh! Didn't seem to find that, thanks!
Honestly the pilot usually makes more of a difference than the plane
It happened in real life in africa. SU-27 annihilated mig-29 5-0. I think it was Ethiopia vs Eritrea
Anytime Growing Sidewinder posts a video: automatically liked, appreciated and thoroughly enjoyed.
you the man buddy thank you
this is the truth
Who else is vibing off the music during the replay cuts? Chills like when John Wick is drilling holes in all the bad guys at the Red Circle Club in the first movie. Nicely done whomever is producing the vids for Growling.
lolol thanks buddy, I appreciate that a lot, also, I'm making the videos lol, I fly, I record, I edit, I choose the music. There is no one editing my videos for me.
@@GrowlingSidewinder Nice to hear. Your production values are very good, if not excellent. Your cutting down on Tac View except for when it is a necessary lesson that needs highlighting has really streamlined your watch-ability over the entire vid. That and your cheeky takes on titles like the "Two Idiots" series.
My better half is a gorgeous blonde that stopped to watch one day because of your exploits with Longshot while learning to fly helicopters in DCS. The genuine laughter between the both of you had her hooked and now when she hears your or Longshots voice being streamed through the media room or other televisions here, she smiles and says, "Good find. What is Growling up to this time?" She's even learned the lingo and counts whether you go left or right after slinging AMRAAMs and then into a descending offset. "He's left handed, most of the time that is his offset." I argue that you are right eye dominant and that is why.
amazing, always super cool to hear these stories, I'm serious when I say thank you for sharing these are the kinds of comments that anyone would love to read, be sure to thank her as well on my behalf sounds like you got yourself a special lady there.
@@privatelisting366 Wow thats a great comment! as GS said, thank her for me as well, You made my day buddy! thats exactly what i was hoping for you guys that watch my videos. You two are awesome, Cheers!
@@GrowlingSidewinder Made her day too! Me : "Growling AND Longshot responded to our post about you loving the dynamic between them when they fly DCS." Her : "No! Really?" (Big smile on her face as she read your words) "Those guys are so funny! So smart and talented and brave enough to do the Two Idiots thing to make me laugh. I can't believe they responded!" She danced off to the den to look at your merch stores after that. Thanks guys for making her feel special for being a fan! Edit : She just bought herself a "Russian To Get You" T shirt size small in tahiti blue (she said it matches the interior on their (russian) jet cockpits. "The girl looks like me too!" Yup it does. ;P
never realised the damage modeling was so precise. The explosions always looked canned to me, but this level of detail is amazing. Flaps, pieces of stabilisers...that's great stuff.
There is an written interview on the web somewhere with a USMC exchange pilot with the RAF who flew Typhoon (and who was an F18 instructor previously) advising that in a dogfight the F18 has an initial chance due to its high alpha (as shown in this video) but after that if you wanted to see the Typhoon all you had to do was look behind you. This suggests to me that the Typhoon has been handicapped a bit in the DCS modelling as turning performance appeared very similar in the video (as opposed to real life performance suggested by the article).
Frisian flag 2012 exercises in Holland, Finnish F-18Cs gets 100 kills and 6 loses against Eurofighter (Germany, UK), Polish new F-16 and older F-16 planes (Norway, Belgium) and Gripen.
The kill ratio is about 16:1 in favor of Finland's F-18C. Finland's F-18C variant has beyond 45 degrees AoA that is higher than USN/USMC's F/A-18C's 45 degrees AoA.
Swiss F-18C has up to 9G with beyond 45 degrees AoA.
@@valenrn8657 That seems completely implausible. Please forward a link as evidence.
@@valenrn8657the new AOA of Eurofighter with the new aerodinamic kit is 35°
@@trazador22It's a minor update and doesn't solve the non-functional vertical stabilizer during high AOA.
I heard that Switzerland is waiting for you to compare the F-35, Rafale, Typhoon and Super Hornet before they make a decision on which jet to puchase ;)
It is already decided in favor of the F-35. But a popular referendum could potentially overturn this.
@@FredericPitteloud why should a popular vote decide which aircraft to buy. how much of the population knows enough to decide properly
@@mikeshi2941 exactly lol
@@mikeshi2941 we can vote on all subjects in my country, nothing is taboo. Including fighter jets. Best way to keep our politicians in check.
@@FredericPitteloud thats a good point. what will happen if the public is not interested, informed, and capable of choosing the best option?
Longshot didnt wanna get bullied so he got the eurofighter and then growing sidewinder gets an hornet to bullie him again.
...so Longshot waited the HF Eurofighter Module with IRIS-T and splashed GS 1 sec after merge.
@@davidsmith8997 Yeah there are multiple Typhoon pilot that i've heard manage to stand a chance against the Raptor on WVR/BFM
@@davidsmith8997 ... which means no Raptor pilot would enter a rate-fight with a EuroFighter. They'd stay 1-Circle and do as they please, and even HOBS Fox-2s won't help the EF then. What makes the Raptor so dominant is it doesn't have any weaknesses. It has a lower IR sig, a lower RCS, a higher turn-rate, and can get nose on much quicker in a 1-Circle.
EF was a jobs program for European aerospace engineers, just like the SEPCAT/Jaguar, and the Tornado. The best Tornado is the Viper. Seriously. Look at the design goals of the Tornado and look at the performance of the Viper & Sufa. Designing by committee just takes too long and therefore, costs too much.
@@roijoi6963 ...which means absolutely nothing in relation to dcs... because he was talking about the HORNET. Why do raptor fanboys have to defend their plane so aggressively? The raptor was built to be a dogfighter, and with thrust vectoring it can do the fancy airshow moves the su 35 can (that f15 pilots say are useless... guess they've never flown with thrust vectoring in a dogfight, or been against a raptor).
The fact that the eurofighter can keep up with a f22 in a dogfight says a TON about the eurofighter. Its also the only fighter known to do so. BVR doesnt matter at fucking all here. Not to mention the irst can easily track stealth aircraft, which was also proven by F14D tests where it got a lock on a raptor from quite far away using its irst, according to navy tests ;)
@@jonnyj. you sound like the really salty one here lol
Quick story about why this is the coolest plane I ever worked with, The British Royal Air Force had a squadron out where I was working, and when they would take off they would be just off of the deck with the nose pitched slightly up like a wheelie. I asked one of the pilots why and he said "Because if I didn't I would be supersonic before I hit the end of the runway." By the way it was only a 9,000 foot runway. They are so cool, thanks for coming to my ted talk! :D
From a "close personal contact" current in the Typhoon, they "love" playing with Hornets....... The "key" point does come back to Pilot skill's and time / training on the airframe (Their words not mine)
Yeah, i would think that a typhoon kicks the hornets ass in irl.
In the end in comes down to wich pilot can use the capabilities of their machine the best.
I can believe that. Most sources seem to suggest that aerodynamically the Typhoon can do everything the F-15 and F-16 can do better than they can but the slow speed/high alpha performance of the F/A-18 is the one part of the teen-series flight envelope that Typhoon can't match.
@@Akm72 uhm... EF-2000 can carry about the same external Payload as F/A-18, 7,7t for the F/A-18 vs 7,5t for the Typhoon
@@zhufortheimpaler4041 Sorry it it wasn't clear but I was only talking about flight performance in a standard air-air configuration for Typhoon and the F-15, F-16 and F/A-18.
@@Akm72 There is an interview with a US Hornet pilot somewhere online who did an exchange with the RAF on Typhoon. He said that the only way a Hornet would win is if the Typhoon made a mistake and tried to go slow/high AOA with a Hornet. In all other engagements it wasn't even close, particularly as the Hornet is well known for losing energy at a rapid rate in any turning fight, whereas Typhoon could be accelerating and regain energy in turning fights.
Poor Longshot. My man can't catch a break. Also, the 9X is OP isn't it?
Edit: That was the 9M? Wow.
How should one utilise a jet with far superior thrust to weight ratio over the Hornett ?
I think he was using the 9M because of its characteristics being favorable for this duel. I dunno, I'm new at this stuff.
@@radfahrer875 BVM or keeping the dogfight going vertical.
Edit - In this video you see how longshot would hold his plane above their nose. Stuff like that. Using that small altitude advantage to beat their agility.
@@Ep1cSh0tz1 That's what I tought but then Longshot dropped the nose occasionally entering the "toilet bowl" that kept me wondering...
Same with the MiG-29, the MiG could climb over the Hornet anytime but I rarely see that ability employed for some reason.
@@lamalien2276 He used it bc otherwise this would have been a Sidewinder -X HOBS Fox-2 missile match, which wasn't what GS wanted to focus on.
10:08 can we take a moment to appreciate that sick drift before he rolled over?
Longshot at 11:56: "I'm tired of flying circles around that F-18. Let's turn into his HUD to give him a chance !"
Also the first engagement was very impressive from EF. Instead of merging, Longshot decided to turn in front of you, showing his 6 when he was 45° up front of you and afterwards still did like a 160° turn...
He literally threw that missile at longshot like a javelin!
I should be watching videos about putting wood flooring on a slab.
But here I am again.
nice to see you again brother lol appreciate you droppin' by.
Round 3 was awesome - raking the Eurofighter with guns was an unexpected finish.
That rudder kick into the intuitive gunshot was absolutely filthy.
@@aa-zj9hv He swept the entire airframe with his gun pass.
When the tracking system doesn't have time to lock so the rest of the missile says "fine, I'll do it myself".
I love the hornets ability to almost pirouette In mid air like that. It almost looked like a halfway flat spin.
I’ve seen the AIM-9M in the Tomcat act that way once. It was 1500ish feet off the rail against a hornet which was closing on me (DCS). The missile probably had less than 1000ft to arm.
Rocket leaves hornet… “that thing came off like a rocket” - Growling Sidewinder
@Fire_ESP missles are rocket propelled lmao, they’re rockets my guy
@Fire_ESP A missile is literally a guided rocket...
@Fire_ESP No a helicopter is a helicopter and it does not just move vertically. A missile uses a rocket propulsion system along with fins and a guidence system therefore known as a missile, as for the me163, that was a rocket plane. A rocket is a method of propulsion in the same way a jet engine is a method of propulsion, eventhough missile is called a missile it still is and works as a ROCKET.
@Fire_ESP lmao yes dude 😂 look up the the second verb example in the definition of “rocket” it’s in the Oxford dictionary dude.
@Fire_ESP what are you talking about my guy? Rockets must carry their own oxygen with them for combustion, planes use an engine… you’re cracking me up here
I suspect another 2-6 months before the Heatblur Eurofighter. As to how the fight will go against the HB Typhoon - especially if it comes with the IRIS-T, ASRAAM, and Meteor missiles - the trick will be force the Typhoon to overdo his AoA in the initial merge or one of his turns and it will make him quickly bleed speed to the point the Hornet MIGHT have a chance.
I think it will come out like the viggen, one year after the trailer
That is when the fun will begin, mate. hehe~
Idk man, even then the typhoon has the power to regain energy really well
The Eurofighter has so much power that it regains speed very fast.
Eurofighter should have the advantage in energy retention. The higher you go the bigger the advantage should be especially at higher speeds.
Longshot: I'm fine the WEZ is jammed...
GS: Cough*
swear longshot says that the most before getting yanked out the sky
The legacy Hornet, though retired, still very relevant if it has to be. Amazing rudder authority over the top there.
Retired by the USA maybe. Here in Australia, the Super Hornet is still king of our skies and seas. I think the Canadians have similar separation anxiety with the F/A 18 and have kept it, rather than forking out for the -Dud35- err F-35 Lightning.
@@Raz.C Im not referring fo the Boeing F/A-18 Super Hornet. McDonnell Douglas built the F/A-18 Hornet (Legacy Hornet). I think The Block 3 Super Hornet will be active in US NAVY for decades longer. So yeah, 2 different aircraft, mate. Cheers
The USMC Still uses the legacy hornet. They're replacing the A/B models still left but the C/D will continue to be used for sometime.
@@Raz.C yea nah m8, legacy hornet is referred as a/b and c/d variants of the hornet, the super hornet, is the newer, bigger, more aggressive e/f variant, while the electronic warfare variant is the g, also called growler. fun fact, the super hornet, is also called rhino for carrier ops with both super and legacy hornets
@@datutturugang666
Dude, when you say "Yeah" and "Nah" in the same sentence, immediately after each other, then I don't know if you're trying to say "Yes," or if you're trying to say "No." In the interests of clarity and of 'meaning what you say,' please choose either "Yeah" OR "Nah" and go with it.
I don't understand what your comment has to do with my comment. I'm Australian, so I'm aware that Australia uses the Super Hornet. The last time I heard about Canadian military aircraft, I remember some officer or politician saying that Canada no longer wants to buy F-35s and would rather get Super Hornets to replace their legacy F-18s.
It's all there in my comment. Right next to the part where I ask people to explain things to me that I already know. No... Hang on... It turns out that I DIDN'T ask people to repeatedly explain things to me that I already know.
That intro merge is just proof that you miss 100% of the shots you don't take, no matter how futile
Glad you switched to the 9m. I was getting a bit bored seeing 9x's win the day everytime.
Incredible fight! I want to see more of the Typhoon, maybe against Rafale?
I think Rafale win
If DCS is Realistic
“Missile guidance is down!”
GS-“no worries I’ll fire them ballistically”
I like the screech the Hornet has when it fly's by.
*Shoots missile* "Man that thing came out like a rocket" Excellent obervation sir :P
Difference between rocket and missile is... ? 😉
0:53 Jam the WEZ they said, it will be fun they said...
You can really tell from His voice, how GS hates the Typhoon xD nice gun Kills.
Yeah, GS took successful snapshots. Has he been practicing his gunnery?
@@brianwright9514 the rudder kill was beautiful.
That aim-9 at the beginning was basically a dumbfire hydra missile lmao. You got real lucky with that kill.
This is kinda interesting as Finland is replacing old hornets and typhoon is one in the competition. Also my favorite :P
keep the music pumping! i love that background music that you use!
I said the same thing. John Wick fight scene vibes.
I’ll be curious how the actual module stacks up, it’ll be great fun!
In real life it would smash a Hornet to pieces
That cannon shot @6:45 was some really great shooting if I might say so myself wow nice shot
LS: It's over GS, I have the high ground...
GS: You under estimate my AoA... maybe 😆
Lol
1:45 Unlike the F-15S or F-22, you have no inherent right to spoon-feed 4th gen aircraft missiles like that in the first turn with an F-18. Well done.
Longshot was tired of getting rekt by the raptor so he got the EF2000 to... oh shit hahaha he already got 9M'd :D
Really enjoy watching. I have been following for a few months. I was in the Corps, so of course I am biased towards the 18s. We had the for CAS missions on several occasions in theatre. Would love to see more ATG missions. Finally, would love to see you in an FA-18 v Viper. Usually its the other way around. Cheers
Mostly COIN
Bruh, this Eurofighter looks so intimidating to dogfight against it, its maneurable but also manages too good its energy while sukhois become a mid air floating target when doing all these "supermaneurability" BS.
(Yes, I know this Eurofighter is a mod)
generally the EF has super good power to weight, so it regains its energy real quick
I love your videos! I am a huge fan of what you do and you make great content. The fights with Long Shot are truly spectacular. I’d love to see tackveiw debriefs with the two of your together after a fight.
That round 3 gun kill was *chef's kiss*
He was like *"Okay We're good.... We're on the ground"*
Then the Plane decide to *"DE JA VU"* and rolls over 🤣🤣
Glad CZcams recommended your channel.
Subscribed!
I read that the eurofighter was designed for a knife fight in a photobooth. I kinda like that description
0:53 LoL that laughter is so ballsy 😂🤣🤣
no amount of flares or chaff can save you from a direct impact lmao
Here's your that's why the Martin-baker ejection is mechanically actuated for the CZcams algorithm
Longshot tracked into the missile, not the other way around.
Looool accurate
@7:58 LOL!!! You killed 2 of his missiles!!! XD
That first missile shot reminds me of the “rockets” on the old Evans&Sutherland dog sim. 🤣
I've been starting to watch a lot more of your video's, quiet enjoying them, although seeing you angle/merge before cockpits pass each other gives you a little more of an advantage, not that one jet might be better than the other no matter what. But thanks for the video's its making me more and more to want to buy a Hotas setup, so I can play some DCS.
ROFL! 🤣🤣 Pure kinetic kill. Poor LS just veered head on into the missile’s flight path!!🤣🤣🤣🤣
The only thing missing was longshot screaming and cursing lol.
The end of round 4 is every attempt at me landing ever in dcs
As soon as you said Longshot in the Eurofighter, knew it was gonna be a wild west shootout. Good fights! 👍
Awesome video! Sure glad this type of fight between two of my most favorite fighters, the Hornet and the Typhoon didn't happen in person because I'd hate to see either of them destroyed! But Red On Blue at Red Flag or on DCS is a different story this is awesome! Thanks for the upload.
Damn round 4 had me on the edge of my seat. I was hoping he was gonna gun him with no hud. Then I thought he ALMOST had the landing. Damn
That whine the Hornet does when it pass by is just awesome!!!
Round 4 looked like the Euro lost its aileron which would have rendered it pretty much useless and the fact that it still won that round is a little strange
i love the F18 hornet sound from the intake while is passing by that sound reminds me of an F1 hehe :D
Duuuuude that round one “thump” was so satisfying.
Alternate title: Watch a VERY SALTY Growling Sidewinder
Incredible 5 round bout! I saw someone comment about having the Rafale and Typhoon have it out just like you did the Raptor and Felon back then, and i second the motion 😁😁
Round 4
"Another Happy Landing" - Longshot from above.
I'm pleased with the Video but dissepointed by the Eurofighter Models Performance tbh
I was talking to a member of the RAF and they told me that GB will be decommissioning the Typhoon from the AirForce and replacing them with F35’s, so the only use the Typhoons will have is in AirShows like what the Hawk-T1 for the Red Arrows
That member was drunk. RAF is going to purchasing/upgrading Typhoon to tranche 4 and the Tranche 4 will be the best 4.5 gen aircraft in the world. Easy.
It's funny how in round 1 GS plays up the Eurofighter only to disrespect it with a de facto rocket kill in one turn.
A rocket kill on a Typhoon is quite the achievement, well done!
Aaaawwwwhhhh😮😮
Waiting for Rafale vs typhoon
😏
7:11 you just massacred half the town there.
New method of attacking with missiles: A ballistic throw :D
Excellent video once again! Great effort from the Bug against a fighter newer than it....
Keep 'em coming!
That first 9m just went straight haha, dumbfire direct hit.
Those poor people on the ground during the battle 3 kill shot. Lol
It would be fun to listen to the pilots trash talk each other while dogfighting.
Could you try the f-15 vs the typhoon?
I really want to see The Gripen VS Typhoon!👍
It definitely tracked. You can se it try to turn just before proxy fusing
They are actually a lot closer in performance as I thought. America and Britain can making some serious planes.
10:13 - This needs memed. Or at least made into the video thumbnail. ;)
I like that you added in the landing without HUD
You have a lot of great content brotha.....plan on having fun creating DCS vids very soon! Appreciate all the work that goes into your vids! Cheers and Subbed ya!
Nice GEN 2 Fighter Tactics in GEN 4 capable aircraft...good job guys!
They don't call it a Murder Hornet for nothing
Love the Typhoon, best fighter imo
Unff that kick rudder roll over the top was so delicious
1:05 it might have came off like a rocket because it is, literally, a rocket
Round Three, removed his wing and installed open ventilation into all those roof tops below you... 0~o
7:00 that kill was sick
Alright! Alright, fine! GOSH!
"Your mom goes to college!" :D
Not sure if that landing looked like me playing Ace Combat, except for the exploding bit at the end, or me playing War Thunder including the exploding bit at the end, but it was certainly a landing I've made before.
“The command will be ‘eject, eject, eject.’ Three times, you got it?”
“Yes, ‘eject, eject, eject.’ Do I say roger or just do it or what?”
“You even say ‘huh,’ you'll be talking to yourself cause I'll be gone.”
~ Flight of the Intruder
Oh man, 2 of my favourite planes. Yesssss
Also, can’t wait for the official eurofighter
in 2003 Poland contracted F-16Cs and F-16Ds with USA over Eurofighter Typhoon, from EU. I would like to see BVR and dogfight of these (F-16C or F-16D) vs Eurofighter Typhoon. Which is better?
Typhoon hands down in every measure. The F-16 is one of my favourite aircraft but there isn’t a single area it achieves parity with the Typhoon.
That landing reminds me of Ace Venturas parking.
Design wise I prefer the Rafale than Typhoon, but Typhoon is a bit more intimidating head on..
Apparently the trauma from Rot Squadron's engagement on B7R is still fresh in my mind.
Would love to see longshot and you on a pvp server as each other’s wingman and playing super aggressive.
There's no way that missile had time to arm. I think you just kinda spearfished him
can't wait for the heatblur model with IRIS-T