Offworlder1 I just love this. So because you like something I also have to like it? Most people dislike what you're selling so that alone should get you off your high horse.
Offworlder1 All you have is one guy as depraved as you who is thumbing you up, big deal. Like I said, the great majority are against any form of poligamous relationship. Especially women.
Just imagine if they would put a paragon option for both of them. Maybe something like: "Ashley - as humanity we need to broaden our cooperation with other species in order to better understand each other and in turn advance humanity in galactic society and make mankind strong. You can lead the way just like Alliance soldiers always lead the way. It will require a lot of effort and courage but I am sure that you will be able to do this. Liara - as I understand you didn't have much opportunities to get to know humans as a species. This situation will help you understand us far better than years of talking and fighting together with humans. So have no fear. We. Must. Do. This. Together."
same thing happens to Femshep suggesting a threesome with Kaiden and Liara. Liara just wants to be chosen in general, even if that means a threesome and Kaiden is fuck up in the head to pass up that chance.
+wlfmanjack omg u should know kaiden is all about that dick. even if ur a girl he just wants u to put a penis on. that's why u just kill him in the first one.........OR u can just be his love then kill him in the third one
He did. He chose Liara AND Ashley, which is still choosing Liara as opposed to choosing Ashley and NOT Liara. (hint hint, she doesn't care if you also choose someone else as long as you don't not choose her).
That's why saying goodbye to Liara makes the most sense. Ash is already absent in the second game, an you can leave her on Virmire too if you don't want a romance. Liara is a writer's pet, so there's just no getting rid of her once you, even accidentally, get into it. She is literally the only crewmate who cannot die at any point (not counting low asset me3 ending)
Nah she's still like 22 in this game or something, so she's not a 'kid' by human standards. And, yes there is a 7-year age gap but hey, doesn't stop them later on.
muskatDR it's better Liara... because she wont die no matter what.... everyone else could die depending your choices and upgrades.... liara will live always.
This scene in a nutshell: Liara: Hostility is a common reaction to the unfamiliar. Ashley: YOU'RE A SMARTASS Liara: Anger is a common reaction to losing. Ashley: >:| Shepard: ...threesome? Ashley: NO!
Most guys would react to it this way in real life, regardless of whatever fantasies they jerk off to. It would virtually destroy your whole reputation on the ship and might even cost you command. And the two women would grow to hate both you and one another within hours. Not worth it. That's why all societies on Earth have always gravitated towards monogamy; even where polygamy is legal it's practically never practiced outside the narrowest of elites. You just can't build a functioning family on two women who compete with each other over the man's affection.
@yarpen26 This is just wrong. While yes, that is a likely outcome, that is a likely outcome because people are terrible at everything. The only likely reason any normal male would give this answer is that they do care for both (maybe not even in the same way) and don't want to upset either by not choosing them, even if that's a bad decision. The women, likely also being incompetent emotional humans would likely take offense instead of understanding where he was coming from and backing off and discussing reasonably. They may or may not feel a competitive aggression towards each other, but that was clearly already present, because Ashley here is a hateful scumbag in general. This rift may jeopardize authority, but probably only on a social level. It may do worse given the whole fraternizing with subordinates issue, but that's a maybe, and since Shepard is a spectre, you can basically guarantee it wouldn't be able to threaten him officially regardless of Alliance regs. Not only is he not fully under Alliance authority, but he's too valuable an asset. Most people don't reconcile conflict well, so it would likely only get worse, not better. The individuals involved being reasonable at any step along the way would completely avoid this being a problem. As for societies on Earth, no. The commoners have almost always been monogamous, but polygamy is extremely common in the elites across Human societies. There are multiple reasons for this, none of which boil down to humans being terrible and irrational. There's no fundamental reason you can't be polygamous and maintain healthy relationships. It is, however, a greater burden on the involved parties in certain ways, and can only be made work by the parties involved being both reasonable and earnest. Part of what you said gets to it: competing for the man's affection. That alone is a toxic mentality for ANY relationship, of any number of persons. You should never be competing within a relationship in any serious fashion. You should always be cooperating. You are not individuals trying to get ahead, you are a collective working together for mutual betterment. Regardless of how you feel about the arrangement, Liara seems like exactly the kind of character/person who would be able to function in a poly relationship healthily.
@@yarpen26 Okay that might be true in ME1 but by ME3 Shepard's basically a deity and the savior to everything that breathes and then some. I think he's earned a threesome or two. :V
@@yarpen26 late to the party but this isn’t necessarily true. I’ve been in relationships with two girls at once and it’s not that complicated. While we never had a threesome or anything they were really civil with each other and even became sort of friends. Ended up dumping one for the other tho when I realized I only wanted one person in my life.
It bugged me that in ME1 there was no clear distinction between "just talking to your crewmates" and flirting. In my first full triple-game playthrough I also accidentally got this scene, even though I was not intending to romance either of them (was saving myself for Tali in ME2). So in my last femshep playthrough I purposely ignored Liara most of the game and left Kaidan on Virmire... just to make sure I don't accidentally romance either of them.
Ok there's building up a relationship with everything you say basically, but there are big trigger answers that actually turn in into romance. All of you "accidentally romancing" people are just stupid
Because Ash is a racist and a bitch. Even in Mass Effect 3, she still kinda is. At least Kaidan is complex, subtle, and nice, and he really shines in Mass Effect 3
@@Xgendude14 same thing the GCN CZcams channel said... I completely agree upon that... It is fine if they make Ashley being monopolizing type... I mean... All wives in reality are like that and they don't want to share their men. But making her jealous and then racist... Now that cannot be agreed upon...
OK so I did a femshep play through with romancing Liara and not realizing it romancing Kaidan. Instead of this I saved Ashely instead of him and let that problem work itself out. Heartless yes, effective also yes
@LA Lakers Ikr? I'm currently replaying the trilogy and decided to keep him around just to try it. Soooo annoying. Funny is, without even flirting with him and after he basically told me to fuck off in ME2 and spent the first hours of ME3 shitting my integrity, he confessed his feelings for me. Dafuq? lol I facepalmed so hard.
By complete accident, I romanced Ashley in my first playthrough as MaleShep, and I did the exact same thing to resolve the issue. Since then I just avoid her and kill her automatically in all other playthroughs because I just like Kaidan in general as a person, plus Ashley is a space racist.
@@davecullins1606 not really a space racist , she's just more pro-human , she stops being a space racist after mass effect 1 because of learning they aren't so bad fighting along with them in mass effect 1. Most people dont find that out tho cause they always leave her to die. And her space racist phase is because of her family , not because she hated them herself , she explains that pretty well in the first game. And no offense to Kaidan but he doesn't have a personality at all , nor character development , he's just your daily empty soldier character , and his lore doesnt go further than his implants and biotics that he barely even mentions after the first game. Meanwhile Ash goes through character development , changes her opinion about aliens and her personality and lore go further than "I shoot people"
Romanced Ash in ME1, dumped her in ME2 (if she had been reasonable on Horizon, I probs would have stuck with her) and pursued Tali through 2 + 3. I have no regrets
spacemanandy2 Ditto, but it was pure accident in ME1. I had turned away from romance and had no romantic dialogue with Ashley in ME1, yet somehow she still tried to start the sex scene (I said nein. Don't like Ash. I even friend zoned her 10 times). So that was weird. But in my original I killed her on Virmire (SOMEBODY HAS TO) so it didn't matter then at least.
spacemanandy2 Ditto, but it was pure accident in ME1. I had turned away from romance and had no romantic dialogue with Ashley in ME1, yet somehow she still tried to start the sex scene (I said nein. Don't like Ash. I even friend zoned her 10 times). So that was weird. But in my original I killed her on Virmire (SOMEBODY HAS TO) so it didn't matter then at least.
Fulade 0306 Ha, if you seriously cinsider that how you pick the female squadmates, take a second look. In ME1 she has the wide hips and the breasts- Liara and Ashley are shapeless. ME2 she has pretty much the same shape, its just harder to see on screen since there are far less instances in which you can see someone not holding a gun, but in some instances you can look. I personally just like her personality, plus she and Garrus will fall in love with each other if you romance neither... You can even interrupt them in "the moment" in a very similar fashion to Joker cockblocking you in ME1 after you get locked on the citadel (if you romanced someone).
TheEvilQueen Actually I've heard some people say they were able to romance Liara in the first game, Miranda in the second, and then romance Liara in the third without her finding out.
+TheEvilQueen you can romance any of the 2 in me 1, have the short lived affair with jack in me2 romance tali afterwards and in me3 you just romance the one you didnt in ME 1 then you had 4 and thats tops i got
Ashley isnt even a xenophobe, she just doesn't trust aliens that much in Mass Effect 1 which is completely understandable. In Mass Effect 1 most humans don't trust aliens because the first contact war wasn't even that long ago and humans are like second class citizens still and aren't taken seriously by other species. Liara even says to you in Mass Effect 1 shes never taken humans seriously and thought they were kind of a joke. With Ashley you also have to remember her families past which will severely effect her view on aliens in Mass Effect 1 because shes had limited contact with them herself as shes mainly been stationed on human colonies like Eden Prime. Now another problem people have with Ashley is how she reacts to you returning in Mass Effect 2 which I really don't get. Do you expect her to be cool with the fact you're now with a known terrorist organisation? Do you expect her to just accept it is you after you being dead for 2 years and been rebuilt by a terrorist organisation? As far as she knows you could have been brainwashed, have a control chip in your brain, be just a clone or robot. Her reaction in Mass Effect 2 is completely understandable IMO. I honestly think people hate how shes slow to trust you again and it takes getting half way through Mass Effect 3 to gain her trust again but is her being slow to trust really a bad thing? Do you want all the characters to be like Garrus and Tali and just trust you imediently despite the fact your with a terrorist organisation and might not even be you? (Don't get me wrong here though I love Garrus and Tali
Spartan3101200 Yeah, for sure. Especially since in ME1 I took Garrus with me always, and Kaiden balanced it out with his biotic abilities. I just think overall, Kaiden is by far the better choice of who to save, unless of course someone plans on romancing Ashley.
Sorry, but I've never liked Ashley's character. No discredit or disrespect to the voice actor, she did great. I just don't like the way they wrote Ashley's character.
Don't worry, everybody hates Ashley :D I wish I chose Kaidan on Virmire, Ashley is just a finger down the throat in all the games. I romanced Liara, and she's just so much better
Ashley isn't a bad character, it's her backstory that causes her to be so confrontational. When you go through life with everyone trying to make you give up, you tend to expect every interaction to be hostile.
@@mikevignola4213 nah bro I gave her nothing but respect and trust throughout Mass Effect, and I play Renegade too, but I was always Paragon with her cos I already knew her story, yet in Mass Effect 3 she was still a narrow minded shit. And she still kept saying she didn't trust me and it was always "Shepard Cerberus this" and "Shepard Cerberus that"
I had this scene in my Liara romance playthrough, even though I never attempted a romance with Ashley (to my knowledge). Just to make sure Ash didn't ninjamance me I nuked her from orbit.
@@Spider-Man2094 Thats the exact reason i dont like the SR2's lighting, its too white and perfect, the SR1 had dimmer lighting and the conference room which was cozy.
And ME2's ship is just so fucking ginormous. I honestly avaoid checking on people solely because I don't feel like jogging halfway across the damn hull.
Shepard can convince Leviathan to change their minds or to stop a war between Quarian and Geth that lasted for centuries But he can never convince Ashley and Liara for a threesome
Did Ashley spend 2 years trying to bring Shepard back? Did Ashley join the fight against the Collectors? Did Ashley get out of the way, letting Shepard kill Udina while he tried to take over the Citadel? Loyal? Please. Ashley is just some hot-headed, loose warhead, racist, xenophobic bitch. Liara is calm, compassionate, strong, smart and dedicated. Interestingly, she's even more loyal than Ashley could ever be.
Fulade 0306 lol if u play Lair of the shadow broker & romanced liara in mass effect 1 but cheated on her she says 'u deserve to be happy' whereas Ashley gets Soo jealous if u pursue another romance.
As someone who thought the same just a few months ago, I can say that you will be very happy that you bought into this series. I recently completed ME2 and I can say that it is by far one of the best games I've ever played, especially in terms of story and characters. ME1 is also a fantastic game with a very classic KOTOR-type feel to it. You will be very pleased that you took the time to experience this series, though I can't yet speak for ME3.
Your "punishment" for trying to be a womanizer is losing worst girl and getting 2nd best girl*. It's the best punishment ever. *best girl obviously being Tali
CultOfMoMo I romanced Liara in ME1, Tali in ME2 and came back to Liara in the third one, and I'll keep it that way on my second run, except that I'll end up choosing Tali.
I did same thing before getting Lair of the shadow broker. Liara in ME1, Tali in ME2, and Liara in ME3. But liara knew i romanced tali and asked if i still loved her. Of course i said YES! ANd then tali killed herself in ME3 because i didnt do the right options in ME2 to save both legion and tali. They both died. At that point, i restarted ME2. That day was a sad day for me.
C'mon guys, we are humans too...... and Ash is very jealous of lirara... so she said something out of jealousy not because she's racist.... get your shit together guys.. just drop the nonsense hate..... And for the record if Liara & Ash were males... they would've beat the shit out of each other. (In real life.)
Dude,lots people don't like her because her attitude and her reactions. Seriously,you can't talk with her normally,and no hugs,no kisses just sex 1-2times(kissing while fucking not counts) Tali is a way better choice. Her personality and her character is just perfect(for me) Back to the topic,they are know that she isn't racist,they just don't like her.
@@zombi2896 But in real life, what's more important is your energy. An exciting fun ugly dude will do better in the long run than a plain handsome dude that's boring.
Well, I suppose a racist would be more interesting than a xeno-archeologist who is the daughter of a super powerful matriarch who eventually becomes the Shadow Broker and finds the schematics for the Crucible device. Oh wait, Ashley can become a spectre too. It is not like the Shadow Broker commands Spectres though, cough, Vasir, cough. Liara is the true love, Ashley got her sisters.
I had screwed up & got obsessed with liara, was "locked in" before I even knew it. Kept imagining a human/asari fling, like all the other perverts do lol
I like how Liara interprets "can't I choose you both?" as choosing her. Triss or Yennifer in The Witcher 3 won't make such an interpretation, you just loose them both. When I had a male Shepard with this scene, I let Ash die guarding the bomb. That male character of mine went on to cheat on Liara with Jack (after the Shadow Broker mission so I didn't get any confrontation). Jack was first to die. So I was surprised Liara didn't bring Jack up in Mass Effect 3 If a female Shepard hooks up with Samantha, Liara gets mad. What gives? She's okay with Ashley or Kaiden, but she doesn't like Samantha?
Killed 3 reapers, saved the galaxy 3 times in a row, came back from the dead, first human spectre, tons of other achievements... Still can't get a threesome... Bad luck Shep
I'm playing through the series again, and I just made the same choice. Too bad they didn't allow a threesome. What's awesome is how receptive Liara is after all that.
need i remind you This all happening on deck with the crew and the navigator and probably joker in the front not missing a single word of this hilarious conversation.
There was an appropriate way to propose that situation, but Mark Meer couldn't help but deliver the intentionally slimiest delivery on an already poorly written suggestion 😹
It is very common to accidentally romance her. After the first mission all the positive responses you give regarding her joining the crew will start the romance subplot.
Shepard: "Ladies. I play both sides. That way I always come out on top." Ashley: "You're not supposed to say that part out loud." Liara: "Wow. You're so smart! :)" Ashley: "Uh, nevermind. I'm out. Have fun. Jerks."
@@Cx10110100 she refers to herself as a young woman on her pilgrimage in the third game, so... The shadow broker dossier has her birthdate as 2161 and ME1 starts 2183, so she’s 22. Also just think about how successful the quarian fleet would be if they sent teenagers out into the galaxy with no support system and just let them ‘survive’ on their own. The pilgrimage is clearly just an abstracted extension of the idea that you aren’t an adult until you have a job and can support yourself without your parents’ help in our modern society.
@@BoxStudioExecutive Again, now talking whether she's biologically grown or not. We're talking Quarian culture and law. One is considered an adult and a full citizen once they finish their piligrimage and return with the gift to the flotilla. It is then they recieve their adult name and new legal and societal status
samturrett Quasi-racist I think would be more like it - she disdains actual racists in ME1 when they're trying to get Shepard to agree to their petition or something like that, down in the wards of the citadel where the Blade Runner style traffic is visible, same level as the one doctor who was being black mailed but toward the final missions (I think while the Normandy's impounded, but I don't remember for certain).
Maybe but if u talk to her on the citadel In me1 she sometimes says I cant tell the aliens from the animals but that's the only time her distrust to aliens bothered me alot
Hey, what do I have to do to get this scene? I flirted with both Ashley and Liara but before right Ilos it's Liara who shows up ... I never even got this scene
wow,Mass effect is such a great game even after more than 5 playthroughs I just now encountered this scene.Liara has always been the one for me I just can't imagine anyone else with Shepard.
I went with Ash through all 3 games because I kept forget where Liara was, but if I ever did this I'd pick Liara. She handled the situation way better and didn't even insult ash back.
When do you get this cutscene? I've always tried to be favorable to both Liara and Ashley, but end up getting Liara in the end by default (which would be my choice anyways). But just wanted to know how to reach this decision point
Me too, i just finished Mass 1 and i didn't get this scene. I was being nice and flirting with both girls every time possible. Ash ended always saying: "I'm busy right now but i don't mind talking later..." and that "later" never happened. In the end i finished with Liara... have i missed something?
Ash: Choose me!
Liara: Choose me!
Shep: Three way?
Ash: Fuck no.
Liara: Fuck yes
I wonder if Asari culture allows for multiple partners
@@samfish90212 asari are way too serious about love relationships, they wouldn't even dare involving another person
This has the perfect amount of likes.
@@Meow-xd2du Not all the time. There was that Asari mistress in ME3
just the best video game waifu
Two girls fighting over a guy with that face. Being a Spectre sure has it's benefits.
Indeed.
+HCatJago LOL.
ikr? With a scar like that he should be going for the Krogan females
"You've never been stalked by a fertile krogan female, Shepard. There is no holding off. Just... holding."
And rich
Take notice that Liara had no objection to bringing in more....
I always found that creepy though...
Offworlder1 A keeper to you but people too often forget that what floats their boat also sinks others.
Offworlder1 I just love this. So because you like something I also have to like it? Most people dislike what you're selling so that alone should get you off your high horse.
Offworlder1 All you have is one guy as depraved as you who is thumbing you up, big deal. Like I said, the great majority are against any form of poligamous relationship.
Especially women.
What the fuck have I walked into?
*Can get enough renegade to convince Saren to kill himself*
*Will never have enough renegade to chose both Ashley and Liara*
Janglenutter ooo umm you not allowed to say that nowadays
Holy Pringle freedom of speech
Holy Pringle cope
Just imagine if they would put a paragon option for both of them. Maybe something like: "Ashley - as humanity we need to broaden our cooperation with other species in order to better understand each other and in turn advance humanity in galactic society and make mankind strong. You can lead the way just like Alliance soldiers always lead the way. It will require a lot of effort and courage but I am sure that you will be able to do this. Liara - as I understand you didn't have much opportunities to get to know humans as a species. This situation will help you understand us far better than years of talking and fighting together with humans. So have no fear. We. Must. Do. This. Together."
@@Visor3410 yes a threesome 😏 😋
Why not 3 of us... Liara: I'm glad you chose me. LOL :DDD
Didn't you know? Liara ketten van.(translate the last two words from hungarian to english,I couldn't say it in english)
same thing happens to Femshep suggesting a threesome with Kaiden and Liara. Liara just wants to be chosen in general, even if that means a threesome and Kaiden is fuck up in the head to pass up that chance.
wlfmanjack LOL
+wlfmanjack omg u should know kaiden is all about that dick. even if ur a girl he just wants u to put a penis on. that's why u just kill him in the first one.........OR u can just be his love then kill him in the third one
Jordan S Wait....Kaidan is gay?????
"I'm glad you chose me."
Well, he didn't but okay.
He did. He chose Liara AND Ashley, which is still choosing Liara as opposed to choosing Ashley and NOT Liara.
(hint hint, she doesn't care if you also choose someone else as long as you don't not choose her).
@Major Gear It should have been obvious Ashley wouldn't go with it from her character thus far tbh.
Well bang ok?
That's why saying goodbye to Liara makes the most sense. Ash is already absent in the second game, an you can leave her on Virmire too if you don't want a romance. Liara is a writer's pet, so there's just no getting rid of her once you, even accidentally, get into it. She is literally the only crewmate who cannot die at any point (not counting low asset me3 ending)
Ashley: me or her?
Shepard: garrus
Liara and Ashley: wait, what?....
Wrex 100%
bros before hoes
Mordin: Avoid ingestion
Theres no Shepard without Vakarian.
I need some calibrations if you know what i mean
You know what's more awkward, Liara? Bringing this up when Kaidan just freaking died 5 minutes ago!
Me on my first playthrough checking out Kaidens empty spot just to then immediately go and see liara. To see if she tryna bang yet ofc.
@@you_need_god You'll bang, ok.
I was all like:
"Bitch, I don't like any of you! I'm into... A specific Quarian."
Tali is always my
In my case, Shep would say "I don't need both of you, I'll wait for a strong sexy woman with Dat Ass to show up."
plus Tali's quirks make that lil bitch cute as fuck. That and the quasi russian accent.
The way I play it too, I just stay single til 2.
And the name is Kal'Reegar.
Liara: Choose me
Ash: Chose me
Shephard: I take both
Me: CHOSE TALI!
Lol. I choose Tali though. She backes you up every time.
Nah she's still like 22 in this game or something, so she's not a 'kid' by human standards. And, yes there is a 7-year age gap but hey, doesn't stop them later on.
muskatDR it's better Liara... because she wont die no matter what.... everyone else could die depending your choices and upgrades.... liara will live always.
***** and even then Shepard dies right afterwards if she survives (except for that one ending)
***** the only time everybody dies is in Mass effect 3 if you shoot that stupid blue boy at the end.
This scene in a nutshell:
Liara: Hostility is a common reaction to the unfamiliar.
Ashley: YOU'RE A SMARTASS
Liara: Anger is a common reaction to losing.
Ashley: >:|
Shepard: ...threesome?
Ashley: NO!
I kinda wish there was an option to say "Fuck it, no one gets Shepard." I actually think that choice makes the most sense in this situation.
Most guys would react to it this way in real life, regardless of whatever fantasies they jerk off to. It would virtually destroy your whole reputation on the ship and might even cost you command. And the two women would grow to hate both you and one another within hours. Not worth it.
That's why all societies on Earth have always gravitated towards monogamy; even where polygamy is legal it's practically never practiced outside the narrowest of elites. You just can't build a functioning family on two women who compete with each other over the man's affection.
@yarpen26 This is just wrong.
While yes, that is a likely outcome, that is a likely outcome because people are terrible at everything. The only likely reason any normal male would give this answer is that they do care for both (maybe not even in the same way) and don't want to upset either by not choosing them, even if that's a bad decision.
The women, likely also being incompetent emotional humans would likely take offense instead of understanding where he was coming from and backing off and discussing reasonably. They may or may not feel a competitive aggression towards each other, but that was clearly already present, because Ashley here is a hateful scumbag in general.
This rift may jeopardize authority, but probably only on a social level. It may do worse given the whole fraternizing with subordinates issue, but that's a maybe, and since Shepard is a spectre, you can basically guarantee it wouldn't be able to threaten him officially regardless of Alliance regs. Not only is he not fully under Alliance authority, but he's too valuable an asset.
Most people don't reconcile conflict well, so it would likely only get worse, not better.
The individuals involved being reasonable at any step along the way would completely avoid this being a problem.
As for societies on Earth, no. The commoners have almost always been monogamous, but polygamy is extremely common in the elites across Human societies. There are multiple reasons for this, none of which boil down to humans being terrible and irrational.
There's no fundamental reason you can't be polygamous and maintain healthy relationships. It is, however, a greater burden on the involved parties in certain ways, and can only be made work by the parties involved being both reasonable and earnest.
Part of what you said gets to it: competing for the man's affection. That alone is a toxic mentality for ANY relationship, of any number of persons. You should never be competing within a relationship in any serious fashion. You should always be cooperating. You are not individuals trying to get ahead, you are a collective working together for mutual betterment.
Regardless of how you feel about the arrangement, Liara seems like exactly the kind of character/person who would be able to function in a poly relationship healthily.
@@yarpen26 Okay that might be true in ME1 but by ME3 Shepard's basically a deity and the savior to everything that breathes and then some. I think he's earned a threesome or two. :V
@@yarpen26 late to the party but this isn’t necessarily true. I’ve been in relationships with two girls at once and it’s not that complicated. While we never had a threesome or anything they were really civil with each other and even became sort of friends. Ended up dumping one for the other tho when I realized I only wanted one person in my life.
@@andrewpandrew7786 how did the other girl take it?
Shep: Maybe the three of us could uhh...
Ash: In your dreams, commander.
Shep (Harbinger's voice): Assuming direct control.
It bugged me that in ME1 there was no clear distinction between "just talking to your crewmates" and flirting.
In my first full triple-game playthrough I also accidentally got this scene, even though I was not intending to romance either of them (was saving myself for Tali in ME2).
So in my last femshep playthrough I purposely ignored Liara most of the game and left Kaidan on Virmire... just to make sure I don't accidentally romance either of them.
Ok there's building up a relationship with everything you say basically, but there are big trigger answers that actually turn in into romance. All of you "accidentally romancing" people are just stupid
There is a very clear distinction. I managed to not “accidentally” flirt with people, just don’t pick the painfully obvious flirt lines you buffoon.
There are specific dialog options that make things more intimate. It's easy to misinterpret the intention the first time around.
It's a clear confession with liara, with ash, not so much. Just tell her she's out of line, no romance is possible then.
@@thisisahandle01 Ditto, I just didn't want to be such a hardass... game interpreted it as flirting with the space racist.
The paragon option was to let Ash go haha.
TheArcher143 because Liara is blue :p
The paragon option is to make her a nice crater.
@@christiaanf503 Mass Effect relationships finally make sense now after all these years
Because Ash is a racist and a bitch. Even in Mass Effect 3, she still kinda is. At least Kaidan is complex, subtle, and nice, and he really shines in Mass Effect 3
@@Xgendude14 same thing the GCN CZcams channel said... I completely agree upon that...
It is fine if they make Ashley being monopolizing type... I mean... All wives in reality are like that and they don't want to share their men. But making her jealous and then racist... Now that cannot be agreed upon...
Man, you will burn in hell for not choosing "Catfight!" :D
@@georgsgrants9925 Bruh who replies to a goddamn 6 year old comment with that gem. Real shit i swear.
@@TheNightlord13 i have strong opinions about the issue, i'm afraid
@@georgsgrants9925 well fuck you too
@@masonhidari have i said you should suffer for eternity? VersusAllOdds did to the creator of the video.
@@georgsgrants9925 George, it's not that deep man...
"Jealous of you? Youre not even our species!"
Thank god I left your ass back on Virmire...
What did Ash become after leaving Virmire? Ash, lol.
Björn Mätal lmao
Björn Mätal Ashley to ashes. Dust to dust.
@@somzer Brutal. lol
Yeah
I'll bet she needs to clean her gear
*Heavy calibration intensifies
Gear = dildo, right?
@@hadeseye2297 Clit, as in: she's wet.
@@Halo_Legend Ah, thanks. *Native not is my English senior.*
Didn't catch that one well.
@@Halo_Legend Actualy, I think dildo makes more sense. She broke up with Shep, she's gonna need her toys.
Sad that they were both just side chicks.
We all know Shepherd's true loves are the Reapers.
OK so I did a femshep play through with romancing Liara and not realizing it romancing Kaidan. Instead of this I saved Ashely instead of him and let that problem work itself out. Heartless yes, effective also yes
The ultimate friendzoning, leave the behind to a nuclear explosion.
He's used to it. Poor Kaiden almost never gets to survive in most of our playthrough lol
@LA Lakers Ikr? I'm currently replaying the trilogy and decided to keep him around just to try it. Soooo annoying. Funny is, without even flirting with him and after he basically told me to fuck off in ME2 and spent the first hours of ME3 shitting my integrity, he confessed his feelings for me. Dafuq? lol I facepalmed so hard.
By complete accident, I romanced Ashley in my first playthrough as MaleShep, and I did the exact same thing to resolve the issue.
Since then I just avoid her and kill her automatically in all other playthroughs because I just like Kaidan in general as a person, plus Ashley is a space racist.
@@davecullins1606 not really a space racist , she's just more pro-human , she stops being a space racist after mass effect 1 because of learning they aren't so bad fighting along with them in mass effect 1. Most people dont find that out tho cause they always leave her to die. And her space racist phase is because of her family , not because she hated them herself , she explains that pretty well in the first game. And no offense to Kaidan but he doesn't have a personality at all , nor character development , he's just your daily empty soldier character , and his lore doesnt go further than his implants and biotics that he barely even mentions after the first game. Meanwhile Ash goes through character development , changes her opinion about aliens and her personality and lore go further than "I shoot people"
Romanced Ash in ME1, dumped her in ME2 (if she had been reasonable on Horizon, I probs would have stuck with her) and pursued Tali through 2 + 3. I have no regrets
spacemanandy2 Ditto, but it was pure accident in ME1. I had turned away from romance and had no romantic dialogue with Ashley in ME1, yet somehow she still tried to start the sex scene (I said nein. Don't like Ash. I even friend zoned her 10 times). So that was weird.
But in my original I killed her on Virmire (SOMEBODY HAS TO) so it didn't matter then at least.
spacemanandy2 Ditto, but it was pure accident in ME1. I had turned away from romance and had no romantic dialogue with Ashley in ME1, yet somehow she still tried to start the sex scene (I said nein. Don't like Ash. I even friend zoned her 10 times). So that was weird.
But in my original I killed her on Virmire (SOMEBODY HAS TO) so it didn't matter then at least.
Tali? She's an ugly boobless damsel in distress. I don't even recruit her in ME2.
Fulade 0306 Ha, if you seriously cinsider that how you pick the female squadmates, take a second look.
In ME1 she has the wide hips and the breasts- Liara and Ashley are shapeless.
ME2 she has pretty much the same shape, its just harder to see on screen since there are far less instances in which you can see someone not holding a gun, but in some instances you can look.
I personally just like her personality, plus she and Garrus will fall in love with each other if you romance neither... You can even interrupt them in "the moment" in a very similar fashion to Joker cockblocking you in ME1 after you get locked on the citadel (if you romanced someone).
+Fulade 0306 Right. You must be reeeeeaally popular with the ladies...
There's no successful cheating in this game haha :D
TheEvilQueen Actually I've heard some people say they were able to romance Liara in the first game, Miranda in the second, and then romance Liara in the third without her finding out.
***** Yeeeeeah ... cheating on the shadow broker ... BAAAAAAAAAAD IDEA!
+TheEvilQueen
Cheating?! Shepard just wanted to have his 3-way... XD
+TheEvilQueen you can romance any of the 2 in me 1, have the short lived affair with jack in me2 romance tali afterwards and in me3 you just romance the one you didnt in ME 1 then you had 4 and thats tops i got
+TheEvilQueen Guess who is getting sacrificed in nuke mission....
" why do i have to make a choice ? maybe the three of us could...........eh " it's the look on his face that sells this
"I'm glad you chose me" he didn't choose. Your competition just left.
Ashley isnt even a xenophobe, she just doesn't trust aliens that much in Mass Effect 1 which is completely understandable. In Mass Effect 1 most humans don't trust aliens because the first contact war wasn't even that long ago and humans are like second class citizens still and aren't taken seriously by other species. Liara even says to you in Mass Effect 1 shes never taken humans seriously and thought they were kind of a joke. With Ashley you also have to remember her families past which will severely effect her view on aliens in Mass Effect 1 because shes had limited contact with them herself as shes mainly been stationed on human colonies like Eden Prime.
Now another problem people have with Ashley is how she reacts to you returning in Mass Effect 2 which I really don't get. Do you expect her to be cool with the fact you're now with a known terrorist organisation? Do you expect her to just accept it is you after you being dead for 2 years and been rebuilt by a terrorist organisation? As far as she knows you could have been brainwashed, have a control chip in your brain, be just a clone or robot. Her reaction in Mass Effect 2 is completely understandable IMO.
I honestly think people hate how shes slow to trust you again and it takes getting half way through Mass Effect 3 to gain her trust again but is her being slow to trust really a bad thing? Do you want all the characters to be like Garrus and Tali and just trust you imediently despite the fact your with a terrorist organisation and might not even be you? (Don't get me wrong here though I love Garrus and Tali
Agree and I'm sure Kaiden does the same in ME2 or something similar
Finally! Someone who is not a Ashley Hater.
GottaLoveShuckle Ashley on the Citadel : "I cannot make the difference between aliens and animals"
Not a xenophobe... Riiiiiight
CatroiOz Seeing the elcor, hanar and the keepers for the first time, I actually didn't fault her for saying that.
@@evanjuarez9291 Who's Kaiden?
Ashley's treatment of Liara in the beginning there was one of the main reasons I saved Kaiden over her on Virmire lol NO REGRETS
Erin L also because from a meta-game standpoint Kaiden is a lot more useful than ashley
Spartan3101200 Yeah, for sure. Especially since in ME1 I took Garrus with me always, and Kaiden balanced it out with his biotic abilities. I just think overall, Kaiden is by far the better choice of who to save, unless of course someone plans on romancing Ashley.
Erin L I always took wrex+garrus
Spartan3101200 love wrex, especially in ME3
I always take Liara and Tali.
LOL, both male and female Shepard's perverted faces when they're saying that always crack me up xDD
"Catfight!" There are a lot of great renegade choices in mass effect, but I've never laughed out loud just from seeing one on the conversation wheel.
1:45 At least 2 girls didn't handcuff Shepard on the bed, drank wine and left him there.
*Slavic music starts playing on the background.*
(Yen and Triss had the best reaction ever.)
LOL! Man I was almost rolling on the floor when I saw "Catfight!" as an option xD
If that the case then Liara will be the winner for sure . Dat biotic power is far more superior than some rusty gun :)
Tuan12088 tell that to shepard (soldier). see what he thinks.
I think he meant under the sheets if you know what I'm saying.
Who else came to this video for being too ashamed of choosing that option?
Me. : /
I did, and I played FemShep.
ha.
Alexalmo me
I did in on my first play through because I had high charisma and wanted to see if that shit would actually work lol
Sorry, but I've never liked Ashley's character. No discredit or disrespect to the voice actor, she did great. I just don't like the way they wrote Ashley's character.
there's some people who love playing pro-human/anti-alien playthroughs which i guess ashley is a perfect LI for lol
Don't worry, everybody hates Ashley :D
I wish I chose Kaidan on Virmire, Ashley is just a finger down the throat in all the games. I romanced Liara, and she's just so much better
Ashley isn't a bad character, it's her backstory that causes her to be so confrontational.
When you go through life with everyone trying to make you give up, you tend to expect every interaction to be hostile.
@@mikevignola4213 nah bro I gave her nothing but respect and trust throughout Mass Effect, and I play Renegade too, but I was always Paragon with her cos I already knew her story, yet in Mass Effect 3 she was still a narrow minded shit. And she still kept saying she didn't trust me and it was always "Shepard Cerberus this" and "Shepard Cerberus that"
She watches too much Fox News.
I had this scene in my Liara romance playthrough, even though I never attempted a romance with Ashley (to my knowledge). Just to make sure Ash didn't ninjamance me I nuked her from orbit.
That happends regarless so long as you paragon talk her. You could always simply deny to talk to her at all and she won't even get mad.
The first Normandy was just so much cozier for some reason
I prefer Mass Effect 2’s Normandy. Better lighting and the first Normandy is too blue.
@@Spider-Man2094 Thats the exact reason i dont like the SR2's lighting, its too white and perfect, the SR1 had dimmer lighting and the conference room which was cozy.
And ME2's ship is just so fucking ginormous. I honestly avaoid checking on people solely because I don't feel like jogging halfway across the damn hull.
@@yarpen26 I agree. The SR1 was very simple which is why it's, along with its atmosphere, is my favourite.
The facial expression of Shepard @ the 1:50 mark is just hilarious when he says : Can't I have you both?
Why do I have to make a choice, maybe the three of us could eh ...... xDDDDDDDDDDDDDD
He didn't deliver that line with enough confidence to pull it off.
Shepard can convince Leviathan to change their minds or to stop a war between Quarian and Geth that lasted for centuries
But he can never convince Ashley and Liara for a threesome
This is why I don't understand people liking Ashley. Hate on kaiden all you want, call him boring call him a whiner but at least hes not a racist
+P Boye (Ponyboy) There is a reason for her racism.
+Coley Durham i dont understand your comment
i meant xenophobic not racist. cant edit on mobile
+Coley Durham maybe shes not the worst of them but i still think she's unreasonably hateful towards aliens
+Coley Durham shes compared other species to animals and treats her crewmates differently. we're just gonna disagree i guess
good guy bioware guiding you towards the better romance of the two
Did Ashley spend 2 years trying to bring Shepard back? Did Ashley join the fight against the Collectors? Did Ashley get out of the way, letting Shepard kill Udina while he tried to take over the Citadel? Loyal? Please. Ashley is just some hot-headed, loose warhead, racist, xenophobic bitch.
Liara is calm, compassionate, strong, smart and dedicated. Interestingly, she's even more loyal than Ashley could ever be.
Инреr sонал when shepherd asked liara to help in m2 she said no and had him help her 2 times so your point is invalid
Fulade 0306 lol if u play Lair of the shadow broker & romanced liara in mass effect 1 but cheated on her she says 'u deserve to be happy' whereas Ashley gets Soo jealous if u pursue another romance.
Khanan Liara is still pretty pissed.
Ray Last I mean, rightfully so. If I went through all of that and then got cheated on, I’d be pretty pissed too.
Liara showing the true progression within how to view and accept other types of relationships. She’s just the best.
i choose both! report to my cabin as soon as possible!
WELL BANG OK!
Tali romance master race
Can’t wait to trigger this situation in HD with the remaster.
As someone who thought the same just a few months ago, I can say that you will be very happy that you bought into this series. I recently completed ME2 and I can say that it is by far one of the best games I've ever played, especially in terms of story and characters. ME1 is also a fantastic game with a very classic KOTOR-type feel to it. You will be very pleased that you took the time to experience this series, though I can't yet speak for ME3.
Your "punishment" for trying to be a womanizer is losing worst girl and getting 2nd best girl*.
It's the best punishment ever.
*best girl obviously being Tali
Best being Miranda
ClassyLiberal Best being Legion. Sexbots.
best being jack. mmmmmmmm tats.........so sexy *drools* just wish they'd added a sex scene to her in ME3 :(
Best being Kelly and her private therapy session
Evan Juarez true, it's why liara, jack, ash, kelly, and sam are tied for #1.
"I'm glad you chose me" Da hell? He tried to choose both of them, and only Ashley walked away angrily! Why didn't Liara do the same?
+Gui Caldo cause Liara didn't seem to mind. She's open to new things :)
CultOfMoMo Knowing her as I did, I don't think she would be very open to share Shepard with another woman.
+Gui Caldo haha! Fair enough. I always chose Tali
CultOfMoMo I romanced Liara in ME1, Tali in ME2 and came back to Liara in the third one, and I'll keep it that way on my second run, except that I'll end up choosing Tali.
I did same thing before getting Lair of the shadow broker. Liara in ME1, Tali in ME2, and Liara in ME3. But liara knew i romanced tali and asked if i still loved her. Of course i said YES! ANd then tali killed herself in ME3 because i didnt do the right options in ME2 to save both legion and tali. They both died. At that point, i restarted ME2. That day was a sad day for me.
"Report to the ship as soon as possible"
"Well bang, OK?"
C'mon guys, we are humans too...... and Ash is very jealous of lirara... so she said something out of jealousy not because she's racist.... get your shit together guys.. just drop the nonsense hate.....
And for the record if Liara & Ash were males... they would've beat the shit out of each other. (In real life.)
Dude,lots people don't like her because her attitude and her reactions. Seriously,you can't talk with her normally,and no hugs,no kisses just sex 1-2times(kissing while fucking not counts) Tali is a way better choice. Her personality and her character is just perfect(for me) Back to the topic,they are know that she isn't racist,they just don't like her.
Indeed. That is how I ended up married.
maybe ashley would have said yes if kaiden was in liara's place
and Kaiden would've said yes if it was liara and a male Shep
that took me a while to process
Catfight!
It's been a tough year. I needed this lol
Lets be legit though, Liara would fucking murder Ashley
mass effect rule no. 1: never EVER make a custom shepard
spagetti001 why
@@Politickticktickin they always look ugly
@@zombi2896 true.. But the saviour of the galaxy is a warrior. Not a vogue magazine model.
@@Politickticktickin but *UGLY*
@@zombi2896 But in real life, what's more important is your energy. An exciting fun ugly dude will do better in the long run than a plain handsome dude that's boring.
"Oh no. Ash, the sex tape! He'll find out!"
Every day I see videos and dialogue options that I never knew existed
It feels like the developers really wanted us to end up with Liara
I wish they had added one more renegade line at the end like: I didn´t choose you liara, I asked to have you both and Ashley just walked away.
Liara forever!!!!!!
Good thing about Liara is, that she doesnt have sex. You can have her as a male or as a famale Shepard!
Well, I suppose a racist would be more interesting than a xeno-archeologist who is the daughter of a super powerful matriarch who eventually becomes the Shadow Broker and finds the schematics for the Crucible device. Oh wait, Ashley can become a spectre too. It is not like the Shadow Broker commands Spectres though, cough, Vasir, cough. Liara is the true love, Ashley got her sisters.
And Liara's like "I win, bitch!"
"Hey Ashley, Let's take a trip to Virmire... :)"
I had screwed up & got obsessed with liara, was "locked in" before I even knew it. Kept imagining a human/asari fling, like all the other perverts do lol
0:44 OH SNAP
Liara and Ashley fight over Johnny Klebbitz
1:46 If they agreed then he'd be tied on the bed and leave him there.
Dam this game is mature lol
Yeah... but then came the sequels.
@@anibala.moralessanchez8018 only me 3 was bad
@@anibala.moralessanchez8018 FiRs tHinG oNLi gUD!
I like how Liara interprets "can't I choose you both?" as choosing her. Triss or Yennifer in The Witcher 3 won't make such an interpretation, you just loose them both. When I had a male Shepard with this scene, I let Ash die guarding the bomb. That male character of mine went on to cheat on Liara with Jack (after the Shadow Broker mission so I didn't get any confrontation). Jack was first to die. So I was surprised Liara didn't bring Jack up in Mass Effect 3
If a female Shepard hooks up with Samantha, Liara gets mad. What gives? She's okay with Ashley or Kaiden, but she doesn't like Samantha?
I min maxed out all the relationships that I could
I love that last option on the third wheel "Catfight!". Good god, Shepard, my boy
"Shepard, you must choose. Ashley or me?"
"Legion"
Killed 3 reapers, saved the galaxy 3 times in a row, came back from the dead, first human spectre, tons of other achievements... Still can't get a threesome...
Bad luck Shep
The face shepard made when asking for both made me laugh so hard
*Ashley and Liara fighting*
Shepard: Whoops
Joker: Aaaaand we're out
I'm playing through the series again, and I just made the same choice. Too bad they didn't allow a threesome. What's awesome is how receptive Liara is after all that.
"I'm glad you chose me" wait, what conversation was she listening to? lol
RULE #1 - Never let yourself get confronted by both ladies at the same time!!
need i remind you This all happening on deck with the crew and the navigator and probably joker in the front not missing a single word of this hilarious conversation.
good god, Shepards face when he says "why do I have to make a choice". That is one DEVIOUS smirk.
There was an appropriate way to propose that situation, but Mark Meer couldn't help but deliver the intentionally slimiest delivery on an already poorly written suggestion 😹
How do you even get this dialogue interaction? ME is one of my favorite games but I've never gotten this before!
You have to flirt with Ashley and Liara. Eventually this scene happens, forcing you to choose one.
I wasn't even trying for ash and i still had this scene....
It is very common to accidentally romance her. After the first mission all the positive responses you give regarding her joining the crew will start the romance subplot.
Shepard: "Ladies. I play both sides. That way I always come out on top."
Ashley: "You're not supposed to say that part out loud."
Liara: "Wow. You're so smart! :)"
Ashley: "Uh, nevermind. I'm out. Have fun. Jerks."
I said no to both, and then wonder why I couldn't romance Tali, and the Mass Effect 2 happened.
Well, technically Tali wasn't adult in the first ME
@@Cx10110100 technically speaking she was an adult, but in her culture she had to prove that with her pilgrimage
@@SirParanoidAndroid yea, biologically she was. But i doubt thats the case in Quarian law
@@Cx10110100 she refers to herself as a young woman on her pilgrimage in the third game, so...
The shadow broker dossier has her birthdate as 2161 and ME1 starts 2183, so she’s 22.
Also just think about how successful the quarian fleet would be if they sent teenagers out into the galaxy with no support system and just let them ‘survive’ on their own. The pilgrimage is clearly just an abstracted extension of the idea that you aren’t an adult until you have a job and can support yourself without your parents’ help in our modern society.
@@BoxStudioExecutive Again, now talking whether she's biologically grown or not. We're talking Quarian culture and law. One is considered an adult and a full citizen once they finish their piligrimage and return with the gift to the flotilla. It is then they recieve their adult name and new legal and societal status
Not sure why everybody think Ash is racist, there's plenty of references in 1, 2, and 3 that she moved past that.
2 and 3 maybe, but not in 1.
samturrett
Quasi-racist I think would be more like it - she disdains actual racists in ME1 when they're trying to get Shepard to agree to their petition or something like that, down in the wards of the citadel where the Blade Runner style traffic is visible, same level as the one doctor who was being black mailed but toward the final missions (I think while the Normandy's impounded, but I don't remember for certain).
Your memory serves you just fine.
Maybe but if u talk to her on the citadel In me1 she sometimes says I cant tell the aliens from the animals but that's the only time her distrust to aliens bothered me alot
Bradley Carter that's the sort of stuff I was thinking of.
Plot twist: the council was watching the whole time
We'll bang, okay?
I always thought that should be an option inserted into this dialogue wheel. 😂😂
Tries to pick the option where Shep suggests a threesome
Ashley gets disgusted and leaves
Liara stays.....
Me: Okay, I can definitely work with this!
Harem in the making.
Cole Phelbs: If you don't ask, you'll never find out
There once was an ugly Shepard, he was so ugly that everyone died, the end
Liara is so awkward, like a robot from Westworld. I don't want to imagine how she would comment every single movement in bed.
Ash: "In your dreams, Commander."
Actually in his dreams: * chasing some underage boy in limbo *
bruh
@strange eric that comment made my day 😂😂😂
Holy shit,when you think about it that kid is literally cowering in fear as Shepard walks towards him lol
Hey, what do I have to do to get this scene? I flirted with both Ashley and Liara but before right Ilos it's Liara who shows up ... I never even got this scene
wow,Mass effect is such a great game even after more than 5 playthroughs I just now encountered this scene.Liara has always been the one for me I just can't imagine anyone else with Shepard.
His face when he tries to get them both😆🤣🤣🤣
I went with Ash through all 3 games because I kept forget where Liara was, but if I ever did this I'd pick Liara. She handled the situation way better and didn't even insult ash back.
I ah I remember why I left Ashley behind with no regret
Half expected it to just cut to the nuke going off on Virmire. I think that would have been perfect.
"Catfight!" LOL
I won't have my crew fighting
With clothes on
Dammit! I chose the same answer as you, but I was aiming for Ashley, but got Liara...! THAT MUST BE CORRECTED!
When do you get this cutscene? I've always tried to be favorable to both Liara and Ashley, but end up getting Liara in the end by default (which would be my choice anyways). But just wanted to know how to reach this decision point
Just talking to both of them and choose paragon options they'll do this.
Me too, i just finished Mass 1 and i didn't get this scene. I was being nice and flirting with both girls every time possible. Ash ended always saying: "I'm busy right now but i don't mind talking later..." and that "later" never happened. In the end i finished with Liara... have i missed something?