Discover the Dark Secrets of 7 Compact Articulated Loaders! Unbiased, No Sponsor.
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- Ken from Bolt on Hooks is in the market for a small articulated loader to lift 2000 lb pallets to 8' high on his pallet racking. Tractor Time with Tim and Ken test drive 7 different SAL brands including Avant, Cast, Vermeer Multi-One, Giant, Schaffer, Richway, and Intrepid at the Equip Expo.
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00:00 Introduction
00:30 Ken's Needs
01:41 Avant 6 Series
07:43 Cast Loader
12:23 Vermeer / Multi-One
16:30 Giant Loader
21:24 Schaffer
27:08 Ridgeway
28:45 Intrepid
32:14 Winner & Price Summary
33:18 Oscillation or NOT?
34:30 Other Brands/Rebrands
35:28 Forklift Instead? - Jak na to + styl
This is the best comparison video, by far, on mini articulating loaders. We're seeing these loaders take quite a bit of market share from (mini) skidsteers. Most of them, including our Intrepid loader, are made in Europe. Skidsteers are barely a thing over there. As a rule of thumb, any loader that seats you on the front ('cab front'), will feature a rigid frame. A cab-rear loader where you sit on the back will oscillate. Thanks for stopping at my booth and reviewing Intrepid loaders👍
- Chris
We had a great time in your booth @miniloaders! Since the show was wrapping up we took some extra 'liberties" and drove the units all over the place, it was really fun! I really liked that larger Intrepid.
@@kdeckster At one point I looked up and literally every loader I had was being tried and tested. It was out of control! It was an awesome sight.
The plastic body parts suck & the ability to use full size skidsteer attachments is golden if you already own the attachments or enjoy a plentiful assortment of attachments to choose from in the new/used market.
I was curious what Tim would buy knowing his machines so well.Which one would you choose and which series
hi tim. I live in the netherlands and here u see a load of these loaders driving around. The interpid is called a knikmops here, these are here only used in the smaller size, for the bigger loaders we use giants. thats why the smaller giant you guys tested in not really a match to the rest. Giant puts more effort in making larger machines. Really nice to see these loaders become popular in the USA. It are nice little handy machines.
Gentlemen, this was by far and away the best comparison video of these loaders. Thank you.
I've been seeing these types of machines gain popularity with the landscaping guys because they don't tear up the turf like a skid steer would
Right, HUGE advantage!
We just picked up a Giant 254 Tele and it’s awesome. It operates more like a traditional wheel loader. I have a compact tractor and the backwards pedals were a little annoying on the others we demoed.
We use it to load our Finn mb50 blower on job sites. And like you said it’s a huge plus not damaging turf
fun fact , the intrepid brand is actually called knikmops in belgium
I know it won’t work for every application but an extendable boom helps with the backing out of the pallet issue. Boom out, set it down, boom in and you’re good to go
Nice comparison Tim. You and Ken did a great job pointing out the pros and cons of the various machines. I enjoyed the video. Thanks
Looks like you and Ken had a great time and provided a ton of info on these units. Blessings.
Nice! I'm in the market for one of those and demoing an Avant later today! I did get rid of my tractor! Thanks!
Excellent editing by Christy as I found this very informative. I am not in this market but hearing the comparisons was interesting.
Having owned an Avant 528 as part of my tree business, I loved it. We called it our secret weapon. Just today I was moving around 20’ (8-10”) logs holding them the long way with my grapple. Definitely get the extra weights in the back. I’m actually hunting for another one to buy personally to pair with my 1025 instead of trading up.
Used a Avant 635 & 760i a few times, superb machines.
We are in 700 series of avant and it’s the best thing we bought for are business so far absolutely love it I highly suggest
How is the dealer network and support on service and parts?
@@jimmcknight3021 it’s amazing are dealer is Alta Equipment
Really nice video comparing all of the brands, Tim! Pricing of machines will vary higher or lower based on options. The 33TLX Carbon Open Cab is closer to $58,500, Similar to Avant. Thank you for stopping by the booth!
We had a great time @castloadersusa! Next year, please have a set of fork to 'play' with!
Great video comparing the different articulating loaders! Hope to get into one of these machines someday.
Great video guys and very informative. Definitely a lot to learn about the differences between the various machines and requires considerable due diligence prior to pulling the trigger.
Great job, Tim & Ken.
Great video. Surprising what the little machines can lift , safely.
Great comparison of the articulated loaders!
LETS GET STARTED . Great comparison
Forklift is the theme and it's interesting to see how the designs will change as usage moves away from forklift use towards Ag and Construction use and engines and usability changes. Texas needs a cab with AC and Heat for outdoor use.
The power rake is to be floated and and depth control is decided by the crowd of the arm.
Awesome video guys 👍🏻👍🏻 Hey Tim, have you ever considered trying the larger mini-skid-steer machines on your channel. A comparison video on them would be nice as to, they are growing in popularity. God bless you my brother 🙏 in Christ.
I personally don't like any loader that articulates with the cab on the front frame. I wouldn't even consider a loader with that design. Rear frame cab is much more stable,secure and you know where your rear frame is at all times.
Hi Tim, great video as always and a great comparison on the small articulated loaders available. Thinking about Ken’s need to move 2000lb loads, one piece of equipment he should consider is a telehandler. They don’t suffer the same visibility of the fork frame as a loader and they generally come equipped with a skid steer coupler. Many models have aux hydraulics on the boom so attachments with 3rd functions can be used as well. May be something to do a future comparison video on?
As a owner of a tree company my go to machine remains the bobcat mt 55 ,85,100,& up coming 120 series!!! Whereupon they have changed the game for my production and capabilities bar none.
We traded our avant for the giant 2 years ago and have been so happy. The lift capacity and stability is better, the option to oscillate or not is nice. I like the fact you steer in front but I will say the decelerated pedal is a drawl back and I wish it had a better option.
Great video!
them avants are pretty slick quite a few of the local landscape and utility companies here in southeast michigan are starting to phase out their older machines with the avants one of the local road mower companies even dualed one up like a ventrac and added alot of weight downlow and run a brush hog on them
Another good video. Could Ken mount a forklift mast on the three point linkage?
the biggest problem with all of them is that they are about double the price they should be
what was the flo on the SHAFFER ? ...that Iowa built one with the armor plate up there to protect the legs would be pretty neet for running the rukkus rakes and brush mowers it seems>???
18:00 rideing on the back would prolly significantally help him line up the forks VS. that ride way up front one?? when the wheels can be way outta wack behind you lock to lock sittin back there wonderin WHEN & WHERE WE GOIN NEXT??? lol hehe
cool vid
With the weight you’re wanting to move I’d also recommend looking at the cat 903 and comparable Deere unit. They’re a bit more $ but if you’re wanting to move 2k everyday they’re going to be more stable.
I think that the last comment by Tim deserves a response.😂
BIG THANK YOU to Christy❤.
We run a Vermeer loader it does jerk a lot! It’s very good at lifting the throttle by itself is nice. You go to get a load with a bucket it will die the hydro flow is just to much for the motor. Others may do that also I dunno. But I like it more now that I’ve run it I just think someone makes one a little better and it rides rough.
Dis is amazing
The Giant is more familiar in operation to an actual wheel loader from the commercial or mining industry. The other variations with the two petal design will be far more familiar to those who run compact tractors.
Great video.!👍®️
Great video!! Thank you so much for providing so much information on these units. I am leaning towards the Avant 6 series as well. I'm curious though, are you and Ken referring to the 635i and 640i when mentioning the model that isn't out yet?
I think it is a 625 coming next spring.
We are deciding between the 635 and 640, I know Avant will hold onto the specs of the new model until its released, but did you hear anything on the specs/features that would cause you to put it over the 635 and 640?
@@mhonor6yes. 25 hp means no DPF. Less expensive, more reliable.
Barring the price, I really like those little loaders. What I don't know is if I'd rather have the loader or a small tractor ( I have a 1025R). Good stuff, thanks for sharing.
It's a struggle for sure! The advantage of these machines over a SCUT/CUT is the compactness, maneuverability, lift capacity and lift hight.
Other than price it’s almost got an advantage in every way!
I have operated,& owned almost every compact articulated loader , currently I own 3 Waldons , 4100 , 5000 ,& 6000 ! I am looking at purchasing another 3 !! IN MY Opinion Waldon's are the best value !!
You didn't highlight the "reach/telescopic" functions, that is the real advantage of the units that have it. You can pull out of the forks straight with the "tele boom" while the machine is in full articulation. This is the function that is superior to the non-telescopic machines Wm Hamel Telehandler Specialist
Just curious, but why didn't you try the Bobcat? I like what i saw when you had that a few weeks in 2020. Plus, Bobcat has such an extensive dealer network. I thought MultiOne was smart to team up with Veermer in order to tap into their dealer network.
We sort of ran out of time...and it rained the one night so the testing grounds turned into a swamp. Tim had the Bobcat on his property before, so he already had an opinion of it.
I think we fully covered the Bobcat in 2020
Avant and Multione have been the leaders in this space globally. (Avant with a larger market share )and they have a number of different models depending on your requirements. The bobcat only offers 2 models and even their larger model really does not really compare with the likes of Avant multione cast etc….. in a nutshell nothing you are missing
Already I'm trying to find out where Multi-One is made since you've mentioned they make the Vermeer brand. I've seen those Cast loaders on Stan Genedek's channel (Dirtmonkey) and even Josh from Stoney Ridge took a spin in two different models. Curious what Christy would've thought if she got to get at the controls. Part of me thinks that one of these are good for hardscapers and certain contractors. My uncle whom is an excavating contractor could probably use one of these.
Multione is Italian. Vermeer entered into a distribution agreement with multione to sell them in the US Under the Vermeer brand. Everywhere else in the world it’s called multione apart from the US
I hope they catch on in the USA. The versatility is great, but the price is 10-20k too much to complete with compact tractors, mini-skid-steers, and used larger skid-steers.
You missed the compact wacker loaders, I think they are some of the best. Were they at the show? Like the Schaffer in style.
I didn’t see them at this show. I doubt they would have been there due to the audience
Can you please let me know when the next show is coming I would love to attend you guys are excellent thank you
National Farm Machinery Show - Louisville, Ky Mid Feb ‘24. 11am each day at Deere booth…and some meetups at RhinoAg and Ventrac as well.
Impressive; would like to see more American!
Rayco would be great to see. Built in Ohio.
How do they compare to the Ventrac with its loader? Obviously a size and capacity difference.
We don’t have the Ventrac loader yet…coming soon. Having said that, these loaders will have higher capacity, and lift height. Also, the hydraulic flow is much higher.
However, Ventrac has many attachments built specifically for it. For example, the power rake on Vinny works MUCH better than on any other machine I’ve seen.
Can you float the loader or implement?
Great Video, where was Bobcat?? 😊
Discussed in the video. We have several in depth episodes on it in 2020.
@@TractorTimewithTimI did view that (great video).. wonder why CAT and JOHN DEERE doesn't have a baby size loaders... 😮.
Avant is best in class
Wow that Schaffer lifts that much with only a 25 hp?!
I would think a skid steer would be a great choice, Kubota SSV 65
I think you missed the entire point of the video LOL
I don’t think so, your just like Tim, an arrogant know it all!@@kdeckster
I'd need a cab for Minnesota winters 😂😂
They offer cabs. Most smaller ones without a/c
@@TractorTimewithTim that's a deal breaker without a/c 😆 🤣
@@petenolte4192 the problem is 25hp is not enough to run AC off of. AC will 'steal' 2-3hp from the engine capacity that's needed to run the main hydraulic pump. Anything above 25hp is subject to EPA regulations. So it's a bit of a trade-off.
@Miniloaders I am not sure about that, because some tractor makers are running enclosed cabs at the 25hp level with both ac and heat and I haven't heard any complaints 🤔
@Miniloaders hey I know but the cab is going to get hot in the summer
What’s the lift capacity?
What about 3pt forklift attachments?
Clunky. Thats my opinion anyway.
once you get used to the forks on the loader you will never want a fork lift or tractor or even a skid steer again. I have a Bobcat 2410 well two 2410 and a 2400 and I do not like any other any other than sit on rear articulated loader everything else is substandard thanks for the video
Of course they chose the green one.🙃
Ha! Ken mentioned that he hated that color of Green! (But we reminded him of the bright color of his shirt)!
Why not use a Kioti NX? It claims it can easily lift that. This also means one fewer piece of equipment.
Tractors do not do a good job with forks. The hydraulics are not smooth enough.
They ‘get by’ as we show in lots of videos, but as your business grows, something with smoother hydraulics makes pallet management easier.
I already have a JD 3720, not sure what the Kioti can do better than it?
@@kdeckster Kioti’s “thing” is absurd hydraulics flow for the tractor size. You lose some PTO HP to sometimes double the loader capability versus the green and orange.
It depends on what your need is though as far as I can tell. If you are heavily using your PTO this might not be very attractive. If you use your loader or a skid steer auger more, having 17 gpm vs 11gpm can be a difference
I think a forklift would be a better choice and only reason I say that is for over 37 plus years i drove them, and moved many loads of odd shaped materials.
Yeah, there is a reason that forklifts are used for material handling in warehouses. The only exception might be if you need to traverse uneven ground. There are rough terrain forklifts but they are typically larger machines. A standard forklift can get stuck on a flat driveway. :-)
Yup, hard to disagree. I have lots of experience with them too, even was a OSHA trained instructor for a while. I just don't want a single use machine taking up space.
Right@@eosjoe565 , we do have some uneven ground and transitions here, so it would need to traverse those too.
Great video but are they really worth the 60k price tag?
Quite powerful and flexible. Pretty impressive machines.
So how do you buy a Schaffer in the US? Their website is useless outside of Germany.
There was a distributor here. Can’t remember their names off the top of my head. Sorry.
Isn't oscillation helpful for traction?
Yes, as we illustrate
Also if you were to get one of your back wheels up on a little pile of dirt the oscillation helps keeping you balanced and will allow you to continue digging flat. This scenario happens a lot in an articulating machine because when coming into a pile anything but dead on, the bucket isn’t wide enough to be scooping up the material where the back wheels are going to run over.
I can’t comprehend that these are in the 60-70k range for a machine with roughly the same engine as my Kubota B2601. I get it, theres some distinct advantages, but is it really 3x the cost to build?
Hydraulics are expensive. Fancier hydraulic controls, many more valves, much more flow, but yes, even with that, they seem high. Maybe due to lower volume than tractors?
@@TractorTimewithTim Like commercial wood splitters and processors, this is a market I wish Kubota would enter.
I can see those backwards peddles costing a lot of sales. I wouldn't buy one over another brand just for that reason.
ALL the units with two pedals are what us tractors guys consider 'reversed'. I but think with some ingenuity they could be switched 😆
Honestly, I think it points out that tractors are the ones that are backwards. Afterall, cars have the go pedal on the right. …and reverse is sort of analogous to the brake.
@@TractorTimewithTim You do make a valid point and I did give that some thought. But especially if you have another tractor that has the peddles the other way that could be costly or even dangerous if you're working in tight areas and you mix them up. Just my 2 cents.
The crazy amount of money for these tiny things.
It is due to the hydraulic power on them
Their flow is much better than tractors and comparable to smaller skid steers.
Not only is flow much better, the hydraulic controls are much better as well.
@@jimmcknight3021 Are hydraulic pumps super expensive? Just because they have more flow and better hydraulic control, do they have to be 40% more costly?
Tim the Giant G3500 Z-Bar will lift 4630 pounds has a lift height of 129.6 inches the G3500 X-Tar will lift 6603 pounds lift height is 106.4 inches the G3500 TELE has a lift height of 169.8 inches they have a heat and air conditioning cab they have a 18.5 gpm hydraulic flow and top speed is 18.5 mph they run a Kubota 66 HP Diesel engine the lightest one is 7500 pounds the heaviest is 8710 pounds the width is 52.8 inches the height is under 92 inches the turning radius is 55.1 inches with the universal skid steer attach plate
Yes, but the G3500 is very large physically, and quite expensive.
@@TractorTimewithTim the models under it doesn’t have a heat and air conditioning cab
video idea: Venny maintenance ? My zero turn threw its second belt, drive belt ... Is Venny easier to work on?
Yeah, some of those belts are easy and some are real buggers. Especially if in the field when it happens.
Whatever happened to the 1025r channel?
Yea, I know. Sorry.
The pond project is something I simply had to get done. Unfortunately, 1025r just hasn’t been up to it.
We’ll try to get back to more 1025r content when we can.
Also a forklift is half the price of these new.
As someone who does tree work and has an avant... they need to stop making them plastic. Yes I understand keep material away from the panels but the best operator isn't always the one running the machine.
Way to high in price. Guessing just for commercial use. It’s always nice to see new equipment.
I think it is due to the extra hydraulic flow. You are basically getting a similar flow to the low end of the smaller skid steers without turf damage.
Wacker Neuson?!
I think it was a rebrand of one of these…but cannot remember exactly
These are good sidewalk snow removal and great for tree guys carrying logs. As a landscape contractor i would never purchase one. Terrible for grading and visibility grading. Terrible resale very small market
This must be sponsored or they are not comparing apples with apples or they simply cannot drive these machines. I have owned both Multione and avant … anyone who tells you avant is significantly better than Multione or vice versa has a biased agenda. There is not much between avant and Multione. Even something as simple as testing avant and cast on grass tyres while testing multione on tractor tyres and talking about the difference of agility … seriously?? It’s good to finally see content on articulated loaders and great general information on the loaders but probably don’t go as far as calling it a review and rank the brands.
Not sponsored. No bias intended. …and I don’t feel strongly about one over the other. Just an opinion.
Ken get tym tractor 2515 h
He has a tractor.
@@TractorTimewithTim but t y m can handle the weight is looking for
@@fullers1966I doubt it. Those specs are ‘at the pin’, not the usable lift capacity.
In my opinion, using the ‘at the pivot pin’ measurements is misleading, or flat out deception.