How long can my electric tractor loader run? (And MORE!)
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- čas přidán 1. 06. 2024
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@@XXPYR0XX IF negativity is all you can muster please reconcider saying nothing.
@Ebikeschool I'm all the way in South Africa and would like to get my hands on these. I've come to trust your reviews on these machines. Are you open to sharing where you order them from? I would want to buy from you but you mentioned you're only servicing North America at the moment
i think 6 hours is ALOT, thats awesome!!
These machines look fantastic. I worked in landscaping for many years and 6 hour is plenty of run time for a 8-10 hour workday (machines never run all day straight). These would make the jobsite so much more comfortable (diesel engine really cooks you in the summer).
Those are impressive. The landscape industry needs a mini skid steer that can carry a pallet of landscape pavers through a gate for backyards.
they already exist, though they lack the lift capacity to carry a full pallet of pavers or sod etc they are 36in wide and can lift 1000 w a tip capacity of 3000lb. theres many models from vermeer, Kubota, ditch witch and bobcat to name some. the slightly larger models can lift sod or pavers while being the same width if not smaller than the machine in the video....ditch witch has its sk1550 with a tip capacity up to 5600lb at 46in width, Vermeer has its ctx160 with a width of 42in and a tip capacity of 4500lb.... if your set on an articulated loader well vermeer has one at 45in of width with a 2000lb lift capacity....bobcat also has one though admittedly its weaker than both vermeer this nesher one
You have your foot in the door of a great enterprise! i am looking to build a new home on an acre site and I can see me needing a loader with multiple attachments. As a previous machine operator it's very nice to see someone concerned about the environment and construction equipment needs to change too. Lawnmowers first then on to the snowplow!
lol. Can you explain the environment friendly process of mining the lithium and cobalt for the batteries here…which have to be thrown away after 10-15 years?
@@FlyingAceAV8B @8:08 AGM batteries don't contain cobalt. They're essentially lead acid.
@@FlyingAceAV8B Well, first off they're AGM batteries, more than 98% recyclable, but all batteries can be recycled to some extent. Redwood Materials is building a plant outside Charleston NC. that will employ 1500 people to recycle lithium ion batteries, 100% recyclable.
I’m so surprised you are from Florida and you don’t hate China given the state of the media in US. As a Chinese living overseas it’s very refreshing to see and up lifting.
No one deserves to be hated because of who they are or where they are from. We’re a world of people, more similar than most of us realize.
I purchased a 3,000# mini excavator from china at the end of last year. I am quite pleased with my purchase. I got mine from a company named VOTE Machinery. I got the VTW-18S with an enclosed cab, Kubota D209 diesel engine, and a hydraulic thumb. I have made a few upgrades, but the tractor is very sound in it's construction and easy of operation. My favorite feature is the enclosed cab. Next is the expanding track width (40" to 48"), which allows back yard access through a standard sized fence gate. Minor but important improvements: More and better lighting, improved range of movement of the hydraulic thumb, I added a 2" receiver hitch to the center top of the blade, and more powerful drive motors for the tracks. I am working on designing a more convenient track tensioning system for the rubber tracks. Good luck with your endeavors. I enjoy watching your videos.
Micah great job on leading the charge on the electric revolution! I was an out of shape middle aged dude then I stumbled across some of your videos. I got an e-bike and use it as my daily commuter snow or sunshine. I've dropped 3 pant sizes, have more energy, but I'm still middle aged. I also have a few years experience operating diesel loaders and look forward to trying a Neshar loader!
Incredible what we could do here on our 5 acres with just the smaller loader and a few attachments. This is a great review, and your dad's property is the perfect demo site. I'm sold. Thanks.
I do a flat trade for my bobcat for one of these honestly. Just the idea of having all the electricity in case of a power outage. I know it takes some kind of DIY solution but that would be really cool to just have it fully charged in the winter if the power goes out hook up my electrical contraption and boom at least have heat in the house and a few lights and internet.
Oh man that part is not hard. Just make sure you have a large enough gauge wire for DC transmission, and a conduit-shielded wireway i to the home (or thru-plug).
What I would caution: heat is actually very demanding of the batteries, but it's totally not hard--just will be a big drain. PTC heater-fam combos are common car parts. The internet is easier and will last longer too. Either get a DC-DV transformer or get an inverter, some sensitive electronics need a pure sine wave inverter, which is more expensive.
@@mattphilip3266 my heat is all radiators. So it has about 500 watts of pumps.
So you'll probably consume less than the 500W at continuous runtime, but it's hard to say. I'm guessing your heat source is a combustion fuel: these will still need a fan motor (for air supply and/or exhaust) and controller to function, which you'll need to add to your electrical load, but these should be much less than your rad pump(s).@@hotrodhunk7389
It needs a full array of snow removal attachments. Perfect for sidewalks and small lots. And some sort of battery blanket too!
very true but i feel electric still has a cold issue that is not 100% fixed yet, in time it will be fixed
@@5tyxxit's the downfall of batteries, they hate cold.
@@iamaduckquack Just add a battery warmer pad. It's like a diesel engine heater but for electrics.
I can't wait for you to be able to get these to Canada!!!! Please please make sure to let us know!
Working on it. Thanks for your patience
@@micahsdad5388 So exciting!
Alibaba delivers to Canada.
Great for snow plowing! This would be great for Canadian properties too. Will keep you bookmarked when we move to the country.
It might not run as long in the cold. Still will get the job done though.
One little upgrade to have on those is to make sure the battery charger is lithium compatible. If i had one of those machines and in like 5 years (or however long it takes), the agm batteries went out, i would prefer to change them to lithium. (it might need some weight added to the back tho)
They get too light with Lithiums in them, we had to add weight to our units after doing a lithium swap (we bought 6 units from the same OEM.) In our service, full 8 hour shifts, we killed the batteries in ~300-500 cycles, with operator training (and our own management system) restricting the batteries to 80% discharge. So about 1-2 years. We ended up developing our own battery pack vs just buying random units in similar form factors. There's no real point in including a lithium compatible charger, given the cost difference of a good UL certified unit, and lack of a standard replacement. There's no way to know how users would modify them to support lithium. So not worth the liability to ship them 'lithium ready' unless he develops a standard kit.
@BadHaddy thanks for the feedback. I said like 5 years, with it being used for odd jobs around a small farm (not replacing a tractor), a homestead, or similar setting, what way, it would get much longer longevity compared to daily use of 8h shifts
Lithium is overrated. AGMs will work just fine.
@@volvo24091no it's not, i do camper conversions an lithium is superior to agm or lead, lighter, more compact, more energy dense, higher discharge rate, etc, just has the downside of a higher price point but it makes up for it in longevity
@@BadHaddywhat capacity and voltage did you go with for the lithium swap (I'm wondering if they can run on 96V nominal)?
Interesting, could be fun for small stuff. We recently had a 5 day power outage and the roads around us had trees and power lines down. I used my diesel tractor for many hours helping to clear the fallen trees and allow people to get out of the dead end road that leads to ours and 17 neighbors properties. I wouldn't have wanted to only have electric equipment, although I could have recharged them with my generator, diversity of fueling is a must in emergency situations.
6 Hours is pretty darn good. For snowplowing I think I would modify that blade a bit as it doesn't seem like it would do that great, but I could be wrong. More of a snow pusher would be a better idea I would think. Have you ever thought about bringing in towable boom lifts or such? I see a ton listed on a few of the sites they come in battery power and A/C which is amazing for home owners that don't want to use ladders to reach high areas.
Love the content! You do a great job! Thank you. Congrats to Nancy! You have another Wisconsin fan, we are in New Glarus!
Hail from la crosse
Great work Micah! Being an ebike enthusiast, I've been following your videos for several years and I'm really pleased to see you start this company and the ethics behind it. Kudos to your mum and dad for that too. I wish you every success.
Dude, you're very a hands-on guy. Preparing a whole manual for those machines really impressed me. Good luck with your new venture.
One piece of advise I have for you though is, (and I'm sure you already have this covered), to make sure you have an ironclad noncompete agreement with your suppliers. Otherwise, once you've made these machines popular, they might start bringing them in directly and undercutting your prices.
Not saying you shouldn't trust them, but have your back covered anyway. We've seen such in most African countries.
I like these machines. It's good to hear your company is taking off!
If you ever get a tractor with a three point linkage as well I’d be very interested! Do a lot of market garden construction and contracting and I’d love to get away from diesel. Also the ability to brush hog or flail…..
Congrats on your new company those are excellent machines.
You definitely need to do a colab video with @tractortimewithtim He tested a solectrac and does a lot of work with subcompacts. He's also a retired computer engineer, so he's not afraid of new tech. Great idea for a company!
Glad your new venture going well. Not in the market for this but still find your videos interesting
Congratulations on your new Business Venture, 💪
Wow, what wonderful machines. I can see a lot of uses for these, using regular batteries instead of lithium will make these easy to maintain in the future.
Very cool. I want a smaller one, like the little bobcats used in urban landscaping.
Thanks for sharing the Great info on the equipment, thanks and looking forward to your next video.
That was an impressive amount of pull-ups @ 20:40!
Please make sure the green on the original equipment matches all new stuff you bring in.. I love that green and it remind me of the construction transformers from when I was a kid. Love the videos, can't wait to be in a spot to pick on of these machines up.
Thanks Micah! I was curious about electric loaders in the US. We were going to build an outdoor RC car track a couple years ago and a little Nesher would be perfect. (We didn't, life happened.) Would have been nice for sure...
Thanks for the info on your new venture. Like like fun machines for the occasional user. Keep up the content, and I'm still waiting and entering for my free e-bike
Congratulations ! You sure have amazing ideas !
Excellent! You are blessed my friend.
Looks like these have some Promise. I am actually looking for a front loader to be able to move snow when we get lake effect in Buffalo, NY. Reading the comments below most people have a lot of the same questions. How will the battery hold up in low temps. Most people are interested in the 4 degree to 25 degree range.....yes some parts of Canada and the NW USA get sub zero....but I think sub zero you need diesel or gas as batteries are going to struggle in that kind of temp. Secondly, the Li swap....being lighter is not a huge issue as you can add weight to the back bumper to compensate....Or just add more Li to extend run time and range. Now what would really get me salivating is having a cab on the smallest unit for dealing with the cold and winds, second is the ability to charge from a 220 car charger (didn't see anyone ask about this). If it takes 6 hours to charge on 110, you could probably charge it in 2 hours with a car charger. Not sure if you would have to go Li, but for those of us in snow country we are mostly looking at snow removal and outfitting it for cold weather. Having the smaller model with some heat, a cab and ability to fast charge would be huge.
Looking forward to the excavator video. You probably already have the first batch, but one of the most useful things to me on an excavator is a good hydraulic thumb.
nice equipment glad your eventually coming to canada...those containers would make a slick garage to store them in a few panels on the roof for charging them win win situation
If I needed one of these I would buy it from you Micah. Your honesty and transparency has always shined through.
I have enjoyed your videos for years now, and it's so good to see you capitalizing on the honest reputation you have built over those years.
Peace brother!
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Had no idea these were a thing and I want one. We will be getting a little hobby farm in the next year and am looking forward to getting in thouch with your company when the time comes.
Great job on the video Micah! Thanks for making it. Now I just want to go buy some land on which I can use one of these cool machines.
This was brilliant. Thanks for your indepth effort.
Glad you enjoyed it!
I live on a pistachio ranch in California. We use an auger pretty often, and our backhoe is honestly too large for the trenches we make. It's currently down for repairs 😕
If there were an attachment for dragging the ground to pull weeds out of the orchard that would be great! I like how narrow the machines are since it would need to fit in between rows of trees.
As always, thanks for the great content. Imma buy your solar book soon.
thanku for the chance to get a ebike, like u say they are alot out ebikes out of most of our budget.s Love the knowledge u give on all your videos!
sparked lots of ideas for adaptibility to canadian winters. The container could convert to something and also towable mowers? I wonder if it could handle a box plow/silageesque blade. Do you have any plans on going to a show or having a hands on event? Great videos!
a modular battery assembly that can be swapped with a fully charged one might also be good for longer operations and making battery maintenance easier, perhaps even onboarding the charger for simplicity. also a snow blower attachment?
These little machines seem great. I wish I had the money for one myself. I will one day be able to buy one from you.
As a way you could improve the loaders coming from someone who works on a farm driving one daily I'd suggest to put an arm rest with the joystick on the end attached to the seat so it moves with you and so that you would have more steady control over the boom of the loader for driving on uneven ground because I'd imagine it would be hard enough working daily in one and the joystick low down while you higher up whilst somewhat bouncing around I could be wrong but I'd still rather have the joystick built into an armrest built into a suspension seat and would near put me off getting one but apart from that it some pice of equipment for the money and it's capability
Great video.. great equipment... I love how easy it is to get a Battery thats wonderful.. tell Nesher always use those batteries please
Wow this is so cool ....good luck with this new business 😊
Excellent . A Rock Breaker and a trencher attachment and a point claw attachment would be essential in my work and location. I looked at the digging pressure on your site 16 MPA , for the excavator attachment , and that's about 2300ish PSI? That is quite a bit lower ( half that) of a gas powered mini excavator or backhoe. Having an upgrade for the hydraulic pressure would be great , especially for areas with hard and rocky soil..Maybe you can do a digging test through really compact 300-500 psi ground with lots of rock?... next to a mini X? might be a good test to run..I'm sure it would be easy to engineer the hydraulic system to compete with a mini X or backhoe with a few engineered components....otherwise itb might not be very practical out here in the desert south west where we have 300 psi soils ( unlike Florida digging through sand) ...but I know it could be engineered with the right tweeks to keep up. Please show the digging test..the MPA through reallu compact earth next to a mini x.thanks
Im conserned about battery life in cold weather. I used to own an electric mini excavator but I made the mistake of storing it outside the first winter and it totalled the batteries. Maybe a little insulating cover and a little heating element with a temp sense for when its plugged in as an optional addition you can buy? We ended up just putting Fiberglass insulation around the batteries on mine and set the batteries on a heating pad with an in line temp shut off.
Absolutely made up for you, so glad the response to you bring these to market has been so positive….👍👌
That is so cool to see and hear how successful this business ideas has mushroomed into Good Luck!
A snowblower attachement and mowing attachement would be great an almost a guaranteed buy for me
Those pull-ups are impressive!
Awesome update to your new adventure. Makes me want to get some property so I can justify purchasing one.
wow congrats, great business idea and model. I had purchased a China made flail mower it was a BEAST the biggest issue was abuse second biggest issue was parts availability great job with ordering spare parts. Best of luck. Sharing.
Would be good to see a lithium ion battery upgrade
a word of caution about the snowplow. they normally have trip protection or whatever you call it where if it catches it can tip forward and release what it caught to prevent damage. whats keeping it from just tipping all the time ate some pretty beefy springs
if you could get the subcompact tractor that can use existing 3 point impliments at 15k price point, that would actually sell out easy, most common uses is basically seasonal maintance so, loader for snow, driveway maintenance brush hog or belly mower for summer cutting
Interesting machine, looks like a minimized copy of an articulated loader I had years ago called a 'Swinger', even down to it's' green paint. Had heavy use from it and very few problems. Used it for lots of snow and had a bucket that was twice as big as the dirt bucket.
Good run time for 'warm weather' wonder what would happen in the '20's F, or below. Adding heated cab might really lower run time.
My question as well (cold weather run time). Also if loader arm control has float position detent.
Thank you, sir! I have had a Kabota tractor for years and if these things would get an attachment to mow my 6 acres then 😍I would appreciate that!
Dude, these are awesome! I'd love to get some land and have one of these.
Why agm, lifpo4 are so cheap now. 12V 100 Ah for less then $190. Can discharge to 5%. Just don't charge it at 0F. Or buy ones with self heating. 3000-10000 charge cycles
Did you forget the DET fluid in your diesel time cost. That extra expense to meet emissions really ticks people off. The low noise is really nice for working in town. Less annoying for the owner and neighbours. Nice products
When I used to live on 3-1/2 acres, these would have been greata d I would have definately bought one from you. I own a Lectric bike based on one of your reviews. I almost hate to use either corded or gas powered tools now or equipment. I hope this really takes off for you, you seem to be a veryhonest and genuine person.Also, based on the video, are you keeping the shipping containers now? With that much equipment coming in, you might even have a market for them.
Great video, would love a free book!
Thanks for these great videos about this electric equipment. That calls for a Lithium Battery Upgrade of these loaders on my channel... at some stage😉
That is a very nice loader . This would work great for my yard projects
GREAT INFORMATION. KEEP IT UP.
I like the idea. Is there a finish mower or bush hog option?
Excellent 👍
Can it reverse power for an emergency power source?
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Mazel Tov! This is such a great product to bring to the states.
as a person with autism and just general sensory processing issues, the low noise levels of electric vehicles like these is one of the most amazing things about them, i dream of a future where i can be near construction and not risk having a panic attack
Oh WOW run time is great on those!
I plow snow here with mt lill D4 dozer [overkill] but it works as does the ruck plow.
I can see there would be so many uses for those lill machines up here in the North
from the 2 or so hours of snow plowing the driveway to summer time lifts from pipes, trees to engines, trenching [in favorable soil]
like my D4 it as multiple uses, so these lill machines offer even more!
up here tire chains [I can make those to fit] will be needed [actually Ive used tire chains on equipment in mud too as it helps in many places you need a lill extra traction.
what are the requirements to power the chargers?
I would definately love to see a fully enclosed version of these with a heat pump system in it for heating and cooling. Also maybe a version that is slightly more standard tractor like with the 3 point system on the back of it with a swivel seat and controls that work forward and backward (so probably 90% joystick based movement/turning)
You could potentually try to design an electric PTO that hooks directly up to the attachment instead of it having 2 U joints. but that is if you want to be hyper efficient.
Love these little machines😊
These are really interesting machines!
This is great, I’m in Jamaica and would love to discuss franchising with you as I’ve found importing from China to be a bit hit and miss.
You are an inspiration.
Will you eventually try to find, “or expand” to electric skid steers?
Congrats on your business taking off. What a great niche to fill!
May sound crazy but a 120V plugin (transfromer) option could really help for some tasks (post hole digging, ...) that are near power.
These look great! I'd probably get one of these to replace my current tractor when it breaks If the attachment plate is the same as a John Deere so I can reuse my existing loader attachments.
Sounds like a great business you've started, selling those useful machines. Well done.
bang a solar panel on the roof for a run time helping hand and if you absolutely need it, i'm sure it's not difficult to upprage batteries to ones with more energy density. Sure there's more cost but not hard to improve run time if you have to.
I saw you digging a small trench. Do you know of any electric, purpose-built trenching machines equivalent to a Ditch Witch C24X or similar? Maybe more of a rental machine given the single use. Maybe even a trenching attachment for the loaders?
I have owned a few towable bucket (cherry pickers), two gas (40' + 56') and two battery powered (40'). Battery power is the way to go, quiet, usable indoors and lighter. Now retired, interested in something like your articulated tractor.
Can you replace the AGM batteries with lithium batteries? I don't want to just assume a battery is a battery so any battery would work with these.
Looks like a pretty nice lineup of equipment your starting to sell. If I ever end up getting property and moving out of the city I'd probably look into investing in one of these.
I’ve been using my Kubota BX23 for the last 20 yrs plowing snow. I just use the bucket. They didn’t make fancy attachment swapping back then. Everyone knows the reputation Buffalo NY has for snow. My Kubota has never failed to perform. I would be concerned about the batteries of these machines in constant sub freezing temperatures. How is the machine doing that you sent to Wisconsin? Let’s go to Wisconsin and see how it’s doing in the snow.
This video is great. Just to comment that a bobcat is generally going to be able to move 2x as much weight over those hours a day so its not a 1:1 comparison, but the price point is justified for your target buyers for sure - this can also fit into smaller spaces.
That's amazing. Nesher is going to be the next John Deere!
John Deere manufacture.
I would love to have something like this with an auger that can drill into rock for fence posts and such. I feel like the weight of the batteries and the relatively low power application would be perfect for that.
I can't wait for the one that can lift 3000lbs!!! I currently have a JDeere 1025R & have many pallets around my property of Pavers, Stone thinys, Cinder Blocks. Each pallet of them weight about 3k lbs so I am dead in the water over here with my limited JDeere capacity.
Hurry, get them in Plse!
I really like your front end, electric, loader. I saw that one model had a rear trailer hitch. Can you show what the machine can tow and how much weight it can tow. Thank you for your videos. keep them coming.
They all have the tow ball. With the enormous torque of the dual electric drive motors we are assuming they are more limited by traction then weight within reasonable parameters. Best regards
I was just going to fire off an email about will there be electric mini excavators in the future. Wow this is fantastic hopefully you will have one with pilot controls soon. Looking forward to your future videos.
Just wanted to backup that you can buy AGM batteries anywhere. Sure their energy to weight ratio is poor compared to NMC or LFP but you don't need to worry about the barn burning down and these machines need the weight anyway.
Correct on all points.
Nice videos my friend hope your nersher company does really well, good luck from the U.K
Working with one of the newer batyeru companies to offer a Lipo battery upgrade for these would be awesome.
Very cool and super useful. Also you could easily upgrade this with some lifepo4 batteries for even more capacity and usable depth of discharge (if 6hrs wasn’t enough)