Should Catholic Priests Be Allowed To Get Married? | The Catholic Talk Show
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In this episode of The Catholic Talk Show, the guys are joined by Fr. Justin Fletcher, a married Catholic priest, to discuss priestly celibacy and whether or not priests should be allowed to get married.
In this episode, we discuss:
• The history of priestly celibacy in the Catholic Church
• Why some Catholic priests are allowed to get married
• Does celibacy contribute to sexual abuse?
• What are the challenged married priests face?
• What are the challenges celibate priests face?
• Will allowing married priests solve the priest shortage?
• Has there ever been a married pope?
• and much more!
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The Orthodox have married priests, BUT they marry before ordination. Once ordained in the Major Orders (Bishops, Priests, and Deacons), you CANNOT marry. To answer the question "Should priests be allowed to marry?", the answer is NO.
Married people can be priests but priests cannot marry
A fitting time to discuss this, considering that the Amazon synod is coming up in about a month. Originally I was all for married priests. I believed it was the best way to solve the priest shortage in that area. It’s only recently that I realized that Amazonian Catholicism is in no way going to be improved by introducing more laxity to people who’ve not been properly catechized in the first place.
Edit: I also understand that married priest are in no way compatible with the Latin rite. Though even if they concocted some new rite for the Amazon, it would not be appropriate for their situation.
Those are fallacies. You have a monk, Gregory the Great, who became Pope and felt why don't we make everyone a monk about 1000 years into the life of the Church. It really killed the Church especially after the monks got female clergy banned from ordination.
This has resulted in a relaxation of ecclesiastical discipline for Christians in the RCC. Canons apply only to religious and clergy.
It doesn't help to boost your vocations. That is what people are discovering that a married permanent deacon is as good as a priest and no one is buying the monastics propaganda anymore.
Clerical celibacy may save the RCC money but the cost is in souls and vocations. When you admit 100 Seminarians and ordain 5 it is definitely not an issue of shortages
The rule is married men can become ordained but the ordained cannot be married. Thats the rule
For Catholics who fully understand the faith and the bible understand that being a priest is truly the MOST important job on earth.
May we all pray for them and may God bless them!
Hi ! CISSY DAVIS, according to the bible the hardest thing of the Christian life is to deny yourself and carry the cross, to love you enemies to preach the Gospel and expect rejection or even death for preaching the Gospel of Jesus Christ.
The Catholic priesthood has been nullified by Jesus 2,000 Years ago. It is obsolete and blasphemous . All this is explained in the book of Hebrews,from chapter 5 to the end if the book. The priesthood in the catholic system just void a religious practice pave with good intencions but docents acknowledge what Jesus accomplished in the cross. We are are saints and priest in God's eyes. Our body is the temple of the holy spirit and we offered "surrender "our body daily as a holy sacrifice (not for forgiveness of our sins) but as to obedience to denied ourselves and carry the cross.
Only Jesus is our holy priest because he was the only one that shead his blood for the remission of our sins. Please read the book of Hebrews and I will pray for to see christ as pur only priest ,not man ! That was abolished by the cross and the new covenant of the spirit.
Thank you all for this very helpful discussion. You all were so positive about it and reasonable. I really needed to hear this at this time because I just read a book which was autobiographical about a priest who secretly married and had repeatedly broken his vows of celibacy. The book was called Unholy Silence. It made me feel angry. It also was demoralizing and very depressing. I needed to hear your sound judgment and hear you talk about how it is supposed to work. Please keep covering these topics. I really felt comforted by your discussion.
Thank you also for mentioning the culture of immorality in which we are living which does have an influence on the priests who have fallen. It is important to take account of that.
Hey
Christ be with you
The Lack of priest is not due to lack of numbers but lack of Faith.
Allowing married priests is not the answer but returning Faith particularly in the Holy Eucharist back to the Church.
God bless you
MrKev1664 1 Now the Spirit expressly says that in later times some will depart from the faith by devoting themselves to deceitful spirits and teachings of demons,
2 through the insincerity of liars whose consciences are seared,
3 who forbid marriage and require abstinence from foods that God created to be received with thanksgiving by those who believe and know the truth.
4 For everything created by God is good, and nothing is to be rejected if it is received with thanksgiving,
5 for it is made holy by the word of God and prayer. (1 Timothy 4:1, ESV)
I agree but in the mean time solid men with good families could help fill the void long enough. Especially if they’re traditionalist. It’s a catch 22 right now
@@mattbellacotti
Christ be with you
I think it is better to have a few faithful men rather than a lot of unfaithful.
God bless you
I love your show guys!!! .I'm watching from Cuba.Thanks and God bless you!!!.
OLW in Houston is a major blessing from God! Thanks, Fr. Fletcher!
I totally agree with all that was said. Great hearing from Father Fletcher would definitely like to hear more from him. I want to hear more from all our wonderful priests both present and past. Especially Father Maximilian Kolbe. 🌟🙏
I appreciate Fr. Justin taking the time to hear the man's confession, over his son's game. It is a shame, confession times have been cut to such a short time. Even cancelled and no other time during the week, to have the opportunity for the Sacrament. Thank you for this show.
How can you be married to the
Church and also be married to a woman?
That's the point!
Becoming a catholic priest is like marrying the church of Christ.
Would God disapprove?
@@ABC-jt9cm I'm not asking if God disapproves I'm asking a basic church question
@@ujue1966
Pretty easy.
Orthodox Priest.
Married to the church is an expression formed very later as part of theologizing celibacy. Atleast when Jesus chose the 12, majority of them were married. So marital status cannot be counted a scale for priesthood.
In our diocese, we had two men who became priests after their wives passed.
Since there have been married priests during the Church history, and since there are some few today, I think there should be some married priests at some level. For example, it would be better if the diocesian priests be married, since they don't live in a community, in a religious order. This I think would be also a good example for the catholic families. Since the family today is in crisis, a priest could lead such families in problems by his own example, since he knows how it is to raise a family, and a celibate priest has never raised children and doesn't know.
Problem is most priests don't get enough money to support a priest and his family. There is no way my parish could support them.
Priests have married in the past but had to be celibate. Common troubles maintaining the requirement are why priests no longer get married in the Latin Rite.
R D So we have to use celibate priests because they must be cheap? That is not very appreciative of their calling.
The Archivist and not to forget the economic reason: the problem of alienating church property when the priest had children who were ready to inherit.
@@jaqian you know wifes can work too right :D
Thank you for explaining . God bless all of you n the great talk .
One of your most informative shows!
Men Have a choice To Serve a wife Or The Church Of Christ Jesus
James Dowds ..... William cloud is. totally uneducated
Pedophiles want children not an adult !
The Byzantine Catholics will not agree with you and they are as Catholic as the Romans.
In the early years of the church they had married priest so why would it be a problem now ?
Fluffy McNutter right
Did you watch the show? They answered that.
We still have married priests now. The eastern catholics have married priests, the western too has married priests. Married men can become priests but priests cannot marry
No...... If you wanna be married, don't become a priest. It's that simple.
Prayers Help So then Eastern Catholic priests shouldn’t be priests? Interesting theory you have there.
It’s sort of ridiculous seemly it should be a choice. The Bible talks about bishops and priest being the husbands of one wife. There is nothing wrong with a married catholic priest.
Such a good show !!!
If you can't be celibate don't become a priest.
Celibacy for Priests is a Discipline, not doctrine. It can be changed as other Disciplines have.
They have allowed ministers who are married from other denominations 2 become priests. So what's the big deal
cocolocooz , yes it can be changed, it’s just not a wise idea. If a man can’t be celibate then don’t become a priest. Dying to oneself and carrying our cross daily is doctrine.
You don't have a shortage of vocations you have a shortage of celibacy compliant people. And now priests who are incontinent are seen as hypocritical. So they damage the faith.
Letting those who want to marry and those who don't to pursue their vocation will save you all a lot of stress. It's not like willing nuns and compliant housewives are in large supply either. The disgrace affect all Christians. It's not worth it.
When God choose Aaron the priest at the time of Moses, Aaron had 4 sons, all ready but did God made any rule whether a person should B married or not married. The priest wood starter from Aaron. And when Paul write to Timothy in his letter he clearly mention ch 3 v1 and onwards.
This topic is dealt with with discretion. If you have other topics to talk about, better.
Very good topic that must be discussed. I love the Pope Pius clock on the wall
Celibacy is a amazing gift that continues to enrich not only the Church but also the person who lives it. I love Fr.Pagano speaks about the moments of feeling lonely or at times. This is normal for all who lives in a celibate state. I have been celibate for almost 10 years and I has not killed me! I love the freedom that I have found in Christ thru celibate life. When moments of loneliness creeps in my beloved is a prayer away and it goes away and life goes on!
Great, great show! Congratulations guys!!!!!!!
To become a celibate priest is a personal decision it is not force, if the priest decides to marry then leave. There are so married Pastors that are not faithful. If you are not faithful as celibate priest mostly likelihood you will not faithful as non celibate priest. What is unfolding is that the society isinfluencing the church more than the church even making churches to abandon key biblical principles . In the time of Christ on earth He and Apostles worked to influence the society but now the politicians and various society groups detect for the church, therefore if you decide to be celibate remain it is more honourable.Jesus told His disciples leave everything and follow me.
Show me where it says in Holy scripture where it's a Biblical mandate to be a celibate priest ?
@@jeanmichel3913 Jesus called His Apostles to leave everything and follow Him and they remain with Him and not with their families St Paul stressed the importance of celibacy in work of apostleship for which the priests represent, in the Catholic congregations.
@@patrickigwilo3624 This Contradicts Scripture no matter how much you would like to Defend the church. Read 1Timothy 4:3.
@@jeanmichel3913 let me carefully inform you that you are the one in error your understanding about the scriptures is shallow read and make references to other passages there are so many men of who never married prophet Elijah, St Paul who said it is better to remain single to focus on the things of God but where you are not disciplined go and marry . The Holy scripture says a man should be joined to a woman but did not say all men, therefore is a personal decisions. Nowhere in the Holy Scriptures marriage is made compulsory. Read the Rev 14 (3_5) they are those who never defile themselves with women they follow the Lamb of God whenever He goes ,thank you.
@@patrickigwilo3624 why are you leaving out the part where it says it is better to marry than to burn with lust? The same st.paul you just quoted also said this. So tell me again where in the bible priest have to remain celibate to serve our lord?
A pretty cool discussion, keep up men of God your educating a lot of people
We were spoiled for centuries with an over abundance of priest. The world has become larger than we could’ve foreseen. Hopefully in this 21st century more men will look into priesthood and families will produce young men who will care this calling
Married priesthood is a tradition of the church. The Eastern Catholics should be allowed to have married priesthood. Roman Catholics can decide if they want to keep Celibacy for all priests in that tradition or hash it out in a council amongst themselves. Both are equally valid and proper. We shouldn’t disparage one form over the other.
There is no indication of st paul being married that is speculation.
One thing I don’t understand in catholicsm. Why can’t priests or the pope marry, when the Bible states Peter had a wife. Example being when peters mother in law was healed. Matt 8:14-15, mark 1:29-31, Luke 4:38-39 and 1st Corinthians 9:5. Hopefully this video clears it up for me hitting play now!
@@helloman1051 so as a married man, and a new baptized convert to Catholicism. I can join the priesthood?
That’s what I want to do, but I didn’t know if it was possible or not.
Thanks for getting back to me, and hopefully you can answer this one aswell for me.
I agree partially with what you are saying The Bible does not teach you have to be celebrated it is a gift and a great thing but it is not a requirement Speaking as a Nazarene
Priest are called to fully give themselves to Christ and his Church !!! How can they give themselves body and souls have that shield around them for their Holy work if they have wives and children to see to!!! Running a Parish is very difficult theses day and needs a Priest full union with God to manage his flock... if a Priest was to marry then it should be a lesser post as they would be more in the world than a none married person... men whom become a Priest and are married should be able to serve but should be known as a Priests assistant in some way without it being disrespectful!!! Still do very similar role but having to go to The Priest for full guidance .. otherwise we are truly loosing our religion ... then married women can become nuns ? Don’t get me wrong there are many many lay people who do Gods work loyalty lovingly. I’m a member of the Ligion of Mary and do great works for God but sometimes I carnt participate as I have to see to family matters because I chose to get married and have a family!!! A Priest must put Christ first to fully Severn His will in all things✝️✝️✝️God bless
Go and learn the history of the church..
Peter was married too, yet he fulfilled all his duties for the church..
@@seylanmadhusanka2198
Yea, it's a synagogue of SATAN!
It's harder on marriages to due away with priestly celibacy.
See 1 Timothy 4:1-3.
I read this, don’t understand. It also says abstinence from foods. I think this is a reach.
OMG thank you for this. I just discovered my priest is married w/ children and I didn't wanted to ask him how is this allowed? I never knew this existed. I almost left thinking I joined the wrong church! I'm Roman Catholic and went to Catholic school and I never heard of this. So do they live in the same house and share a bed? I know this is a very personal question, but I can't wrap my head around this. How can you be celibate and lay in bed with your spouse? Is this what is happening in Germany?
Theyre not celibate but are required to be chaste. And chasitity can be within marriage ie loyal and faithful to their spouse. Also married priests are required to practice incontinence (no sex) prior to celebration of mass. Forgot how long but around a day i think.
@@markv1974 so I'm a bit perplex about this whole thing how can they be married to the church and be married to a spouse? Does this have anything to do with the similarities of Germany and the schism?
I was having this conversation about with my friend who is not Catholic, and it was hard for me to explain, because i think priests should be able to marry. but i can see your point, and you bring up very valid points. i've in fact, countered my own points struggling with this, so it's good fuel for the fire of internal debate at least.
As Pope Paul said, “The smoke of Satan has crept into the Church.”
What about Nuns ? We need input from the Sisters on the show. God is Love.and I personally think he would want all to have a life-long partner to share his Love.
Robert Dowler Nuns are monastics. Monastics have never been married, from the earliest days of the Church. Marriage is not an impediment to the Priesthood, but it is an impediment to Monasticism. By definition, monastics MUST be celibate.
Yes, St. Peter was married. But he also said that they (Apostles) left everything for Christ (Matthew 19:27). And in response Christ said, "And everyone who has left houses or brothers or sisters or father or mother OR WIFE OR CHILDREN or fields for the sake of My name will receive a hundredfold and will inherit eternal life".(Matthew 19:29).
St. Clement of Alexandria,
"But the latter (Apostles), in accordance with their particular ministry, devoted themselves to preaching without any distraction, and took their wives with them *NOT AS WOMEN WITH WHOM THEY HAD MARRIAGE RELATIONS*, *BUT AS SISTERS*, that they might be their fellow-ministers in dealing with housewives. I t was through them that the Lord's teaching penetrated also the women's quarters without any scandal being aroused (Stromata 3:6:53 [A.D. 202]).
Celibacy is a discipline of the church and unfortunately has had the unintentional consequence of a Haven for infiltration of the church by homosexual men. Additionally, the church had other ulterior motives to move to celibacy. Priests and Bishops owned property, land and treasure that complicated legacy and transfer of wealth to families or to the church upon death. The church wanted to keep and maintain land, title and treasure and therefore, implemented the discipline of celibacy. The church points to Jesus as the Supreme example of celibacy, however, as noted we know that married priest were allowed untill around the 12th century A.D. in the Roman Catholic rite. The church needs both married and celibate clergy in order to provide checks and balances. As the married priest mentioned it is likely that a married priest will have many children and potentially have a son become a priest, which has positive implications to the number of priests able to serve. This also implies a farther reach into the community as an example of what a Holy marriage should be. One of the main detractors for men becoming priests is the fact that celibacy is required. If this discipline is corrected to optional, then more men will be attracted to the service of the priesthood, this is evident in the number of deacons beginning to outnumber the priests in the United States. So the answer to the question of celibacy or not? is YES! I do not agree with father about sacrifice, marriage requires much sacrifice, albeit in the domestic church at home. It is important that fruits can be produced by both married and unmarried priest. The original command is to go forth and multiply. Just different fruits, not better or higher fruits.
your history is off
How is it father you are married . Please explain . Thanks n God bless !
He explains it in full at 07:49
Thank you n God bless two great catholic priests n company .
You cant use st Peter as your argument because we dont know if she was alive or not.
I really like both ways of married priests and celibate priests alike.
Being a married priest is not something to be amazed .it was the tradition of church in history. And it is the custom of our eastern catholic / orthodox brothers too.
And remember all the apostles but john were married and yet they all did their best for the church..
God works in many and mysterious ways ...
Celibacy is a personal choice. It doesn’t matter you are priests or not, you can choose celibacy.
Jesus had never mentioned about celibacy and this was definitely not what Jesus asked His apostles to do. Based on the Bible, Celibacy is defiantly not a requirement to serve God so why we make it a requirement ?
Hi, I have question mind. Since priest in general are called to be celibate. Are married priest required also to abstain from being intimate with their spouse after becoming a priest or are they the total exception? Because I'd like to think priest across the board are called for sexual abstinence after ordination whether married or not specifically those who belong in Roman Rite. That at least in this extent they are uniform in practising ther sexual ethics. I hope someone can enlighten me in this.
Celibacy is not a mandate for priesthood. It is chastity. It applies both for married priest and non married priests. Married priest can have children and live a normal family life.
Fr. Fletcher your the best!!! Laughed so hard when I heard "Hardest part of priestly celibacy is when he has the flu." My wife refuses to believe that I am sick, and has no time for my bronchitis!
That's called faith. You're declaring that you're sick. She's declaring you healed.
A load of confusion in this one. The answer is: No - A priest cannot get married, his ordination precludes this. May a married man become a priest; the answer is: Yes. So, the only problem is: Under what circumstances may a married man become a priest .. and it is this set of issues that the up-comping Amazon Synod seeks to obscure (for, it seems, ulterior motives, as always).
Very few married men - of proven virtue - would have the time, support, availability, and peace to undertake the studies to meet the earth-staggering demands of the Catholic priesthood. This was less so in the earlier days of the Church, for wealthy, successful, and established men had the wherewithal to do the work - and if a pagan such a Pater Familias had already been a 'priest' of sorts but a hieros / sacerdos/ prayer-leader .. what he was not was a presbyteros / presbyter / prester (an elder in the local church aka Catholic priest). As a city father and a local big wig - exercising unthinkable powers of authority, justice, teaching - the idea of calling him out to visit some poor old beggar woman in a dirty hovel up an insalubrious part town, in the second watch of the night, to offer comfort, penance, and the last rites .. would not have sat well together .. visiting a local dignitary's sick wife, with understanding, at a reasonable time, and as part of the patrician's role, well, that would be different. This kind of Viri Probati (called to assist the local bishop) is not at all what Catholics have come to understand of the priesthood, totally dedicated to their spiritual needs.
Ordinary local countryside (aka pagan) Catholic priests did not require college qualifications or have a seminary training, they were more or less like their neighbours .. tied to the ground. No bishopric for them, no far-flung secretarial duties, no major city or imperial posts; enough Latin or Greek to read and write, sufficient time to do an apprenticeship learning the books and rites; and just about sufficient confidence to speak the Mass or a sermon or two .. even if it was garbled into Hocus Pocus (in the ears of the sniffy elite). This sort of twin-track type of priesthood is still the common manner of the Eastern (aka Orthodox) Rites, it is the settlement accepted by the Ordinariate et al; it is not, however, the way of the English Church (Anglican or Episcopalian), here unmarried priests can marry (perhaps also divorce, and who knows even re-marry) - and this permissiveness applies to any priest of either gender (and, in some places, of whatever sexual taste); it does not take too much of a rocket-science mind to work out which model is the objective being pursued by the German Church's movers and shakers in further Lutheranising what little is left of the Church in communion with Rome.
www.newyorker.com/news/on-religion/the-lutheran-pastor-calling-for-a-sexual-reformation
Correlation does not equal causation. Obviously I agree priests should not get married, but no one who knows what they are talking about does.
@@LostArchivist I wonder about that little assertion, TA. Lots of souls who should know what they are talking about .. either do not, or they do not speak of what they do know. It's a bit of a human flaw, especially among those most prone to making off-the-cuff comments (politicians etc).
The whole show is not about married men being priests, as long since permitted in the Latin Rite - under regular conditions .. nor is it a matter of widening the scope of these rules. Here the unspoken point is to allow priests to get married - to admit sexual equality to the ordained ministries - and to undermine the meaning of ordination farther than it has already gone. If some still do not see or believe it, then the handling of Amoris Laetitia should be more than a wake-up call - as to how footnotes, proper interpretations and obfuscating papal silences have worked .. within the Modernist cause.
:o) God bless.
TheLeonhamm 1 Now the Spirit expressly says that in later times some will depart from the faith by devoting themselves to deceitful spirits and teachings of demons,
2 through the insincerity of liars whose consciences are seared,
3 who forbid marriage and require abstinence from foods that God created to be received with thanksgiving by those who believe and know the truth.
4 For everything created by God is good, and nothing is to be rejected if it is received with thanksgiving,
5 for it is made holy by the word of God and prayer. (1 Timothy 4:1, ESV)
I think that there could be a case for married priests but only where they're 50yrs+ and the kids are grown up.
Peter left his wife didnt he? Scripture says he left everything behind
In my opinnion I think all of the apostles left everything.
I would become a Catholic Priest if I could marry. The New Testament does not forbid marriage for Christians or ‘Priests’.
Why They Want Catholic To Change Jesus Words 🙏🏻
Oh nooo!! I can’t relate at all😞
So beautiful what all these holy men talk about. I am truly amazed and grateful to God.
Hey
Christ be with you
In the early Church, men could marry but when they became deacons and especially priest they were expected to remain celibate.
For we learned that many priests and deacons of Christ, long after their ordination, have produced offspring both from their own wives and even through filthy liaisons, and defend their sin with this excuse, that it is read in the Old Testament that the opportunity to procreate was given to priests and ministers.
Pope Siricius 385 A.D.
God bless you
MrKev1664 1 Now the Spirit expressly says that in later times some will depart from the faith by devoting themselves to deceitful spirits and teachings of demons,
2 through the insincerity of liars whose consciences are seared,
3 who forbid marriage and require abstinence from foods that God created to be received with thanksgiving by those who believe and know the truth.
4 For everything created by God is good, and nothing is to be rejected if it is received with thanksgiving,
5 for it is made holy by the word of God and prayer. (1 Timothy 4:1, ESV)
Can a married priest get divorced?
No. All priests married and non married are supposed to be chaste.
All are humans and humans are born with somekind of tendencies .....so restricting someone from their primary needs not seems good ....I strongly recommend for the marriage of priests.
Sex is not a primary need! To say so you are reducing human beings to animals! Relationships with people are a primary need and we as humans are able to have relationships with people that aren't sexual. Nobody is forcing men to be celibate priests, they choose to be of their own free will.
This is for 1214gooner.
I can't comment to you directly for some reason.
Yes, it is a good thing that within the Eastern Orthodox tradition that a Priest can be a married man, and can have a healthy sexual relationship with his wife and she with her husband, just as God Intended for His creation.
In ¹Corinthians 7, Saint Paul even goes on to say "I have no commandment from the Lord" meaning that what he goes on to say is more of a personal statement which he is encouraging.
Also he never mentions Priests specifically, but rather talks in a more general sense.
It would be best for those who have wives to live as though they did not, meaning in a sexual sense, only if they have the will power to abstain from sex and other sexual activities that could lead someone into sin.
Such as fornication or adultery.
But it is far better for you to have a wife and have a healthy sexual relationship with her within the boundaries of marriage which is given us by God.
Take this into account, if you are not able to live without having a sexual relationship.
Understand this my friend, that this is far better and is what God expects of us to do, rather than having sexual relationships with women outside of marriage, where one is in danger of committing fornication to demons and/or physical adultery towards another's spouse, or spiritual adultery towards God.
Painstakingly this is the case with many Roman Catholic priests.
It deeply saddens me to know the many lives that have been destroyed.
The majority of them having been that of innocent children having their purity taken away by the priests of demons.
Not only does this physically and mentally ruin a person for life, but most if not all abandon God as a consequence of the atrocities which befell them.
These priests causing the faith of these little ones to wither and die, there is no greater evil than that.
Also I'm sure the Quinisext Council forbid clerics from having improper and illicit relationships with women.. hence out of the boundaries of Christian marriage.
It is their calling
The Priest who is married God bless him it must be very difficult and he is called and fully understands his role but if it is allowed generally I’m sure this won’t be so !!!you are all so on the spot Amen 🙏
I’m an Orthodox Christian and we have priests who were married before ordination. It is also observed that celibate priests are the only ones who can become bishops. This is interesting to see that separation and I guess it goes into this discussion more.
Same rules apply, if they become bishops they leave their family
@@markv1974 No. Married men cannot be bishops. They do not leave their wives. That would be barbaric.
I think Al priests should marry that would reduce the child predator issue
Have these priest in this video piece come across Dr Taylor Marshal ex Episcopalian Priest convert into the Catholic Faith simply lives with his family as a Catholic laity in the Catholic Church now he writes books e.g. “Infiltration in the Church “.
Mah. You can be a deacon if you feel called to the family life
My catholic in-laws refuse to watch spotlight. I honestly feel bad for ppl who still entertain this scam. GRifters
Yes they should be allowed to marry
2(Fr)+2(R)= 😆 you guys are killing it🙏
This married priest still has to be abstanant from sex with his spouse or he shouldn't be able to consecrate the Eucharist. Here is the part that perplexes me, a celibate priest's spouse is in essence the church/congregation, no? Wouldn't the married priest, who already has a spouse be considered guilty of adultery on some level?
Michael Verde Byzantine Catholic priests can be married and they are as Catholic as the Romans.
@@PistoianPilgrim not sure if your comment added to anything I wrote, but thanks for posting anyways.
Yes. Priests should be able to marry. God would not disapprove.
Hello guys! Hello Father Rich. Hello Father. I dont know if priests should be married. I dont know wouldn't they be deacons instead. Or a pastor like from other denominations? Marriage requires quality time . Kids require lots of time. Families have issues. The church has lots of issues! They will not have enough time for either! Too much drama!
Same rule applies to permanent deacons. If married prior to entering the clergy (diaconate) then they can be permanent deacons. If single then they can marry after entering the clergy. If the question is “can married men be priests?” Then the question is yes. If the question is “should priests be allowed to marry?” Then the answer is no. Its the same rule for both eastern and latin catholics
I would be more open to married priests if shows like this included, as guests, the wife and one of the older children of the priest so I could hear what THEY have experienced. In the crazy early 70s when some seminarians at some universities were allowed to date, I saw women absolutely trashed by the so-called discernment process. As in, "Thank you--dating you has convinced me that I want to be celibate." Some line for a breakup! Try that one on your self-esteem.
No one seems interested in how the wife and children are affected. They're treated as just accessories to the priest. If a man discerning priesthood asked me to marry him, I would run screaming in the opposite direction.
No.
I'm all for a celebate priesthood...Saint Paul in his words, calls it the best form of service to God. I'm against the opinion that celibacy leads to pedophilia. If you're driven by passion, then you'd get a girlfriend. Not that it would be a good thing to do, but the need you would have is of a woman, so you'd get one, instead of a child. So there's absolutely no link between the two. However, what is it that causes SOME Catholic priests to be pedophiles? What is the cause of this problem, and why is it more common among Catholic clergy than non-Catholic clergy?
But the Spirit explicitly says that in later times some will fall away from the faith, paying attention to deceitful spirits and doctrines of demons, by means of the hypocrisy of liars seared in their own conscience as with a branding iron, men who forbid marriage and advocate abstaining from foods which God has created to be gratefully shared in by those who believe and know the truth. For everything created by God is good, and nothing is to be rejected if it is received with gratitude; for it is sanctified by means of the word of God and prayer.
- 1 Timothy 4:1-5
It was mandated until the Quintisext Council of 692. My replies with links get deleted, but it doesn’t take that much trouble to do the research. Individuals, who were ALREADY married, were allowed to be ordained. HOWEVER, they were forbidden from having sexual relations with their wives. If they did so, they were anathematized. This is an apostolic tradition, as the apostles were called to leave EVERYTHING behind and follow Christ. This explains 1 Cor 7:29 in which Paul demands that “those who have wives should live as if they do not.” This practice was in continuity with the Old Testament priests who were required to abstain from conjugal relations for many days before entering the Temple. Just search for “The Apostolic Origins of Priestly Celibacy.” There’s a book by Fr. Christian Cochini that puts this all to “bed.”
There may be less child abuse in churches if priests were able to marry.
Buddhist monks and nuns are celibate, even Ghandi became celibate. I would think parishioners would be hesitant to call on a Priest who is married, so as not to disturb his family. The commitment made is a 100% commitment with the Church as the Priest's bride. Celibacy is incredibly liberating and strengthens a person's convictions and only makes them a stronger person. If only more people learned this, there wouldn't be so any trying to sex/love in any and all the wrong places, as society is now proving.
I kind of see it like this...I think having married priest is just adding more modernism in the church, as if to say celibacy is old fashion. Not that the church can't move with the times, it can , as it did with vatican 'll. A priest chooses to marry the church, and with that he gives of himself to the whole church, as does a married person within marriage. You just can't be married and single at the same time. If we start doing this with the church, it won't be long till we see it in marriage. Its not easy committing one's self to marriage or to religious life, but that's the point in making a commitment!
Rosie Girl Byzantine Catholic priests can marry and they are as Catholic as the Romans.
@@PistoianPilgrim ..just an fyi..Roman Catholic's have nothing to do with Romans! Peter (the first pope) died in Rome..his burial spot is where the Vatican was built..hence Roman Catholics.
They should be allowed to marry.
No place n scripture does it say u can't b married. Peter was married even though he was never a pope
@Edgearth. & Jesus never denied anyone 2 marry. He never started the rcc nor any other denomination, nor any priesthood, papacy, hierarchy or catachism. Jesus only quoted scripture not tradition nor catachism. Read the bible for your self without prejudice.
@@ewaldradavich7307Our Blessed Lord held to the traditions of Israel. That was why He was presented at the temple after His birth and celebrated Passover and the other holy days of the Jewish calendar and followed the dietary laws. Tradition does matter. Christ is our King and Peter was His first prime minister. The prime minister runs the day-to-day of the kingdom for the King. Afterall, Christ is the King in the Davidic lineage and therefore King of the New Israel, that being the Church in this life and the next.
The Church predates the final form of the Bible by several centuries regardless and was collated by an ecumenical council of the Church. That being said, they were guided by the Holy Spirit in the endeavour.
@@LostArchivist. The circumcision & presentation of infants was specified n the old testament
As an Episcopalian convertee into the Catholic Church during the BenedictXVI pontificate . Here we go again about the marital status of St Peter reading in context the Sacred Scripture St Peter was a widower no mention of the wife except for the mother in law period! They were fishermen first then when our Lord Jesus begin His ministry He already knows St Peter physical status in life before He chose the 1st Pope. Stick to Divine
Doctrine Dogma each and every Catholic Priest “day the Church is and always be his Bride “.as an Episcopalian convertee into the Catholic Church this is one of the Faith attraction for ex Protestant like me.Forget about the history of wayward Popes .Fidelity unto the End.
Horna Tham There is no proof that Saint Peter was a widower. Byzantine Catholic priests are allowed to marry and they are as Catholic as the Romans.
Celibacy is a gift. But its ahard road to follow Christ. Lets keep praying for our priests
Does this include Gay marriage?????
The matrimonial Covenant, by which a man and a woman established between themselves a partnership of the whole of life, is by its nature ordered toward the good of the spouses and the procreation and education of offspring. Therefore true matrimony is only between man and woman.
No. There is no definition which can be applied to a union between same-sex individuals that would flow from the sacramental grace of God. In other words, by the definition of marriage we are given by God, which is written both in our biology and in our human nature, as well as defined in the scriptures through divine revelation, same-sex unions are not marital. For example, if we look outside the human species, like Bald Eagles, we find a similar nature. Male and female Bald Eagles normally form lifelong, bonded pairs. This is the best arrangement according to their nature, in order to ensure the health and survival of young, and by extension the survival of the species. It is true that some Eagles may exhibit sexual behavior contrary to their nature, but it is rarely, if ever exclusive and in those extremely rare cases those particular birds would not successfully procreate and pass their disordered tenancies on to the next generation. Also, is cases where bonded pairs are broken, either through death or disordered behavior, offspring would typically not be able to thrive, and potentially may not be able survive. Long story short, in the case of humanity, the unitive and procreative nature of sexuality and marriage is only naturally beneficial to the species and society at large in the context of monogamous, lifelong, heterosexual unions. AKA, marriage. One thing that is unique to humanity is our will and ability to reason. Thus enters the culpability to sin, in other words, the ability to choose against our nature and to know/understand that we are doing so. So in human nature, it is important to educate our children in how to willfully choose what is good over what is disordered and destructive. This is how death entered the world. Interestingly enough, this also means that before the fall of humanity, sexuality was unnecessary.
Um..Jesus and Mary are ur companions..im a self consecrated celibate and its a gift..And ive grown closer to Our Lord. He is my best friend and always helps me. He wants total detachment from the world...
Why is this even a question?
Because alot of people bring it up.
@@LostArchivist It's a silly question to ask. There have been enough concession made to the world like deacons marrying, that is already abominable enough.
It is a question because this is not a doctrine of the Church. Unlike the topic of female priests, which will NEVER happen as it is not a Christ instituted tradition, for the first 1000 of years our own church allowed men who were married to be ordained as priests. If their wife died, they could not remarry. And no man who had taken Holy Orders first could secondarily be married.
This is a tradition that is a serious consideration for the Church. It is not something to be changed lightly. We had 1000 years of strict rules for marriage standards for priests but allowed it, and then changed its position after some serious abuses on the part of married bishops, archbishops, cardinals and even Popes.
Then followed our 1000 years of mandatory celibacy of the priesthood. It’s a very limited, very strictly regulation of ordained episcopal priests who have wives and children and yet who still feel a calling to their priesthood. There has been a strict and deliberate path laid down for these men and their families.
To me, this is the best path. Keep our celibate priesthood celibate. Keep the door open for converted priests from the Anglican or orthodox denominations who maintain their priestly calling and who are willing to follow the very strict and narrow path laid out for them to share their gifts with the RC Church and their knowledge.
The Father and the Son are the Parents of the Holy Spirit, if many churches are correct. The Trinity is a Family-- two Parents and an Offspring, if many churches are correct. In the Bible, Jesus Himself said, " I and the Father are One".--John 10:30 On the topic of marriage in general,according to the Bible Jesus said "they are no longer two, but one..."-Matthew 19:6 The term Father is a metaphor.In the Book of Job which is part of the bible, the Lord is compared to a mother with a womb "From whose womb comes the ice? Who gives birth to the frost from the heavens"--Job 38:29
Catholic Church should adapt married/celibate system used by orthodox primarily to establish confidence in church per abuse scandal....unraveling of abuse incidents will gain headway next 10 years. It does not matter if celibate priests is not the cause of abuse scandal.
We do not need to forfeit our disciplines to win a popularity contest. That is seeking after earthly goods over heavenly ones.
If the question is “can married men be priests?” Then the answer is YES, both for eatern and latin catholics. If the question is can priests marry? Then the answer is no. In both east and latin catholicism, married men can be made priests, but if they are priests or clergy and single then they can no longer marry.
Paul was right on his point of view. But we all need to decern the will of God what. God really wants. A priest should B single or married. Sometime v take decision on our own, and push God aside. Other wise why Aaron the priest. And so on and on
The crack about mothers-in-law: unnecessary and undermines the rest of the discussion. Think about your audience.
*1Tim.4* 1The Spirit clearly says that in later times some will abandon the faith and follow deceiving spirits and things taught by demons. 2Such teachings come through hypocritical liars, whose consciences have been seared as with a hot iron. 3They forbid people to marry and order them to abstain from certain foods, which God created to be received with thanksgiving by those who believe and who know the truth. 4For everything God created is good, and nothing is to be rejected if it is received with thanksgiving, 5because it is consecrated by the word of God and prayer.
6If you point these things out to the brothers and sisters, a you will be a good minister of Christ Jesus, nourished on the truths of the faith and of the good teaching that you have followed. 7Have nothing to do with godless myths and old wives’ tales; rather, train yourself to be godly. 8For physical training is of some value, but godliness has value for all things, holding promise for both the present life and the life to come. 9This is a trustworthy saying that deserves full acceptance. 10That is why we labor and strive, because we have put our hope in the living God, who is the Savior of all people, and especially of those who believe.
11Command and teach these things.12Don’t let anyone look down on you because you are young, but set an example for the believers in speech, in conduct, in love, in faith and in purity.13Until I come, devote yourself to the public reading of Scripture, to preaching and to teaching. 14Do not neglect your gift, which was given you through prophecy when the body of elders laid their hands on you.
15Be diligent in these matters; give yourself wholly to them, so that everyone may see your progress. 16Watch your life and doctrine closely. Persevere in them, because if you do, you will save both yourself and your hearers.
Clerical celibacy/continence was mandated until the Quintisext Council of 692. My replies with links get deleted, but it doesn’t take that much trouble to do the research. Individuals, who were ALREADY married, were allowed to be ordained. HOWEVER, they were forbidden from having sexual relations with their wives. If they did so, they were anathematized. This is an apostolic tradition, as the apostles were called to leave EVERYTHING behind and follow Christ. This explains 1 Cor 7:29 in which Paul demands that “those who have wives should live as if they do not.” This practice was in continuity with the Old Testament priests who were required to abstain from conjugal relations for many days before entering the Temple. Just search for “The Apostolic Origins of Priestly Celibacy.” There’s a book by Fr. Christian Cochini that puts this all to “bed.”
Can not have both, either get married and work to provide for your family, or become a catholic priest and work for the salvation of souls. Mix the two and you have a half measure vocation.
Go and learn the history of church.
And remember that peter was married too
@@seylanmadhusanka2198 Peter was a widower when he met Jesus. Matthew 8: 14 -15
Actually priests have always had to be celibate and rampant violations of that and the ensuing fallout involving lots of children with fathers that took vows of poverty are in large part why it was done away with.
My answer to this question would be "Yes.".
Episcopalian priests can get married.; Why can't Roman Catholic ones get married?...
Continence means no sexual relations.
We must need the celibate priest
Ayush Das 1 Now the Spirit expressly says that in later times some will depart from the faith by devoting themselves to deceitful spirits and teachings of demons,
2 through the insincerity of liars whose consciences are seared,
3 who forbid marriage and require abstinence from foods that God created to be received with thanksgiving by those who believe and know the truth.
4 For everything created by God is good, and nothing is to be rejected if it is received with thanksgiving,
5 for it is made holy by the word of God and prayer. (1 Timothy 4:1, ESV)
I’m married, I’m celibate, my name is not Ryan and I am not even a preacher. Long story.
Marriage is the very first sacrament ordained by God.
The Trinity is family, and the most profound "Image of God"
is a family, not a unmarried person.
Marriage is living under sacred vows of fidelity.
The highest calling is NOT celibacy. This has its roots in
pagan asceticism. NOT Judaism or Christianity.
Celibacy is not on a higher moral plane than sacred matrimony.
A man can have a calling for parenthood and priesthood.
The ER of the Roman Catholic Church has always allowed
the tradition and gift of marriage and orders.
Living alone and being celibate is not a more holy calling
than matrimony. T
Well, Paul says the opposite.
Mohau Bereng celibacy is not church doctrine just a matter of cannon law. Law can be changed but doctrine cannot
@@markv1974 Clerical celibacy/continence was mandated until the Quintisext Council of 692. My replies with links get deleted, but it doesn’t take that much trouble to do the research. Individuals, who were ALREADY married, were allowed to be ordained. HOWEVER, they were forbidden from having sexual relations with their wives. If they did so, they were anathematized. This is an apostolic tradition, as the apostles were called to leave EVERYTHING behind and follow Christ. This explains 1 Cor 7:29 in which Paul demands that “those who have wives should live as if they do not.” This practice was in continuity with the Old Testament priests who were required to abstain from conjugal relations for many days before entering the Temple. Just search for “The Apostolic Origins of Priestly Celibacy.” There’s a book by Fr. Christian Cochini that puts this all to “bed.”
This should not even be a question. Yes priests should be allowed to marry. That is why I am studying to become a priest in the Anglican Church instead of the Catholic Church. Priests have the right to be married if they choose and no pope or bishop have the right to tell them not to. Priests have intimate needs no different than parishioners and to deny them their needs is inhumane.
You might want to study Church history and look into the reasons why it was done away with to begin with. People in the past were no less intelligent nor had different drives than we do. This would not have been something that was done lightly. Please, especially if you are considering seminary of any kind, please read the Church Fathers and learn the faith.
I support it. If they Orthodox could marry then become Priests I dont see why us Catholics can't
Just look at orthdox church and Catholic church. Orthdox chrch dosent do anything for the world and dosent contribute anything for the world comparitively in all terms. Missionaries are people who build this church and grown it in billions. Can we compare orthdox church with Catholic church in any waym even in terms of healthcare,education, orphanages church is a great contributor to humanity. One of the main reason for this is the priests who are dedicated for church and his brothers and for christ.
Lett'em marry, it might tone down the grindr usage
Why does the Catholic Church think that sex is dirty
Honestly, I regard this as something of a non-issue. In I Cor. 7, while Paul did advance the notion of celibacy, he actively forbade mandating it. Marriage was declared a legitimate option for all Christians. When the Catholic church declared it mandatory, they were essentially declaring that they knew better than God did. As long as the Catholic church mandates celibacy for priests, the Catholic church is in violation of Biblical law. Any supposed benefit of priestly celibacy (if there are any) becomes irrelevant: God commands that the door to marriage be left open. Ergo, man does not have His permission to close it.
where does he mandate against forbidding it?
@@contrasedevacantism6811 I Corinthians 7.
@@oddish4352 I read it. which passage supports your claim
I Cor. 7:6, Living Bible: "I'm not saying you must marry, but you certainly may if you wish." In verse 7, Paul admits that not all have the gift of celibacy, and in verse 9, adds that it's better to marry than be overwhelmed with lust.
It's simply, mercilessly clear: God recognizes that not everyone is build for a celibate existence and leaves His people an "out", in the form of marriage. The celibacy mandate removes this, defying God's explicit instructions. It is a declaration by men that they know better than God, and such talk is blasphemous.
@@oddish4352 the passage you cited nowhere claims what you attribute to St. Paul, namely, that he "actively forbade mandating it". Not mandating celibacy is not the same as actively forbidding mandating it. Contextually, St. Paul doesn't address the Church's authority in regard to disciplinary matters of clergy. Of course, in the early church, priests and bishops were allowed to marry, but there is no explicit discussion regarding whether the Church has authority to require celibacy as prerequisite for entering the clergy.
NO NO NO
NO NO and NOOOOOOOOOOO
Great question to ask. Did you even listen to the show?
@@johnpower4384 YES I did
I find the bubbleheads of holy priests bad, and disrespectful. I know the people in talk show are priests, but that’s my view.
I had a thought that perhaps we should all pray for the devil,not in support of his evil but pray for a miracle that he shall end his wickedness and re enter the kingdom of God where he once came,and in doing so all evil around the world would end.What do others think about this?
Satan CANNOT be redeemed. Catechism of the Catholic Church 393
It is the irrevocable character of their choice, and not a defect in the infinite divine mercy, that makes the angels' sin unforgivable. "There is no repentance for the angels after their fall, just as there is no repentance for men after death."
Unlike human beings who can make their sinful and selfish rejection of God in a sort of blindness and ignorance of what may result, the angels had a crystal clarity of the exact weight and impact of their decisions and made their choices freely, with absolute knowledge of what would happen and what the ends of those actions would be. Therefore there is no reversion for Angels. That is why their decision is so definitive and harsh, so immutable and crystalline.