Should Catholic Priests Marry? An Intense 1968 Debate As A Priest Left The Church To Marry
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- This debate took place on national television in late 1968. It was provoked by the actions of father Bob Brusso whose church was in Oklahoma City.
The 1960s was a decade of immense change and challenges for the Catholic Church in the USA and worldwide.
The Second Vatican Council (1962-1965) was major in the Catholic Church's history. By 1967, the Church in the USA was grappling with the implementation of the Council's decrees. These included the introduction of the vernacular in the Mass instead of Latin, greater lay participation, and an increased focus on ecumenism. The changes sparked both enthusiasm and resistance among the faithful.
Birth Control and "Humanae Vitae": Although Pope Paul VI's encyclical "Humanae Vitae" was released in 1968, discussions and expectations about the Church's stance on birth control were intense in the years leading up to its release. The encyclical reaffirmed the Church's opposition to artificial contraception, a stance that was controversial both within and outside the Church.
The Civil Rights Movement in the USA was at its height during the 1960s. While many Catholics and Catholic organizations supported the movement, the Church also had to confront its own issues with racism and segregation.
The Vietnam War and the growing anti-war movement posed moral and ethical challenges for American Catholics. The Church was divided, with some members and clergy supporting the war for anti-communist reasons and others opposing it based on principles of peace and justice.
There was a notable decline in vocations to the priesthood and religious life in the USA.
The 1960s saw increased efforts towards ecumenical dialogue with other Christian denominations and interfaith dialogue with non-Christian religions. This was a new and sometimes challenging territory for the Church in the USA.
With all these changes and challenges, there was a broader question of authority and dissent within the Church. Some Catholics openly dissented from Church teachings, leading to tensions between different groups within the Church.
In the 1960s, the question of clerical celibacy and the possibility of priests marrying became a topic of debate and discussion within the Catholic Church as this video clip shows.
The tradition of clerical celibacy in the Latin Rite of the Catholic Church has ancient roots. Those advocating for maintaining the status quo argued that it is a venerable tradition that reflects Christ's own celibate life and allows priests to fully dedicate themselves to the Church. On the other hand, proponents of change pointed out that celibacy was not universally practiced in the early Church and that the Eastern Catholic Churches allow for married priests.
The 1960s saw a decline in vocations to the priesthood in many Western countries. Some argued that allowing priests to marry might help address this shortage by making the priesthood more attractive to those deterred by the prospect of lifelong celibacy.
With the broader sexual revolution and changing societal norms, some within the Church argued that recognizing the natural human and psychological need for companionship and intimacy could lead to healthier and more well-adjusted priests.
Some proponents of celibacy believed that it had deep theological significance, symbolizing the priest's complete dedication to the Church and his role as "alter Christus" (another Christ). Opponents pointed to scriptural references that suggested early Church leaders, including the Apostles, were married.
Those against changing the rule raised practical concerns. They argued that a married priesthood might pose financial and logistical challenges for the Church, given the need to support priests' families. There were also concerns about potential conflicts of interest or divided loyalties between family responsibilities and pastoral duties.
The fact that Eastern Catholic Churches, in communion with Rome, allowed for a married priesthood (though bishops must be celibate) was frequently cited in the debate. Some saw this as a precedent for potential change, while others believed the Latin Rite had its distinct traditions and practices.
The laity's views on the matter were diverse. While some were supportive of the traditional practice of celibacy, others believed change was necessary to address contemporary challenges and realities.
The Second Vatican Council brought about a spirit of openness and reform in various areas of Church life. While the Council itself did not call for a change in the discipline of clerical celibacy, the atmosphere of change and renewal made many topics, including celibacy, open for discussion.
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It's refreshing to hear articulate people debate something without being shouted down or jeered.
A lot has changed in only 55 years, generally people were better educated and respectful in my opinion.
I don't think it's a question of them being better educated, as we have highly educated kids. It's more they were better disciplined. Much nicer generation imo.
@@stemartin6671 Good point.
Indeed, expect when men disagreed with women speaking. Then interrupting was common.
@@stemartin6671… “We have highly educated kids”? The fact is, kids of the US, have the lowest ratings worldwide. This is not my opinion, this is fact, based on recent surveys and statistics. Every country around the world is turning out better educated children than we are. Just last year, one particular school had to cancel its graduation ceremonies because not even ONE student could pass a random state testing. Parents (believe it or not) demanded their kids still be allowed to graduate!
We have masses of 16 & 18 year olds who are technically illiterate, yet they receive a diploma. All anyone has to do to see the truth of this, is so 10 minutes worth of research! Or, walk up to anyone under 20 years of age and ask them to read & write something for you that’s above a 3rd grade vocabulary, and also including proper punctuation, and you will be sadly disappointed.
There is of course a small minority of bright kids. But they’re the few exceptions. Statistics show us general trends.
You’re correct. People in general were better educated, and people in general were most certainly better mannered. We live in a society today that teaches kids that conforming to rules is bad. We teach kids that whatever THEY think & feel about something is perfectly fine, and that they can act out and say anything they want in public, and that’s just fine. There is no longer any limits or guidelines young people adhere to, to be a proper member of society. It’s more or less a free for all.
So Yes! Gone are the days of rational, intellectual debate. When someone has an opposing view these days, the conversation immediately turns into a screaming match, even with compliments of name calling like children do. Gone are the standards of respecting others. It’s all about “me me me” nowadays. Society has gone so far as to eliminating all debate, by making certain words off limits for all to say. They’ve turned words into racism, instead of true acts of racism. They’ve turned words into meaning “hate speech”, even when used to try to discuss something intellectually. Just look around, it couldn’t be more obvious! Even our elected officials now resort to name calling and out right slander when they disagree on a topic. No one respects ANYTHING anymore. Not even the office of President. The world has truly gone crazy. Right is wrong, black is white, and everything is turned upside down.
“Through some crack the smoke of satan has entered into the Church of God.”
-Pope Paul VI
It is so interesting to me how speech patterns change throughout the decades. There are so many aspects as to why this is. I guess what I am getting at is the vocal pitch and intellectual manner of which is spoken is very mature and polite as opposed to today's conversationalist.
Could you imagine this now…. ? No way Josè.😛
The good ole days.
The government wants us all uptight.. arguing..and twenty other reasons not to look at and investigate what politicians are truly up to and the truth hidden along with the corruption. Those days are long gone and it’s sad.
i think thats a big reason why i watch these older videos, they way people talked to each other was just so genuine
When I was a child in Oakland in 1952, I attended St. Joseph's,Catholic School. A young priest had just arrived and the children loved him. His name was Father John Duryea. In 1962, when I was about 15 or 16, I was living in Santa Clara, CA. . I ran into Father Duryea at a Catholic hospital in Santa Clara, where my mother was after having surgery. I recognized him immediately. We talked for a while and that was that. By 1975, I was living in Los Angeles and saw Father Duryea on a PBS station being interviewed. He was stripped of his priesthood because he was preaching that a Priest should be allowed to get married and was discovered to have been secretly married. I was shocked. Years later, I read about his life and marriage and that he even had a daughter. He had written many books and now was residing in Oaxaca, Mexico. In 2006, he passed away at the age of 88. I dearly loved this man. Not just from my childhood, but because of what he stood for and because he lived his beliefs. What an impression he made on this 7 year old little boy back in 1952.
Pray for his soul, that he died repentant of his sin in apostatizing from the faith and breaking his vows to God.
I agree with this Priest! I would 100% rather see them be able to get married!❤❤❤❤
Become Orthodox or Anglican at that point. Their Priests are allowed to Marry and their sacraments are just as valid.
@@TruLuanyes but their reception might not be. And Anglican that is debatable
The Church jn Her wisdom sees celibacy and a sacrifice and gift to God.
Thanks for this piece of history
I often wondered how a priest could counsel a family when he himself doesn't have first hand experience having a family himself.
He is married to the Church and everyone calls them Father because they are his spiritual children. Priests are family men by nature.
Trust me SOUTHERN BAPTISTS and METHODIST molest like hell too. I know. My cousins are those. 😢😢😢😢😢
Sexual deviancy isn't exclusive to the religious. It's a part of our human story. What is important to know is that a lot of sexual immorality against children happens at the hands of married people. In fact more married individuals commit more sexual sins against youth than married men.
Allowing priests to marry may reduce the problem but it won't eliminate the problem.
This is not about molestation. Please don't conflate the two. Married men molest children too.
A stellar write up in your description DavidI am just now watching your video I can see were in 1967 this televise debate would raise some eyebrows.
Mr Hoffman,
What an appropriate time to post this video. In case you’re not aware of it, the Catholic Church hierarchy, and it’s most liberal Pope ever, are currently holding a synod in Rome, where all these questions in this video are again being addressed as I write this.
Your film we just watched, was filmed during the huge changes in the church that were taking place due to the Vatican 2 council. A council of liberal ideas and “modern thinking” to apply to the church in order to “bring it up to date with the world”. Well 60 years later, those of us in the church see the ramifications of Vatican 2 right now, and what many Catholics feel is still destroying the church by corrupting it’s original teachings.
Anyhow, that’s a very complex subject I won’t get into here, to much to cover. My main point was this video is being acted out as of today, in the ongoing synod assembled by the Pope to answer some of these exact questions! So your timing is perfect!!
Thanks!! JM.
Pope Francis has spoken several times even before the synod and afterwards that women priests will never happen and that celibacy is a charism of the Church in model after Christ and the Apostles.
Wow, this is great! Thank you for posting this.
It takes 5 years to become an ordained priests sometimes longer that plenty of time to see if it suits them no one forces them to be one , the only issue I have is very young boys wanting to be a priest before developing emotionally first , thats the reason a lot of the sexual abuse took place too many males entered who were not emotionally developed .
Much of the sexual abuse was at the hands of gay priests. Pedophilia has been a part of the gay lifestyle forever. The secular world however is so politically correct that it's considered too taboo to talk about. If the Catholics had followed the original jewish law, which states that priests MUST be married to prevent sexual sin, much of that might have been averted. Instead, they cling to the false "Apostle" Paul, who taught the law was done away with.
Amazing to see this. My stepfather was a priest in this time period. He left the priesthood to marry my mother. He baptized me, and my middle name is named after him.
I shit you not, I just made a video on exactly this!!!!!!! Thank you again, David. Thank you for all you gift us via the truth.
I love you 🤍
Mr. Hoffman thank you for sharing your work with us
Honestly I'm so glad that I found your channel. The videos you provide are always eye opening, and usually a quite timely look into the past.
Surprised at how long i watched this. Good write up in the description.
Did anyone notice the complete lack of ums, ahs and filler words?
I did. ✅
This conversation is fascinating. Shared with fellow M.Divs.
My grandfather would have been 97 This year, and he always used to tell me when we worked together that he did not need church. Simply because he knew he could speak with God without an establishment. I myself found those words so powerful when I was 21 years old and to this day, I still live it! I connect with more people away from the church than I do in the church...
He who finds a wife finds a good thing ❤
For those of you who are Catholic if this video is from 1967 why are the Catholic celebrating the New Mass (Novus Ordo) vs. the Latin Mass. I thought that began in 1969. As for the topic, this was an amazingly enlightening video. Thanks.
The experimental Missal was issued in 1965. The N.O. was issued in 1969.
The mass changed over mostly to the local language around 1964.
Im Roman Catholic and I love The fact that priest dont get marry. They sacrifice themselves for our community as Christ did, Unfortunelly people dont know what is to sacrifice to the others no more.
They were allowed to and the reason it was changed was so their assets would go to the church and not to their children, it’s not about purity it’s about control.
It sort of explains all of the Pedophila that goes on in the church.
@@reezdog If anything it doesn't. Married men commit more lewd sexual actions than unmarried men statistically. Maybe it could reduce the problem but it won't eliminate it. But it's not enough to say it's what's the sole cause of pedophile priests. The spotlight is on the priests that do this stuff because that's our society but for every 1 priest that we as good Catholics should condemn but hopefully forgive for doing this as we should there's 99 other good priests.
We are quick to forget that clergy are sinners just like the laity but of course they should set the example.
Celibacy is not the cause of pedophilia but of the lack of chastity@@reezdog
I'm insanely impressed by the civility of the participants. I truly am a product of my time
Taking away all the theological fluff the practical reason for clerical celebacy was to prevent political dynasties and accumulation of wealth on the clergy that would rival as a pole of power to the secular authorities.
That was great. Where's the rest of it?
I feel the man speaking at 31:25 could just as easily be speaking about a few issues that are facing us today.
Thank you David for this historic peek into our past
A very good friend of mine became a priest shortly after this period. He remained one for the rest of his life, but ultimately broke with the Catholic Church and joined the Anglican/Episcopal Communion. He was ordained in a time of reform and liberalizing. By the the mid 1980s he was the only one left among his original peer group as the Church turned in a steadily more reactionary direction.
Why would god give you desires and then say don’t you dare listen to your natural instincts! Silly. Why?! Man made rules
I never grew up Catholic but my friend that's 65 did he's German on his side. They left the church years ago. My mother was Irish Catholic but her family left the church 1940s. My dad was a southern Baptist all his life. I grew up with my parents two different religions. The priest getting married they leave the church. Some churches the pastor gets married and stays. Thanks for sharing this with us David Hoffman film maker. 🎥🎞️🙂
Is this all your footage, David??
David how can we find this in its full running time? I’m fascinated by this discussion
I have not posted the full program but most of it is here.
David Hoffman filmmaker
we made the whole thing up!
The back and forth between Sister Francetta (introduced at 16:10) and Father Daniel Lyons (17:20) I found interesting. I feel like it could have easily been an hour long debate btw those two.
GOD Bless All ! 🕊
Satan be with you
I am catholic, and this answered so many of my past questions.
I am catholic as well, and they always taught me to never marry if you want to be a priest..that felt dead, fruitless, lifeless. And they say not to drink but yet they serve wine in church...
@@towerofresonance4877 No Church document says don’t drink. The point is to not get drunk and lose your ability to reason.
@@cs5384 Go read just about anything from St. Thomas Aquinas or St. Augustine and then get back to me.
@@towerofresonance4877 They use bread and wine because that's what Jesus and his disciples consumed during the Last Supper. The drinking of wine in the Church is symbolic, you're taking a small sip, not chugging down bottles of MD 20/20! 😆
Pope Francis is probably giving this some thought is Priest and everyone else are leaving the church or the faith altogether. Things are becoming more CLEAR to people.
This starts so strong
The problem at the beginning was the man said they had would be priests hoping that The Catholic Chruch would change the law. It's not a law. It's a discipline. Eastern Catholic Church (e.g. Byzantine) allow someone who is married to become an ordained Catholic priest.
Just be a Deacon.
Thanks. According to one of the speakers, it's 1968.
I'd say yes. Maybe it would have forced out the paedophiles and barbaric clergymen and nuns a little sooner. I would expect married people with children of their own would be less likely to conceal those criminals. It would have changed the institution.
You still get ped0s in the eastern churches whose priests are allowed to marry
most sexual assault is committed in the home by family members an overwhelming majority in fact
Pope Francis seems very open to allowing priests to marry. It's an idea whose time has come.
@fazbell Also, authorizing and blessing same-sex unions which is totally contrary to Biblical teachings.
There are married priests in the Eastern Catholic Churches. The choice to marry must be made BEFORE ordination as marriage is also a sacrament. In those situations, the seminarian or lay person takes the vow of marriage first, followed by the vows of ordination. For the most part, this practice is found in remote areas. However, the problem becomes one of the parish being able to financially support a married priest and his family. Moreover, if the assignment does not work out, it is very costly to move an entire family to another parish, assuming you can find one financially stable. To address these challenges, the church allows for married deacons. In both instances, priest and deacon, if the wife predeceases the husband, they may not remarry.
Maybe if the priests had been allowed to marry when I went to Catholic school,I might not have had to endure the "horrors" that I did. I often wonder if the "pedo" priests were born like that, or did they become like that from being abstinent,and never marrying.
Some people are attracted to priesthood because of the power you wield, which is an interest that they would have had for a while, before entering the clergy. But I’m sure that some priests also begin looking to children after sexual repression because it’s the closest thing to a woman they have under their influence.
That last dude was making really good points
This video is just sad. The breakdown comes as a result of self centeredness and not Christ centeredness. Pray for the souls of those priests who led people astray.
Look at them hand signals. Very interesting.
It's ridiculous that they can't get married. Marriage is considered one of the seven holy sacraments but a priest isn't allowed to do it..?
Holy Orders is what they chose
@@delvingeorge2807In the East (Catholic and Orthodox), married men who apply to seminary, and subsequently ordained, cannot remarry upon the death of the wife. This is what would happen in the West if the celibacy law is repealed. Likewise, those in the East who apply to seminary, and subsequently ordained, are bound to celibacy.
People cite historical reasons for that. I heard it could have had something to do with inheritance law, since the church did not want priests to pass things on to potential children.
@@trashaccount5106 Yes, this was part of it too.
@@CatholicTraditional Ok
The obvious answer is yes
Only you can save your soul. The church is a social club for like minded individuals focused on biblical teachings. According to the Bible only a few will be chosen to go to heaven. A sad and hopeless situation for the majority of hopefuls.
@leunam3434 The Bible also teaches that the earth was meant to be inhabited and that many people will live forever on it. Psalms 37:9, 11, 29.
Faithless. In my tradition priest can marry. But these people are faithless.
A priest who doesnt want to be a priest.. damn :(
SINCE this discussion....it seems there's still the split...a war....overthrown :( Assuming this discussion went nowhere since 1960's tho ? .. Assuming it's been a "thing" since well before millennia's ago #BAHMBAHM BAHM ....
excuse my immaturity on the subject ... it comes from head trauma I think ...
*These words are not mine.* These are the words the Ruach HaKodesh (YAHUAH's Set-Apart Spirit) uttered through me when I prayed to YAHUAH; asking him what *he wants* me to say, knowing the truth. He with ears, hear:
"Know that YAHUAH is the name of the Most High and YAHUsha is the name of The Son.
Come out of her, my people, who have fallen to the deceit of Constantine. Who know not my name and say they love me. I have made myself known. I have heard you and I am here.
There are many who are yours to be saved. I am he who knows all that you are. Come to me, here are they who are mine. Make haste to come, here are we. Give in to them who speak of me, they are yours. I am here for you. Know that all is for them, here are we.
Give not to them that are against me. I am he who sees all you do. Come to me out of her, all are here for me. Do what I say. Out of her, come. All are here."
Exodus 3:13-15 KJV
13 And Moses said unto God, Behold, when I come unto the children of Israel, and shall say unto them, The God of your fathers hath sent me unto you; and they shall say to me, What is his name? what shall I say unto them?
14 And God said unto Moses, I Am That I Am: and he said, Thus shalt thou say unto the children of Israel, I Am hath sent me unto you.
15 And God said moreover unto Moses, Thus shalt thou say unto the children of Israel, the Lord God of your fathers, the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob, hath sent me unto you: this is my name for ever, and this is my memorial unto all generations.
John 5:43 KJV
43 *I am come in my Father's name,* and ye receive me not: *if another shall come in his own name, him ye will receive.*
2 Corinthians 6:17 KJV
17 Wherefore come out from among them, and be ye separate, saith the Lord, and *touch not the unclean thing;* *and I will receive you.*
Isaiah 52:6-7 KJV
6 Therefore my people shall know my name: therefore they shall know in that day that I am he that doth speak: behold, it is I.
7 How beautiful upon the mountains are the feet of him that bringeth good tidings, that publisheth peace; that bringeth good tidings of good, that publisheth salvation; that saith unto Zion, Thy God reigneth!
2 Corinthians 6:1-2 KJV
1 We then, as workers together with him, beseech you also that ye receive not the grace of God in vain.
2 (For he saith, I have heard thee in a time accepted, and in the day of salvation have I succoured thee: behold, now is the accepted time; behold, now is the day of salvation.)
Romans 10:1-3 KJV
1 Brethren, my heart's desire and prayer to God for Israel is, that they might be saved.
2 For I bear them record that they have a zeal of God, but not according to knowledge.
3 For they being ignorant of God's righteousness, and going about to establish their own righteousness, have not submitted themselves unto the righteousness of God.
Romans 10:13-17 KJV
13 For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved.
14 *How then shall they call on him in whom they have not believed? and how shall they believe in him of whom they have not heard? and how shall they hear without a preacher?*
15 *And how shall they preach, except they be sent?* as it is written, *How beautiful are the feet of them that preach the gospel of peace, and bring glad tidings of good things!*
16 But they have not all obeyed the gospel. *For Esaias saith,* Lord, *who hath believed our report?*
17 *So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God.*
Nahum 1:7 KJV
7 The Lord is good, a strong hold in the day of trouble; and *he knoweth them that trust in him.*
Hebrews 3:15 KJV
15 *While it is said, To day if ye will hear his voice, harden not your hearts, as in the provocation.*
Isaiah 52:11 KJV
11 *Depart ye, depart ye, go ye out from thence, touch no unclean thing;* go ye out of the midst of her; be ye clean, that bear the vessels of the Lord.
John 14:15 KJV
15 *If ye love me, keep my commandments.*
@Call_Upon_YAHUAH The common English rendering of the name of the Sovereign Lord of the universe is Jehovah. It is the name by which he himself chose to be identified. The Tetragrammaton (as the four Hebrew letters of God’s name are known) occurs in the Hebrew text of the Bible nearly 7,000 times-far more often than does any descriptive title for God. That name is no mere label. It distinguishes the true God from all other gods, including man-made gods. It is the name that all intelligent creatures should know, honor, and sanctify.
How can one have input on marriage or any input on correcting or raising kids if they have never done any of it. I think I’d want advice with someone that’s been there done that.. otherwise they haven’t a clue…. And give wrong advice.. idk it’s just weird to me.. marriage would keep the creepers from crossing that line for the most part. Just my opinion. Interesting video for sure.✌🏼
@MikeHensley-sc3ns Jesus and the Apostle Paul never married, yet they gave some of the finest moral counsel on both marriage and singleness.
Krazy idea forbidding marriage for Priests
Resipe for Disaster
Hense the Child Abuse…
The Clergy of Early Church had issues when Priests were Married. Yes, there were Married priests as St. Peter the first Pope was Married. The Priest kept Continence like St. Aquila and St. Pricila. The Bishops mostly were celibate. The priests then who were married, were not Continent in their Marriage and often were Bad examples. Bringing Concubines and having Conjugal relations and often falling to Carnal desires of the World. Thus it was put to Cannon Law in Later years that all Priests be celibate.
There's something modern looking about this video.
Only the Latin Rite seeks celibacy. But even Christ said this:
“For there are some eunuchs, which were so born from their mother's womb: and there are some eunuchs, which were made eunuchs of men: and there be eunuchs, which have made themselves eunuchs for the kingdom of heaven's sake. He that is able to receive it, let him receive it.”
Matthew 19:12
And St. Paul who was celibate said this:
“For I would that all men were even as I myself. But every man hath his proper gift of God, one after this manner, and another after that. I say therefore to the unmarried and widows, It is good for them if they abide even as I. But if they cannot contain, let them marry: for it is better to marry than to burn. And unto the married I command, yet not I, but the Lord, Let not the wife depart from her husband:”
1 Corinthians 7:7-10
Can't marry twice.
Why not?
If you are married and not happy...why should you not Divorce? And REmarry?
@@vieiradosreismariadelurdes9105
“Wherefore they are no more twain, but one flesh. What therefore God hath joined together, let not man put asunder. They say unto him, Why did Moses then command to give a writing of divorcement, and to put her away? He saith unto them, Moses because of the hardness of your hearts suffered you to put away your wives: but from the beginning it was not so. And I say unto you, Whosoever shall put away his wife, except it be for fornication, and shall marry another, committeth adultery: and whoso marrieth her which is put away doth commit adultery.”
Matthew 19:6-9 m
Here we see Brent Bozell doing his very best William F. Buckley impersonation. Not bad, really.
That was he brother in law.
No where in the bible does it forbid a priest or elder to marry.
AS a Catholic,former Protestant I don't like to doubt it and comparing both sides.I love Catholic and accept their traditions but never rejected Protestant. I stand for Jesus❤❤
You can't stand on the fence, I was catholic now protestant, what catholic teaches most isn't biblical but unbiblical tradition.
If the argument is for celibacy and thus the priests marry the “bride” Church, well, we see how that turned out.
From where do such doctrines that forbid one to marry originate? The church claims to believe the Holy Bible as being the Word of God. “Now the Spirit expressly says that in after times some will depart from the faith, giving heed to deceitful spirits and doctrines of devils, speaking lies hypocritically, and having their conscience branded. They will forbid marriage...”
*1 Tim. 4:1-3a, The Catholic Confraternity Bible*
Is marriage mentioned as somerthing bad in the Bible? Ah, but then again, what is even the Biblical definition?
@Davidhoffman what if…..
Israel is a people and not a country?
Couldn’t Priest marry before the 6 century. It would be a good idea but I’m not Catholic
I’m Catholic, this video is interesting, the take away I would want to tell people about is that while these men speak passionately about this topic, it should not be assumed that the are absolutely correct. It’s not always popular, or relevant to the times, but priestly celibacy is of God. These were enemies of the Church speaking., the enemies of the church continue to speak, They blend good points, with evil ends. Evil ends.
Thank you for speaking your mind. I have been considering the Catholic Church for about two years now. Currently a Protestant and a fairly tepid one at that. But there is something captivating I find with the Latin rites, and the TLM in particular. I’ve been watching The Mass of the Ages documentary and was deeply moved by it.
My beliefs have also been challenged when I watch interviews with Catholic exorcists, who speak of the authority given to them to cast out demons. Humility and authority both on display.
Please keep me in your prayers.
The church is there to fellowship with one another you need to re up to help people out side of the church at church you get your courage from one another Jesus made it his business to teach in the temple you should never think that you can do it alone and that you don't need no one for in that area that's when Satan steps in good luck isolating your self that's what the devil want you to do
I think they should be allow to marry. It may have stopped the acts of molestation ..
It’s there a causal link between being single and being attracted to children?
I think the molesters were child predators before becoming priests and knew that they’d have access to kids.
It would not. But it would have stopped those with iffy sexual orientation from seeking the priesthood as an escape. Damaged or unhealthy people given a pedestal and power? is a recipe for disaster.
Yes!!! then they might leave our kids alone
Unlike the schools
Kids get abused mostly in the home , stop generalising .
Marriage is a divine institution, authorized and established by God in Eden. Marriage brings into being the family unit, the family circle. Its basic purpose was the reproducing of the members of the human family, to bring into existence more creatures of the humankind. Our Creator made male and female and ordained marriage as the proper arrangement for the multiplication of the human race. Gen. 1:27, 28. The first human wedding was performed by God, as described at Genesis 2:22-24.
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Yes, and how very sad it is that many individuals have made a mockery of this wonderful arrangement by taking it so lightly or feeling it's not even necessary. We can clearly see the negative results of that type of attitude today.
Yeah, I want life altering advice from religious recruiting, selling, controlling con-men, dellusionalist in a pretend God ideology people, who don't have a clue about dealing with real life, or a degree in Psycology, or family counseling....telling me what to do!😮😅
😂WASHINGTON DC WELL THERES YOUR PROBLEMS RIGHT THERE THIS IS STRAIGHT UP BLASPHEMOUS
Oh get bent
If Lbgt blessings are permitted I don't see why priests are prohibited from getting Married