Oxford Mathematician EXPOSES Why Atheists Can't See Evidence For GOD
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- In this video, John Lennox reflects on his debate with Richard Dawkins and brings to light one of the biggest misunderstandings that Atheists have about God.
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I like how you state the goal of your channel, and your intentions. It helps me better appreciate the Christian worldview, and frankly a lot here makes more sense than the alternatives. I've called myself an atheist for 35 years, but i genuinely feel I'm making progress with Christianity. I didn't understand it when I i was an atheist, I just thought I did. Heck I've even seen Hitchens and Lennox back in the day, but recently it's like I've been able to hear Lennox, Peterson, the McDowell's and you.
I'm not an atheist, because I'm not even sure what that label means anymore. Dunno what I am in this area to be honest.
But I look forward to your next video.
I really appreciate you taking the time to share this. The honesty you’ve brought here is powerful. I have to admit, your comment has made my day & I will do my best to offer something of value in the next video 🙏❤️
@@Daily_Dose_Of_Wisdom his comment is very encouraging to say the least!
From an outside glance, you may want to check out C.S. Lewis if you haven’t already. He went from an atheist to agnostic to theist to Christian.
As Lewis stated in an interview, “What I wrote in Surprised by Joy was that ‘before God closed in on me, I was offered what now appears a moment of wholly free choice.’ But I feel my decision was not so important. I was the object rather than the subject in this affair. I was decided upon. I was glad afterwards at the way it came out, but at the moment what I heard was God saying, ‘Put down your gun and we’ll talk.’”
Ahhh! The beginning of wisdom! God must be smiling on you. Thank you for your intellectual honesty. (If I may be helpful: the Bible will answer so much for you. Just be willing to take old and new testaments in context. Christ isn’t hidden. We simply must open our eyes and heart to Him. If you look, you’ll see.).
Agnosticism is the most logical position for anyone to take…no one knows for sure whethe pr there is a god. I’m an atheist because I believe the balance of probability suggests there is no god because even after thousands of years of research, no compelling evidence has ever emerged that suggests there’s a god….living a good life certainly does not require a God!
The problem isn't people not believing in God, the problem is people rebelling against God.
Very true
They rebel because they don’t or can’t believe. This is why theological education is so incredibly important. Most people just don’t know what Christianity actually is.
Absolutely! They don’t think there’s no God, they don’t want there to be God because ultimate judgment and accountability come with that reality! Just pray that many of them wake up🙏🏾
@@Daily_Dose_Of_Wisdom Not true at all. You can't rebel against something that you don't think exists.
Spot on
As a recovering atheist myself, I would like to say thanks. I want you to know that your channel has had a big hand in helping me keep an open heart for God. About 6 months ago I felt my heart being pulled. Ive been a pretty proud atheist for almost 30 years. Its been a pretty wild and emotional time as my core beliefs have disintegrated but these videos are affirmation that what Im feeling in my heart is actually god and not just a midlife crisis. So thanks again.
That’s awesome, former militant atheist here also. It’s quite the ride isn’t it?
Good luck brother. God is real
Hold strong, where all your atheist friends think you are stupid too.
Until they find God too.😊
@@mizmera Criticism and ridicule somehow further solidifies my position honestly. It's not like being an atheist took away my yearning for understanding. So it's like years and years of banging your head against a wall trying to make sense of things. I couldn't care less what people think of me as they have no more of a clue than than I have. "It is written on our hearts" is hands down the best phrase I've ever heard in my life. Think about the implications of that statement. It explains so much about human behavior for those walking with God and those walking without. Perhaps we are actually designed to have a relationship with God. Those of us that do not are literally trying to complete a function that we are not designed for. Therefore, we fail at said function. This is evident to me. Thank you btw.
@@corythompson9171 well stated! Lord bless you sir!
I was raised Catholic and then I studied Physics at UC Berkeley then worked at Lawrence Berkeley Labs in Physics research. I wasn't conflicted with my faith at all. I was merely learning the fascinating mechanisms in a grand design.
You see the problem with science and religion conflicting has nothing to do with the discoveries being in conflict. It’s all about the methodology you use to discover what is true and false.
The scientific method is all about taking in the evidence forming a theory based on the evidence, then subjecting the theory to rigorous testing and peer review to see if it holds up.
Theists base their entire understanding of the universe on faith in a paranormal being. Which is the exact opposite of the scientific method.
@@PythonPlusPlusI find it strange to even think of science and religion as being in competition as science, logic and reason are all tools created by God that we simply interact with.
@@b00g3rs21 You clearly didn’t read my comment. They are in competition because you require 1 important quality as a thiest: “faith”. There is no room for faith in science, as it is the cornerstone of wilful ignorance.
@@PythonPlusPlusI think that's antithetical to what Lennox and other scientists are saying, that science only reinforces their faith.
@@b00g3rs21 And I’m saying that that’s a conflicting notion because science requires evidence, while faith is blind to evidence. Those who play with science while following faith indulge in confirmation bias, which is the greatest threat to scientific reasoning.
It’s not to say that someone with faith cannot do follow the scientific method, but by having faith you will always have a conflict of interest.
As a former agnostic atheist, returned to Catholic Christianity, I can say that you’re doing a great job showing more people that science and Christianity don’t contradict each other, but compliment and support one another, and having more like me, Catholics, Protestants & Orthodox, be more confident and stronger in our faiths.
May Jesus bless you brother. 🙏✝️🌎
But they do conflict. We know quite specifically what happens to a body after it dies. Resurrection is a biological impossibility. When you say a body comes back to life or a virgin can become pregnant, you’re saying something about biology. This is why so few scientists believe in the God of the Bible.
“Agnostic atheist” is an oxymoron. You were either one or the other. I believe in God as a concept, but I’m not subscribed to one religion although I’d admit that my beliefs are closest to Christianity.
@@Sniperboy5551 Mainly what I mean by this is that while I didn’t know whether God is real or not (agnostic❓), I rejected the idea (atheistic✝️❌). But if there’s a better term, let me know.
@@shadyboltbandit3302 the best name for your condition, it's stupidity... knowing if fantasies are real or not it's something so simple, only stupid pplcan't saythe difference between real and unreal.
Welcome back to the Catholic church, I am in rcia, I am so excited for confession and the eucharistic lol😊
“Mathematics is the language in which God wrote the universe.”
-Galileo
And the frequencies are Gods music.
Math doesn't prove the Bible. Evidence disproves it. Defend your position, don't attack people who don't believe your baseless claims.
@@christianhunt4999 Ok I don't know how a quote is attacking anyone but thats not the point. Math IS a fundamental law of the universe and its existance is illogical. An inch is always an inch, the pythagorean theorem didn't need to be discovered by Pythagoras to exist. the best explenation on why your thinking is at least somewhat flawed is probably best summed up in
"The Unreasonable Effectiveness of Mathematics in the Natural Sciences"
by Eugene Wigner
Go read it. its well written paper and Eugene Wigner is a nobel prize winner for a good reason. It is genuinley mind boggling.
Then perhaps understand the concept of probability. like this "1 in 10^10^123 chance" Thats the probability of not just us existing but the entire universe existing. then considor for a moment that on every habitable planet there should be life. Evolution dicates that through natural systems life came to be on this planet, yet in the observable universe we are alone. Then considor according to the law of conservation of matter no matter is created or destroyed, only tranformed or displaced. Ultimately this makes me and everyone who realizes it to feel really really small. If Evolution is to exist it cannot exist in a vacume. You either belive that things can come from nothing like believing in a God who can create things from nothing, Or you belive in the contradictory Evolution can create organic matter from inorganic matter from absolutely nothing. Humanity and existance is a statistical improbability. I think theres more to existance than your willing to let others believe.
If you wanna belive we're just here and thats it then go ahead. just don't attack me saying I'm the one making baseless claims and attacking you. I'm not. I was quoting someone.
@@christianhunt4999Its useless to argue with believers.John Lennox is the proof for that, no matter how inteligent they are if their mind has that desperate desire to believe no way that they will use logic.Their minds are ready for any mental gymnastics just to keep the faith.In some way they are like gambling or drug addicts, its habit that became a mental need.No matter how stupid it sounds they will still believe that Jesus died on the cross so that God could forgive us our sins LOL or that Muhammad was visited in cave by angel or any other BS that they were taught as kids.
Isaac Newton on the Solar System:
"Though these bodies may indeed continue in their orbits by the mere laws of gravity, yet they could by no means have at first derived the regular position of the orbits themselves from those laws. Thus, this most beautiful system of the sun, planets, and comets, could only proceed from the council and dominion of an intelligent and powerful Being.
- General Scholium to the Principia
I was an Atheist up until the fall of last year. What led me on my Journey back towards Christ was that I was at the end of my rope and I begged for any answer and when I woke up the next day my mind was a lot clearer I felt less angry, I felt more whole, my mind and soul felt more at ease. Since that day I've realized the more I put God first the more things make sense, the more I realize that the rules in the Bible are useful and make sense the easier my life has become. I was lamenting what path I was going to take in life and God spoke to me and put me on the path forward. Praise be to God I haven't had this much hope for the future or myself in a very long time, I haven't been this happy in a long time. I still have a lot of work left to do to live a life fully for God and Christ but day by day, step by step I get closer to that goal.
I don’t understand how you put god first or know god
Why did you not join Islam or Egyptian gods? seems interesting you chose the god from the bible but not the others.
@@vdoggydogg3922Well said.
This illuminates one of the driving factors that send humans throughout history to religion. That is desperation and fear. We all fell at times. But religion offers a crutch, a security blanket, and answers to the scary unknown. You allowed yourself to be deluded into a “God” for very clear reasons.
And the fact that this crutch was specifically the Christian God, and not any other of the multitude of Gods humans have conjured up from their imaginations, is solely due to what you’ve been exposed to. You’ve probably grown up in a Christian dominated area, or at least found Christians around you that you related to. You certainly didn’t wake up a Christian without ever hearing about it from other humans.
I guess whatever helps. But “helps get through life” ≠ truth.
The childhood indoctrination is powerful, and once you allow the fear back in, you have lost the battle.
I'm someone who always saw wonder everywhere, realised there is design in everything around us from a young age ... but then didn't quite believe it, because I thought I was on my own, and no Christian had ever found the words to explain this stuff to me better. I was just told to have faith, sing hymns, and the guy at the front is generally a nice guy, but it's a bit boring as a kid in church. These videos are explaining things I thought were mysterious, but are in fact in plain sight and easy to understand when the right teaching is applied. The fog of the modern world is clearing in my head, and I can't thank you enough!
@@AnonYmous-yj9ibHow can you be so sure? 😮
@@alvindimes4729 have you ever fucking even googled the circle of life? God would be fucking sadistic if there's a designer
Your intelligent designer would be a god damn monster, they literally invented rape and child cancer
That is what we call childhood fantasy and it should be universal, but your culture put a monopoly on owning everything of wonder
Literally all Christianity has ever done is take the uniqueness and creativity away from children because it automatically declares their fantasies wrong because God put it all there and any beauty they see was simply put there by God
It literally takes away childhood fantasy and caps every potential adventure with God
It's a tool to make kids more obedient and less independent or thoughtful, they want to generate a sense of boredom so you don't question things
@@AnonYmous-yj9ibOr persons looking at the design is ignorant for why it was designed as such or using it wrongly.
Wrench can also be used to hammer nails, but when it eventually breaks, was it the fault of the designer or user?
@AnonYmous-yj9ib Have you looked at how the Human ear works, or any other major organs. If you think there's no design in nature then you're the delusional one here. After the fall of man a lot of things fell along with them, all of creation was affected by the rebellion of man, this today there are some things in nature that are messed up. Read Isaiah, Paul's letters, he mentions these issues and how all if creation yearns to be perfected someday as we evidently see in the decay and destruction around us. I can't believe you really said there's no design in nature, you claim to be in touch with reality whilst parting company with it by making that statement.
I love your channel, Daily Dose:) Normally, they're short enough to digest but long enough to grasp a key idea and they always pack a punch:) And I also appreciate your commentary on the topics. You're never too verbose and often add context or examples that clarify/enhance the argument.
How profound. A musician is not made of music, a chef is not made of ingredients, and a mechanic is not made of automobile parts. I’ve tried to understand how to explain to others why God is outside of our realm of space, time and matter and Lennox’s copper pot and tea analogy drove it home for me. What a revelation! Thank you for sharing this video.
An analogy is not evidence dork. And something outside of time, space, and matter essentially does not exist because we have no way of detecting it. You have a screw loose in you bran
_A musician is not made of music, a chef is not made of ingredients, and a mechanic is not made of automobile parts_
But they're all made of the same stuff. A chef, for example, is composed of exactly the same elements as his ingredients.
@@richardgregory3684 how do you know that? Because science has investigated the matter with which God made EVERYTHING … and found that He made it ALL from the same set of materials.
@@kymdickman8910 That ios literally pointing at something and saying "God Did It". That's not evidence, it is assertion.
@@richardgregory3684 Call it what you like… it’s there for all to see, study, and choose their own conclusions.
the "who created your god" argument isn't about atheist not knowing your god is uncreated. It's about showing the absurdity of acknowledging that eternal things can exist, yet only applying that to one cherry-picked entity
😅My candy bar is eternal! Oh whoops no it's not...I ate it😢 but it's still out there somewhere. Actually in here. (Pats tum)
it’s because of one thing your crazy logical brain , so if your brain is an unguided and follow just crazy logic you will believe it?
He can’t be created , logic is do not explain everything
how can just follow that is the problem ? Consciousness and brain are not the same
many many mockers here, as foretold by Peter 2.,3,3
the Internet makes them visible as never before.
@@he729gtd61 So Islam is true? Cuz it says the same
@@Grimner6 A rhetorical question is an assertion
It’s crazy how much this video was for me. Keep stayin’ disciplined, bro for His glory. Also, I really enjoy your videos. Feels like we’re actually hanging out as friends and we get to talk about Jesus?! W channel. Thank you for your content; making others feel less alone in this walk 💪🏽
"The first gulp from the glass of natural science will turn you into and atheist, but at the bottom of the glass God is waiting for you." - Werner Heisenberg, Father of Quantum Physics.
And yet, he still did not come up with an compelling argument, let alone solid evidence.
@@derhafi If I point to well-documented miracles that have accompanied Christ's followers, you'll come up with some lame excuse for why you won't believe. The Miracle of the Sun at Fatima (witnessed by 80,000 people including skeptics and journalists), bodies of saints hundreds of years old that remain intact to this day, The Shroud of Turin, The Tilma of Our Lady of Guadeloupe, documented healings, Eucharistic miracles, etc. etc. etc. Even the natural world points to God's existence (i.e. the universe appears to be fine-tuned for life to exist).
You can see many of these miracles for yourself if you want. There is ample evidence but you refuse to accept any of it. Why? Perhaps you're afraid of what God's existence means for your life? Praying for you friend.
Isn't it amazing how even highly intelligent people with great accomplishments in their can fail miserably when it comes to other topics?
@@bladeofhelyes. You are smarter than Heisenberg. I’m sure you understand physics and the natural world more than he did because you read Richard Dawkins once. And by that I mean watched a CZcams video.
@@markislivingdeliberately You kind of missed my point there Mark...
My point was literally that people who are very smart, and very accomplished in one area can be completely ignorant and or wrong in another area...the relative intellects or expertise of people doesn't automatically make them right, especially on topics outside their area of expertise.
Heisenberg could be ten times smarter than I am, and there would still be plenty of situations where I'm right about something and he would be wrong.
Expertise in Quantum Physics doesn't make you an authority in any other area.
Nor does raw intellectual power.
Way to try to refute my point about how appeals to authority (which are already a worthless argument) are pointless when it's unrelated to the topic by literally making the same flawed appeal to authority...
I am a smart man but I have trouble articulating my belief in God. I wish I had the strength to stand up and fight for the Lord the way this man does.
Strength and articulation aren't the same
@@TheRastacabbage yeah, that guy doesn't have either
"Fight for the Lord"? Does this Jesus/God dude need humans to "fight" for him? Can't he take care of himself? I mean he IS God right?
@@williamgreenfield9991 he is not talking about fighting with swords?
@@uguroz3745 Never said anything about how he would fight or what weapons he would use. The question was: Can't Jesus fight his own battles?
Thanks a bunch for your content. I appreciate the way you gather thoughtful content and present thoughtful responses to the content.
Science is just mankind's attempt at understanding God's creation.
Religion is just mankind's first and worst attempt at understanding the universe.
That's just a guess so long as science hasn't discovered him. Because this god is not self evident, not because it says so in a book. Religion is just mankind's attempt at making sense of the world in a pre-scientific age. We should know better by now.
@@mardy3732 Can an NPC in a videogame discover the developer of said game within the world they created?
When you look at a painting of the Mona Lisa and don't see Leonardo Da Vinci, does that mean he didn't exist?
Or is a creation evidence of a creator?
@@zackzettler4425 Creation is indeed evidence of a creator. But there's no evidence of creation. An NPC is a pre-programmed computer program with no capacity for reason. We know humans came to be through millions of years of evolution. You can't really disprove there's a god because it's unfalsifiable. But if a sentient being did create the universe that doesn't mean he designed us.
@mardy3732 no, you think humans came to being through evolution based on what other humans have told you... You can't prove evolution either. It's just a theory.
You seem pretty certain about something that is just a theory.
We are just as capable of understanding our creator as an NPC is able to understand its creator.
Humans are ignorant and arrogant.
We think we understand, but we really don't.
I have only recently discovered John Lennox and I'm a bit biased because much of what he says is such a sophisticated way of the view I've come to on my own from reading and reasoning the Bible.
Then You are very Blessed & UNFORTUNATELY very much in the Minority like me. 🤷🏻♂️
People Amaze me for all the wrong reasons.
That's a very encouraging process, isn't it. We work so hard to understand and discover the truth, and seek God with an honest heart and with integrity, and then we're met with all of the naysayers. When we find somebody with the gravitas of Dr. Lennox who's saying the same thing that we discovered, it's like a weight comes off of our shoulders.
What a miracle the internet is. I've been very encouraged listening to Dr. Lennox, and others like him. Thank you CZcams!
I agree. Lennox does seem to follow the Sophists method of arguing. Most atheists prefer valid, reproducible evidence.
@@drfred1937 You have it backward, but you are sort of in the ballpark in an upside down manner.
Richard Dawkins stays making Atheism look as bad as it is so modern Atheists are CLOWNING 😂. AMEN 🙏👊❤️. SILLY ATHEISTS TRIX ARE FOR KIDS 🤣. I love Professor John Lennox's mathematical and Apologetics studies and this brother's Apologetics ministry and I'm glad you all enjoyed his studies of biblical history and Christianity. It's obviously not the burden of proof for believers but God Himself to meet the burden of proof which He has for us Christian theists despite what Atheists claim are just unsupported claims. This has nothing to do with the video but please listen if you want to otherwise leave it alone and ignore it. Hello my name is Justin and I'm a Christian and Apologist but I'm also a college graduate. I'm not a closed minded Theist as I have nothing against Atheists or unbelievers as I speak to them often to understand their reasons for unbelief but we as Christians are convinced of God's Existence due to many real factors). I'm not trying to convert anyone or convince anyone to become Christians as that's The Holy Spirit's job to help people believe but only explain why I believe in Jesus Christ. There's actually evidence of God's Existence in Christianity. First of all there's proof that Jesus of Nazareth existed in history since the writings of Tacitus, Josephus Flavius, Pliny the younger and other historical documents prove that He was living two thousand years ago that even scholars both religious and Atheists agree with historically speaking but not that He's The Divine Son of God because obviously they don't.
I'm going to give you historical and archeological evidence for God's Existence as The Scriptures have prophecies that predate the events recorded in them by several millennia including Matthew, Hosea and Zechariah which prophesy accurately of the people of Israel becoming a nation again after over 1900 years of being scattered around the nations since the destruction of the Temple in Jerusalem in 70 A.D. spoken of by Christ in Matthew 23:29-24:3 and returning to their homeland after The Holocaust with Jerusalem as their capital in 1948 exactly as Jesus The Christ said. The prophets including Daniel spoke of the time where several world empires would arise and fall including the Babylonian kingdom, Medes and Persians, Roman Empire, and Saladin and the Muslims which went in consecutive order for the past few millennia. The people of Israel becoming a nation after The Holocaust in 1948 (ironically the melting point of gold as God compares Israel to gold that's tested in fire in Zechariah 13:8 and Jeremiah 16:15) exactly how Jesus The Christ said would happen since God us everything to come in The Scriptures and not just because people were working towards as Atheists claim which are impossible for any regular man to predict.
Just before anyone says Christianity is a white man's religion made to oppress blacks during slavery you obviously aren't aware that the first Christians were Jews in The Middle East and that Christianity just like any religion can be used by evil and corrupt people to oppress others but you forget that the first Abolitionists/Civil Rights activists were Christians who sought to abolish slavery, racism, segregation, injustice and prejudice throughout American history. Jesus The Christ loves you enough not to give you what we all deserve which is God's Wrath by His Own Blood. Charles Darwin didn't originally come up with The Theory of Evolution over 200 years ago as it is mentioned in the writings of Ancient Greeks who believed in Demons that gave knowledge to philosophers.
Evolution makes no sense when nothing has evolved after thousands of years of human history and supposedly the first creature came from primordial sludge several millions of years
ago funny how they won't believe that God an Eternal Almighty Spirit Being created us from the Earth) which came from a supermassive expansion of matter at high temperature that inexplicably created everything in the known universe that supposedly came from nothing billions of years ago. How did the organs evolve before there were bones, skin, substance and how did any creatures see before eyes evolved? I've studied evolution and abiogenesis in the past and read Darwin's " On The Origin of Species" and I'm not convinced of macro Evolutionary biology but I accept micro Evolution such as speciation and adaptation because there's no evidence of macro Evolutionary biology nor clear observable examples of it where living creatures evolve into other kinds of species plus the fact that fossils don't show evidence of evolution and genetic entropy rules out evolution. The question begs how did two genders evolve from a common ancestor with a perfectly hospitable and sustainable environment with breathable oxygen and resources to survive on inexplicably? Atheists have the burden of proof to explain how everything came to be and why our existence is possible without the Existence of God from an godless perspective just as Christians have to provide evidence of God's Existence and the validity of His Word.
Evolution requires life to already exist in order to take any effect in living organisms so it doesn't account for the existence of Life and reality. Also evolution is impossible because it goes against The Law of entropy and the second Law of thermodynamics because evolution makes things better whereas nothing continues to get better but decays and turns to absolute destruction in the end. Mark Ridley an Evolutionist said "No evolutionist whether gradualist or punctuationist uses the fossil record as evidence in favor of The Theory of Darwinian Evolution as opposed to special Creation". God's Existence is made perfectly known and observable in the universe as demonstrated in His Handiwork in the intelligently designed manner that Creation was made, human consciences and consciousness historical and archaeological evidence of God's Word being valid history, fulfillment of Bible Prophecies God in His Holiness and Righteousness could give us what we deserve in Hell for our since but He's merciful to give us free will to choose to accept or reject His gift of salvation by grace through faith in His Son Jesus. I don't mean this is any condescending manner but if you'd like to discuss The Scriptures with me or have me listen to your view on anything my instagram account is Savage Christian Kombatant.
When people put God in a box, you will immediately see how advanced their education on the subject is. As a scientist myself, I have trouble with this almost everyday. They call us out using "God of the gaps." Well, their excuse is "time." All i ever hear is "Were just not there yet." You'll never get there.
-Dr G
Also it is said given enough time everything can and will happen especially with multiple universes.
Yep.... "Time of the Gaps.
Very true.... Time of the Gaps or sometimes chance
God of the gaps is plugging and explanation - your particular brand of God - into an unknown. Don't do it. Most scientists don't plug "time" into an unknown, they'll just say that it's unknown. What you will find is the idea that an unknown will likely turn out to have a natural explanation because there is a huge precedence for this and zero precedence for supernatural explanations.
@@mrshankerbillletmein491 except going back to the moon in the 70 years unless it's guided by an SS rocket scientist
Absolute gold @6:36!! Love these videos brother, may God bestow his perfect rewards on you for the quality work you are doing on CZcams
"In psychology, intellectualization is a defense mechanism by which reasoning is used to block confrontation with an unconscious conflict and its associated emotional stress "
I've been putting it this way: many intellectuals are captured by their intellect, which, instead of being used for discovery, becomes a means of darkening. It can become an idol like anything else instead of a useful tool.
I heard that question, "Who created God?" and I was confused why anyone couldn't comprehend the concept of an eternal, uncreated God, yet can readily accept the idea of a multiverse without the same question popping up in mind "Where did this hypothetical multiverse come from?"
I agree
That’s because no atheist actually thinks there is an answer to “who created god”. It’s a question designed to demonstrate that whether you say “the cosmos is eternal” or “god is eternal”, you are still relying on one of those being a brute fact you just accept. The fact we have evidence for the cosmos and none for god makes the cosmos being eternal more parsimonious.
Thinking the question “who created god” is silly just shows how equally silly it is to ask who created the universe.
I don't really hear any scientists declaring that the universe is in fact eternal. They don't do this because 1) they don't know and are the first to admit it and 2) because then they would actually have to support that with some evidence . . . Kinda like when theists simply declare that God is Immortal. How do we know God is Immortal? Well, God says so. Duh. Circular reasoning. It's bad. You know it's bad. And yet you still do it? Why? I genuinely can't tell whether people are simply liars, dumb, or some combination of the two.
It's literally the other way around. We absolutely accept the possibility that a God could be eternal. It is the theist who makes the claim that universe could not be. We accept the possibility that either the universe or God could be eternal, it is the theist who says only one of them can be eternal. But we only have evidence of the existence of the other.
@@xaviersandoval1765 You have heard of The Big Bang Theory, haven't you? It seems to indicate that the universe had a beginning, which would mean it was not eternal. Are you saying there is evidence for a multiverse?
Studying chemistry in-depth brought me to belief in God. It was clear, the deeper down you go in the physical word, no amount of scientific data can ever adequately explain why any of this stuff is even here in the first place. And then the mathematical probability of all of these extremely complex processes being able to bring together such randomness into a world that creates you and me is unfathomable.
There is an utterly perfect, divine architect behind everything of this world and his being is love.
❤
@lux-veritatis wrote "Studying chemistry in-depth brought me to belief in God. It was clear, the deeper down you go in the physical word, no amount of scientific data can ever adequately explain why any of this stuff is even here in the first place."
I am calling bullshit. Did your study bring you to Jesus called the Christ? Or some unnamed being? If you really are a scientist, your conclusions are counter to the greatest part of scientists. Why do the overwhelming majority not come to your same conclusions?
@@joestfrancois you and I both know this jackass isn't a scientist.
Cause being a fucking liar is ok as long as you're a liar for Jesus.
Mathematical probability!
The chances of you existing as you are, are astronomical, before you were conceived, your parents had to do absolutely everything as they did, meet when they did etc etc. The same applies to their parents and their parents and so forth and so on. Billions upon billions to one the chances for you existing as you do.
The same applies to me.
The same applies to the inventors of computers.
The same applies to inventors of the internet.
The same applies to inventors of you tube.
It's as near as damn it impossible, yet here we are having this discussion on you tube.
Odds against something happening are ridiculous if you work them backwards.
You can not use that argument, it just doesn't work.
The universe is pretty big. If you roll the dice enough, then I think you are bound to get some unusual results from time to time.
Good on you! Loved your statement of faith at the end. You are doing great work with your channel as seen in some of the comments. Thank you
I've moved from being an atheist to a position of accepting there could be a "creator" but what I struggle with is why He would care about me, or anyone on this planet, when the universe He created is so mindbogglingly vast and could very well contain many other sentient life forms like humans.
If there is an intelligent creator, there is the possibility of intention and purpose in the creation. I have three apple trees in my garden, and the thousands and thousands of trees in the forest don't matter to me like those apple trees do because I have a plan for them. Anywhere a creator makes something unique (like life), that planet becomes important by virtue of being used for a certain purpose.
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Lol what utter piffle, what was gods "plan" with regards with BONE CANCER that causes untold suffering and death to millions of innocent children and their families. ? Just what "purpose" does it serve ? Did God not have a "choice" to create a world without bone cancer?
How about the multitude of other Diseases, Tsunamis, Viruses, birth defects, Earthquakes, Floods, Famines, ect ect. ??
As a christian, understanding why God loves us is a difficult question to answer since I know that I cannot fully comprehend the shear love he has for our existence.
What i can say is that love is at the centre of his divine nature.
His love is the reason why the universe exists, his love is the reason he created the heavens and the earth, his love is the reasons why he created all of his angels, his love is the reason why he is a just God, his love is the reason why he is a compassionate God, his love is the reason why he is a merciful God.
This is the only way I can accurately describe the nature of his love.
I could keep going but you see the point. What makes us so special is that we are made in his image. At our best, we imitate and reflect God's nature.
We are the only beings in all of his creation like this. Not even the angles possess this nature.
I would like to add that i personally don't believe aliens exists due to the shear amount of factors that need to be at play for alien live to actually live on different planets. I also think that if God did create aliens, there is no way we wouldn't know about it.
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Lol the "nature" of the biblical God as portrayed in the bible is one of a jealous narsochistic genocidal infanticidal slavery and incest endorsing monster.
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@@justiceiria869 _"What i can say is that love is at the centre of his divine nature."_
You can say it, but you can't prove it. The existence of cancer suggests otherwise.
I was an atheist from about 12 to 21, through my teens I was obsessed with science, but more specifically physics. I came to the conclusion it was very likely God existed when I was visiting my Aunt in Oregon. I was staring at a sunset on the beach when I realized how perfectly crafted everything around me was from the erosion on the rock, to the orange sunlight in the distance. This again made me realize everything was perfectly crafted the earth being a certain distance from the sun to be able to support life and gas giant that essentially shields the earth from being hit by meteors and asteroids(Jupiter). And many things in the universe that you are told that happened randomly but to me seem very unlikely. But rather all perfectly designed and crafted. It to me at that time that the universe and life itself could just happen into existence, what I mean by that, is that creation is just a series of random events that led us to where we are now. And finding out about fine tuning just reaffirms my position. So God does exist and there is no doubt in my mind he doesn’t, I have also became a Christian in the last couple of years now 23 and I do believe he came in the flesh and walked the earth.
I am sorry to hear that.
I hope you will find back to reason and logic
The angels sang and rejoiced the day you accepted truth, brother. Once you’re firm in your faith, the attempts to draw you out just become funny/sad to witness like the dude who commented before me.
Very proud of you and remember the difference between works-based faith and faith based works! God bless
@@sterlingtolman
You suffer from a severe mental disorder my friend
No evidence, go figure 😂
Fine Tuned Universe, that's what got you to believe. Many other people share this belief.
John Lennox is a gift to the body of Christ, and we are grateful for him. We are even more blessed this is recorded and can be used by future generations when times get tougher than they currently are.
I'm afraid that Christianity is a dying religion. You only have to look at the data - every year fewer and fewer people claim to be believers. And Jesus isn't helping by failing to show up. Let's face it, it's been 2,000 years and he STILL has to make his grand appearance. Why, it's enough to make one think that he's NEVER going to come back in glory...
He is just simply making money out of you simpletons that believe all this rubbish.
@@johncraske just because it hasn’t happened yet doesn’t mean it’s never going to.
@@DukGood True. But will the ever-decreasing band of Christians still be using that excuse in a 100 or 200 years from now?
Where’s the data that fewer people are believers? I thought Christianity was growing in Asia and Africa.
Absolutely beautiful interaction!
- Richard Dawkins' misunderstanding about God's role in creation: "if you say God created all this you're going to have to ask who created God and that's nonsense"
- The misunderstanding about the nature of God as a non-explanation waiting for scientific understanding
- The idea that God is not a "god of the gaps" but the creator of everything, both understood and not yet understood
- The misconception that the more we explain things scientifically, the more we push out God
- Atheists' limited zero-sum game view of the universe: Atheists' belief in a finite universe, incompatible with the biblical concept of an infinite and eternal God
- Dawkins' misunderstanding of the biblical concept of an eternal God
- Misconception about God's role as an explanation in competition with scientific explanations
- The misrepresentation of God's role in explaining natural phenomena
- The illustration of the boiling water as an example of non-competing explanations in science and personal desire
- The misunderstanding of the complex nature of human existence beyond chemical composition
- The irony of science increasingly pointing to the existence of God
- Willful ignorance of the scientific evidence that supports the existence of a fine-tuned universe
- "God no more competes with science as explanation of the universe than Henry Ford competes with the law of internal combustion as an explanation for the Motorcar engine"
- Multi-level explanations are common in life
- Personal/agent explanation is usually more important
- The creator cannot be made up of the thing that he has created
- Asking for evidence of the creator in the shape or design of the created thing is a mistake
- Design, beauty, intelligence, language, and functionality point to something outside of the system
- Similar reasoning applies to the universe itself
- Human rights, morality, human consciousness, and the intelligibility of the universe with the human brain all point to a mind behind it
- Through inference, it is rational to see a mind behind these things
- Aim is not just to create theist or make arguments against atheism
- Ultimate goal is for people to know God at a personal level
- Believes every person is created by God and for God, and true satisfaction and purpose are rooted in Him
- Conversations are important, albeit incomplete
- Viewed as stepping stones towards Ultimate Reality
- Conversations are worth having as they lead towards knowing God, who is knowable and loves everyone
I loved his "why is the water boiling" illustration.
I tried making spaghetti using his concept but no matter how badly I wanted the spaghetti my water didn't boil until I applied heat, maybe the rules for tea are different?
@@Cloud-bs2kn Yea, you don't have to know how physics works to make a tea, but that doesn't mean those laws of physics are not there when you are making it.
I bet dinosaurs weren't floating around because they didn't know what gravity is. (Oh wait, were there even dinosaurs? The bible doesn't say... so probably not...)
"It's boiling because I wanted a cup of tea". Really? This teleological explanation is so backwards and not explaining anything at all.
@consonaadversapars You DO, in fact, have to know how physics works to make tea. Adding heat to water to boil it IS physics (rudimentary and not something we would commonly refer to as such, but it is none the less)
@@mistert791979Yea, you're right.
The real problem with the cup of tea analogy is: “because I want a cup of tea”. If God came down and told us in person that they created the universe, then I would be much more inclined to believe it. Rather the tea analogy is more like:
Person A: Why is the water boiling?
Person B: Because God wants a cup of tea.
That’s a problem, because now Person B has to prove that God exists, that God has the ability to boil water, and that God wants a cup of tea. The simpler answer is to say the water is boiling because it is being heated to its boiling point, or something of that nature, because we haven’t introduced any external factors that we have no evidence for.
I always think of a video game creator who creates an entire unique world in which he places characters. All of the rules by which the game world and its characters function were placed their by the games creator. If somehow those characters were granted the ability to think would they ever be able to 100 percent physically prove the existence of their creator?
No. He lives outside of the system (game) he created.
But, given the evidence, assuming no creator existed would be valid. Admitting that they don't know the answer 1 way or the other would also be a better position that assuming there's a grand programmer that created everything.
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Yours is an interesting analogy, but the distinction between a video game ‘world’ and the physical world in which the creator of the game lives is not the same as the difference between reality-as-such and whatever (if anything) is external to it. The characters in the game might not be able to see its creator, but it’s not them we’re concerned with; we have literally no idea what it would be like to create a universe.
@@jarrod752Why? The video game wouldn't exist without someone making it.
The game can't make itself.
@@dhenderson1810The issue is assuming it was created to begin with. Statistically, we have been wrong 100% of the time when we have assumed god did something. It always turned out to be a natural explanation.
And since _nobody knows_ if the universe was created, it's better to simply admit we don't know, and reserve judgement for if/when better evidence comes along, than to make a baseless assumption.
This conclusion would also be the best for our video game characters to draw, since they don't know either.
As a former atheist, I realize I could not see God becuse the vertigo of eternity was too much to bear, and my solution was, like a little kid's game of hide and seek, to cover my eyes with my hands and pretend eternity wasn't around or could not see me. After much (and fearless) internal exploration, I realize now eternity is indeed a person (a human being), that my concept of God and of humanity was flawed, and that I could not have arrived at such realization on my own, without His help.
The WORTH, VALUE, and IMPORTANCE of the AUTHORITY and EXISTENCE of JESUS CHRIST
Atheists, Evolutionists, Christians, Muslims, Buddhists, Hindus, and fanatic members of all kinds of Religions in the world
KNOW
and are fully aware that they don't honor and obey the Creator as the True and Sovereign God and don't accept Jesus Christ too as the One given by the Creator all authority in heaven and on earth
but
can't accept and understand the simple TRUTH
that
their opposition, disobedience, and defiance of the Creator's Sovereignty and his Christ's authority and teachings
will just result in their own dishonor, disgrace, downfall and ETERNAL DEATHS, just worthless and useless dusts on earth forever
while
loving, kind, and respectful persons on earth who submit to the authority of Jesus Christ and obey his teachings about the "Kingdom of God" and "Resurrection of the Dead" as written in Matthew 28:18, Luke 4: 43, and John 11: 25, 26
will
definitely bring themselves honor and the loving, kind, and merciful Creator's favor and reward of ETERNAL LIFE and existence without sufferings, pains, griefs, sickness, and death on a safe and peaceful earth without liars, traitors, perverts, and murderers as written in Revelation 21: 3, 4, 8.
RESURRECTION of the DEAD VS. the IMMORTALITY of the SOULS or the HEAVEN and HELLFIRE DOCTRINE
The Creator didn't create human beings with immortal souls and will just become worthless and useless dusts on earth after their deaths just like the animals as written in Ecclesiastes 3: 19, 20 ; 9: 5, 6
but
all Atheists, Evolutionists, Christians, Muslims, Buddhists, Hindus, and fanatic members of all kinds of Religions
who are misleading and deceiving their own families, friends and neighbors to believe their lies, deceits, and falsehoods about "the immortality of the souls or the heaven and hellfire doctrine", "Armageddon", "rapture", and "reincarnation"
just can't accept and understand the simple TRUTH
that
they will never be glorified by the Creator in their make-believe and fairy tale Heaven nor tortured for eternity in their invented and fictitious Hell but just become worthless and useless dusts on earth forever after their deaths
while
all the loving, kind, and respectful worshippers of the Creator and believers of the teaching of Jesus Christ about the "Resurrection of the Dead"
who died recently and thousands of years ago like Abel, Noah, Abraham, Sarah, Isaac, Jacob, Moses, Job, Naomi, Ruth, King David, Jesus Christ's disciples and followers, and many others will not remain as worthless and useless dusts on earth forever,
instead,
in the Creator's right and proper time and as written in John 11: 25, 26,
Jesus Christ will RESURRECT them back to life so they can all happily and abundantly live and exist on earth forever as submissive and obedient subjects of the "KINGDOM of GOD"
and fully enjoy his and the Creator's eternal love, kindness, goodness, compassions, generosities, favors, and blessings for eternity under his loving and kind rulership, guidance, and protection as the Creator's Chosen King and Ruler of the heavens and the earth as written in Revelation 11: 15.
As an atheist, can you explain how your fear of eternity proves that the Christian God exists?
Those of us who have been Christian and became atheists often carry a fear of hell, not because we still believe in it but because we've been indoctrinated for so long and so strongly.
What convinced that that "eternity is indeed a person (a human being)"?
@@speculativebubble5713 The WORTH, VALUE, and IMPORTANCE of SUBMISSIVENESS and OBEDIENCE
Atheists, Evolutionists, Christians, Muslims, Buddhists, Hindus, and fanatic members of all kinds of Religions
who are misleading and deceiving their own families, friends, and neighbors to oppose, disobey, and defy the Creator's Sovereignty and his Christ's authority and teachings
just can't accept and understand the simple TRUTH
that
loving, kind, and respectful persons on earth who freely and willingly submit to the authority of Jesus Christ and obey his teachings about the "Kingdom of God" and "Resurrection of the Dead" as written in Matthew 28:18, Luke 4: 43, and John 11: 25, 26
will
definitely bring themselves honor and the loving, kind, and merciful Creator's favor and reward of ETERNAL LIFE and existence without sufferings, pains, griefs, sickness, and death on a safe and peaceful earth without liars, traitors, perverts, and murderers as written in Revelation 21: 3, 4, 8.
RESURRECTION of the DEAD VS. the IMMORTALITY of the SOULS or the HEAVEN and HELLFIRE DOCTRINE
All human beings have no immortal souls and will just become worthless and useless dusts on earth after their deaths just like the animals as written in Ecclesiastes 3: 19, 20 ; 9: 5, 6
but
all Atheists, Evolutionists, Christians, Muslims, Buddhists, Hindus, and fanatic members of all kinds of Religions
who are misleading and deceiving their own families, friends and neighbors to believe their lies, deceits, and falsehoods about "the immortality of the souls or the heaven and hellfire doctrine", "Armageddon", "rapture", and "reincarnation"
just can't accept and understand the simple TRUTH
that
they will never be glorified by the Creator in their make-believe and fairy tale Heaven nor tortured for eternity in their invented and fictitious Hell but just become worthless and useless dusts on earth forever after their deaths
while
all the loving, kind, and respectful worshippers of the Creator and believers of the teaching of Jesus Christ about the "Resurrection of the Dead"
who died recently and thousands of years ago like Abel, Noah, Abraham, Sarah, Isaac, Jacob, Moses, Job, Naomi, Ruth, King David, Jesus Christ's disciples and followers, and many others will not remain as worthless and useless dusts on earth forever,
instead,
in the Creator's right and proper time and as written in John 11: 25, 26,
Jesus Christ will RESURRECT them back to life so they can all happily and abundantly live and exist on earth forever as submissive and obedient subjects of the "KINGDOM of GOD"
and fully enjoy his and the Creator's eternal love, kindness, goodness, compassions, generosities, favors, and blessings for eternity under his loving and kind rulership, guidance, and protection as the Creator's Chosen King and Ruler of the heavens and the earth as written in Revelation 11: 15.
Peace be with you, bless
What do you think hell is? Most Christians don't understand it and use it as a brow beating tactic to avoid having to answer difficult questions about Christianity. @@speculativebubble5713
I was raised as a Christian, read the bible, re-read it, and then began studying science. Along about my Junior year in HS, due to the MAJOR conflicts in the Bible with actual scientific and historical evidence, I became agnostic, and began (starting with again re-reading the Bible) searching OTHER religious viewpoints; Buddhist, Taoist, and certain Amerind beliefs seemed to actually be better than the Biblical viewpoint. This status maintained until moderately recently when I finally realized that ALL religions have both the same purpose and the same lethal flaw. The purpose of every religion is to relieve the dying person's fear, and give comfort to those friends and family remaining. The fatal flaw is that there is ZERO evidence of ANY kind that a "soul" exists in ANY living thing. Without a soul, there can be no afterlife, which means that there are no Heaven, no Hell, no reincarnation, no karma, no demons that feed on souls, and also, no God or gods. Lennox doesn't expose ANYTHING related to Atheists, he merely takes the stance that the Bible should not be taken literally - which is a HUGE step away from almost ALL standard Christian doctrine, which states that the Bible is the unalterable "Word of God" -which with historical evidence, simply is NOT true,
I followed approximately the same path. Excepted that I still believe in soul or spirit ... and even reincarnation, even if I think that each incarnation of our "soul" is never in the same material universe, as there are infinity of possible realities. I still believe because I know that mathematics and science is unable to give answers to everything (since Gödel's incompleteness theorem), but the concept of a god as described in religions is just so absurd ...
Your videos are very much appreciated! Thank you for all you are doing.
Absolutely love and respect Mr Lennox ... ABSOLUTELY ☝️💖☝️
Get a room.
What does that mean, lennox and his money.@@PalmaColantuono-rz1pt
Get a life
I just felt compelled to give you a compliment on your commentary style. There are a few Christian podcasts i listen to of this style (posting a clip of something with added commentary and a topic proposed for their audience to ponder), where the commentator talks and interrupts WAY too much where i can't even watch it. They make the video about themselves and their viewpoints as opposed to your approach where you say little but profound words to open a deep conversation for your viewers about God, you glorify God as where many are glorifying themselves.
Satan used the Protestants so that the young adults and their kids are not receiving the sacraments especially the Eucharist.
The saying is apt here: those who want find ways, those who don't want find reasons.
Jesus said: "I am the way..."
God bless Prof Lennnox, I'm saving this to show my grandson.
God bless, Happy Christmas 🙏🎄
Why would you condemn your grandson to this drivel?
John Lennox is the huggable teddy bear of Christian Apologetics. I Love him so much. He makes complex arguments simple, to where just about anyone of any age can understand.
I was thinking of that, I wish I could hug him, he is such a sweet man. God bless him
@@kevingp12
An Eternal Universe is just laughable because there's nothing else besides The Universe which just so happens to have living creatures on one planet which is pseudoscience.
Richard Dawkins stays making Atheism look as bad as it is so modern Atheists are CLOWNING 😂. AMEN 🙏👊❤️. SILLY ATHEISTS TRIX ARE FOR KIDS 🤣. I love Professor John Lennox's mathematical and Apologetics studies and this brother's Apologetics ministry and I'm glad you all enjoyed his studies of biblical history and Christianity. It's obviously not the burden of proof for believers but God Himself to meet the burden of proof which He has for us Christian theists despite what Atheists claim are just unsupported claims. This has nothing to do with the video but please listen if you want to otherwise leave it alone and ignore it. Hello my name is Justin and I'm a Christian and Apologist but I'm also a college graduate. I'm not a closed minded Theist as I have nothing against Atheists or unbelievers as I speak to them often to understand their reasons for unbelief but we as Christians are convinced of God's Existence due to many real factors). I'm not trying to convert anyone or convince anyone to become Christians as that's The Holy Spirit's job to help people believe but only explain why I believe in Jesus Christ. There's actually evidence of God's Existence in Christianity. First of all there's proof that Jesus of Nazareth existed in history since the writings of Tacitus, Josephus Flavius, Pliny the younger and other historical documents prove that He was living two thousand years ago that even scholars both religious and Atheists agree with historically speaking but not that He's The Divine Son of God because obviously they don't.
I'm going to give you historical and archeological evidence for God's Existence as The Scriptures have prophecies that predate the events recorded in them by several millennia including Matthew, Hosea and Zechariah which prophesy accurately of the people of Israel becoming a nation again after over 1900 years of being scattered around the nations since the destruction of the Temple in Jerusalem in 70 A.D. spoken of by Christ in Matthew 23:29-24:3 and returning to their homeland after The Holocaust with Jerusalem as their capital in 1948 exactly as Jesus The Christ said. The prophets including Daniel spoke of the time where several world empires would arise and fall including the Babylonian kingdom, Medes and Persians, Roman Empire, and Saladin and the Muslims which went in consecutive order for the past few millennia. The people of Israel becoming a nation after The Holocaust in 1948 (ironically the melting point of gold as God compares Israel to gold that's tested in fire in Zechariah 13:8 and Jeremiah 16:15) exactly how Jesus The Christ said would happen since God us everything to come in The Scriptures and not just because people were working towards as Atheists claim which are impossible for any regular man to predict.
Just before anyone says Christianity is a white man's religion made to oppress blacks during slavery you obviously aren't aware that the first Christians were Jews in The Middle East and that Christianity just like any religion can be used by evil and corrupt people to oppress others but you forget that the first Abolitionists/Civil Rights activists were Christians who sought to abolish slavery, racism, segregation, injustice and prejudice throughout American history. Jesus The Christ loves you enough not to give you what we all deserve which is God's Wrath by His Own Blood. Charles Darwin didn't originally come up with The Theory of Evolution over 200 years ago as it is mentioned in the writings of Ancient Greeks who believed in Demons that gave knowledge to philosophers.
Evolution makes no sense when nothing has evolved after thousands of years of human history and supposedly the first creature came from primordial sludge several millions of years
ago funny how they won't believe that God an Eternal Almighty Spirit Being created us from the Earth) which came from a supermassive expansion of matter at high temperature that inexplicably created everything in the known universe that supposedly came from nothing billions of years ago. How did the organs evolve before there were bones, skin, substance and how did any creatures see before eyes evolved? I've studied evolution and abiogenesis in the past and read Darwin's " On The Origin of Species" and I'm not convinced of macro Evolutionary biology but I accept micro Evolution such as speciation and adaptation because there's no evidence of macro Evolutionary biology nor clear observable examples of it where living creatures evolve into other kinds of species plus the fact that fossils don't show evidence of evolution and genetic entropy rules out evolution. The question begs how did two genders evolve from a common ancestor with a perfectly hospitable and sustainable environment with breathable oxygen and resources to survive on inexplicably? Atheists have the burden of proof to explain how everything came to be and why our existence is possible without the Existence of God from an godless perspective just as Christians have to provide evidence of God's Existence and the validity of His Word.
Evolution requires life to already exist in order to take any effect in living organisms so it doesn't account for the existence of Life and reality. Also evolution is impossible because it goes against The Law of entropy and the second Law of thermodynamics because evolution makes things better whereas nothing continues to get better but decays and turns to absolute destruction in the end. Mark Ridley an Evolutionist said "No evolutionist whether gradualist or punctuationist uses the fossil record as evidence in favor of The Theory of Darwinian Evolution as opposed to special Creation". God's Existence is made perfectly known and observable in the universe as demonstrated in His Handiwork in the intelligently designed manner that Creation was made, human consciences and consciousness historical and archaeological evidence of God's Word being valid history, fulfillment of Bible Prophecies God in His Holiness and Righteousness could give us what we deserve in Hell for our since but He's merciful to give us free will to choose to accept or reject His gift of salvation by grace through faith in His Son Jesus. I don't mean this is any condescending manner but if you'd like to discuss The Scriptures with me or have me listen to your view on anything my instagram account is Savage Christian Kombatant.
Understanding the argument doesn't act as evidence for the argument or do anything to make it true.
@@jarrod752 it doesn't disprove God either
Love it what you’re doing on your channel! It’s so refreshing to have a Hub to come to showcasing this type of truth. For years, I used to have to dig up all the different sites and resources myself search great to see them all in one place. 🙏🏾
great video and view, thank you!
wonderful video John Lennox is the BEST!..and thank you for the heart part of belief in the last few minutes.
As I’ve been reading through God’s word I have also started to think about this. Why do we also believe that we are going to be able to explain the eternal creator of everything? Wasn’t the whole point on being man is to not know as much as God Himself, but to the the Image of Him.
What a pathetic excuse for ignorance, if everyone shared the same sentiments as your intellectually oppressed mind we would never make any advancements as a species in fact we would still be in the Bronze Age, have a little courage and dare to think for yourself
But to not even have proof of his existence is to live with the possibility of blissful ignorance, how are we to know that this is truth given that we are told it's not our job to know the truth or not but to believe. This fundamentaly makes the belief of God no different to hoping you're told you're told the truth and by extension is better to believe that we will never know what the answer for our creation really is.
The issue is no Christian can demonstrate that the God of the Bible exists or is more likely to exist than not. Evidence points to the Bible being most likely fiction.
@@munchiemunchie5226 Since science has no evidence or theory for the possibility of abiogenesis, the only logical theory left is creation. Atheists reject the principle of logic in science as soon as they sniff ID, but still … Intelligent Design is a theory that is quickly gaining ground in the scientific world. You can of course name ID just as you like. You can name it god or flying spagetti monster or flying tea pot, it doesn’t change the fact of ID.
However the existence of God is demonstrated all the time around us by indicium.
Atheists claim that lack of belief in God stems from a lack of evidence or empirical proof. However, atheists seemingly do not understand what means “evidence”. Evidence is an outward sign. Indication means evidence. Since we normal people see indications of God, we have the evidence for God existing. If atheists are not able to see the indications of God, it’s rather their problem.
Atheists neither do understand what means “empirical”. Empirical means originating in or based on observation or experience. Since normal people observe and experience God’s work, God does exist. If atheists are not able to observe and experience God’s work, it’s their problem.
Atheists will forever be searching for a materialistic explanation to the origin of life, origin of DNA-code and origin of universe. All in vain. They’ll be blinded forever. Without a provable mechanism for the beginning of life, any evolution theory remains fiction. Life comes from life, a creative code comes from an intelligent mind but nothing comes out of nothing. Louis Pasteur proved the first, computer programmers prove the second, the laws of physiques prove the third.
The evidence for God is compelling.
If atheists are not interested in things like the origin of life or the cause of biodiversity etc. they can just go on blindfolded. But if they are interested in such things, they have to find answers to many confusing questions like …
Without God, life must have started by abiogenesis which would be against the 2nd Law of Thermodynamics. How could that be explained?
What to think of the "Universal Common Ancestor" which is the cornerstone of evolution theory. There is no scientifically valid evidence for its existence in the past, but being evolutionist you must believe it anyway. Would that be a problem? Or would you just pass the question?
What to think of the unfounded and scientifically unproven evidence of transitional fossil species? This the atheists should explain for their own credibility. Or would you explain like the Neo-Darwinists that “the intermediate fossils are there, we just don’t find them”.
Why should we need to demonstrate that the creator was "a specific god"? Intelligent Design is Intelligent Design and, being the mathematically more credible theory, it contradicts the atheistic Almighty Happenstance.
Logical science confirms that everything has been, is and will be exactly as Bible tells. Bible predicts entropy and entropy indeed rules in the universe. All Bible’s prophesies as well have fulfilled. No other scripture has succeeded as well or at all.
@@munchiemunchie5226
Romans 17-23 is the answer to that question
For therein is the righteousness of God revealed from faith to faith: as it is written, The just shall live by faith.
For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who hold the truth in unrighteousness;
Because that which may be known of God is manifest in them; for God hath shewed it unto them.
For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:
Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened.
Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools,
And changed the glory of the uncorruptible God into an image made like to corruptible man, and to birds, and fourfooted beasts, and creeping things.
There was a good video I just happened to watch on this as well right before I saw this comment:
czcams.com/video/OeWMT0bRMPw/video.html
BRILLIANT: both the interview and your commentary!
Apologetics is the word you are looking for.
Man you do great stuff, thank you!
What a great video - thank you.
Lennox raises a good point: science discusses 'how' without explaining personal 'why', let alone the cause of divine love 🙏✝️💒
Theism doesn't explain 'why' either - it's smoke and mirrors. Snake oil.
@@nitsujism Sure it does
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What answers does atheism provide regarding the origin of life?
I don't see any reason to suppose that desire is fundamental to the universe. I consider desire to be complex interaction of simpler bits. So when Lennox posits God wanting to do something, I don't assume that it stops at that point.
How does God want something? Does it have a brain? If so, how did the brain come to exist? If not, how can something without a brain have desires?
@@mesplin3
1) If we as humans are part of the universe, desire is critical to survival, developing civilization, social pleasure and individual meaning, etc. IMO Your definition of desire has no soul
2) Why call God 'it', instead of 'He'?
3) Why be opposed to God wanting to love his creation?
4) What is so objectionable to positing that God created the universe from outside of its existence?
5) Why shouldn't there be a connection between physical brain and a metaphysical or spiritual mind that desires?
6) How is it illogical that we obtain love, sadness, etc from the highest Creator and when we die as humans, that soul is returned to our highest Authority?
@@freedominion7369 1) I assume that other people have desires. However, I don't assume that rocks have desires. How does one determine if God is similar to a person having desires or similar to a rock lacking desires? Supposedly God created both.
2) The word "it" could apply to a "he" or "she" or something else. Christians tend to use "he" for God's pronouns, but until empirical evidence demonstrating the existence of God's genitals, I consider "it" to be more appropriate.
3) That's an interesting thought. You feel that your emotions/mind has a divine source? If so, do you not believe that free will exists? Do you feel as if you are a type of puppet that is manipulated by supernatural entities?
Coming from Northern Ireland, I'm proud to come from the same place that produced both John Lennox and C.S. Lewis.
Thanks for your comment, never knew C.S. Lewis was from Northern Ireland, just knew he was from the UK.
Brilliant and inspiring. Much needed in the times in which we live. Thank you so much.
"... They don't understand the biblical concept of God"
But it's the same construct developed prior to Abraham and Paul.
We are still talking about unknowable omnipotence through intermediaries; be that a wise villager, a priest or priestess, or a nobody claiming divinity.
The Sumerians believe they got it right, so did the Egyptians, so did the Chinese, etc.
Pointing to any particular text as inscrutable evidence of it's own validity is a rather typical characteristic of religion, not a unique one within Christianity.
Had to search far for some dissent. I was really hoping this video was going to be eye opening but it’s the same charismatic nonsense.
@@jamesskinner4752how so ? This was actually very eye opening for me as an ex atheist of 3 months. I have been asking these questions for weeks now and this helped a lot
The wisdom from this channel is outstanding.
❤😊😊😊❤❤❤God bless you
Thank so much & please pray that God would use this video to draw people to Himself! That TODAY would be the day of Salvation 🙏❤️
@@Daily_Dose_Of_Wisdom these videos are of the caliber that you watch them over again and take notes, the material on your channel is like a artist who carefully picks and chooses the best materials in preparation for creating another of his master pieces.
Come on people...let's get the likes in!!! Spread this channel
And what is wisdom?
@@keepthechange2811 Wisdom is immaterial just like God is immaterial. We can't see or touch wisdom but we can see its influence.
Love those guys. Mr. Lennox is such a joy to listen to. What a blessing. Thank you for the video.
They want to bind God to the physical properties of the creation. If you code a computer program, It will have a rule set by which it functions, while adhering to it's designed parameters. Outside of the program, you as the coder are in no way bound by those rule sets. Although, you still have the full ability to add a patch adding new functionality at any time.
There is no creation.
@@tontonbeber4555 Okay. So what is this reality we live in? Where did it come from, and why? How does that which makes it up, know what to do on a quantum level? Come on, use your head.
Amen! Good video and thank you
How come I can’t think this quickly and rationally? Thanks so much for sharing this instructive video with your comments. You really encourage me with these videos and you are helping me explain God better to my neighbours.
You are so welcome! And thank you for sharing Christ brother!
The Jordan, Euphrates, Bow and EL-bow are all rivers 🙌 ALLELUIA 🙌 A-men' 🌿
XD John Lennox truly is a genius.
Practice
I guarantee you that you have other gifts just as valuable. There are many gifts of the Spirit. Even being a good friend is a HUGE gift, just ask the person you befriended!
I once struggled with a concept that I believed God was trying to warn me about while in science class my either my 10th or 11th grade year. My science instructor had a philosophical way of explaining the concepts of life and posed thought-provoking questions. I couldn't articulate my thoughts or begin to understand the fear or anxiety I felt, but one thing was for sure he didn't shy away the reduction of life in its abundance. A thought crossed my mind that this was the type of thinking that was needed to push the limits of our understanding of the universe and to be able to conceptualize it more fully. Then another thought occurred later on that foresaw unethical and immoral acts being carried out to achieve some of the things that was brought into my purview. It's was a scary thought, and I have come to the conclusion that some scientist purposely avoid knowing God in order to carry out some these unethical experimentations because they know they are going against God when they do so even without knowing him fully.
John 3:19-21
19. And this is the verdict:
The Light has come into the world, but men loved the darkness rather than the Light because their deeds were evil.
20. Everyone who does evil hates the Light, and does not come into the Light for fear that his deeds will be exposed.
21. But whoever practices the truth comes into the Light, so that it may be seen clearly that what he has done has been accomplished in God.
You DO know that beliving or not believing in something doesnt change its existence? Just because you believe theres no gravity it doesnt mean you can fly. Same way, just because you believe you have perfect morals doesnt mean you do, and that you believe other people are afraid of god doesnt make it true either.
Plenty of immoral and unethical acts are carried out EVERY SINGLE DAY by people who pray to their invisible "father".
Or did you suddenly forget about that while you were coming to your grand epiphany?
You forget that CHRISTIANS must obey THE WORDS OF THE CHRIST, so if somebody isn't doing that, then they are not one of us and you can't use them in a "gotcha" moment. Sorry. 😉
Cope as much as you want, you can't escape THE TRUTH, no one can.
"...it's boiling because I want a cup of tea".
Genius response, which suggests the world is of the result of our collective intent, and in the original intent was the word of God "let there be light".
It is stupid response, not genius. You may want a cup of tea, pray for it, standing on your head and nothing would happen. You must start adding energy to the water if you want warm water.
@@user-wx3cw3dg5p Intent is followed by action (given that action never occurs without intent). You can't even see past your own preconceived ideas, you couldn't properly comprehend to point he was making. Keep yourself constrained to this materialistic worldview all you want, doesn't mean you need to pull us down with you.
@@PLVC3BO problem is you are not able to see. Even before the question is made you know the answer. God. You know the answer and twist everything to get the answer you want
On the other hand, I am looking for truth.
@@user-wx3cw3dg5pthen eventually brother, you will find him.
@@user-wx3cw3dg5p You are the most noble person ever to use the internet....
As a devout Catholic that has experienced deep grief I can very much empathize with the problem of evil and suffering. I think we underestimate how fundamentally rattled we can be when your world turns upside down, especially when we are trying to hold to an omnipotent and good God that wants our happiness. I think it’s a bit reductionist to say that atheists are simply selfish or rebellious. There are many legitimate questions surrounding the idea of a good God who nevertheless appears to allow or command actions which run counter to our moral instincts. I believe there are beautiful resolutions to these questions, but if I’m being honest, I don’t find those answers coming from the bulk of the Christian community. In fact I usually encounter a narrow philosophy of the world that puts enmity between the two orders of creation, the natural and the supernatural, and so many legitimate questions are cut short before they can be asked, That is, until we start to suffer or witness great evil at which point our philosophy crumbles and we begin to yell at God. Many, if not most atheists are former Christians of some kind, and they tend to be less naive than practicing believers. Fundamentally we should want the world to add up and make sense and I’m just not sure there’s a lot of effort to understand the actual issue here.
There is not one redeeming feature in our superstition of Christianity. It has made one half the world fools, and the other half hypocrites.
Thomas Jefferson
This is brilliant. Lennox, Metaxas and Your own fill in explanations. Great work.
One of the biggest annoyances I have when it comes to watching a debate is the fact that some peoples arguments might not be clear or easy to understand especially for me or any other average viewer. I always love when you step it to explain it simply I’m pretty sure someone said if you can’t explain it simply you don’t know it well enough. Thank you and blessed are you for listening to the words of God, brother!
Part of that, sometimes, is done purposefully. Debates are a competition. It’s not always about the right answer but who can present their arguments in a way that makes them difficult to rebuke. If you stump your opponent with words they don’t understand, they may try to rebuke points you didn’t make because they misunderstood what you said. That wins points in a debate.
And sometimes it’s just because they’re used to talking to and debating super smart people and don’t need to “dumb” it down.
god has a brother now? lol.
@@MiltonMoJunction okay I missed a comma. You got me good.
This will help. Aristotle's famous formulas.
A is B illogical impossible contradiction
Logic science 101
CONSCIOUSNESS ARGUMENT
A unconsciousness caused the illogical impossible contradiction effect of
B the logical non-contradiction of consciousness in the universe
A is B illogical impossible contradiction an ABSOLUTE Atheist scientist false scientific hypothesis
INTELLIGENT DESIGN ARGUMENT
A is B
A non intelligence caused the illogical impossible contradiction effect of
B intelligence in the universe
This is A is B an illogical impossible contradiction a Atheist false scientific hypothesis. This is an ABSOLUTE
BEING ARGUMENT
A non being caused the illogical impossible contradiction effect of
B logical non-contradiction effect of being in the universe
Now only the opposite is true. Logically a conscious intelligent being ABSOLUTELY EXISTS to cause the logical non-contradiction effect of conscious intelligent being in the universe. End of debate. This is simple.
Debates are overrated, period. Whether a person is a believer or nonbeliever, they are by necessity only surface level. Too many people spend way too much time and energy at this level.
Yeah, it literally just dawned on me that atheism bases its view on reality and science on a set of assumptions. Take mathematics, for example - how odd it is (and convenient) to ignore the reconciliation of math, which is infinite (and which describes our universe), existing within a finite universe. This is just one of many examples. But it’s mind blowing
another way of seeing this exists. Mathematics is a human language just like English or Chinese providing another vehicle of communication and description besides images from our senses.
God Bless you and this channel
Very good central point, but I would raise one question: Isn't the evidence of what we call "mind" just as much an assumption of seeking the Architect in THAT design as looking for it in the hardware?
Yes but I believe the concept is a little along the lines of one world view doesn’t believe there is a reason why rationality exists whereas the other posits that it rationality was intentionally made so that it could be interpreted. It’s offering a worldview in which there is a rational justification for logic. ‘Thinking Gods thoughts after him’ is the expression. At the end of the day both are assumptions but one assumption makes more logical sense.
No
He puts into perspective the fact that those laying claim to science are quite often just spouting their own opinion.
Well yes because science comes from religion.
@@CandiceGoddard brain rot comes from religion. Example. You
I don't think any of you get why that question is asked by atheists, and it's baffling. The concept of an eternal God is not hard to understand from someone that gives more credence to an eternal universe. The question is a rhetorical and verbal slap to your logic. As in answering that question not only makes you hypocritical, but outright denies the claim that's trying to be made. It's asked so that the receiver of the question can hopefully hear the paradox or fallacies they are saying. But they do not, so perhaps it is a pointless question. I choose the scientific approach because they constantly admit when they are wrong or not sure of something with clear evidence or logical debate to support it. Everyone else just doubles down and ignores what's not good for their stance. Anything that cannot admit when it could be wrong is a liar in my eyes and has a bigger objective and goal than simply saying the truth.
@@foxgeist3129 Correct me if I'm wrong, but I am pretty sure you just laid claim to a monopoly on science. Try not to break your arm patting yourself on the back.
@@beestoe993 a monopoly on science? Wtf are you even talking about? Literally anybody can do science and find the same evidence as the millions in the scientific community all over the world. That was what you concluded from what I said? I can't even begin to describe how intellectually depressing I find that. Like looking out into a dry, barren desert and finding nothing of worth. Also, your original comment is literally nothing but patting yourselves on the back for making up an argument that isn't even the argument, and winning it and cheering. 🤣🤣
Always enjoy your videos
Such a great talk. I fail to see the need to re-explain and interrupt this conversation with self promotion etc. Thank you for posting though.
We definitely are not just chemicals. We have a soul and spirit. Deep down - nobody can deny that
I mean...we can.
There are plenty of people that don't think that the soul, or the spirit, is a real thing.
From my perspective, and from the perspective of many others, we're entirely physical entites.
The closest thing to a soul I would recognise as existing is the electro-chemical reactions taking place in our brains and nervous system.
@@bladeofhel "From my perspective, and from the perspective of many others, we're entirely physical entites"
And yet, according to scientists our entire universe is comprised of only 6.2% of regular matter (31% total matter, of which 80% of that is dark matter which we don't even slightly understand). That sure leaves a massive amount of the universe that is completely unknown to us. The idea that the tiny 6.2% provides a full (or even accurate) representation of the complete nature of this universe is laughably naïve at best. And that is even assuming that we know absolutely everything there is to know about that 6.2% (which we most certainly don't come even close to fully understanding yet).
"I mean...we can."
You absolutely CAN deny what the OP is saying... but don't try to act like you are using logic or reason to arrive at that conclusion. You are just making the decision to ignore everything that is not simple and already predetermined for you. Not unlike Flat Earthers ignoring aspects of reality that don't fit their preferred ideas so they can continue to feel comfortable in their ignorance.
"The closest thing to a soul I would recognise as existing is the electro-chemical reactions taking place in our brains and nervous system"
I mean, you do you. Whatever you want to limit in your life is entirely up to you... but it doesn't look very intelligent to tell the world that you are proud that you willfully ignore the very existence of 93.8% of our universe. That's the kind of thing I would be keeping to myself.
@@rickh5088 You're making some incredible reaches there.
Dark matter, for example...while we might not understand it, it has physical effects on reality...the reason we even have the concept of dark matter is because of things like galaxies that move and behave as though they have far more mass than they should have based on what we can detect and calculate.
We don't have that kind of obvious gap with humans, and what we're made of. There isn't some sort of missing piece there.
There is zero evidence of anything about what humans do or experience that even hints at the idea that there's anything non-physical about us.
And there is a massive amount of evidence concerning literally every aspect of human conciousness, and experience, that supports the idea its physical.
Next time, before you try to use scientific concepts that you clearly know very little about to try to put forth "we don't know, therefore we can just believe whatever we like" as a valid argument, maybe do some research into these topics, as the two areas of knowledge that you're trying to draw an equivalence between are completely different in terms of quantity and quality of the available data.
Imagine house is burning near river. Every man has a bucket. Every individual may run to the river, fill the bucket with water, run to the house, empty bucket in the fire. Or, they can make a chain. One man is filling the bucket, give it to the second man, he gives it to the third and story goes until last man in the chain empties bucket on the fire.
Same number of man and same number of buckets but chain is more effective.
We are not just pile of chemicals and electric energy. We are organized chemichals and ekectric energy. Effect is greater than simple sum.
There is no soul.
Sorry for my bad english, I hope you understand
The soul isn't falsifiable and all we can ascribe to it can explained as subjective experience. Unless you take stories about the Afterlife at face value, which again raises the same problem; circular reasoning.
A patchwork of unfalsifiable claims and suppositions that would support each other if true.
Makes me think of those stories where someone is supposed to have bartered their soul for something tangible and demon possession as an explanation for things like epileptic seizures and neurological conditions.
That's some lovely logical explanations. Btw, your mustache is epic.
there isnt a single shred of evidence for a god of any kind or shape. but if there was a god they wouldnt be worthy of worship any way
So helpful - thank you 🙌
Rereading Eric Metaxas "Is Atheism Dead" and this is a great supplement to his book. Thank you.
"Is Atheism dead?" Now THAT is funny. Christian churches are losing adherents by the boatload while the number of folks claiming to be Atheist, Agnostic, or "no religious affiliation" are climbing fast. The question being begged by the facts should be "Is Christianity dead". Not yet, but it can't happen soon enough.
I studied physics cause I wanted to learn what god knew, and what you learned Is god knows more than we every will…
God appears to know exactly as much as we do! And apparently only when we do.🐹
@@CR-yd4qe And acts on very human emotions.
But Gödel proved god cannot know everything.
Dr. Lennox blows me away with this. Absolutely beautiful
There was a time in my life I actually tried NOT to believe. It was motivated by my moral failings. I was devastated by some of the things I had done and ran away from faith as fast as I could. Every day though, I saw with my own two eyes that none of this was accidental or unguided. And when I considered "the problem of evil" I realized that I am the problem.
"Nothing can exist without a cause/creator, therefore god!"
"So what caused or created god?"
"He didn't have any!"
A perfect example of Special Pleading. And that's before you get to the bit where he somehow manages to pick just one singular creator god AND one singular version of it even though his "arguments" apply just as well to any creator god, thousands of which he doesn;t bellieve in.
You got the first one wrong. "Nothing that is cause to exist can exist without a cause."
Without an uncaused cause you are left with infinite regression. That's untenable. That uncaused cause must have certain characteristics, namely that it/he isn't contingent in any way. The uncaused cause must be immutable and unchanging.
If you want to understand the logic behind all this I recommend hunting for some lectures by Edward Feser (pronounced phaser).
I wouldn't deny your right to be an atheist, but you should at least be correct about theists.
@@jon__doeOh yes, I am quiqte aware that theists attempt to get around it by further Special Pleading, that is, granting whatever characteristics are necessary to justify their claim, whilst at the same time allowing "God" to break all the rules they claim mean "God" exists. You are indeed left with infinite regression otherwise, which is why theists exempt Goid from having a cause whilst insisting that everything else must have a cause.
@@richardgregory3684 granting? You aren't as familiar as you think.
@@richardgregory3684 special pleading applies where parameters are applied inconsistently to objects within the same context or set to which they are objectively linked. When it comes to God, special pleading is not applicable, because the claim of God is that he is the primary creator of all created reality, and that as that primary creator he is (and logically must be) eternal and outside of it. To put it another way, if God was created then he could not be the primary creator - he would simply be a part of creation, which means he would not be God.
In other words, to satisfy the requirement to avoid "Special Pleading" in the way you have argued it, this can only apply if we refer to a created god who cannot be God. As such, as soon as anyone says "OK so God must have been created..." that isn't God anymore. That's a false god.
Your content is incredible. Thank you🙏
Thank you for the encouragement! All glory to God 🎉❤
he's stealing content. he's riding on the coat tails of popular speakers and only adds the bare minimum to avoid breaking copyright laws.
@@juan_martinez524 you sound ridiculous
@@provokedvideos is that the best you got? If you can’t refute, just insult.
@@juan_martinez524 are you a Christian?
My wife studied Mathematics at the Ph.D level. She didn't just take calculus, she's taught it at the university level. She loves math, because to her, it demonstrates the beauty of God.
Then you mean that mathematics and god are just the same thing ...
@@tontonbeber4555 Not at all.
@@professorwiggins3290 Then I don't understand your point of view. Mathematics are universal, they are far above god. Mathematics even prove that the god from the bible with all the described properties cannot exist.
@@tontonbeber4555 What's your math background?
"That was a fake hug by Steph". I'm goneee😂😂😂😂
I remember asking my Mom when I was about 7, if God made us who made God? It was the first time I ever heard her ssy "I don't know"
What a precautious little 7 year old you were. At 7 I was playing in the mud or sea any chance I got.
We create because we were created, the world creates because it was created for us.... again, we are the clay, he is the potter....
Beautifully said! Amen
And we, humans, even created god to serve our desires of eternity
The who created God question is just ridiculous it says that you don't know who God is.
No, it doesn't.
The god itself is ridiculous. It's just an human creation.
God ofthe gaps is when somebody doesnt have a scientific explanwtion for something, and instead of doing any research or putting any effort into finding the explanation , god is just inserted as the explanation .
This edition is absolutely USEFUL!
I am indebted to you guys.🎉
God bless you.
We need more John Lennox in this current generation. I wonder what will the future of Apologetics be considering that recent generations like millennials and gen z are less interested in religion. Hopefully we will have a new breed of John Lennox.
I’ve been thinking the same thing, but the positive side of me believes that there is a pendulum shift happening and there’s actually a lot of people running back to religion and a society of more conservative values because we’ve hit rock bottom and people are waking up.
How can you hate him ❤❤✝️, it is impossible. Dr John Lennox is modern mens' guru towards Christianity and his testimony and debates brings people to Jesus Christ. God bless him ❤👏🫂
The "uncaused eternal thing" is randomness, chaos and failure.
Lennox is so wise. We need more people in Science and mathematics, to speak about faith like him.
real.
Most people in science and mathematics don't need a silly superstition to cling to.
@@mirandahotspring4019 Most of the celebrated "scientists and mathematicians" do, though. They love to cling to irrational ideas.
@@mirandahotspring4019 clinging to science only is like... secular scientists do Not know the source & origin of Life (living organisms). Also, materialistic neurologists do NOT know the source & origin of human Consciousness.
Two Major fundamentals of human nature in which modern science (3 centuries after the enlightenment age began) do not know on earth.
@@mirandahotspring4019are you saying that God is a silly superstition?
I have actually used a similar question to atheists, when they say things in relation with the “big bang” theory, where did the gases come from, that made the “big bang,” they seem to get a little disoriented, and mumble about we don’t know that yet, then I counter with who, or what made the gases?
Nothing comes from nothing.
In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
John 1:1
And they think “we dont know yet” isnt very much Science of the Gaps
@@ithurtsbecauseitstrue It really isn't though. Not knowing something is the direct opposite of knowing something, don't you think?
Not knowing how something happened is not "I know X did/caused it".
The "god of the gaps" means that the "I don't know" is replaced by the "god did it". When science says "I don't know" what is the replacement?
@@speculativebubble5713 Because science - by it's own nature - needs evidence, information, and knowledge.
So when we do not know something - it is lacking. Saying simply "we don't know yet, but there is a physical, scientific answer that we haven't discovered yet" IS a way to patch over that gap with trust in future discovery that has yet to happen.
Since science IS about knowledge - this is indeed a problem - else what is science? the whole definition collapses if we can assume and trust in the unknown rather than the known.
This is NOT true of religion.
In religion we attribute all of creation to God. When we discover how a cell works - that is science. We ALSO attribute this beautiful design to God. The known displays God's handiwork.
To ALSO attribute to God the unknown violates NOTHING.
Life came from non-life. We can attribute the miracle of the rising of life from non-life to God - and it is NOT God of the gaps. God is God - both of gaps, facts, and anything inbetween.
The gap of science (knowledge) is a lack of science (knowledge).
A gap of science (knowledge) is NOT a lack of God.
Science takes a gap in science and attributes it to "god of the gaps." But the gap is in knownledge / science. It is an attempt to attribute the unknown of science into some deficiency or illogic of God. Which is entirely inappropriate.
I always asked myself who was god speaking these "words" to...since there was noone around to listen...
Was him some kind of old madman speaking loudly to himself? :DDDDD
@@dimercamparini Said can mean declare. It need not be a conversation.
Just as "the word" is "the logos" which doesn't merely mean words, but purpose and reason.
Plus, there was a trinity going on. The member that everything was created through and for was the Word (the Logos).
C.s.Lewis' "Mere Christianity" awoke me from my spiritual slumber
Amen 🙏
Same
"You just can't see it because you don't believe hard enough!"
Not true the Bible explains its logic.
@@cryptomatrix1311 and the logic is faulty.
@@Kepora1 I was born a roman catholic that is what turned me off. I think what you are actually trying to criticize is religion.
Christianity is a simple religion. All these other religions are just over complicating. The message of God is clear and it warns against many pit falls.The faulty logic is human logic.
Excellent point. 'The Creator is not going to be made up of the same thing He has created.'
agreed. we create statues out of stone or wood, only a madman would create a statue out of real human parts!
But why can he be made of something some other, higher entity created?
@@raymoss706 Quote: _"But ...'why'... can he be ...'made'..."_
There is no 'why' and God was not 'made'. I don't think we can fully grasp all that God is.
Whenever you look up at the night sky you're staring at eternity. Ask yourself what's on the other side of the edge of space?
Time itself is a creation of God. The Bible is about one third prophecy and some of the prophecies that are 'still' future are stated in the past tense. There's no pattern to it. Time does not apply to God.
@@awaitingthetrumpetcall4529 So, i can imagine an extremely complex being, while claiming that it created us, and you would have to believe that, because you cant understand it?
Why is the creator the biblical god, and not any other god that we can imagine of?
@@ZeYoX-mw7shQuote: _"Why is the creator the biblical god, and not any other god that we can imagine of?"_
Great question.
There is an almost 2,000 year old prophecy in the Bible that says the day is coming when you'll have to have a 'mark' in your right hand or your forehead in order to buy or sell.
In the 70's I thought that meant people would have to be branded like cattle. The technology wasn't invented yet. Today that prophecy is much clearer.
When the globalists talk about the great reset it means they intend to collapse the global economy and replace cash with a digital monetary system. A bio metric device or implant will allow you to tap your hand or scan your forehead. Sadly, a digital system means you will be tracked so you'll have to be obedient or they'll turn your account off.
Atheism functions perfectly well ... inside the little box it creates for itself.
Atheists are no different than the Feminists when it comes to functioning.
Yes, not believing in nonsense tends to function pretty well.
I'm curious.
What box has atheism created for itself?
Because from what I saw in the video...literally every single attempt to critique an atheist argument just demonstrated that the person doing the critiquing didn't understand the argument.
When Lennox is talking about the God of the Gaps argument, for example...he seemed to be operating under the idea that this was an atheist conception about God.
It's not.
The God of the Gaps is a critique about the behaviour of theists: specifically when they use God to explain everything the don't understand, right up until we find a natural explanation for that thing, then they readjust their position, simply removing God from the gap he was in, and replacing him with the natural explanation.
@@bladeofhel
There is no natural explanation, because we aren’t the ones who are all-knowing.
There is also no actual truth and consistent understanding in Atheism, because their "facts" and "standpoints" often change and retcon frequently because their logic and philosophy holds no water.
To avoid gaps, is to tell the origin of the universe in God's perspective through the Bible, we on the other hand are just humans, we’re not Time-Traveling Psychics like how Atheists talk somewhat like, they have definitely developed their own thoughts in a box.
@@bladeofhel I think, then, you may have misunderstood Lennox. His point is that natural explanations do not replace God - they are a complementary, not a conflicting answer. Don't get me wrong, I do appreciate that some Christians have been guilty of suggesting a mutual exclusivity between the two at times, and that's just wrong.
God answers the "Who", "Why" and question of first origin, whilst science explores the mechanisms and processes that apply to and within matter, energy and forces. Evolution for example is a mechanism, not an agent - to the extent evolution exists, it only serves to further strengthen the argument that it must have a creator.
Such a good video. 🙌🙌
Where does our knowledge of science show that a specific deity exists. It could point to Nyx, Chaos, Thanatos, Thoth, Rhea, Ptah, Vulcan, etc.
The pink unicorn. It's much more sympathetic than any other gods ... maybe also the flying spaghetti of course ...
"..And the avatar inside the video game rejected his creator, because it was apparent to him that he had always existed inside that computer, and that he was pixilated, and it seemed silly to him that another world existed outside the computer screen upon which he played, because he simply had no evidence that the simulation had been created by an unseen being."
Love your channel dude, your doing a great service to those who take the time to watch your content. This type of content is, in my opinion, an amazing way to bring people to God. God bless you for your work and keep it up. 🙏
I am in awe of this, never in the history of forever has Metaxis gone so long without talking over the other person.
Want to talk about basic misunderstanding.... You did an amazing job at it here. And being this intellectual dishonest is exceptionally on brand.
I fully appreciate what you are doing believing it to be not only important but honoring to GOD as well. With that said I also see a problem that needs to be addressed which is that all the evidence, or "proof", in the world will never change some people's mind aside from GOD's intervention. It's like the analogy Jesus gave in Luke 16:19-31 of the rich man & Lazarus with the rich man winding up in hell & wanting Abraham to warn his brothers, remember what Abraham told him?
Luke 16:31
And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead.
People like Hawkins along with his acolytes would never listen to reason because they already have their minds made up, their hearts have been hardened & even if Jesus Himself appeared before them then preformed a miracle they still wouldn't believe. I'm also remind that we are called Dead in our sin before GOD makes us alive with dead men having no ability to change Aside from the intervention of GOD.
Now I'm not saying that this means that we should wring our hand in the matter, by no means, because we are ALL called to preach the Good News of The Gospel rather that we need to be aware that it's only by an act of GOD that some come to Salvation while others will never be convinced. But again by no means does that mean we should give up or ever allow that to never stop us!
Yes
Ruach haKodesh is the key
One doesn’t turn the door to understanding without the key
He explains how I feel about the world around us. I find beauty in all of it. That the environment can be the way it is and work. It astounds me that nature can exist in such a way. So much so that I can only say it was created by a being of vast knowledge and foresight.
I admire his work.
That's very cute but can you prove someone made the tree you find so pretty? Or is the tree just a consequence of billions of years of chemical evolution?
@@Asmokedetector can you prove the chemical evolution, its origin and its lifespan? No, not unless your fudging numbers on dated dating systems, filling in lost time and when you reach its origin… you have no conclusive cause. Does evolution exist? Yes. Is it as simple as we think it is? No. As someone who has studied ecology in university, I find it astounding how often my colleagues have accepted hypothesis and simple micro evolution as concrete evidence for the lack of God. It’s ridiculous and there is just as much of a chance of some Creator as there is none. Please think before you try to sound smart against someone’s beliefs, friend.
But and then where did chemicals, molecules and the universe come from? It just goes back to the point mentioned in the video. And to just reject the possibility of a god would be foolish when our own understanding is ever evolving and very limited. I believe god exists outside our space time and is very real but I couldn’t prove it.
@@nils_of_earth We don't know where matter came from, if it ever came from anything, if that's really necessary, but to throw in your specific version of an unprovable deity certainly isn't helping. Actually hindering humanity.
Being too fearful to embrace the fact that we may never know the origin of all things and to place a sentient figure in the center of all of it is just more oil to the fires of delusion.
No one looking from a materialistic worldview will ever be able to explain consciousness. It will never be explained because every person sees the world within his own consciousness but can't see how an object within the world creates consciousness separate from his own because he can't switch himself into another consciousness. He knows that the existence of consciousness is irrefutable because he has his own, yet he can't observe any direct connection between consciousness and the physical world. In that sense, consciousness is inherently supernatural. This is the fundamental problem that can never be explained by atheists.
Wow. The boiling water/cup of tea idea really hit me this morning. What a great illustration about the relationship between God and science. The two are NOT at odds with each other. Never heard it described so simply before. John Lennox is so good.
I wish my SIL understood this. She thinks science is the antithesis of religion. She claims to have had religious trauma but the fact of the matter is she is an only child who was spoiled absolutely rotten growing up and nothing was ever enough for her. She is a narcissist. She has to be the center of attention. She constantly gaslights. She treats her parents like garbage. She has to be different. She's contrarian for the sake of being a spiteful person. She loves shock value. (Going so far as to use an LGBT person to achieve it...I'm not going to elaborate but yes, really.) She pretends to be p a g a n. She is having a baby soon and her registry is full of stuff for HER. The very few things on there for the baby are purposely neutral. It's not for the sake of practicality, either. She is going to make that child some sort of LGBT and my brother (who was raised Christian but fell away in the teen years and never had any desire to go back) has no backbone to stop her. I know that's not what he wants for his child but he's a big fat wimp. May God have mercy on that poor child.
John Lennon* is so good. fixed it for you.😊
But the whole the water boils because I want a cup of tea doesn't work.
The desire for something to be is irrelevant without action and reaction.
Without the kettle, the pipes, the water treatment plant, the water pumps, the gas pumps, stove and your understanding of how to use that equipment makes a cup of tea.
Your desire for the tea will not ever make the tea, the belief of tea being somewhere out there will not make you tea.
I'll tell you what.
You sit in a field and pray for a cup of tea with zero outside involvement, just your desire and want for tea.
And I'll rely on the decades of science and engineering to make my tea.
Who will be drinking first?
"But the whole the water boils because I want a cup of tea doesn't work."
Would the water boil by itself if I didn't want a cup of tea?
He's not saying that a desire for tea will make tea. He's saying that the desire for tea is what puts the science and engineering into motion to make the tea.
It's not faith versus science. It's why versus how.
Sitting in a field and praying for a cup of tea will not bring me one. But neither will "decades of science and engineering" unless an intelligent mind first decides it wants a cup of tea.
I think you may agree with the analogy more than you realize.