Yes. Worst call. An investigation needs to be done. Clearly this non call had ramifications to outcome of that season. I have hired a team of lawyers and filed the proper paperwork to protest this call. We have still yet to hear back for a court date, however, we are confident that we receive one soon. We intend to follow up on many leads, regarding on issue of whether the umpire acted alone, or does this go much deeper into the organization. We also have notified the FBI, DOJ, Homeland Security, and National Guard. We will make this right.
Over a child's baseball game??? Wowza just let them play they are children no need to be going to court because of a little kid baseball game. I have no hope fo rthe next few generations good greif
I think the Ump probably made a mistake. I also think that all of the children playing the game will go on to lead a normal life. Except for the ones whose parents are heard berating the ump and especially the person who posted the video. What was the goal exactly?
The children will, yes. But the parents can’t be helped this late in life. I hope they have a fully stocked lineup of umpires ready to go when this one quits. I know our leagues in STL are lucky to have a single ump most of the time. Parents: have a talk with the ump off to the side in between innings or when the game ends. Dont try to show an umpire up in the middle of a game.
It’s Little League people. Little league players and little league officials. They aren’t umpiring MLB for the many reasons stated here. Adulting is hard…
I mean, as a fielder you don't expect the batter to be charging at you, blocking the ball, nearly running into the pitching cicle. So yeah, I can see why she was safe.
I was an NCAA Umpire for almost 20 years. This here was a kids game and consideration must be given to the age of these very young players. Let me say this. The batter was clearly out of the batter's box when making contact with the pitch....resulting in the batter to be called out and runners returned to their bases at the moment of the pitch. What's important here is that an Umpire, base or plate know the rules and many other aspects of being the 3rd team on the field. Go to school. There are many schools to learn not only the mechanics of being an Umpire but also the rules of the level of play that you are expected to know. Yes, it was a terrible call but only because the officials have not been trained. On, the other hand...thank you for your volunteer work, the kids need you.
I coached baseball and softball and how the umpire could not have called her out for being out of the box is beyond me. She couldn’t stop to she just about reached the pitchers mound.WOW WTF
I wouldn’t even say clearly. I slowed down the video and her right foot was still in the box (though the video skips a bit and the foot maybe slightly off the ground) at the time of contact and rules are that only one foot needs to be inside the box at time of contact. So while I won’t say definitively she was in the box, it’s definitely not “clearly outside the batted box”. I thought the argument was going to be how many steps she took toward the pitchers mound after contact as being out of the baseline and possible interference.
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This simple explanation of "Base Path" is this: "No base path exists UNTIL a defensive player is in possession of the ball ready to make a tag". The runner may run anywhere they wish up until that time, and once that criteria is met the base path is then a straight line from where the runner is to the base, with the allowance of a 3 foot deviation either side of that line. If the runner turns around to run to another base, the base path is now established between the runner and the new base. The period of time where the ball is in transit between defensive players, no "base path" exists.
There are a few things here that seem to be misunderstood. Please look up the rules before commenting. 1st ruling that needed to happen is making contact with a foot outside the batters box. That is a tough one to see from behind the plate and much easier on this video. 2nd ruling is the ball touched the bat. The bat did not touch the ball. 3rd ruling is how the batter/runner hindered the initial play on the batted ball. Hindered, confused....... What do you think we have there? 4th ruling. Base line. Base path. Running lane. None of these come into play here by rule. Without knowing the rule set these kids are playing under, I can't quote the rule number.
It was absolutely a hinderance because she had to contend with the batter charging the mound, which denied the pitcher a fair chance to initially move towards the ball.
Well put. Did appear the left foot was out of the box but that's a call missed a lot unless it's really obvious. It's also pretty debatable whether or not the batter runner hindered the pitcher fielding the ball. The batter runner was out of the running lane but since F4 caught the throw at 1B there's no interference. The umpire may have missed the batter being out of the box but I don't see anything aggregious on that play.
Maybe the fix was on and the umpire had money on the game. We need the feds to get involved here. See how stupid this all sounds . That’s the way parents sound in a little league game. If you want to teach the kids the game you call time out , explain the rules to them and just play. You win, you lose they’ll figure the rest out.😊
Moms screaming out of the basepath makes my skin crawl. For god sake, look up the rule. This play and every other one you embarrass yourself during. There is no basepath! Once there is a play on you, then you have to run directly to the base in front or behind you. You can round first base and go past the right fielder until there is a play on you.
So many people do not understand the rules of baseball including @curran's who posted and created this topic. The only violation here is maybe her making contact outside the box. The only running lane occurs if there is interference. This is why Umps are quitting at record pace, parents who think they know rules and berate Umps who, for the most part, do know the rules.
Spot on. If those that complained and stop this video at the :01 mark, they see that contact was made by the batter with her left foot out of the box and her right foot off the ground with continuation to outside the batter's box.
Forget about the box, they're out for leaving the base path. As a pitcher, I would have made contact with the runner and it SHOULD be called runners interference.
@@alanhess9306 Until they make contact with another player...hence the later part of my comment. In any case, she was outside the box when she made contact with the ball.
@@ryant115 True, if the runner impedes the fielder, we should have interference. Just saying the batter-runner may run wherever she wishes. There is no base path until a tag is attempted.
the umpires working this game are pretty obviously poorly trained and inexperienced, afraid to make a call because they just don't know the rules well; they probably realize everything they saw was wrong, but they don't know what rules apply nor how to apply them so they just let it all stand. the batter should've been out for at least 3 infractions; I get that some of them can be tough to see for certain, but they have to had enough enough to call at least one of these: illegally batted ball because of a foot on the ground outside the box when the ball was hit, interference by batter-runner being touched by her own fair batted ball out of the box, and interference by the batter-runner by hindering F1's ability to field the batted ball. no, out of the base line or base path was not one of them
Dave, I always value your comments but I have to disagree with you. 1. You say she shouldve been called out on her foot out of the box. If you stop the video at the moment of bat/ball contact, right foot still in the box(in the air) and left foot looks like the heel is nicking the line, which is considered in the box still. 2. I cant tell if the ball hit the runner or the bat on the ground once it was hit. If I'm not sure, Im not calling anything. Its legal if it def hit the bat which was motionless in softball. 3. I see no batter-runner interference on the throw. She was already across the bag when the 1st baseman caught the ball..........and yes, she caught the ball, so where would you call interference? But, in real time, I wouldve called out of the box just because it looked so weird she HAD to be out lol
@@mptr1783first, I will acknowledge I was being a little harsh on the umpires here; I usually try to keep my comments confined to the rules and the correct call, and refrain from crapping on the umpires. sometimes however I let slip my baser instincts as I did here; I'm trying to point out the on-field value of strong rules knowledge but didn't do it the right way. regarding your points: 1. I've got the left foot clearly out of the box, the only reason it looks close is because her heel is up off the ground and the camera angle. we may just disagree on what we see in the video, that's fine. 2. I'm seeing the ball very likely hit the batter's right hand or hip (see how the shadows merge), but you're right it's hard to be sure 3. the interference I'm talking about is BR being in the way of F1's initial fielding of the batted ball, she can't charge the ball and field it quickly because BR is running right at F1. I'm not talking about any runner's lane sort of interference (does softball even have a runner's lane?) nor any interference with F3 receiving the throw
The pitcher had no choice but to pull up or be run over by the batter should she not veer off to first in time. They were very close to each other when this occurred.
@@steeloned I didnt see the pitcher pullup, but again, I would have no problem with an out being called on multilple possible infractions ....I love outs
You realize that Little Leagues don't always have the same rules as the MLB, right? We don't know what this (clearly local and low-key) league's rules are, or how strictly they're enforced. In fact, I'm not sure we know what state this game was played in (if it was even played in America, which I'm sure it was, but nothing in the video names the state or city).
Oh my goodness, you are right!!! This is the worst call ever😮 get a grip, so he missed the girl being out of the box, it probably didn't have an impact on this little league, means nothing to anyone but the parents game. Grow up!! 😢😢😢
Just because something looks weird (especially at this young age), doesn’t mean anything illegal occurred. Definitely NOT the worst call ever. Might even be a very good call (or no-call).
Completely Agree MwD676!!! People do not understand that the runner creates their basepath. Hard to tell if her entire foot was outside the box at the point of contact. IMO opinion the batter runner does hinder the pitcher’s ability to make a play.
Batters left foot was just out of the box but that's easily missed. The pitcher came foward to get the ball and I didn't see her even hesitate so no interference there. Running out of the running lane only matters if it interferes with the throw being caught at 1B. Since F4 caught the throw at 1B there was no interference.
Runner establishes the baseline. That’s no problem here. All that matters is if she’s in the batters box at moment of contact. Her right foot is in the box. Her left foot is on the line. Given that these lines are clearly just free-handed by a volunteer, and it looks like a 10U game, it’s pretty brutal to call a kid out for bunting with a foot on the line if the batter box. Running a great big circle to first is perfectly fine as long as you don’t hinder the defense or do it to avoid a tag.
Rule 6.05(j) The batter is out when in running the last half of the distance to first base, while the ball is being fielded to first base, the batter runs outside (to the right of) the three foot line, or inside (to the left of) the foul line, and in the umpire’s judgment in so doing interferes with the fielder taking the throw at first base; except that the batter-runner may run outside (to the right of) the three foot line or inside (to the left of) the foul line the to avoid the fielder attempting to field a batted ball. APPROVED RULING: The lines marking the three foot lane are part of the lane and the batter-runner is required to have both feet within the three foot lane or on the lines marking the lane.
@franflanagan U-10 softball more difficult to umpire than a college softball game:) ANYTHING can happen and most of the parents think/act like that know more about the rules than the umpires. Also...could have had possible obstruction by the 1B:) I totally respect the coach when he asked the umpire and did not have the call reversed.
Good no-call - I don't see anything wrong with this. Does it look awkward? Yes, but are there any violations? not any that I would have called. 1. Does the batter make contact with both feet completely outside the batters box? I don't see it, and especially upon live-ball review by an umpire behind the plate, I don't see anything obvious. 2. Does the batter-runner hit the ball with the bat in fair territory? - No, the batter drops the bat, and the ball then touches the bat - very different than the batter reaching out with the bat still in hand and touching a fair ball. Again, no violation, live ball. 3. Does the batter-runner interfere with the defense making a play at first because of her position outside the runner's lane. Again, no - while she did take a very awkward path to 1st base, I don't see any hinderance or interference on the play. Now - I maybe could make a case for an interference by the Batter-runner interfering with the pitcher fielding the ball because of her awkward positioning after bunting the ball. If the umpire would have called Interference there, I wouldn't have a problem with it. 4. Good job by the HPU to talk to the coach who had the question about a potential rule violation, he conferenced with his partner as they should and came to a conclusion that they didn't see anything that should cause a change in the call on the field. My guess was that the coach only asked about the batter being completely out of the box when making contact. Well done umpires, and well done coach for asking, and then not throwing a fit because he didn't get the call he wanted. This looks like 8-10U age range for girls fast-pitch. Lets remember that and have some fun.
If either foot is completely out of the box on the ground when the bat makes contact with the ball she should be out. We don't need both feet out of the box.
i love when parents complain about things they know nothing about. Batters front foot appeared to me to still be on the chalk foot needs to be completely out of the box for it to be an out. Base path is the path the runner opts to run as long as there is no interference with the play now if the umpire felt this was interference so be it I didn't .
I dunno about worst call ever. Any portion of the batter's foot touching the chalk and the batter is still considered "in the box". It did look like her foot was outside the box, but just barely. Rather than say "worst call ever", I'd be more likely to say she might have gotten away with one.
@@lukelukawesky135 Incorrect. The rule says you may not have either foot on the ground outside the box when making contact. Right foot is in the air. Left foot is very close-but clearly not an obvious violation of the batters box rule.
@@alanhess9306 That may be true, I am not fully versed in youth softball rules, but she most definitely interfered with the pitcher fielding the ball as she purposely ran straight into the pitcher's path to the ball.
@@furiogiunta7886 So does softball. But the runner is never required to be in the running lane. A runner is out when she is not in the lane and interferes with the play, otherwise she can run wherever she wishes. There is no baseline the runner needs to be in. You should learn the difference between the baseline and the runner's base path. You don't know wtf you are talking about.
if you stop the video when the ball hits her bat, her right foot is in the box(in the air) and the left foot looks like it could be touching the chalk, which makes it legal. It looks strange, but nothing illegal. And she can establish her base path anywhere she wants
Never mind the base path she was completely out of the batters box when she hit the ball, that is an out. This ump is blind or uneducated in the rules.
Steps completely out of batters box, interferes with pitcher trying to field ball, way out of the baselines (it's like she's running from 3rd to 1st). Come on man. You're trying to teach the game, not let it go because they're little girls. They can handle it bruh. Rules are rules. Call it out. Your lunch will be ready when the game is over.
There is no "baseline" the runner needs to be in. There is nothing illegal about where she ran. You need to learn the difference between the runner's base path and the baseline.
Yes. Worst call. An investigation needs to be done. Clearly this non call had ramifications to outcome of that season. I have hired a team of lawyers and filed the proper paperwork to protest this call. We have still yet to hear back for a court date, however, we are confident that we receive one soon. We intend to follow up on many leads, regarding on issue of whether the umpire acted alone, or does this go much deeper into the organization. We also have notified the FBI, DOJ, Homeland Security, and National Guard. We will make this right.
Love it!!
Over a child's baseball game??? Wowza just let them play they are children no need to be going to court because of a little kid baseball game. I have no hope fo rthe next few generations good greif
@@SwagCane I have no hope for you brodie, how are you this oblivious to blatant sarcasm is beyond me
I think the Ump probably made a mistake. I also think that all of the children playing the game will go on to lead a normal life. Except for the ones whose parents are heard berating the ump and especially the person who posted the video. What was the goal exactly?
The children will, yes. But the parents can’t be helped this late in life. I hope they have a fully stocked lineup of umpires ready to go when this one quits. I know our leagues in STL are lucky to have a single ump most of the time. Parents: have a talk with the ump off to the side in between innings or when the game ends. Dont try to show an umpire up in the middle of a game.
It’s Little League people. Little league players and little league officials. They aren’t umpiring MLB for the many reasons stated here. Adulting is hard…
The real crime is her actually making it to first on that play.
Right? She ran like twice the distance because of her weird arc there and still made it
Pitcher was probably scared that she was gonna get hit with the bat😂
I mean, as a fielder you don't expect the batter to be charging at you, blocking the ball, nearly running into the pitching cicle. So yeah, I can see why she was safe.
True. The pitcher could have tagged her out.
I was an NCAA Umpire for almost 20 years. This here was a kids game and consideration must be given to the age of these very young players. Let me say this. The batter was clearly out of the batter's box when making contact with the pitch....resulting in the batter to be called out and runners returned to their bases at the moment of the pitch. What's important here is that an Umpire, base or plate know the rules and many other aspects of being the 3rd team on the field. Go to school. There are many schools to learn not only the mechanics of being an Umpire but also the rules of the level of play that you are expected to know. Yes, it was a terrible call but only because the officials have not been trained. On, the other hand...thank you for your volunteer work, the kids need you.
Wow, a bad call matters so little. What does matter is how you treat the umpire in front of your kids. Awful.
All parents should be banned from kids sports.
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The ump was afraid she'd charge him like George Brett if he called her out.
I coached baseball and softball and how the umpire could not have called her out for being out of the box is beyond me. She couldn’t stop to she just about reached the pitchers mound.WOW WTF
While the batter was clearly outside the batters box when contact was made, it is hardly the worst call ever.
Thats not the rules of baseball though
I wouldn’t even say clearly. I slowed down the video and her right foot was still in the box (though the video skips a bit and the foot maybe slightly off the ground) at the time of contact and rules are that only one foot needs to be inside the box at time of contact.
So while I won’t say definitively she was in the box, it’s definitely not “clearly outside the batted box”.
I thought the argument was going to be how many steps she took toward the pitchers mound after contact as being out of the baseline and possible interference.
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@@elmorekrouse4250 your comment is the worst comment ever.
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First time I've seen someone lay down a bunt and charge the mound.
This is actually a great training video for the "basepath" rule. You gotta love little league...
Absolutely.
This simple explanation of "Base Path" is this: "No base path exists UNTIL a defensive player is in possession of the ball ready to make a tag". The runner may run anywhere they wish up until that time, and once that criteria is met the base path is then a straight line from where the runner is to the base, with the allowance of a 3 foot deviation either side of that line. If the runner turns around to run to another base, the base path is now established between the runner and the new base. The period of time where the ball is in transit between defensive players, no "base path" exists.
Idk where you are getting this from but you are wrong @@smohl1971
Batter was out the moment contact was made with the ball with the bat while being outside the batters box!
Left foot is completely out of the box when contact is made. Ruling: OUT.
Yeah, she stepped out of the box so much she almost ran up to the mount 😂 it was a fair call.
@@cipher1167 I can see the chalk move next to her left heel. So, not 'obviously' out of the box.
There are a few things here that seem to be misunderstood. Please look up the rules before commenting.
1st ruling that needed to happen is making contact with a foot outside the batters box. That is a tough one to see from behind the plate and much easier on this video.
2nd ruling is the ball touched the bat. The bat did not touch the ball.
3rd ruling is how the batter/runner hindered the initial play on the batted ball. Hindered, confused....... What do you think we have there?
4th ruling. Base line. Base path. Running lane. None of these come into play here by rule.
Without knowing the rule set these kids are playing under, I can't quote the rule number.
It was absolutely a hinderance because she had to contend with the batter charging the mound, which denied the pitcher a fair chance to initially move towards the ball.
I hope jeffery gets the attention he is seeking with his silly post.
@@vinceedwards575 You hurt my feeling. As an umpire, I only have one feeling left and that's hunger. I'm going to go eat a sandwich now.
Well put. Did appear the left foot was out of the box but that's a call missed a lot unless it's really obvious. It's also pretty debatable whether or not the batter runner hindered the pitcher fielding the ball. The batter runner was out of the running lane but since F4 caught the throw at 1B there's no interference. The umpire may have missed the batter being out of the box but I don't see anything aggregious on that play.
Maybe the fix was on and the umpire had money on the game. We need the feds to get involved here. See how stupid this all sounds . That’s the way parents sound in a little league game. If you want to teach the kids the game you call time out , explain the rules to them and just play. You win, you lose they’ll figure the rest out.😊
Moms screaming out of the basepath makes my skin crawl. For god sake, look up the rule. This play and every other one you embarrass yourself during. There is no basepath! Once there is a play on you, then you have to run directly to the base in front or behind you. You can round first base and go past the right fielder until there is a play on you.
@@stephenjohnson9632 The rule you cited has absolutely nothing to do with the runner's base path. It is you who should pick up a rule book.
She was out of the box and committed interference.
So many people do not understand the rules of baseball including @curran's who posted and created this topic. The only violation here is maybe her making contact outside the box. The only running lane occurs if there is interference. This is why Umps are quitting at record pace, parents who think they know rules and berate Umps who, for the most part, do know the rules.
Spot on. If those that complained and stop this video at the :01 mark, they see that contact was made by the batter with her left foot out of the box and her right foot off the ground with continuation to outside the batter's box.
Shes practically on the pitchers mound when contact was made, Stevie Wonder could have seen that.
She was way out of the box on that bunt
Both feet looked out of the box on contact. Also, perfectly executed coverage of the bag by second baseman.
Forget about the box, they're out for leaving the base path. As a pitcher, I would have made contact with the runner and it SHOULD be called runners interference.
@@ryant115 There is no base path the runner needs to be in. There is nothing illegal about where she ran.
@@alanhess9306 Until they make contact with another player...hence the later part of my comment.
In any case, she was outside the box when she made contact with the ball.
@@ryant115 True, if the runner impedes the fielder, we should have interference. Just saying the batter-runner may run wherever she wishes. There is no base path until a tag is attempted.
Not true @@alanhess9306
How did you get hurt Mary? The girl I pitched to ran out of the box and hit me with the bat! :)
the umpires working this game are pretty obviously poorly trained and inexperienced, afraid to make a call because they just don't know the rules well; they probably realize everything they saw was wrong, but they don't know what rules apply nor how to apply them so they just let it all stand.
the batter should've been out for at least 3 infractions; I get that some of them can be tough to see for certain, but they have to had enough enough to call at least one of these: illegally batted ball because of a foot on the ground outside the box when the ball was hit, interference by batter-runner being touched by her own fair batted ball out of the box, and interference by the batter-runner by hindering F1's ability to field the batted ball. no, out of the base line or base path was not one of them
Dave, I always value your comments but I have to disagree with you. 1. You say she shouldve been called out on her foot out of the box. If you stop the video at the moment of bat/ball contact, right foot still in the box(in the air) and left foot looks like the heel is nicking the line, which is considered in the box still. 2. I cant tell if the ball hit the runner or the bat on the ground once it was hit. If I'm not sure, Im not calling anything. Its legal if it def hit the bat which was motionless in softball. 3. I see no batter-runner interference on the throw. She was already across the bag when the 1st baseman caught the ball..........and yes, she caught the ball, so where would you call interference? But, in real time, I wouldve called out of the box just because it looked so weird she HAD to be out lol
@@mptr1783first, I will acknowledge I was being a little harsh on the umpires here; I usually try to keep my comments confined to the rules and the correct call, and refrain from crapping on the umpires. sometimes however I let slip my baser instincts as I did here; I'm trying to point out the on-field value of strong rules knowledge but didn't do it the right way. regarding your points:
1. I've got the left foot clearly out of the box, the only reason it looks close is because her heel is up off the ground and the camera angle. we may just disagree on what we see in the video, that's fine.
2. I'm seeing the ball very likely hit the batter's right hand or hip (see how the shadows merge), but you're right it's hard to be sure
3. the interference I'm talking about is BR being in the way of F1's initial fielding of the batted ball, she can't charge the ball and field it quickly because BR is running right at F1. I'm not talking about any runner's lane sort of interference (does softball even have a runner's lane?) nor any interference with F3 receiving the throw
The pitcher had no choice but to pull up or be run over by the batter should she not veer off to first in time. They were very close to each other when this occurred.
@@steeloned I didnt see the pitcher pullup, but again, I would have no problem with an out being called on multilple possible infractions ....I love outs
Left foot outside the batter's box at contact. Clearly interfered with the pitcher fielding the ball. Take your pick. Out!
Should be out for bunting out of the box and for running so far out of baseline
Yeah she was way out of the baseline almost ran to pitchers mound.
the baseline is made by the RUNNER ... NOT by chaulk on the ground
And the batter interfered with the pitchers attempt to field the ball. Just a total miss. Blown call.
Every call is worst call ever. Out of baseline person needs to read a rule book. Batter did seem to hit ball after foot contact ground outside of box.
That girl should be out step out of batter box when bunted the ball
Should be out to for running so far out of the baseline
She made contact with the ball outside of the batters box. Should have been called out immediately, thereby negating any basepath violation argument.
You realize that Little Leagues don't always have the same rules as the MLB, right? We don't know what this (clearly local and low-key) league's rules are, or how strictly they're enforced. In fact, I'm not sure we know what state this game was played in (if it was even played in America, which I'm sure it was, but nothing in the video names the state or city).
He wasn’t trained by Angel Hernandez
Just a little outside (the baseline)
Oh my goodness, you are right!!! This is the worst call ever😮 get a grip, so he missed the girl being out of the box, it probably didn't have an impact on this little league, means nothing to anyone but the parents game. Grow up!! 😢😢😢
both feet out of the batters box at the point of contact AND she ran half way to the mound. Should be out for 2 infractions
Bro forgot where first was
Lot's of comments from people who NEVER volunteer.
Kids are like 12, who cares. They don't need to be hearing that chirping at the umps
Just because something looks weird (especially at this young age), doesn’t mean anything illegal occurred.
Definitely NOT the worst call ever. Might even be a very good call (or no-call).
Completely Agree MwD676!!! People do not understand that the runner creates their basepath. Hard to tell if her entire foot was outside the box at the point of contact. IMO opinion the batter runner does hinder the pitcher’s ability to make a play.
Batter was out of the box, interfering with a defense of player and out of the running lane. Thay will hire anyone to umpire.
Batters left foot was just out of the box but that's easily missed. The pitcher came foward to get the ball and I didn't see her even hesitate so no interference there. Running out of the running lane only matters if it interferes with the throw being caught at 1B. Since F4 caught the throw at 1B there was no interference.
Including you.
@@mattmoehring8021 was that you in the video?
She's out cuz
Like it or not good call
Runner establishes the baseline. That’s no problem here.
All that matters is if she’s in the batters box at moment of contact. Her right foot is in the box. Her left foot is on the line.
Given that these lines are clearly just free-handed by a volunteer, and it looks like a 10U game, it’s pretty brutal to call a kid out for bunting with a foot on the line if the batter box.
Running a great big circle to first is perfectly fine as long as you don’t hinder the defense or do it to avoid a tag.
She did hinder the pitcher's advance to the ball and should be out.
Rule 6.05(j) The batter is out when in running the last half of the distance to first base, while the ball is being fielded to first base, the batter runs outside (to the right of) the three foot line, or inside (to the left of) the foul line, and in the umpire’s judgment in so doing interferes with the fielder taking the throw at first base; except that the batter-runner may run outside (to the right of) the three foot line or inside (to the left of) the foul line the to avoid the fielder attempting to field a batted ball. APPROVED RULING: The lines marking the three foot lane are part of the lane and the batter-runner is required to have both feet within the three foot lane or on the lines marking the lane.
100% agree with your assessment
@@stephenjohnson9632 The rule you quote is irrelevant here.
@franflanagan U-10 softball more difficult to umpire than a college softball game:) ANYTHING can happen and most of the parents think/act like that know more about the rules than the umpires. Also...could have had possible obstruction by the 1B:) I totally respect the coach when he asked the umpire and did not have the call reversed.
Good no-call - I don't see anything wrong with this. Does it look awkward? Yes, but are there any violations? not any that I would have called.
1. Does the batter make contact with both feet completely outside the batters box? I don't see it,
and especially upon live-ball review by an umpire behind the plate, I don't see anything obvious.
2. Does the batter-runner hit the ball with the bat in fair territory? - No, the batter drops the bat,
and the ball then touches the bat - very different than the batter reaching out with the bat still
in hand and touching a fair ball. Again, no violation, live ball.
3. Does the batter-runner interfere with the defense making a play at first because of her position outside the runner's lane.
Again, no - while she did take a very awkward path to 1st base, I don't see any hinderance or
interference on the play.
Now - I maybe could make a case for an interference by the Batter-runner interfering with the pitcher fielding the ball because of her awkward positioning after bunting the ball. If the umpire would have
called Interference there, I wouldn't have a problem with it.
4. Good job by the HPU to talk to the coach who had the question about a potential rule violation, he conferenced with his partner as they should
and came to a conclusion that they didn't see anything that should cause a change in the call on the field. My guess was that the coach only asked
about the batter being completely out of the box when making contact.
Well done umpires, and well done coach for asking, and then not throwing a fit because he didn't get the call he wanted.
This looks like 8-10U age range for girls fast-pitch. Lets remember that and have some fun.
totally agree........and there was no interference with the pitcher IMO
If either foot is completely out of the box on the ground when the bat makes contact with the ball she should be out. We don't need both feet out of the box.
i love when parents complain about things they know nothing about. Batters front foot appeared to me to still be on the chalk foot needs to be completely out of the box for it to be an out. Base path is the path the runner opts to run as long as there is no interference with the play now if the umpire felt this was interference so be it I didn't .
Exactly
I dunno about worst call ever. Any portion of the batter's foot touching the chalk and the batter is still considered "in the box". It did look like her foot was outside the box, but just barely. Rather than say "worst call ever", I'd be more likely to say she might have gotten away with one.
How do you make this up in your mind? Have to have both feet in the box. Batter was in violation and should have been out.
@@lukelukawesky135
Incorrect. The rule says you may not have either foot on the ground outside the box when making contact. Right foot is in the air. Left foot is very close-but clearly not an obvious violation of the batters box rule.
@@lukelukawesky135That’s not true
imagine trying to shame an umpire in a childs game that has zero significance over any of these kids future in any way whatsoever
It is about teaching the kids the game, which the umpires completely failed to do in this instance.
@@stephenjohnson9632not at this age, absolutely not. It's about having fun doing something as a kid
@@georgehunda649 These children are plenty old enough to learn the correct way to play the game. Stop coddling.
@@stephenjohnson9632 doesn't excuse parents acting like high schoolers teaching their kids to act like morons
@@georgehunda649 Never said it did.
She should be out for hitting the pitch out of the batter's box and for being 3 feet out of the baseline. Ump missed two easy calls.
There is no "baseline" the runner needs to be in. There is nothing illegal about where she ran.
@@alanhess9306 That may be true, I am not fully versed in youth softball rules, but she most definitely interfered with the pitcher fielding the ball as she purposely ran straight into the pitcher's path to the ball.
@@furiogiunta7886 It's the same rule in all baseball and softball. I agree you could call interference for impeding the pitcher.
@@alanhess9306 Nope, baseball has a runner's box on the first baseline.
@@furiogiunta7886 So does softball. But the runner is never required to be in the running lane. A runner is out when she is not in the lane and interferes with the play, otherwise she can run wherever she wishes.
There is no baseline the runner needs to be in. You should learn the difference between the baseline and the runner's base path. You don't know wtf you are talking about.
the ball hit the bat in fair territory! that's an out! umps missed that too, besides out of batter's box when contact made
wrong..........bat was on the ground and not moving, so even if the ball did hit it(which you cant really tell) it still would be legal
It’s an out if the bat hits the ball a second time. The ball hitting the bat is nothing.
Incorrect it’s still a live ball.
You’re quite wrong. That’s not an out.
If they were pro umpires, they wouldn’t be doing a minor league Little League game. Who really cares if they made a bad call or not?
Who cares !!!!? This is not the worst call ever. No one EVER stopped anyone from being a rec ball umpire . Grow up and stop posting "gotcha" videos.
Not only out of the batter's box, but ran outside the running lane and between the ball and the pitcher.
Ump thinkin bout that "BISCUITS n GRAVY" plate coming....
Yeah, so you can't bunt the ball as it leaves the pitchers hand - um
if you stop the video when the ball hits her bat, her right foot is in the box(in the air) and the left foot looks like it could be touching the chalk, which makes it legal. It looks strange, but nothing illegal. And she can establish her base path anywhere she wants
@@mptr1783 I think her foot was completely out of the box but you are correct about the base path.
Never mind the base path she was completely out of the batters box when she hit the ball, that is an out. This ump is blind or uneducated in the rules.
Well when you pay money to be on a team and then you get shit umps. Mind you they are paid, why wouldn’t you be upset at a horrible call like that?!
Two fouls by the batter in one play and the Ump missed both. Keep the 13% out of organized ball. They don't have the intellect.
Three black managers (Cito Gaston, Dusty Baker and Dave Roberts) have won at least one World Series. How many world series have you won, sir?
Steps completely out of batters box, interferes with pitcher trying to field ball, way out of the baselines (it's like she's running from 3rd to 1st). Come on man. You're trying to teach the game, not let it go because they're little girls. They can handle it bruh. Rules are rules. Call it out. Your lunch will be ready when the game is over.
There is no "baseline" the runner needs to be in. There is nothing illegal about where she ran. You need to learn the difference between the runner's base path and the baseline.