The Woman Who Nearly Destroyed The Monarchy

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  • čas přidán 25. 01. 2024
  • Edward VIII’s marriage to Wallis Simpson is something straight out of a romance novel, but Simpson wasn’t the future king’s only famous mistress. That (extremely) dubious honor also goes to Thelma Furness, the aunt of the infamous Gloria Vanderbilt. The craziest part? Furness’s life is just as wild, if not wilder, than the lives of the famous figures around her.
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  • @afquan9211
    @afquan9211 Před 3 měsíci +51

    Thanks for a really great video! Old time sirens like the two Morgan sisters, or showgirl Peggy Hopkins Joyce, are so fun. Really enjoyed this!

    • @Factinate
      @Factinate  Před 3 měsíci +8

      Thanks for the love!

    • @biancabruzzone
      @biancabruzzone Před 3 měsíci

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    • @user-pk8fs6dj8e
      @user-pk8fs6dj8e Před 2 měsíci +2

      Brilliant content, lovely voice..Scottish?
      No money this month.. hope there's some next month...

    • @nannyplum0194
      @nannyplum0194 Před 2 měsíci +1

      Lovely voice reminds me of Neil Oliver .... I could listen to him reciting a phone book 😅

    • @barbarachesterman1093
      @barbarachesterman1093 Před 2 měsíci

      😊​@@Factinate

  • @marianneb.7112
    @marianneb.7112 Před 4 měsíci +483

    What a sad story. I do love how 11-year-old Thelma got her sister and herself onto the ship to be with their father, though. That was epic.

    • @exaudi33
      @exaudi33 Před 4 měsíci +38

      Heroic.

    • @user-fq8rs7rz3i
      @user-fq8rs7rz3i Před 4 měsíci +50

      Thank goodness. What an horrible mother.

    • @afquan9211
      @afquan9211 Před 3 měsíci +14

      Thelma came off as the stronger of the twins. She got a small scar from defying her mother; as a girl, Thelma secretly roller-skated. But Gloria (originally named Mercedes), also could show mettle. When their mother found out that the twins finagled their way onto the ship, Gloria pointed out, what if something happened to the ship and she and Thelma would be left as orphans? That did it. From then on, their mother decided it was better that the girls also come along.

    • @helenlesley5456
      @helenlesley5456 Před 3 měsíci

      Why are they / you ect ect ect playing old clips which indicate nothing
      M
      hi

    • @thissunchild
      @thissunchild Před 3 měsíci +1

      ​@@helenlesley5456it's called 'etc' - et cetera

  • @pamcornelius9122
    @pamcornelius9122 Před 4 měsíci +352

    Great story! One note: Thelma didn’t leave Edward’s side to vacation with her sister in California for over a month in 1934. She went to NYC to support her twin sister Gloria Morgan Vanderbilt during her bitter custody trial for her ten year old daughter Gloria.

  • @mariecarton8611
    @mariecarton8611 Před 4 měsíci +165

    The emotional abuse made her dependant on her abuser. Very sad for her. RIP.

  • @swlabr123
    @swlabr123 Před 4 měsíci +188

    My husband's stepmother was the child of estate caretakers on Long Island, and in the 30s, Thelma and her sister rented one of the nearby places. She spent the summer with Thelma's son playing with her and the other children in the neighboring estates. It was either during the time that the custody case was going on or after.

    • @voyaristika5673
      @voyaristika5673 Před 4 měsíci +46

      I love these personal little tidbits as part of the story. Thanks!

  • @its_Emily384
    @its_Emily384 Před 4 měsíci +136

    Thelma’s mother was a monster 🤬

  • @weaviejeebies
    @weaviejeebies Před 4 měsíci +121

    I had no idea Thelma's mother was such a terrible person. The thing with the birds was sadistic. No wonder Gloria had trouble in her marriage leading to the custody dispute and younger Gloria had such a hard time with mental health. A sociopathic parent and grandparent doesn't just cause emotional trauma, they pass on genetic tendencies for emotional dysregulation that can be incredibly shameful for a person unaware of why they think and feel such things.

    • @afquan9211
      @afquan9211 Před 3 měsíci +11

      Laura Fitzpatrick was the daughter of a Union Army general who married a Chilean aristocrat. Her daughter, Gloria Morgan, theorized that the combination somehow didn't "fuse" into an emotionally stable personality. The mother was very volatile and overpowering. The story about the baby pigeons was that Laura believed they would bring bad luck to the household. After the baby pigeons were cooked, the butler Fernand, brought in the dinner plates with red eyes. He too, had cried over their being killed.

    • @weaviejeebies
      @weaviejeebies Před 3 měsíci +12

      @afquan9211 sounds like generational trauma. Good heavens, that family may have had money, but they were pitiably poor in love.

    • @melliecrann-gaoth4789
      @melliecrann-gaoth4789 Před 3 měsíci

      Child abuse in the elite.

    • @novelist99
      @novelist99 Před 3 měsíci +2

      ​@@weaviejeebies Genetics was at work here--not trauma.

    • @weaviejeebies
      @weaviejeebies Před 3 měsíci +12

      @novelist99 that's what I meant, I should've been more clear. It's not just the crappy parenting and the wounded souls that the children suffer. It's the genes that predispose a person to have unstable emotions and imbalanced neurological function. (My dad's a sociopath. Everything remotely emotional either seems to make me want to rage out or cry myself to sleep. My mood is relentlessly changeable. Bring happy is like being high on drugs. Being stressed out is being on the edge of a cliff. I used to think everyone had feelings like that, but no, mine are super intense and all over the place. I don't trust anyone, I have very little patience, I've got terrible ADHD.) It's not just from the abuse he doled out. I've had to get comfortable with the fact that my system is wired funny because 1/2 of my chromosomes came from a complete psycho. During the era we're talking about, they had no idea about any of this. At least I have the minimal comfort of knowing why I'm messed up.

  • @carolthomas8528
    @carolthomas8528 Před 3 měsíci +73

    As a British woman I’d say we all gained - in the form of Elizabeth II .

    • @MinkaSchlossberger4ever
      @MinkaSchlossberger4ever Před měsícem +3

      I am German, but I say Amen to this !!!

    • @minekara6407
      @minekara6407 Před měsícem +2

      Not sure about her off spring

    • @paulwild3676
      @paulwild3676 Před měsícem +6

      He had no children, so she would have been Queen when he died, as his eldest niece. Although she would have not been Queen for 70 years.

    • @mariaevans5793
      @mariaevans5793 Před měsícem

      Well said !!!!😊🇬🇧

  • @aprilsky8474
    @aprilsky8474 Před 4 měsíci +233

    Sad story for Thelma. Horrid, cruel, narcissistic mother

    • @goudagirl6095
      @goudagirl6095 Před 4 měsíci +25

      Mental instability can be rampant in those elites.

    • @aprilsky8474
      @aprilsky8474 Před 4 měsíci +16

      @@goudagirl6095 Maybe so, still horrible experience for her

    • @debbiesims138
      @debbiesims138 Před 4 měsíci +16

      The mother also testified against Thelma's twin during her custody fight for Little Gloria.

    • @catherinemerrill5511
      @catherinemerrill5511 Před 4 měsíci +16

      I saw hardly anyone who was not horrid, cruel, and narcissistic in this story. Doesn't anyone actually love and respect each 0ther in that set?😢

    • @catherinemerrill5511
      @catherinemerrill5511 Před 4 měsíci +12

      ​@@goudagirl6095that's why I do not use the term "elite" unless the people are genuinely great people.

  • @maryoleary5044
    @maryoleary5044 Před 4 měsíci +185

    You can see the real, constant sadness in this woman's face.

    • @marylouleeman591
      @marylouleeman591 Před 4 měsíci +30

      When a mom treats her daughter like that, it usually leaves scars for life.

    • @user-on1oe2ds4i
      @user-on1oe2ds4i Před 4 měsíci +14

      A submissive and his dominant mistress.

    • @afquan9211
      @afquan9211 Před 3 měsíci +6

      I think many of the photos were of the identical twin, Gloria, who was the one who came off more as a lost, uncertain soul. Wistful. Thelma usually came off as more assertive and crisp.
      In some photos, if you look at the jewelry, you can tell who is who. After meeting Viscount Furness, Thelma got a double strand of black pearls which were the size of plover's eggs, according to her niece. The senior Gloria, meanwhile, had a favorite bracelet of open, rectangular links.

    • @GradKat
      @GradKat Před 3 měsíci +2

      People see what they want to see in photos.

  • @afquan9211
    @afquan9211 Před 3 měsíci +27

    The teddy bear that Thelma kept, was explained in her autobiography with her twin sister, Gloria. In the book, Double Exposure, Thelma said that she'd be late to meet the Prince and realized he'd be annoyed. While shopping at Harrods, Thelma lost track of time. On a sales table, were miniature teddy bears. As a peace offering, she bought a pink pair, and a green pair. She gave one pair to Edward, who was charmed. He proposed that they each swap a bear, so each person would always have something from the other person.

  • @richardshiggins704
    @richardshiggins704 Před 4 měsíci +265

    Fascinating . All that shines is not gold as the saying goes . Well narrated . Edward VIII was a total waster and the ruination of many lives .

    • @kathleendobens6648
      @kathleendobens6648 Před 4 měsíci +1

      He liked hilter and visited him that tells you everything about the history of the "royal family"
      All antichrists except for princess diana and her son harry and his wife. They got out of there because that family was ruthless. They were smart to get away. Not megans fault shes was being discriminated against because truly they were worried about their r...being tainted with megans children.

    • @campervannie5948
      @campervannie5948 Před 4 měsíci +17

      Especially his own.

    • @user-fq8rs7rz3i
      @user-fq8rs7rz3i Před 4 měsíci +37

      He didn’t ruin the monarchy, but he would’ve if he’d remained king. Poor Wallis got more than she bargained for though.

    • @joyceroy2355
      @joyceroy2355 Před 4 měsíci

      @@user-fq8rs7rz3i So very true, all that glitters is not gold. The story makes me wonder how King Charles 111 will handle the Harry crisis. I find it disconcerting that H & M seem to be embarking on wooing the commonwealth countries.

    • @saraswatkin9226
      @saraswatkin9226 Před 4 měsíci +17

      ​@@campervannie5948Royalty is a controlled corporate structure called the Crown.

  • @gillhoward7975
    @gillhoward7975 Před 4 měsíci +122

    A good narrator. A sad life for Thelma.

  • @jminormedia1025
    @jminormedia1025 Před 4 měsíci +69

    The prince gave Wallis Diamonds & Furs. But gave Thelma a TEDDY BEAR. Right there is the Clue for the FUTURE outcome of her relationship with the Prince of Wales 😳🤨🧐😬

  • @clbajones9777
    @clbajones9777 Před 4 měsíci +27

    What a sad life, and her mother was so cruel. Thelma actually pronounced her name as Tell-ma. May she RIP.

    • @pamelacorbett8774
      @pamelacorbett8774 Před 4 měsíci +7

      Well of course, the Spanish pronunciation, nothing sinister in that.

  • @exdus235
    @exdus235 Před 4 měsíci +88

    Love your soft, clear voice. Love the soft, supporting, not overpowering music. 👌
    The storyline was quite sad, especially how her mother 'tortured' those children.

  • @ceilconstante640
    @ceilconstante640 Před 4 měsíci +124

    I really enjoyed the video! Loved the background music. And appreciate the Narrator's clear voice spoken at a relaxing pace. ❤

    • @Factinate
      @Factinate  Před 4 měsíci +19

      Glad you enjoyed it!

    • @exaudi33
      @exaudi33 Před 4 měsíci +15

      @@Factinate Gabriel Fauré at the beginning and end, yes? Just beautiful and gives this much-maligned woman the gravitas she ultimately deserves, starting with that 1915 caper to escape her abusive mother and get on board her father's ocean liner.

    • @OdeInWessex
      @OdeInWessex Před 4 měsíci +23

      Love the Scottish accent, so attractive (I'm English).

    • @exdus235
      @exdus235 Před 4 měsíci +11

      Ditto

    • @catherinemerrill5511
      @catherinemerrill5511 Před 4 měsíci

      My favorite composition, "Cantique de Jean Racine," Came as a joyful surprise. Here it is for you who love the music of angels:
      music.czcams.com/video/ERYOe6KBvGo/video.html&si=AOVtaAaIVQ8VweNP

  • @maureenogorman8740
    @maureenogorman8740 Před 3 měsíci +10

    From Wikipedia: Final years
    edit
    Furness and her sister Gloria wrote a memoir called Double Exposure (1959).[1]
    Furness died in New York City on 29 January 1970. As her niece, Gloria Vanderbilt, recalled, "She dropped dead on Seventy-third and Lexington on her way to see the doctor. In her bag was this miniature teddy bear that the Prince of Wales had given her, years before, when she came to be with my mother at the custody trial, and it was worn down to the nub".[1][23]
    Furness was buried next to her twin sister, Gloria, in Holy Cross Cemetery in Culver City, California.[24]

  • @thareallaura726
    @thareallaura726 Před 4 měsíci +29

    Crazy! Considering Simpson wasn't in love with Edward.

  • @penny1186
    @penny1186 Před 4 měsíci +123

    Wallis and Edward’s relationship looked like a romance novel until you find the letters from after their marriage and it’s turns out Wallis did not love Edward and abused him emotionally while writing to her former husband that she was forced l to marry Edward once he announced that he was abdicating to marry her.

    • @melianna999
      @melianna999 Před 4 měsíci +13

      Cover-up marriage.

    • @superannieoakley4513
      @superannieoakley4513 Před 4 měsíci

      Yes, Wallis Simpson did just abt everything to talk Edward out of leaving. She never wanted to marry him. Just like her others, she was just using Edward's money/title. There's been a couple of really good documentaries on Wallis Simpson. American & English intelligent services had open files on her. There were also "rumors" of her being born a "hermaphrodite". I'm still surprised she actually married him, especially since she didn't love him, but there was also talk of Hilter helping Edward get back on the throne after he won WWII. One thing is for sure, history is never boring!

    • @betsygray9505
      @betsygray9505 Před 4 měsíci

      I guess he must have enjoyed the abuse.. ?

    • @piarademacher4024
      @piarademacher4024 Před 4 měsíci +19

      Looks to me as he blackmailed her to marry him by publicly announcing his abdication.

    • @hawktchr8
      @hawktchr8 Před 4 měsíci +14

      Yes! That documentary is amazing! She was such an opportunist! She stayed for the money and fame. Her letters show how she didn’t love Edward, the poor fool!

  • @esterbengoa6077
    @esterbengoa6077 Před 4 měsíci +184

    The Windsors' relationship was no romantic, just abusing, demeaning and extremely weird.

    • @tinydancer2951
      @tinydancer2951 Před 4 měsíci

      Yes they were both evil. If Edward had been King, England would have been on the wrong side of WWII.

    • @Prieze868
      @Prieze868 Před 4 měsíci +3

      Obviously the king King Edward did love

    • @eileenmulcahy2383
      @eileenmulcahy2383 Před 4 měsíci +25

      History repeats itself, with Harkle's nightmare marriage.

    • @esterbengoa6077
      @esterbengoa6077 Před 4 měsíci +6

      @@eileenmulcahy2383 I wish M could dress better.

    • @dorothysay8327
      @dorothysay8327 Před 4 měsíci +9

      Word. She didn’t even want to marry the boor! we know now from her letters.

  • @DBEdwards
    @DBEdwards Před 4 měsíci +75

    Very touching and sad. So much deception that ruins lives. The heart attack at age 65 was emotionally induced upon a broken hearted lady with a worn teddy in her purse that perhaps consoled her.

    • @angelashort1331
      @angelashort1331 Před 4 měsíci +13

      How weird , soft toys , belonging to a grown man, but then , prince Andrew has a similar fettish , These are generational curses that follow the R family ,They need deliverance , Derek Prince ministries , have great insight as to how the familial spirits influence right back , to 4 generations,just like God's word tells us , Infidelity is a curse , with dire consequences , for generations , God has the answers for this tragedy ,in His word , I write of this because infidelity has come through my husband's family line , ONLY prayer and deliverance has broken the curse, Curses are real , ❤

    • @oliveoil7642
      @oliveoil7642 Před 4 měsíci +6

      Generational Trauma that has not been healed

    • @luv2travel2000
      @luv2travel2000 Před 3 měsíci +2

      ​@@angelashort1331Well said. The teachings and seminars by Derek Prince are excellent. Today deliverance is taught and done by people like Isaiah Saldivar.

  • @heidibee501
    @heidibee501 Před 4 měsíci +197

    It just always comes home to me how money and beauty guarantee nothing. In my humble opinion the Prince chose the wrong woman.

    • @elizabethbrauer1118
      @elizabethbrauer1118 Před 4 měsíci +7

      So Edward (aka David) should have stayed with Thelma, and abdicated for her?! Then they would both be happy. It's an alternate reality...

    • @christineewing3492
      @christineewing3492 Před 4 měsíci +43

      Although, maybe Thelma dodges a bullet.

    • @heidibee501
      @heidibee501 Před 4 měsíci +15

      @@christineewing3492 Agreed.

    • @jenjen.rutherford8559
      @jenjen.rutherford8559 Před 4 měsíci

      The prince was no catch, he was a selfish man child and a nazi.

    • @ruthbeamish8849
      @ruthbeamish8849 Před 4 měsíci +63

      The UK dodged a bullet!! Wallis was the sacrificial lamb. That appalling little man, Edward, would have been an unmitigated disaster!!!

  • @glendaeden2501
    @glendaeden2501 Před 4 měsíci +184

    The true irony as we now know is that Wallis did not really want to marry the Duke of Windsor but she was forced to maintain the fiction of the “romance of the century “.

    • @user-fq8rs7rz3i
      @user-fq8rs7rz3i Před 4 měsíci +44

      Thelma had a lucky escape from Edward. Poor old Wallis didn’t. I hope Thelma had some happy years at least. But what happened to her son?

    • @kerinsian8844
      @kerinsian8844 Před 4 měsíci +41

      Apparently she did try to leave him, but he was a clingy and manipulative pos, threatening to kill himself if she left. At that time, and him being who he was, that threat frightened her horribly and it worked to keep her with him. If she did indeed treat him as badly as she was accused of I can't say I blame her, she probably despised him and felt very resentful.

    • @tinydancer2951
      @tinydancer2951 Před 4 měsíci +35

      Wallis was just as horrible as he. Perfectly matched.

    • @suekelley2109
      @suekelley2109 Před 4 měsíci +21

      @@tinydancer2951agree. Both of them selfish narcissists

    • @charlesb7019
      @charlesb7019 Před 4 měsíci +34

      She wanted to marry him alright - and be queen. After he abdicated she wasn’t so keen….

  • @kevinpoole6122
    @kevinpoole6122 Před 4 měsíci +66

    The soundtrack-Faure’s, Cantique de Jean Racine-is exquisite.

    • @jc-qd6be
      @jc-qd6be Před 4 měsíci +1

      thank you

    • @kcindc5539
      @kcindc5539 Před 3 měsíci +3

      It’s my favorite piece to sing

    • @kevinpoole6122
      @kevinpoole6122 Před 3 měsíci +2

      @@kcindc5539 Sang it my freshman year in college as a companion piece to his Requiem-same harmonic vocabulary in miniature!

    • @jc-qd6be
      @jc-qd6be Před 3 měsíci +1

      @@kcindc5539 it's absolutly beautiful.

    • @kcindc5539
      @kcindc5539 Před 3 měsíci +2

      @@kevinpoole6122 exactly! Which is why I love Requiem as well.

  • @sharonpolome3033
    @sharonpolome3033 Před 4 měsíci +34

    Same thing happened to ME, dammit! Trusting women "friends" seems to be a BIG mistake.........and trusting husbands, utter imbecility...........

  • @mariewilcox8589
    @mariewilcox8589 Před 4 měsíci +46

    Extremely well narrated 👍👍

  • @lindahughes2289
    @lindahughes2289 Před 4 měsíci +33

    Thelma was not lucky or too bright, sad for her, she was a looker and could have done a lot better for herself, but who knows what kind of person she really was. RIP LADY

  • @randywatts6969
    @randywatts6969 Před 4 měsíci +32

    She was Anderson Coopers great aunt

  • @janina8559
    @janina8559 Před 4 měsíci +65

    Edward always had affairs with married women to keep his bachelor status. And these women had to keep quiet because they were married. Khan was a known playboy as well. These guys with money and power knew how to play the game! And the women knew what they were in for as well.

    • @BlackStump172
      @BlackStump172 Před 4 měsíci +14

      Charles used to have affairs with married women too .

    • @melianna999
      @melianna999 Před 4 měsíci +5

      In the book - How Gays and Lesbians Shaped Holywood 1910 - 1969 by William J. Mann . Very interesting about"elite"
      having fun in 30' as well.

    • @ej3016
      @ej3016 Před 3 měsíci

      ⁠@@BlackStump172 well we know - one of them even helped destroy his marriage with Diana Princess of Wales - she eventually married him and is now Queen - they are both immature messed up human beings as far as relationships go - hope they truly care for one another as HRH deals with recent cancer diagnosis / treatment

    • @rhondasisco-cleveland2665
      @rhondasisco-cleveland2665 Před 3 měsíci +3

      Some likely did, others it’s hard to say. Sometimes people are absolutely starved for kindness, love, a sense of belonging. With an abusive childhood you are sometimes left vulnerable to more abuse.

    • @Krzyszczynski
      @Krzyszczynski Před 2 měsíci

      He was running two married mistresses while he was married to Diana. However, Diana and Lady Dale Tryon both died young in unexpected accidents, leaving Camilla to take over Diana’s husband, home, title and job. Game, set and match, Camilla.@@BlackStump172

  • @cmtippens9209
    @cmtippens9209 Před 4 měsíci +64

    Prince Aly Khan was briefly married to actress Rita Hayworth.
    It was Rita Hayworth's poster that Andy first put up in his cell in Shawshank Redemption.

  • @JustinCase-lu6qp
    @JustinCase-lu6qp Před 4 měsíci +109

    Wallis' letters were clear that she really did not want to marry Edward and pined for her ex-husband . I don't think she ever loved him.

    • @BlackStump172
      @BlackStump172 Před 4 měsíci +14

      She loved her husband and the loose party life .

    • @afquan9211
      @afquan9211 Před 3 měsíci +11

      Wallis also pined for Herman Rogers. Seems she pined for any man who was sensible and self-reliant, and who was so not like the ex-king. In the 1950s, she had a friendship with Jimmy Donohue, whose mother bankroll some extravagant jewelry and good times.

    • @ehilton96
      @ehilton96 Před 3 měsíci +9

      She didn't want to marry him after she realised he wasnt going to be King and tried to lure her ex back

    • @Alpha-Andromeda
      @Alpha-Andromeda Před 3 měsíci +10

      The letters between Edward and Wallace were also quite revealing, with him threatening to commit suicide when Wallis wanted to leave him, of course, before his abdication.

    • @Alpha-Andromeda
      @Alpha-Andromeda Před 3 měsíci +13

      @@ehilton96no no no. You really need to do your research. Tons of videos here on CZcams which showcase the real nature of that relationship. King Edward used his relationship with Wallis in order to have a reason to abdicate, as he called it because of love. But love had nothing to do with it. He really wanted to abdicate because he did not want the responsibility of being King and everything that that entailed, including working, and no more parties.
      Before he abdicated Wallis said she wanted to stop the relationship, and he did not allow her to do so under threat of committing suicide. There are actual letters that prove this.
      So while I may agree with you that an American twice divorce should have never even been a match for a king, this is the reason why he chose her, because she was the worst, and most unacceptable choice he could find. Wallis thought it would be fun to be the kings mistress and her husband allowed it but when she wanted to stop it, Edward made sure she stayed so that he could have a plausible excuse to abdicate.

  • @Rose-ne6xq
    @Rose-ne6xq Před 3 měsíci +15

    Hello from Texas ❤️ very well told, such a beautifully sad true story. Your voice shows the right measure of compassion and sorrow. My heart breaks for the young lady she once was.

  • @elizabethbrauer1118
    @elizabethbrauer1118 Před 4 měsíci +30

    So maybe the teddy bear was found (and kept) by Gloria Vanderbilt? It's fascinating to think that the teddy bear could still exist.

  • @oliveoil7642
    @oliveoil7642 Před 4 měsíci +26

    Thus began her decent into the truly insane world of Royal life. Wow, that says it all😱

  • @hanaluong2672
    @hanaluong2672 Před 4 měsíci +36

    She should not have been that sad, There was not much in that guy.

  • @mrskenscott9643
    @mrskenscott9643 Před 4 měsíci +67

    Lizzie Borden's father killed Lizzie's pet pigeons too.
    It's part of the theory that made Lizzie snap.

    • @ccasey1904
      @ccasey1904 Před 4 měsíci +12

      @mrskenscott9643: Personally, I think Lizzie Borden’s father had alot of screws loose, if not outright dementia.

    • @Magamomma22245
      @Magamomma22245 Před 4 měsíci +6

      DNA is strong.

    • @nyotauhura7412
      @nyotauhura7412 Před 3 měsíci

      Borden family believed they were being stalked and harassed by neighborhood boys...no evidence was found the kids had done anything. Around the same time a young woman named Bertha Manchester was axed to death by a farm laborer named Jose Correa de Mello who was angry at the Manchester Family had cheated him out of wages. Mr Borden also had hired Jose Correa de Mello and not paid him because of incompetence. Jose Correa de Mello was heard threatening to kill ALL the people he had grudges against. Which is why LIzzie was found not guilty.

  • @Linda98671
    @Linda98671 Před 4 měsíci +30

    She made so many bad choices, and suffered for them.

  • @maryoleary5044
    @maryoleary5044 Před 4 měsíci +49

    Pidgeons are Beautiful, Gentle Little Lives 💞
    Thank-You Thelma and All Gentle and Genuine Humans ❤

  • @Curlyblonde
    @Curlyblonde Před 4 měsíci +54

    Hard to keep track of all the bed hopping done by the Royals. Some cases their honeymoon period was even completed before they resumed their extramarital affairs. All during an era when sexual matters and discussions were repressed by the churches and a strict moral code imposed on the public.

    • @pamelaadam9207
      @pamelaadam9207 Před 4 měsíci +8

      My dad always said about the royals that they shared the bairns out a christmas .. meaning all the bedhopping results were assigned a family then

    • @rosajannisramsay
      @rosajannisramsay Před 4 měsíci +2

      It was happening everywhere, no difference...

    • @annewalden3795
      @annewalden3795 Před měsícem

      It is not just the Royal family who indulge in " bed hopping" and hypocrisy is not a good look.

  • @kalakala10011
    @kalakala10011 Před 4 měsíci +34

    Good video, great pics and well narated. Being abused as a child make it difficult to have healthy relationships later in life. Never heard of her. Ty.

  • @gentillydanny
    @gentillydanny Před 4 měsíci +30

    Well told story in a well done video. The poor woman, to fall in love with a rapscallion like Edward (Oddweird).

  • @golden8972
    @golden8972 Před 4 měsíci +20

    I'll never understand what David ever saw in Wallis.

  • @shabbysuzannah3702
    @shabbysuzannah3702 Před 4 měsíci +30

    Thank you for this. Poor Thelma, such a sad story especially her nasty cruel mother. If you are interested could you do the tale of the Mountbattens?

    • @user-rn4qs9vu7l
      @user-rn4qs9vu7l Před 4 měsíci +4

      Yeah, go for it! I know some stuff about them and it sure ain't pretty!..... 🙃🇬🇧

    • @patriciastrassner4883
      @patriciastrassner4883 Před 4 měsíci +4

      Mommy sounds like a bi-polar and or borderline.

  • @tonibarrone854
    @tonibarrone854 Před 4 měsíci +29

    In my opinion E8 ND WS was not a lov story from a romance book

  • @wuncieadams1352
    @wuncieadams1352 Před 3 měsíci +14

    She was unwise to leave Edward in the care of Wallis Simpson.

  • @earthcat
    @earthcat Před 4 měsíci +56

    King Edward traded DOWN. Imagine dumping someone for a Wallis Simpson 😝

    • @user-xf5br6lv1u
      @user-xf5br6lv1u Před 4 měsíci +5

      It was all sexual things she did to him.

    • @earthcat
      @earthcat Před 4 měsíci

      @@user-xf5br6lv1u Sure, but still...🤢

    • @ginaspurlding8590
      @ginaspurlding8590 Před 3 měsíci

      Actually Wallis married down,hitching up with Edward cost her 3 million inheritance from her uncle plus a lifetime being wed to a family of inbred pedophiles...

    • @olwenrose2780
      @olwenrose2780 Před 3 měsíci +2

      @@user-xf5br6lv1u As Meghan Markle would say "roasting chicken'..

    • @paulinecrabbe7383
      @paulinecrabbe7383 Před 2 měsíci +2

      Charles did the same to the beautiful Diana for an older much less attractive woman

  • @christinehallchrissie
    @christinehallchrissie Před 4 měsíci +14

    Can someone explain? I don't understand the infamous present from Edward was in her bag. It was a Teddy bear and 'revealed a secret' so tragic... it was a Teddy Bear!!!

    • @AM-qp2wx
      @AM-qp2wx Před 4 měsíci +3

      No tragic secret. Just a sentence to pull you in to watch the video. It could be interpreted to mean that
      Thelma carried a torch for him all of her life. Where did the narrator get this info about the bear, anyway......questionable.

  • @SCNYC
    @SCNYC Před 4 měsíci +25

    That was beautifully put together

  • @rach5516
    @rach5516 Před 4 měsíci +34

    By all accounts Wallace did not want to mary Edward. Definitely yot entirely a romantic relationship.

  • @melaniecrispin9447
    @melaniecrispin9447 Před 4 měsíci +69

    Edward VIII, such a weak man

    • @oliveoil7642
      @oliveoil7642 Před 4 měsíci +10

      And very scarred due to his loveless upbringing!

    • @nadyarossi5102
      @nadyarossi5102 Před 3 měsíci

      Weak, dumb as a stump and crippled emotionally by his uninvolved parents & cruel nanny.

  • @user-fq8rs7rz3i
    @user-fq8rs7rz3i Před 4 měsíci +61

    Some mothers control their children through fear and cruelty. I get it.

  • @angelaegan7511
    @angelaegan7511 Před 4 měsíci +26

    Very touching, thank you for the upload 😊

  • @user-gc3lm2nh7b
    @user-gc3lm2nh7b Před 4 měsíci +49

    Just proves that even rich and privileged, can suffer horribly!

    • @kimlersue
      @kimlersue Před 4 měsíci +7

      Living a life of really bad decisions creates a lot of suffering, I think the privileged people make more bad decisions as the wealth affords them more opportunities.

    • @user-gc3lm2nh7b
      @user-gc3lm2nh7b Před 4 měsíci +4

      @@kimlersue We all make bad decisions on our journey through life! Money doesn't come into it!

    • @kimlersue
      @kimlersue Před 4 měsíci +6

      @@user-gc3lm2nh7b Yes. and. no. With money your travels bring you to more places and people. This does expand one's options well over the average person.

  • @kimlee1416
    @kimlee1416 Před 4 měsíci +15

    Thank you for sharing. Was a good video.

  • @helencheadle5285
    @helencheadle5285 Před 4 měsíci +10

    That was a fascinating story, I never knew about Thelma, and what a beautiful young woman she was! It’s sad that her mother was so overbearing and ruling over the lives of the twins, and I was delighted and amazed at Thelma’s cunning at getting them booked on a ship to meet and stay with their father, much to mother’s chagrin!! It feels that all her life Thelma was just looking for love, and it’s sad that she never really found true love, and the nearest she got was then stolen by Wallace’s interception…out of the two Thelma was, to me, the far prettier female, but Edward made his choice. I’m saddened to learn Thelma died the way she did, and the discovery of the little bear Edward had given her, which she had never parted with. Thankyou for such a well told story of a little known pre Wallace lover of Prince Edwards! How things move in certain circles! Without you, I’d never have known of this fascinating lady! So Thankyou so much! 👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻🙋‍♀️

  • @lisaboland9225
    @lisaboland9225 Před 4 měsíci +16

    I love your story telling!

  • @mariacompton1416
    @mariacompton1416 Před 4 měsíci +9

    Very well made video !! loved it.

  • @lesliemonty31
    @lesliemonty31 Před 4 měsíci +6

    Very well done video. Entertaining and informative. I hope to watch more videos like this from you in the future.

  • @michelerees7449
    @michelerees7449 Před 4 měsíci +15

    There is a great book called "That Vanderbilt Woman" you would enjoy about the twins and the later custody battle for GV jr.

  • @caroledrury1411
    @caroledrury1411 Před 4 měsíci +35

    Unfortunately the greatest flaw with this documentary is we don’t know who is who in the photographs

    • @peterfreeman1585
      @peterfreeman1585 Před 4 měsíci +1

      No worries, they were all leeches on society and tarred with the same brush. Chased their own hedonistic lifestyle, satisfying their carnal desires, spending from the public purse or their families ill-gotten gains. Recognise the abdicated king and Wallis Simpson, you don't need to know the others they were selfish, boring, oxygen thieves.

    • @betsygray9505
      @betsygray9505 Před 4 měsíci +4

      Very true ...I agree. I did know Edward and. Wallis though 😂

  • @GrannyLinn
    @GrannyLinn Před 4 měsíci +6

    Great narration, great music at just the right level. Very refreshing. Interesting topic too. Thank you.

  • @angelsolitaire6456
    @angelsolitaire6456 Před 4 měsíci +60

    I find Ms. Thelma Furness very pretty compare to Wallis Simpson. I understand sometimes Love is BLIND, and not looking the innder heart. Until now i don't undestand why Prince Edward picked Wallis really who is very domeniring person and belittle Prince Edward very much.

    • @mirabellaolson6410
      @mirabellaolson6410 Před 4 měsíci

      That's because Wallis was a hermaphrodite. They used to visit a guy who had a gas station with a motor home where he catered to sailors who wanted gay sex and movie stars who were closet cases. Gary Grant, Tyrone Power etc. It became a popular place for orgies down the road. Wallis had friends in the German Reich and they lived "the high life"

    • @exaudi33
      @exaudi33 Před 4 měsíci +27

      Having been raised by abusive nannies, that's what he was into.

    • @kimlersue
      @kimlersue Před 4 měsíci +24

      That's what the foolish prince wanted..and dominatrix! Lucky he was not king..

    • @judycroteau482
      @judycroteau482 Před 4 měsíci +12

      @@kimlersueWell not the king for very long thank god.

    • @saramurphy345
      @saramurphy345 Před 4 měsíci

      The Prince was treated horribly
      By his father- George V . He was into S&M and wore diapers. Wally would beat him with a whip. Rumor has it Wally
      was a He- she...He "loved" being abused by her.....

  • @ColleenLytle-sq8tx
    @ColleenLytle-sq8tx Před 3 měsíci +1

    Thank you, lovely video!

  • @andreainsley2928
    @andreainsley2928 Před 4 měsíci +5

    I really enjoyed your video!

  • @doonewatts7155
    @doonewatts7155 Před 4 měsíci +6

    Fascinating thank you

  • @lisaclark1181
    @lisaclark1181 Před 4 měsíci +37

    Thelma's loss of Edward might very well have been the reason British folks aren't speaking German now. Throw a pebble in the lake and watch the ripples. RIP

  • @voyaristika5673
    @voyaristika5673 Před 4 měsíci +28

    Thank you. I like these straightforward short docs. You do a good job of giving the story in a short time with the pertinent facts. I've read a lot on Wallis, so Thelma figures in there. One thing I never understood is why any woman would ask another woman to " keep her man company" while she was gone. I mean....what? If my friend asked that of me she would scare me! 😮 Maybe that part was built upon just to add some splash to the story.

  • @SandyCheeks63564
    @SandyCheeks63564 Před 4 měsíci +33

    Her mother was Mommy Dearest AND Baby Jane ugh

    • @elainewebster1419
      @elainewebster1419 Před 4 měsíci +2

      Mommies dearest was joan Crawford and baby Jane was bett davis

  • @Swelte
    @Swelte Před 4 měsíci +25

    oh wow loved this one!!!

  • @2brunhilda
    @2brunhilda Před 4 měsíci +11

    I loved this historical story

  • @jinglebell9424
    @jinglebell9424 Před 3 měsíci +1

    Well done, very interesting!!

  • @hunkhk
    @hunkhk Před 4 měsíci +12

    Edward was a traitor and a disgrace to his country let's not forget that

  • @t.m.a.3665
    @t.m.a.3665 Před 4 měsíci +35

    I had no idea Thelma was related to Gloria Vanderbilt! 😮crazy coincidence

    • @JGumaerTesta
      @JGumaerTesta Před 3 měsíci +1

      She's an identical twin.

    • @dolinaj1
      @dolinaj1 Před měsícem

      Non. Simply family connections.

  • @rosebudame
    @rosebudame Před 4 měsíci +12

    Interesting story! The twins looked so much alike.

  • @maryettamoody5079
    @maryettamoody5079 Před 4 měsíci +12

    Terrable story. My mom was a sweetheart. Feel sorry for her

  • @Sushi2735
    @Sushi2735 Před 4 měsíci +26

    There is not one woman I know who has not been dumped and had her heart broken! Beautiful, smart, educated women. We all have! No excuse for going off the deep end. You heal eventually! Not from that Bi-Polar Mother but men, you get over!!!

  • @heatherkeegan689
    @heatherkeegan689 Před 4 měsíci +9

    Another case of the one brother wanting what the other brother has got she looks very much like the Queen mother. His brother's wife.

  • @jewel65
    @jewel65 Před 4 měsíci +87

    Her mom sounds like a narcissist.

  • @janetwatson7966
    @janetwatson7966 Před 4 měsíci +31

    Thelma was beautiful, Wallis was ugly.

    • @annewalden3795
      @annewalden3795 Před 3 měsíci

      Janet I think Wallis was very attractive and was a fascinating woman.

    • @glen7318
      @glen7318 Před 2 měsíci

      she wasnt. She was middling looking and very selfish@@annewalden3795

  • @mariongilligan770
    @mariongilligan770 Před 2 měsíci

    Beautiful story teller. Could listen all night. Sad sad story with no happy endings for anyone involved

  • @brianeduardo1234
    @brianeduardo1234 Před 3 měsíci +4

    When she returned ‘Edward was not himself’ - that’s precisely what he was - they just discard people

  • @filomenadossantos5934
    @filomenadossantos5934 Před 2 měsíci

    Thank you very much....i loved it,,,,

  • @starlenematchett2026
    @starlenematchett2026 Před 3 měsíci

    Wonderfully interesting story and you tell it beautifully. ❤️🇨🇦❤️

  • @JJ33438
    @JJ33438 Před 4 měsíci +64

    Thelma dodged a bullet by not marrying that pansy guy edward!

    • @melianna999
      @melianna999 Před 4 měsíci +6

      Prince gay Edward.

    • @Dhruv_Dogra
      @Dhruv_Dogra Před 4 měsíci

      Oh .... was Edward gay? I know he was a Nazi but not this...

    • @lordeden2732
      @lordeden2732 Před 3 měsíci +3

      Edward was the Fairy on top of the Royal Christmas tree.

    • @glen7318
      @glen7318 Před 2 měsíci

      nonsense. @@lordeden2732

  • @mitzicrowder2186
    @mitzicrowder2186 Před 4 měsíci +10

    Thelma went her sister Gloria Vanderbilt Mother.She Thelma went to court to help her sister not loose custody of little Gloria

  • @user-cj6yw5fu4l
    @user-cj6yw5fu4l Před 4 měsíci +7

    Really interesting story,and sad also ,when it comes to emotions ,it doesn't matter your status,everyone has one experience or another,which has affected them😕

  • @jabbermocky4520
    @jabbermocky4520 Před 4 měsíci +99

    Thelma was prettier than Wallis. I bet Wallis hated her for that.

    • @patscott6365
      @patscott6365 Před 4 měsíci +12

      Both women had the same ultra-slim, androgynous look that Edward favoured. It's known that Edward was bisexual so these flatter chested women appealed to him.

    • @angelaharris6577
      @angelaharris6577 Před 3 měsíci

      Wallis was just plain ugly. Thelma is definitely a much more genteel young lady.

    • @dolinaj1
      @dolinaj1 Před měsícem +1

      Wallis got Edward, not Thelma. Wallis had nothing whatsoever to envy about Thelma - rather the reverse. What an insipid narration!

  • @nnnnnnnnnnn7292
    @nnnnnnnnnnn7292 Před 4 měsíci +12

    This is what a narcissistic mother does to her daughter - she programmes her for a life of self-destruction.
    And she is always successful at that.
    Very few exceptions.

  • @lorainedelaney1753
    @lorainedelaney1753 Před 4 měsíci +5

    My favourite narrator on this channel. Great music, too. Could do with knowing who/when/where the photos are of/were taken.

  • @marieoreilly4334
    @marieoreilly4334 Před 4 měsíci +8

    So interesting great research it's so sad none of the people in the story found happiness and we now knew Edward had a sad life away from his family Prince Harry take note Marie Dublin Ireland 🇮🇪

  • @janebufton1960
    @janebufton1960 Před 3 měsíci +4

    It showed the future King really lived Wallace Simpson, but I don't think the love wad mutual as far Mrs Simpson was concerned.

  • @denisehall5145
    @denisehall5145 Před 3 měsíci

    Thank you for this story and your narration. I would love to know the details of the beautiful choral music in the background.

  • @maryettamoody5079
    @maryettamoody5079 Před 4 měsíci +4

    Sad but great video

  • @karlbroderickmusic
    @karlbroderickmusic Před 4 měsíci +2

    Amazing 👏

  • @saraswatkin9226
    @saraswatkin9226 Před 4 měsíci +9

    Wow, never heard of her before and such a beautiful woman.

    • @peterfreeman1585
      @peterfreeman1585 Před 4 měsíci +1

      She was a soul-less, selfish boor.
      Just like the crowd she mixed, with including Edward, they all used people and threw them out when finished. No respect, no self respect, no purpose in life except chasing their own elusive pleasures. Never knew that the two greatest pleasures are the ones that give personal satisfaction viz,
      1. to achieve something worthwhile or
      3. serve the community.

  • @mariaevans5793
    @mariaevans5793 Před 4 měsíci +18

    Wonderful narrator !!!!!!☺️

  • @ccasey1904
    @ccasey1904 Před 4 měsíci +9

    Wallis was quite “the piece of work”. You reap what you sew.

  • @carolranes91
    @carolranes91 Před 4 měsíci +14

    What is really tragic is that any woman would allow a man to destroy her life! Simply stupid!!!!!! When women realize men get to choose you will stop playing the game. Also if women learn to manipulate men so they choose them who would want such a man. Wake up women! Don’t play the game! Depending on a man’s choice to validate your self or life has to be the dumbest choice you can make. I look over my past life at men I cared about and when I look at their choices and how they turned out I am so thankful they did not choose me I have had a wonderful life and I am so thankful that I made the choices I did make!

    • @nicolataylor6011
      @nicolataylor6011 Před 3 měsíci +3

      I think she was like this because of her emotional abused childhood making her feel abuse is all she deserved..also different times.. hopefully women are more enlightened now and do their own thing

  • @maryettamoody5079
    @maryettamoody5079 Před 4 měsíci +12

    Her mom was an evil bat